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RE: Western Birthrates-How we can restore them
^I stand by your analysis.

Don't debate me.
08-05-2016 11:30 PM
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We can lead by example: find a good woman, marry her, be a patriarch and have plenty of children.

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08-06-2016 01:30 AM
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RE: Western Birthrates-How we can restore them
(08-05-2016 07:48 PM)mostlykelp Wrote:  
(08-05-2016 03:15 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  
(08-04-2016 10:17 PM)mostlykelp Wrote:  We need less children in the world, not more.

What's up with trolls buying gold thinking it's going to offer some cover?

By the way, this is the bullshit propaganda white boomers bought into up through the 70's which resulted in declining birth rates, which led to the massive importation of 3rd world immigrants.

You're an idiot.

Nah, you're an idiot. And continue to use the term troll more liberally, there's no way that term is overused.

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08-06-2016 03:23 AM
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(08-05-2016 07:48 PM)mostlykelp Wrote:  
(08-05-2016 03:15 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  
(08-04-2016 10:17 PM)mostlykelp Wrote:  We need less children in the world, not more.

What's up with trolls buying gold thinking it's going to offer some cover?

By the way, this is the bullshit propaganda white boomers bought into up through the 70's which resulted in declining birth rates, which led to the massive importation of 3rd world immigrants.

You're an idiot.

Nah, you're an idiot. And continue to use the term troll more liberally, there's no way that term is overused.

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08-06-2016 06:27 AM
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Well, let's take a look at the only Western nation that still has a sustainable birth rate. Israeli women average about three kids. What is Israel doing differently?

http://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/2013/0...c-miracle/

http://www.businessinsider.com/israel-ha...lem-2015-9

I sometimes wonder if it's because Israel has military service for everybody. Anyone have any theories?
08-06-2016 11:33 PM
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(08-06-2016 11:33 PM)puckerman Wrote:  Well, let's take a look at the only Western nation that still has a sustainable birth rate. Israeli women average about three kids. What is Israel doing differently?

http://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/2013/0...c-miracle/

http://www.businessinsider.com/israel-ha...lem-2015-9

I sometimes wonder if it's because Israel has military service for everybody. Anyone have any theories?

Strong nationalistic country, encouragement for women to stay home and make babies, and a strong religious undercurrent.

Israel has problems, but making babies isn't one of them.
08-07-2016 01:27 AM
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Oh it would be very easy to restore them, it could be done within a generation at least. Simply by initiating a pro family policy that the government uses to encourage Israeli settlers in the West Bank region would be enough to get started. Large tax incentives and government funding for every child born into a 'nuclear family'. Economic incentives are simple to utilise and have an enormous effect on the population.

Secondly diminish the capabilities of the welfare state, although this will receive a lot of opposition and a lot of moderates wouldn't haven't the heart for it. It would increase the worth and value of working class men and families in general as a form of insurance policy in the future or simply as a way to keep them living comfortably. It is not an insane idea and it will eventually take place anyway, regardless of technological advancements, as the burden of broken families will just keep on surmounting.

Thirdly, reverse the cultural propaganda that insinuates that families are prisons and that fathers are rapists or morons. Right now this is the common narrative, to reject that and to begin ascertaining the opposite opinion would be enough to convince the next generation.
08-07-2016 06:17 AM
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I just though of an ingenious solution:

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08-07-2016 07:22 AM
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(08-05-2016 08:34 AM)churros Wrote:  
(08-05-2016 03:00 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  The only population crisis that is happening is in the 3rd world which produces nothing. America has more than enough food to support itself and a high birth rate.

Population crisis is based on CO2 emissions not people. Average American citizen produces twice as much as a European, so feel free to speculate about Africa, India etc.

Do you deny climate change?

Climate change has nothing to do with man! It is overwhelmingly natural.
08-07-2016 07:59 AM
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Have a five child policy!

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08-07-2016 08:51 AM
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1. Create a government job program, like the civilian conservation corps, called "Uncle Sam's wives" or something like that.
2. Employ women who pass genetic screening (no mutants please) in these jobs an make them 'comfort girls' for men serving in the armed forces
3. Pay bonuses for these comfort girls that get pregnant and give birth
4. Adopt out the children of Uncle Sam's wives to the following families: Evangelical Christians who will adopt anything, Intellectuals that waited way too long to have children, Cucks that always seem to want to adopt black children. If there is a surplus, put them in some in some state sponsored school that trains them to be soldiers from the day they can walk.

While it would work, I'm sure it would eventually backfire with the children being turned into some sort of star wars/storm trooper army used to enslave the general population.

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08-07-2016 10:45 AM
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We need to raise cut immigration and find ways to bring higher paying jobs to America so both parents don't have to work. If middle class wages were higher, women wouldn't be forced into the workplace and it would be easier to have families. As it is now, having a family and allowing the woman to stay home requires alot of sacrifice.
08-07-2016 04:50 PM
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Take away the womens vote.

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08-08-2016 02:10 AM
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The main problem you are going to come across in any instance is that two-income-no-child households are able to out-bid for goods and services two-income-with-child households, who in turn are able to out-bid one-income-with-child households.

One-income-with-child households (ie one parent at home 24/7) will therefore be unable to compete for cars, housing, decent schools and everything else that involves money changing hands. The typical government response to this is predictably banal and useless. They try to create a safety net that ironically drags down the very people it ought to be helping in favour of the truly feckless deadbeats that excel in simply producing more truly feckless deadbeats.

My idea is pretty simple. The primary provider in a household has their taxes reduced by 50 percent for every financial dependant in their care. The kicker is that the spouse can be declared a financial dependant on the proviso that they're not earning an income. This puts traditional families on a more even footing with the sterile career chasers and removes (likely predominantly) mothers from the work force until such time as all the children have left the nest.

Don't bother explaining how you're going to pay for it. Just ram it through and make cuts later. Of course, this is all working under the assumption that our politicians are actually interested in our well-being rather than how much they can bleed us before each of them retires, cuts and runs.
08-08-2016 07:46 AM
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On this subject...


Trump proposes to make all child care costs tax deductible:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...entum.html
08-08-2016 03:59 PM
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You couldn't "ram" it through and make cuts later though because the reduction in tax revenue would be immediate and the benefit wouldn't be till at least a decade later. Plus if you don't state cuts up front how would you know for sure that the cuts wouldn't affect things that would bring us back to square one? Ideas without cuts to balance them are just fantasies.
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All or Nothing has a 6 step plan for reproduction that is already in the works:

Step 1: Start business.
Step 2: Bust ass on making business successful.
Step 3: Once business is making decent money, start cold approaching a bunch of girls.
Step 4: Find decent girl through cold approach and start hooking up raw.
Step 5: ???
Step 6: Become a family man.

This 6 step plan is guaranteed to make sure you have a big and (possibly) happy family.
08-09-2016 01:51 AM
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(08-08-2016 09:20 PM)Repo Wrote:  You couldn't "ram" it through and make cuts later though because the reduction in tax revenue would be immediate and the benefit wouldn't be till at least a decade later. Plus if you don't state cuts up front how would you know for sure that the cuts wouldn't affect things that would bring us back to square one? Ideas without cuts to balance them are just fantasies.

The left has been doing for decades precisely what you're saying can't be done.

This is why cuckservatives fail. Because the left blows out the budget on their freak show marxist initiatives and the right takes 4 to 8 years trying to pull in enough tax to balance the budget. Then the left takes the next 8 years to etc etc etc.

"Ideas without cuts to balance them are just fantasies."

16 trillion dollars in debt with 90 trillion in unfunded liabilities over the next half century. You can choose to have a greater number of traditional families when you hit the debt wall or you can choose for their number to dwindle further.

But let's not pretend that the finances of the EU of the US are salvageable.
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Under that plan, if you have a nonworking wife and a kid your taxes would be reduced by 100%? Even liberals haven't passed anything that would ruin the budget that quickly.
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(08-09-2016 10:08 AM)Repo Wrote:  Under that plan, if you have a nonworking wife and a kid your taxes would be reduced by 100%? Even liberals haven't passed anything that would ruin the budget that quickly.

How much of the tax base is made up of prospective parents?

How much is made up of other taxable income, corporate tax, tarriffs, debt, etc.

Nothing short of drastic measures will pull western birth rates out of their death spiral. "Fifth successful pregnancy and you get a free coffee" is not going to cut it.

So you cut defence. You cut deadbeat welfare. You cut pointless ghetto education. You take on more debt if you have to.

Your alternative is to have a slightly less shitty budget when the economy collapses because your age demographics are an upside-down pyramid padded out with welfare parasite immigrants.
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A huge portion of US tax revenues are from parents/prospective parents. Which is what my point was. Did you think otherwise and attempt to ask a rhetorical question? Or did you just not know before you stated your plan?

Corporate tax revenues are much lower than personal tax revenues, and most conservatives (assuming you are one) already feel businesses are taxed too much.

I'm not disagreeing that we need to find a way to increase birthrates, I just don't think your plan is feasible.
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(08-06-2016 11:33 PM)puckerman Wrote:  Well, let's take a look at the only Western nation that still has a sustainable birth rate. Israeli women average about three kids. What is Israel doing differently?

http://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/2013/0...c-miracle/

http://www.businessinsider.com/israel-ha...lem-2015-9

I sometimes wonder if it's because Israel has military service for everybody. Anyone have any theories?

Recently I looked in a book about an Orthodox Jewish community in New York. They also tend to have many children. The author said that for them, every baby is a victory over Hitler.

But do we need a catastrophe that kills one third of all Americans/whites first? Yes, Nietzsche said "What does not kill me, makes me stronger.", but I still don't wish for it.
08-22-2016 11:43 AM
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