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Mate, i'd love to come to the US! Just it's too rich for my blood. Flights and stuff.
I've been a few times, though. Vegas 2 years back was the most recent. Plus a few other places before that.
I wasn't really into 'game' then, but I can say that the reaction you get from approaching strangers in general when in the US is like night and day compared to the UK!
I don't even think it's the accent (although it likely helps!)
It's like people in the US are trained to be polite to strangers and talk back.
I've noticed this in every city i've been too in the US.
US: me- ''Hi, I'm Jack!''
Her- ''Hi, Jack! I'm Stacey. How are you?''

UK: me- ''Hi, I'm Jack!''
Her- *stares at you with a mixture of confusion/fear/contempt* She'll POSSIBLY say 'hi' back (50/50), but the chances of her
volunteering her name are about 5%

Age of consent is 16 here. She shouldn't have been in the bar, though (drinking age is 18, but i'm pretty sure she was banging one of the bouncers or somthing)

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(10-13-2018 03:44 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  I don't even think it's the accent (although it likely helps!)
It's like people in the US are trained to be polite to strangers and talk back.
I've noticed this in every city i've been too in the US.

Trust me, accents can help. When I go to countries like France and Germany, my American accent sticks out like a sore thumb. Everyone around you, here, will take notice. And that's when you turn your 'game switch' on.

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Went out last night with 4 friends to see if we could creep out any girls on Halloween.

At the bar and my friend is doing what he calls a ‘warm up’ set on a couple of old birds! After a few mins they eject/blow him out and sit down by themselves. My friends all go out to smoke but it’s cold so I decide to stay inside and do my own attempt on the old girls. I open with ”Where’s your Halloween costumes?”

They throw it back at me because i’m also in normal clothes, but I tease them and ignore that fact and tell them that they’re boring and then start listing outfits that they should be wearing, and sexualise it a little by mentioning sexy ‘un-dead’ nurses in short skirts etc. I riff for a few seconds about how my friends are smoking so I thought i’d bug them for a while and within a few minutes they were asking my name and showing me lots of interest. My friends came back and told me they were moving too a different bar, and the girls said ”No! Don’t take Scars! We like him!”. I told the girls to come with us and they did.

In the next venue i’m flirting and dancing with the younger one (who is still like a decade older than me at about 40. I’m actually not interested in either one of them) and then the older one comes over, pinches my ass, tells me she likes younger guys and basically puts it on a plate for me. I kind of carry on flirting, but i’m trying to reject her gently and within a few minutes both girls are now talking to some other older dudes who have luckily taken them off my hands.

I open another girl on the dance floor. Much more my type! Canadian. 22. I open again with the same opener. It leads too a discussion. We do the names and ages thing after she asks. She seems SUPER friendly and talkative, but I know that this isn’t necessarily much of an IOI because American and Canadian girls are about 200 times friendlier with strangers than Brit girls typically (unless they’re into your look) It’s going OK. I’m touching her when the opportunity arrises and teasing her and stuff, but at some point I drop some sort of ‘clanger’ that completely ruins the interaction and she basically grabs her friend and walks away lol. My bad lol

I go too a different bar. I open a girl sitting down. Same opener lol. She is very talkative so it’s a pretty big IOI. Very soon she’s talking about how she likes to be fucked and stuff. I wish I could remember how the conversation ‘went there’ so quickly. Not sure if it was something I ‘done’ and if it was just her. I was starring deep into her eyes on silences and stuff to increase the sexual tension. She was giving me that flirty look and putting her face super close to mine at times and it was just super obvious that the kiss was ‘on’. I went for it and We kissed. I was feeling her up and making out a fair bit and she’s rubbing my cock over my jeans. Couldn’t go to either of our places due to logistics. Bathroom was TINY, not that I think i could have persuaded her to bang in there anyway. I should in hindsight have tried to leave with her and pretend to be walking towards a cab rank and then tried to bang her in the street tbh, just for the reference experience of trying to do that lol. Anyway, she gives me her number and leaves.

Go inside to use the bathroom and on my way upstairs I opened a hot young girl with the same opener and she just looked at me like a homeless person and sort of ‘shooed’ me away and said ‘i’m not intertested. Bye!’. Strong ‘no girl’ (first of the night) but decide to try HABD’s suggested reply and tell her that she’s full of herself and that i’m just killing time until some actual cute girls got here. She said ”You do that then!” whilst in mid-‘backturne’ and walked off.

Go back outside to the same seat where I was kisisng the girl from ealier, and I notice another girl now sitting there. Fairly hot. Probably opened her with the same outfit opener. Can’t remember. She was sober/wasn’t drinking and was sitting there whilst her ‘slut’ friend (her words, not mine!) was inside ‘trying to find a black guy to bang her’. I spent the next 10 mins teasing her and talking nonsense and she really seemed to be enjoying herself. Ran a little routine that I like to do. She also called me out on kissing the other girl. Turns out she saw that lol. First of all I just denied it even though it’s a ridiculous lie and luckily she understood the humour in it and laughed. She said something again about me going around kissing girls and I said ‘Hey, it’s spring break, everyone’s doing it!!” and shje cracked up laughing (we don’t even have spring break here, really lol). Still, It was going very well, laughing at my jokes, asking me what sort of girls I like, lots of personal quesions etc HOWEVER, there just wasn’t that ‘green flashing light’ that was present with the girl that I kissed earlier, this time. Hard to describe. It was going well, but I just wasn’t getting the same ‘attraction IOI’s’ (KISS ME!! I’m into you!!) that the other girl was giving me. I was thinking about how I can advance this, trying to remember all the tips from various PUA vids about how to escalate and stuff

First move was so ramp up the kino under using some sort of palm reading shit lol. I done it but I don’t think that it really helped my cause. Her behaviour didn’t change. I didn’t really feel i ‘gained’ anything with it. Maybe I should have made the touch more lingering and ‘obvious’? And held her hand even after? Maybe she just actually thought I liked reading palms lol. Also worth mentioning that I messed it up a bit anyway. I forgot how the routines went and just talked complete bollox

Next move was ‘statements of intent’ as per Jeffy. Told her I thought she was kinda cute and said a few jeffy lines, but again, she didn’t really reciprocate and I didn’t feel i’d really ‘move along’. Tried to sexualis the convo a bit too and she played along, but still nothing like the blatant attraction that the girl I kissed gave me (which she was giving me in seconds after I opened, tbh.)

Only other move I could think of here was to just grab her and ‘go for it’ and try to kiss her! But my instincts told me that it would be a guaranteed painful rejection. (i’d also previous tried to ‘test the waters’ by kind of picking her up as she was sitting down, but she kind of pushed my hands away a little and didn’t want that to happen so I backed off, but that told me that going for a kiss was likely super low odds).

Was now a bit lost as to what to do and I knew that she’d be driving her friend back to where she lives soon (fairly far away aswell) so I told her to give me her number which she did.

We text a little this morning and in one of them she said something like ”Wait, so you forgot our kiss?!!! I’m hearbroken”

I don’t even remember kissing her but I was a little drunk! Maybe she’s just being ‘funny’ and it’s a joke lol.

Overall a fun night tbh, ALTHOUGH, i’m annoyed at 2 things.

1/not being able to escalate effectively and advance the interaction with the last girl. It was just so much easier with the other girl due to her body language and stuff. Not sure what else I could/should have done with the 2nd girl.

2/Even though i’m glad to have made some approaches as i’ve been a pussy recently and half ‘gave up’ on ‘game’/approaching to be honest so a bit out of practice, there were so many occasions where there were just stunning girls that I failed to open due to how hot they were lol. Always painful when you reject yourself tbh although it’s so hard to do because I know that 98% of the time it’s a hard ‘no girl’ who, no matter what I try, basically ignores me, and it does kill my ego/confidence for future appraoches, so I tent to float around hitting on 7’s

EDIT:

Hmmm….it appears I actually did kiss the last girl as well. Bizarre. I honestly don’t remember that at all!

#Texts from this morning

Her: ”Omg you don’t remember our kids????? I’m heart broken.”

Her: I mean ‘kiss’, not ‘kids’

Me: I don’t remember our kids OR our kiss. I’m not sure it happened. Not like me to do such a thing. Did you do it just to make your bouncer friend jealous?! haha

(some bouncer she knew was sniffing around her all night)

Her: No you kissed me and you where snogging some other bird right before me so you definitely do kiss stangers lol. No I didn’t do it to make him jealous I done it because it’s what you wanted

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(10-28-2018 12:06 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  EDIT:

Hmmm….it appears I actually did kiss the last girl as well. Bizarre. I honestly don’t remember that at all!

#Texts from this morning

Her: ”Omg you don’t remember our kids????? I’m heart broken.”

Her: I mean ‘kiss’, not ‘kids’

Me: I don’t remember our kids OR our kiss. I’m not sure it happened. Not like me to do such a thing. Did you do it just to make your bouncer friend jealous?! haha

(some bouncer she knew was sniffing around her all night)

Her: No you kissed me and you where snogging some other bird right before me so you definitely do kiss stangers lol. No I didn’t do it to make him jealous I done it because it’s what you wanted

Nice job Subterfuge. I love your, last line, reply, I couldn't have said it better. Made me laugh my ass off!

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(10-29-2018 02:18 AM)UniversalMen Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 12:06 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  EDIT:

Hmmm….it appears I actually did kiss the last girl as well. Bizarre. I honestly don’t remember that at all!

#Texts from this morning

Her: ”Omg you don’t remember our kids????? I’m heart broken.”

Her: I mean ‘kiss’, not ‘kids’

Me: I don’t remember our kids OR our kiss. I’m not sure it happened. Not like me to do such a thing. Did you do it just to make your bouncer friend jealous?! haha

(some bouncer she knew was sniffing around her all night)

Her: No you kissed me and you where snogging some other bird right before me so you definitely do kiss stangers lol. No I didn’t do it to make him jealous I done it because it’s what you wanted

Nice job Subterfuge. I love your, last line, reply, I couldn't have said it better. Made me laugh my ass off!

lol. Glad it amused you. I actually lost my phone that night (the 'texts' were actually Facebook messages), but I think it's at that club! Pretty sure that if that bouncer DID see me kissing his crush, he's gonna flush it down the club toilets before I get a chance to pick it up!! He was a dick. He tried AMOG'ing me a few times, too!

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(10-29-2018 05:22 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  lol. Glad it amused you. I actually lost my phone that night (the 'texts' were actually Facebook messages), but I think it's at that club! Pretty sure that if that bouncer DID see me kissing his crush, he's gonna flush it down the club toilets before I get a chance to pick it up!! He was a dick. He tried AMOG'ing me a few times, too!

You did well. No AMOG was gonna be able to steal your fire at that point, you maintained frame and got her info. I think she was digging you because of the fact she had watched you kiss another girl.

I had a similar situation but I told the girl this, "I hired a stunt double to mingle in the same place, and that there's nothing I can do if my stunt double finds a girl he likes. I only require them to not start a fight or make me look bad (i.e. get drunk) and my stunt double kissing a girl... well, that doesn't make me look bad, at all." She laughed hard at this and I was able to turn her into a mini-LTR.

Hope you can get your phone back!

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Very short uneventful FR, but I do these more for me to look back on than anyone else, so may aswell journal it

First approach was on 2 hot girls who I spotted from across the bar. They were both giggling and trying to do 'the floss' (that stupid dance lol) Gave me a super easy opener. I love when this happens. Interactions always seem smoother than being like ''Hi! Errr.....so what's up?'' kind of thing lol. Or a scriped 'opinon opener' etc that often tend to bomb a bit

So I opened the pair of them and was like ''Yeah, you're doing it all wrong. I've got a 7 year old nephew so i'm kind of a pro at this dance'' and immediately they were super receptive and engaged me in conversation and we played around. They asked me to show them and I said ''Nahh...I dance for a living. Tonight's my night off'' and they laughed. At this point my friend came over to 'help' me. I started talking to the hotter one (both quite hot) and found out her story (she's from London) and teased about some stuff and it was going pretty damn well tbh. She cracked up a few times and asked me a fair few questions about myself, but then her friend who'd been talking to my mate more or less jumped in our set. I guess my friend couldn't keep her attention and even though this friend of hers was also super friendly to me before, she more or less dragged her friend away from me and they went to the bar. I guess I should have went with them or whatever, but I didn't want to look too needy and even though the set seemed to be going really well with my one, she really didn't try very hard at all to keep me once her friend interrupted us so I decided to let them get away and me and my friend went outside to the smoking area.

We then went to the bar/club, but the guys I was with all bailed leaving me on my own as they couldn't hack the pace! Was quite late now. I feel so self conscious when i'm on my own! People just don't go out of their own here so felt extra weird. As I was dancing, the were 2 really hot girls who I felt were dancing near me and maybe glancing over at me. I know I should have approached them and i'm so annoyed at myself for being a pussy, but i've had some of the harshest rejections of my life on dancefloors and I guess I keep replaying it over in my head lol. Plus everyone can see. I remember a time ages ago when some really hot girl 'appeared' to be dancing super close to me even though there was lots of room and I tried to 'assume attraction' and then turned towards her and extended my hand for her to take, and she was like ''Ewwww.....no chance. Fuck off!!'; and she shoved me as hard as she could!! haha. I can kind of laugh now and I did laugh it off at the time, but it was also an ego killer and was a bit mortifying, and I guess I haven't forgotten that memory yet! I just wasn't sure how best to approach them. I've been in a bad mood with myself for 2 days for being a wimp, though! I wonder if i'd have approached if I had some wings with me. I dunno. I guess I was thinking that i'd get rejected, and then i'd not only be the guy getting rejected, but also the weirdo out by himself! haha

Anyway, after that the club closed and I was so annoyed at myself that I made a few more approaches that both went bad lol. My state wasn't great although I honestly think that even if I was feeling on top form i'd have got the same reactions. Sometimes girls at this time of the night just don't seem to want to be approached. I guess they've had like 6 hours of it!!

First one was a really hot young girl sitting on a bench by herself. I think I just opened with something like 'by yourself?' and she just like blanked me. She had on these HUGE earrings which I commented on and then made a statement, and again she just looked super awkward about this and I just bailed. She didn't even strike me as rude to be honest. Just a bit shy and not interested. I was a bit drunk at this point to be honest, although I don't think that was teh reason for her reaction.

I went to get a cab and there was another very pretty young girl standing near a brick wall. Something about the way she looked told me she'd be hard work, but I decided that I can't read the future and decided she might be cool. I opened with some sort of random statement a bit like how the simplepickup dudes used to sometimes advise how to open. I think it was about her tattoo or something, and she just looked at me, rolled her eyes and stormed off as if to say ''Damn, why can't I be left alone by guys!!?''

Called it a night there!!

I actually don't really care about the 2 late night rejections. I don't think there's anything I could have opened with that would have got a good reaction from either girl!

I'm more annoyed about being a pussy with the dancefloor girls!

And the only 'proper' approach I made (the first set) I felt I done pretty well.

Bit of a non-event, I guess

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(11-05-2018 03:31 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  So I opened the pair of them and was like ''Yeah, you're doing it all wrong. I've got a 7 year old nephew so i'm kind of a pro at this dance'' and immediately they were super receptive and engaged me in conversation and we played around. They asked me to show them and I said ''Nahh...I dance for a living. Tonight's my night off'' and they laughed.

The way you engaged these first two girls was quite clever. Well played sir!

(11-05-2018 03:31 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  Called it a night there!!

I actually don't really care about the 2 late night rejections. I don't think there's anything I could have opened with that would have got a good reaction from either girl!

I'm more annoyed about being a pussy with the dancefloor girls!

And the only 'proper' approach I made (the first set) I felt I done pretty well.

Bit of a non-event, I guess

I can't tell you how many times I've been rejected on the dancefloor. Granted, my dance moves are subpar and have no desire to improve them. I find it easier to wander around looking for girls that are sitting in groups/waiting/buying drinks and engage them that way.

I go back and forth between the aforementioned and sitting down, occupying space and not giving a shit. Those two have always been my go-to techniques.

Bottomline: You're gonna have many nights or days where no matter what you do, you're only fighting a losing battle but again, it builds character and nerves of steel.

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popped out with my brother and one of my mates who has a wife, but he's recently discsovered 'pua' and he is super into it which I love. Much more fun when someone else is making the odd approach and not just me. Also always interesting to note differences and observe things from a different angle.

First open was on a 2 set at the bar. He opened her with ''did you see the fight outside?''. I almost spat my beer out. Obviously he's been reading mysterymethod! They actually called him out which surprised me (''there wasn't really a fight outside, was there. You just wanted to talk too us''). I jumped in and played along and made it sound like there was a little fight outside and went into a little detail which seemed to convince them that his opener was 'genuine' lol. Both pretty. One of them was actually stunning, but it turned out she was actually a lesbian. Didn't know hot lesbians existed outside of porn! I carried on talking to the other one. I done a cold read and threw some questions at her, and teased her about being from a fairly rough area and using that to go back the the 'fight outside' and about how I bet she knows a few good fighting moves. She laughed. Then I done some super gamey/cheesy/classic cold read thing about her being a good girl with bad girl mannerisms or something. I kind of cringe when I implement some of this stuff sometimes, but I sometimes do it because what's the point in 'learning' all these things and then never using them, and, to be fair, she seemed to kind of light up and she laughed again and grabbed me. This set was going really well and she was asking me stuff and seemed interested etc etc, but all it took was for there to be like 5 seconds of silence where I kind of couldn't think of anything to say, and she walked away to sit with her friends (including the lesbian who had already ejected from my friend). Didn't even say 'bye'! Sometimes feels like you need to be legit perfect in order to not lose some girls. The bar can be impossibly high!

A 4 set were near us and one of them seemed to be checking my friend out a few times. I went to the bathroom and when I came back I found out that he'd already been blown out. Apparently he opened with ''I saw you checking me out. Come and say hi''. And then she was just like ''No. I wasn't. We're talking. Bye'' lol.

He opened another girl. Extremely hot young girl in a red dress. Not good winging on my part, but I wanted to just observe and see if I could learn anything new from this different perspective in this set. He opened her and she gave the reaction I often get. One of confusion and bemusement, like she'd never had a stranger strike up a conversation with her before. Maybe she hasn't! She was giving him the shortest answers possible and her body language was like ''I want this to end. I hope he stops talking so i can leave''. Admittedly he was just using what I call 'normal guy game' and just asking her name, age, what she does, what she's up too tonight etc and not doing anything especially 'gamey'. She basically excused herself out of the convo after maybe 2 minutes like ''yeah, anyway, have a good night'' and walked away

Getting late now and both my brother and friend have disappeared so i'm flying solo.

A stunning young girl walks past me and I decide to try a direct opener and stop her tell her she's cute. She looks at me almost aggressively and kind of snaps, ''Yeah, i know! bye'' and walks away before I could try to transition into something lol

I open a hot girl at the bar and make her laugh and straight away I think I made a small statement of intent. She tells me she's taken by I might like her friend. She points too her friend who is also hot and I call her over and i'm like ''You're friend was just saying we'd make a cute couple'' (shes didn't actually say that but whatever lol). Her friend laughed, and then I grabbed the new girl and pulled her towards me and was like ''Who are you then?'' adn we started talking and it was one of those sets where you feel like you are instantly at that stage where it's kind of flirty and there's sexual tension and your past the awkwardness. Doesn't happen much but it's cool when it does. Unfortunately I can't remember much of what we spoke about at all as probably a bit drunk by now. I remember after a while I just gently moved her into isolation up against a wall near the DJ booth and started kissing her.
Me and this girl and her friend all went outside. I think one of them wanted some chips or something. I tried to see the pull and talked about a little 'after party' or something. I then decided to talk to 'my' girls friend to make sure she was completely on my side and wouldn't cock block me.

This was a stupid move because:
1/she'd already basically set me up with her friends
2/it meant leaving my girl alone near a busy bar

That second reason would prove fatal!

After a few minutes of dancing with her friend on the street trying to do moves from 'dirty dancing' because she said I reminded her of Patrick Swayze, I noticed that 'my'girl is now talking to some handsome muscly stud. They appear to swap numbers but he left. This salted my game pretty badly. My state dropped a bit. I carried on talking to her friend just for a few seconds, and now 'my' girl was in set with ANOTHER dude and she seemed very comfortable with him. I don't knew if he already knew her, but I don't think so because her friend who I was still talking too was like ''Looks like x GIRL is with him now! I think you two are a better match that that guy'' ('that guy' suggests she doesn't know him and since the girls are best friends, I imagine he was a stranger to my girl, too)

At this point the friend seemed to want to be on her own and was texting and no longer really engaging me in convo and suddenly i'm out in the cold here feeling like a weird loner lol. I just felt it'd be super needy to now go and try to work my way back in with the original girl and before i knew it, all 3 of them got in a cab. D'oh!!!

They hadn't kissed or even looked close to doing so, but I can only assume the worst lol.

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Hey man. Just read a few of the entries in your journal, and I have to say it's a very accurate depiction of game in general, particularly in the UK. I appreciate that you leave in the awkward bits. Glad you're keeping it real
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(11-28-2018 07:02 PM)polnischspeaker234 Wrote:  Hey man. Just read a few of the entries in your journal, and I have to say it's a very accurate depiction of game in general, particularly in the UK.

Cheers. You in the UK? Start a journal!

(11-28-2018 07:02 PM)polnischspeaker234 Wrote:  I appreciate that you leave in the awkward bits

Now you're making me feel paranoid!! Smile


(11-28-2018 07:02 PM)polnischspeaker234 Wrote:  Glad you're keeping it real

This journal (especially at this point) really is more for myself than anyone else (I often read posts/interactions in this thread from like a year ago etc) so I really do try to keep it very 'real' indeed!

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Laid.
Fairly average girl but passed the boner test lol.
I approached this 4 set outside in the beer garden with my friends very late as the bar was about to kick everyone out.
Girl I talked initially was friendly, and her 3 friends were all fawning over my handsome friend which at least helped buy me some time.
After 10 mins one of the girls invited all of us to her house along with the other girls.
My good looking wing went off home by himself so me and a few other friends went back to this girls house.
I spent most of the time gaming some blonde girl (girl A) with a fairly pretty face and she seemed to be into it. I think there was a moment where I could have went for the kiss but I didn't.
I ended up sharing a cab with this girl aswel as the other girl (girl B)who had been trying go bang my wing and who I had barely spoken too at all.
Girl A gets out of the cab at her adress after getting my facebook and contact details.
I'm sitting in the back with Girl B alone now and giving the taxi driver my address but we are dropping her off first as it's closer.
At some point she just looks at me a certain way and I just pounce on her lol. She kisses me back aggressively and we are still kissing as she arrives at her house.
The cab driver says ''To your place now, mate?'' and I say ''forget about that. I'm getting out here!'' chuck a fiver at him and jump out with her and then bang her in her lounge.
Fun, but man there were some absolute STUNNERS out last night. More than usual. I guess due to the holiday season.
Happy to got laid but it's like when you go too a restaurant and you want what the other guy is eating!
They were ALL taken and seemingly out with their boyfriends so I didn't even try my luck, but I really hope I can get hold of such a girl at some point! (like I did last year). There were a few legit 9-10's! (according to my personal taste)

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(12-02-2018 10:59 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  Laid.
At some point she just looks at me a certain way and I just pounce on her lol. She kisses me back aggressively and we are still kissing as she arrives at her house.
The cab driver says ''To your place now, mate?'' and I say ''forget about that. I'm getting out here!'' chuck a fiver at him and jump out with her and then bang her in her lounge.

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Hey subterfuge, through your experience nightgaming, have you figured out a pattern in words or behavior that gives you at least a warm lead when interacting with the women, or is it just random, being at the right place and right time or their perceived attraction to you.
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(12-15-2018 08:36 PM)Sex Machine Wrote:  Hey subterfuge, through your experience nightgaming, have you figured out a pattern in words or behavior that gives you at least a warm lead when interacting with the women, or is it just random, being at the right place and right time or their perceived attraction to you.

I'd have to say 'no' to finding a pattern that 'works' the best. All girls are different. Some fancy line might make one girl laugh, and the next girl think you are an odd ball. Similarly with 'vibe'. Cocky and confident can work, but it turns some girls off. One interesting thing that i'm starting to notice only now, after TONNES of approaches, is that i'm starting to doubt the PUA wisdom about NOT opening with rapport seeking/comfort etc. The idea is that you are supposed to open with breaking rapport, challenging, commanding behaviour etc (attraction) but i'm starting to notice that maybe the more 'normal' and 'friendly' I am, the more likely i am to not get a brutal rejection. Again, this might be a UK thing. I dunno. Vin Di Carlo actually mentions this in his old writings, and he disagrees with the general PUA philosophy in terms of opening in 'attraction' too, for what it's worth

I think something that is rarely unearthed in pickup is that we really have to adapt out approach to our culture. I feel like 'pua' is mainly built and designed for American girls/culture, and probably a certain 'type'' of girl. We all know that there are big cultural differences that effect social interaction, but pickup rarely addresses this. I actually think it's a massive topic worthy of discussion, but whatever

Anyway, FR time!
I don't always post FR's when they are kind of non-eventful , but wanted to post this one.

The first interaction of the night was 2 legit 9's came and stood near me and my 3 friends in the beer garden. MY friend opened with some mystery method opinion opener and they answered but, typical UK girls, kept their answers laconic. I jumped in and teased them on her HUGE earrings and it got an emotional spike and both girl screeched laughing and made a comment on what I said (I said it in a funny way as if I was asking MY friend an 'opinion opener' about girls with big earrings kind of thing lol). I quickly jumped to being slightly aloof to see if I could screen for interest and see if they would fill in the brief silence, but as was expected, they both literally just walked away shortly after lol

Next interaction is the interesting one. There's 2 girls. A fairly hot one, a big fat unit who is her best friend, and some dude that looks like a gay Swedish tennis player. Mixed 3-set.

I open the fairly hot one with a comment on her drink that i just saw her down: ''You looked like you didn't enjoyed that much!!'' I said. She mentions that she hates whiskey but it was free so she necked it. I say something else and then it kind of goes quiet. About 2 mins later, she says to me, ''You can sit down with us if you want!''. I sit down whilst my friends still stand up.

The fat friend says something like ''I take it you are the alpha of the group'' I deflect and i'm like ''Nah, he's the alpha'' and point at my friend. This is where the gay Swedish guy jumps in and makes a slightly rude comment about my friend. This dude is camp and bitchy (I would meet another one later on! Weird night!! gays everywhere!!) and has that ''I just started doing a degree so I think i'm better than everyone'' attitude. He get's into a slight argument with my friend and I carry on talking to the girls. The fat one is giving me tonnes of shit tests and I agree and amplify each time.

Out of almost nowhere, the hot one who is sitting next to me says ''I really wanna fuck you'' fairly quietly in my ear

I can't quite believe my ears, but I try to stay unreactive and then ask her why she likes me so much in a kind of playful, teasing way. She says some shit about me being ''deep'' which makes me giggle internally because i've barely spoke to her. I also felt like a made a fairly bad impression during my 'transition' from the open and said some stupid shit about my friend having been in prison which I instantly regereted, so I was doubly surprised that the hot one was into me!

I ask her age and she's like 19 and I do my usual gambit of pretending that i'm not interested in her due to her being half my age (when the truth is that I adore young girls!). She starts qualifying herself, saying she's mature etc.

He fat friend (who didn't hear what her friend had whispered to me) soon mentions her (the hot girl hitting on me) has a boyfriend and instantly the hot girl starts acting slightly more uninterested. I think her friends comment activated her 'slut defence'

I should also mention that the hot girl was pretty drunk and so I didn't push the interaction as far as maybe I usually would. Just seemed to 'rapey'.

Next bar was yet another gay dude with hot girls. We opened the set and instantly, this big gay dude started get mouthy to my friend lol. Man, I was trying to hide my rage. This big fairy was so lucky to not get a smack from my friend who held back fro hitting him and just laughed it off, and the gay dude was just unnaware of how lucky he was! Shame as he was with 2 stunners who seemed to like me at first, but very shortly after were quite combative as they were obviously gonna take their friends side in teh silly argument.

I open a new 3 set. 2 hot teen girls with yet ANOTHER gay dude!! This dude was coo though to be fair. I chatted to all of them but sense zero interest from the hot girls and bailed shortly after

I then opened a different 3 set who I wasn't that interested in, plus, at this point, I had the worst 'wingman' on planet earth. A fully diagnosed autistic aspie lol. Didn't help. Teased them, asked questions blabla, but didn't 'lead' because I just wasn't really into them

Finally approach anxiety kicked in when I spotted my dream girl. Some barely legal stunner who looked shy but was just beautiful. I just couldn't bring myself to open her! Looked like it was her first ever night out and she was with her older sisters or something. That's my guess. Didn't help that at this point, some random odd ball befriended me, and then proceeded to get into a fight with, what Ii think was the same group as the super hot teen girl.

Decided to call it a night there. Felt like the world was trying to tell me something. So many strange guys out last night!!

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(12-16-2018 05:59 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  Her fat friend (who didn't hear what her friend had whispered to me) soon mentions her (the hot girl hitting on me) has a boyfriend and instantly the hot girl starts acting slightly more uninterested. I think her friends comment activated her 'slut defence'

Fucking fatties man. Every time.

Great journal Sub, I enjoy your stories.
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(12-16-2018 05:59 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  Her fat friend (who didn't hear what her friend had whispered to me) soon mentions her (the hot girl hitting on me) has a boyfriend and instantly the hot girl starts acting slightly more uninterested. I think her friends comment activated her 'slut defence'

Fucking fatties man. Every time.

Great journal Sub, I enjoy your stories.

lol, thanks buddy. Glad you've enjoyed it. Yeah, she was a real unit! Looked like she could benchpress a fully grown deer. Weird that she was constantly shittesting me instead of her friend!

There's a fairly hot girl where i'm working at the moment, but I just haven't got the balls to ask her out lol. 100% of my approaches/game have always been after a few beers in a bar. This feels weird as hell and well out of my comfort zone. Plus she's very young, seems kinda shy, and I don't sense any IOI's as such. Hard to tell. Very smiley and shy with me, but puts in zero effort in terms of carrying on the conversation etc so i'm assuming no attraction there.

Also, it's not a 'don't shit where you eat' situation for what it's worth. Short term temp job

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Sub, I've recently discovered this thread from your more recent one in the Newbie forum. Great, entertaining FRs. Please keep it up.

You should write an essay or something on how typical Game can't really be applied exactly in the UK.
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Out with my best looking wing. Mentioned him a few times in this journal. Not seen him for a few months.
My main intention last night was just to try to 'add value' and be fun and confident etc. Not worrying about the right things to say etc. I was actually in a good mood and didn't feel much anxiety at all for some reason

Approach 1 was on some Goddess who had on a really colourful scarf and I grabbed her and was like ''This!! I love this!!'' and she smiled and said thanks and told me it was a present from her boyfriend. I was like ..Boyfriend?! Why are you doing this to me?'' and she laughed again and then basically said ''have a good night''

Then some average looking girl opened my handsome friend by pretending to know him. This is how girls open guys. It happens to him about 10 times per night. She didn't know him. They chatted for a few seconds and I opened the other girl and just asked her who she was, what she was up too etc. Threw in some little teases and jokes etc but I got the impression that she wasn't into me. I usually can tell. My friend was also semi blanking her friend who was trying to pull him and both girls said they were going to get a drink and would come back, but they didn't come back. No great loss!

Then I bumped into 2 girls on the dancefloor. I actually mentioned these girls in a prior FR. (https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-57783...pid1868537)
That night i'd been flirting with the hot one all night. Lots of physical stuff etc but no kissing and me adn some friend went back to their house but the girl I was with dissappeared to go to bed. I think probably a result of me failing to make the move. So yeah, I saw them again last night and opened them. But it was quite a stilted convo. Also my friend was in the bathroom so I felt a bit weird dancing by myself. We spoke a little about the last time we met etc, but the convo just wasn't flowing. They weren't saying much and it felt a bit like pulling teeth so I bailed. Think i'm sometimes better at talking to complete strangers compared to girls i've met before for some reason.

Then moved too a different bar and my friend has some teen stunner walk up to him, rub her finger on his chest and then starts grinding him. He grinds back on her for a few minutes but it seems to fizzle out as she moves away.

There is some crazy girl on the dancefloor who seems to be almost getting into random fights. I spot that 2 girls notice her and are looking at her dissapprovingly. I try to open them for a bit of fun and i'm like ''Thats my wife!'' and point at the crazy girl. ''She's sweet, isn't she?!'' and smile, but the girl kind of shrugs as if to say ''why are you telling me this?'' and then does a backturn. I think maybe she thought I was serious lol. I thought it was funny as she obviously wasn't my wife! Dunno. Worst thing was that she wasn't even hot. Always feels worse when ugly girls shoot you down lol

Then another girl comes up to my wing and more or less molests him lol. She just grabs him, grabs his hands and puts them on her arse and they dance for a bit, and then she drags him away to the toilets for a blowjob lol.

Opened a hot girl who my handsome friend liked. Asked her something like ''Are you from Poland?'' or something, and she said ''It's not important where i'm from''. I tried to plow a little and made an observation and a compliment and asked her something else and she said something like ''I am here with my friend. We try to talk. Ok?'' or something. Basically go away, but to be honest, she said it all with a smile and she was kinda polite. I do prefer Forreign girls lol.




I met an Albanian gangster in his late 40's who has a stable of hot girls. Surprisingly, he met a few of them from cold approach in the day! Not often I meet a real life person who does that! Much younger girls too. He's a good looking guy and is big, although he's bald. I wonder if the girls are with him as a bit of a sugar daddy thing, though. He was showing me some texts and that's the feeling I was kind of getting. Cool though. Said he approached some 19 year old in the coffee shop who was reading the paper but he noticed she looked over from time to time to look in his direction as he was having coffee with a different hot teen, and when this teen went to the bathroom, he quickly opened the one looking at him, got her number, and then took her out. Saw him make an approach on another girl. Really wanted to evesdrop on what sort of things a real 'natrual' opens with and talks about, but it was too loud, and she rejected him anyway

Opened another girl with something like ''Hey, i'm the next idiot of the night come to hit on you'' and she actually laughed but was like ''no thanks'' and she started to walk away. I was like ''2 seconds!! wait!'' and I KEPT doing this like Max done in one of his vids, and it was actually quite funny and she seemed to find my persistence amusing, although unforttunately she still left (between stopping, looking at me again and laughing, shaking her head, saying sorry etc)

I open another girl and I think I made a comment on her hair and then done some sort of nationality cold read as I could tell she wasn't English. Told her she looks like a Polish lifeguard or something and she laughed. Asked her name, age and stuff. Made a few comments and statements about stuff and gave her some physical compliments, but I could sense her disinterest. She wasn't asking me things back etc. Big clue. She ejected soon after.

Opened another girl and asked her to marry me and she cracked up and said ''Sure. Why not!!'' and I grabbed her and hugged her, and then grabbed one of her friends and told her she was gonna be the bridesmaid. I spoke with her a bit about the usual name/age stuff and told her we'd have cute kids, but after a few mins she gravitated towards her friends again. My wing was busy being molested by another girl so he couldn't help distract her friends or help me or whatever

I made another good handful of approaches but they were all non-starters unfortunately. Happy to have made more approaches than usual, though. Probably out again tonight to make a ton more!

Also, finally in the process of setting up bitcoin, so I plan to experiment with mind altering drugs this year to see if there is any effect in terms of results when there is like no anxiety present.
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NEW YEARS EVE...EVE

Went out but wasn't really a gaming night. Only girl I contemplated opening with a stunning waitress in the cocktail var. Never tried hired gun game though and felt way out of my comfort zone so didn't go for it. Also saw a leigt teenage 10 but she was out with her Ryan Goslin looking boyfriend.

Main talking point was that some psycho tried to beat me up for approaching his girlfriend!
I literally asked a girl how her night was going. She looked to be by herself near the dancefloor. As we are chatting, some 15 stone LUMP threw a punch at me!! He walked up to me, said something like ''You like my girl, do ya?'' (think he was Polish?) and threw a punch at my face. I somehow dodged it (although he scraped me still and I have a few marks on my head) and threw one straight back at him and hit his jaw, but he didn't go down, and then the fight it went to the ground, and we rolled around fighting for a few seconds, and luckily the bouncers jumped in. He would have eaten me alive I think lol.

NEW YEARS EVE

Went too a different town with a few friends. Amazing how I ALWAYS noticed a slight increase in receptiveness/friendliness ANYWHERE I go that isn't my home town! Even just 10 mins away lol

Didn't really get out till late so not a great deal to write about, but first approach was a warm up set just to help get me in state. Giving value. Gave a hot blonde girl wearing a fur jacket a big hug and told her she looked like a sexy polar bear. She laughed and hugged me back and we made some small talk. I knew she was with her boyfriend so didn't really push the interaction.

I then opened a 3 set in the smoking area. Still trying to follow through with prior advice about 'giving value' whilst also being more direct and sexual. I opened the hottest one (who was like a 9!!. Stunning girl. Looked like 18 year old Mila Kunis) with a compliment about her clothes (the only 'situational'/ non canned openers that ever come to my head in the moment are clothes based lol. In for more opener ideas!!). She laughed at my opener and was instantly friendly. I went kinda direct/masculine and kind of grabbed her wrists and told her she was cute. She backed away slightly and I calibrated and backed away in turn. She was like ''Sorry hun. You're not my type. Besides....'' and showed me her engagement ring. I was like ''I am your type. You just don't know it yet'' and she cracked up laughing, and then I just asked her lots of questions and done some cold reads and stuff. She liked me enough that she kept trying to sell her fat friend to me ''This is Louise. She's a top hairdresser. She's single bla bla bla''. Didn't fancy her friend and carried on trying it on with the hot one. WBeing flirty and stuff. We all kept chatting for like 15 mins which is good. I don't get enough long sets. At this point some 6ft 7 cocaine nutter came in who was actually really friendly, but he kind of killed the vibe. It fizzled out and they ejected.

I then went and opened another absolute stunner! I don't always have the guts to go for the 9's because it feels stupid, but I was feeling balsy. She was sitting down on her own, apparently waiting for her sister. I opened her and teased her about a few things, and she was giggling. I again, went more direct and told her I thought she was kinda cute etc, and went into some little roleplay which gave me the chance to get physical etc. This was a really frustrating interaction, because it was typical, in that, I feel like i've read 99% of info on 'game', and implemented it, and teased her and told stories and showed intent, and had good eye contact and all the rest of it, but it just didn't seem to be happening. She simply wasn't into me in 'that' way, and I honestly feel in my heart that it was likely a looks thing. Just being honest. Eventually she told me she could see her sister and she got up. Thought about going for the number but felt kinda pointless.

First 'bad' interaction of the night was next. Opened 2 hot girls who were dancing. I hate dancefloor approaches as they always go bad. I kind of made a comment or something to one of them, but she done the 'look at you like you're an alien' thing and kind of grabbed her friend and moved away lol. I slinked off like a chode lol


Made a few more kind of indirect approaches ''hey guys, who are you?'' lomd of thing, but everyone seemed to be coupled up and I decided to call it a night! Been so much approaching recently that I was starting to feel burnt out!

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LAID!

One of my hottest and youngest yet. Dfinitely my idea of an 8. 19 years old

Wish I had more of an 'FR' to share, but most of thte night was just chatting with myfriends and making the odd appraoch that never really hooked at all.

Got to about midnight and i'd kind of given up. Then some hot girl and her friend asked me for a lighter and before I knew it I was chatting to the hot girl. Then my wingman went home so I was like ''I'm your best friend now. I'm by myself. Keep me company for a bit''. Went to the bar adn bought us a drink eadh (I don't usually do that tbh, but whatevs)

Done a few little 'routines' in order to help me sexualise the convo and touch her without it seeming to weird. Done a few ''take-aways' after she said something i disagreed with or whatever and was and was like ''That's it! You're done! I don't care how hot you are. I can't be around you anymore'' and got some emotional spikes out of her. Then after a while pulled her towards me and kissed her and was the first to pull away. I thought I didn't actually have a proper shot a little later because when I tried to kiss her she was lke ''Nooo....stop kissing me.'' or something. I thought 'sh1T!' lol. Carried on chatting. She was asking me lots of questions like ''What's your favourite colour adn why? What's your favourite animal and why?'' lol. I gave her the kind of answers I thought she wants to hear as she'd be blabbering on about spirituality and stuff, so with 'colour' I was taking about 'blue' and how it reminded me of the sea and how it made me feel close to nature! Complete load of bollox, but I think it seemed to work. Started physically Picking her up a little to spike her emotions and went for a kiss again. I got chatting to some dude and at one point I said to him ''You're the man'' and he replied ''No. It looks like YOU'RE the man if you're gonna be smashing that tonight!!''. Made me feel good lol. Then after a while the girl basically said ''Lets go to yours' Now''. Got a cab back. Smashed her last night and boned her again and shot my load in her lol. Last night sex last forever but not necessarily amazing, and this mornings sex felt amazing, but I didn't last more than a few mins which was kinda embarrassing and also unusual for me! Possibly more excited than usual due to her looks. I needed that!!!

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Quite funny events today as I've been texting her a little.
First funny thing is that she showed my pic to her friend, and her friend said ''He kissed me in 'X-bar' a few weeks back!''.
She is referring to this FR
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-57783...pid1892610 (the final approach of the night in that FR)


It THEN turns out that, according to her friend, on that same night, I was speaking to the girl I banged last night for a long time before kissing the other girl. But neither me nor the girl from last night obviously remember that/each other! We both have shit memories.

Also worth noting that she was very drunk last night so it might have made my job easier! This morning I was trying to kind of do my regular 'de-brief' where I basically try to work out how on earth I got her. She definitely didn't give me any hints about finding me hot. Like, in my debrief with the air hostesss, she made it clear that she saw me,m thought I was her type, and more or less decided to bang me straight away. This girl from last night is just like ''I don't remember how it happened. I was super drunk!!''.

I was thinking that she was maybe regretting what had happened and the plain light of day now, however, I had sex with her again shortly after so she can't have found me that ugly (in her now sober state!)

Other funny things. She comes from a hot family. Some of her cousins and stuff are legit 9's. One of them banged Zayne Malic a few years back. And the girl I banged (who is a bit nuts!) was offered thousands by some rich dude to take part in a threesome lol. She was also spiked (and probably assaulted) as revenge (by the drug dealing uncle of a dug dealer I actuallly know!) because they suspected her of grassing them (the dealer I know) up to the police.

small world

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@Subterfuge: You are a great writer, and I really have enjoyed your journal. From the beginning of this thread to the last one the improvement with the ladies is amazing.

Congratulations.
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(01-14-2019 04:07 PM)mataor Wrote:  @Subterfuge: You are a great writer, and I really have enjoyed your journal. From the beginning of this thread to the last one the improvement with the ladies is amazing.

Congratulations.

thanks, man. I honestly don't see the huge improvement that you can (still have massive AA, still run out of things to say, still struggle to 'hook', still too many 'insta rejections' etc) but i'm glad you've enjoyed the ride!
This latest lay was the kind of one that makes all the rejections worth it to me. Probably not QUITE as hot as the 18 year old 'lottery win' from one of last years lay reports, but still very hot none-the-less
I've been texting her. She has so many crazy stories, but I can't really share them as some of them would basically reveal her identity!

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Went to town with my best friends from school (including a very handsome slayer friend lol). Don't get to see them much so was in a happy mood.

Opened the 2 hottest girls in the bar. Both 9's. Blonde and a brunette. Blonde one had that conceited bitch girl vibe about her. I think I opened her based on her crazy red fur jacket she had on. 'Clothes openers' just seem to be by natural go too. And if not, clothes becomes the transtion after the opener lol. I talked to them both and done 'good' in that I was able to basically cram in everything under the umbrella of 'game' into the set. Teased her, disqualified her, cold read etc etc. However, after a few mins I was starting to run out of things to say. It's just almost impossible to keep a convo going when it's so one-sided. I decided to leave on a high and ejected.

Then opened 2 more absolutely beautiful girls. Opened them and told them they look like they should be in an 80's music video. They both just looked like they were from 1984 with their hair and style. Turns out they were Lithuanian. Both solid 8's. Again, tease, cold read bla bla. I said a few words in Lithuanian which made them laugh. Names, ages, plans for the night, told a little DHV story, but once again, it was all one-sided and they weren't asking my things or making any attempt at keeping the convo going, and so after a few mins I ejected.

Then I opened 2 girls in a different bar. Slightly older and average looking but good practice. I went sexual pretty soon, trying to insert some techniques i've been reading about. She asked me if I have a big **** and I told her it's tiny like a wet baby carrot, and then she started grabbing my **** through my jeans! I wasn't really into her though and we decided to head too a different bar.

Opened a cute girl who gave me an IOI. Can't actually remember what I opened with though which is annoying as it was a really solid set, and I like to always know exactly what I said in such sets (including the opener). So I opened, teased her, asked who she was with, got her name, ran some silly little 'routine' and she WAS contributing, unlike the earlier girls. Gave us some flow. I got a bit physical with her and gave her an eskimo kiss, and then her Auntie or something tried to pull her away from me but the girl was like ''Trust me, i'm fine. I like him. He's nice''. This happened a few times! Turns out she's engaged, and she's out with her family. Dad, brother, Aunty etc! Bit awkward, but I made fun of the situation and went into some roleplay stuff about me impressing her parents and making them like me so we can run away together. We took some photos and I made friends with one of her friends. At one point she said something like ''If I was single, i'd blatantly be asking you to come home with me tonight'' which was a nice confidence boost for an ugly dude! I started talking too a different girl, and she was clearly jealous and pulled me back and and teased me about leaving her! haha. We flirted a little more, but she had to leave. Had lots of attraction in that set

Then I opened some hot girl outside. Was going good, but then my handsome friend came over, and her attention completely flipped from me to him!! haha. This has happened before. She was just all over him due to his looks and I knew there was nothing I could do. She bought him a drink, I think she tried to pull him, but when she could see that he probably wasn't interested, she left

I spot 4 super hot teen girls dancing. I had to double take but I realised that the hottest girl was the one I banged a year or so back and wrote about it in a prior FR!! : (read it. It's only short)

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-57783...pid1552679


Wasn't sure about approaching her as it ended so weird last time, and I could kind of tell that she didn't recognise me when we made eye contact. So I decided to open her as a stranger, and went direct. Basically told her I thought she was cute. She wasn't really giving me anything back and the set was short and kind of awkward and I felt like I was a bit 'needy'. All pull and no push. I ejected, but to my surprise, she walked up to me a few mins later and opened me and we chatted. I told her I recognised her, but didn't tell her where from. She honestly seemed to have no idea who I am which is weird but kind of good. Weird thing was that she asked me to give her my phone to put her number in, but it doesn't seem to be in there when I go to my contacts. Odd. And I was too drunk to check at the time. Anyway, I saw her again outside an hour or so later, and she was being chatted up by some handsome dude, and I called her over to me, and she gave me a horrible expression as if to say ''Who are you? Go away'' and then she just blanked me! haha. Ouch. Not sure what that's about. I think she's just a bit nuts tbh. But then I learnt that the first time round from when I banged her!! Damn hot, though!

Possibly a couple other short sets but nothing to write about.

Interesting night. I think in terms of game I done all I could have done, really. Not angry at myself like I sometimes am.

My journal : https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-57783.html
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Post: #300
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2 girls are sitting in an area away from everyone else. The girl I like is like a 9/10. She just looks like a top model. Think a young Adriana Lima or something. Stunning face and nice body. My instincts tell me that this will be a rough set due to how hot she is and her body language and the fact she's sitting in an area where there's no 'traffic' like she doesn't wanna be bothered. Fuck it. I walk over to her and she starts 'fanning' herself with a menu. I grab a menu sitting near her and say ''I got you'' and fan her a little in a playful way. I know from experience that this sort of opener is fine and can go down well, so I don't blame the opener. Anyway, she reacts like most hot girls nowadays. Like she's Kylie Jenner or Paris Hilton or something and looks at me like trash and tells me to go away in what might have been like Russian accent or something. My mission in life is to 'turn' these kind of girls from a hard 'no' too a yes, even if it's not actually possible. I try to implement some lines that I've read from game books and tease her about her reaction like I find it amusing. I'm like ''Awww....are you always so friendly to strangers? I love your attitude!''. But she still didn't really react and tried to just turn her whole body away from me like I was homeless. I carried on for a few more seconds, but it was completely pointless. She was STUNNING but just a bitch and probably would have reacted that way to everyone who wasn't like a model or a premier league footballer or something lol

In the same bar, i'm about to leave, and I spot a beautiful girl with a really interesting look. Looks like Dita Von teese with her dress sense. I open her. I can't remember whether I went with a silly direct opener like ''Wow. I was gay until I saw you!'' or whether I commented with something like ''You look nice. you remind me of one of those actresses in the 50's''. Either way, she was fairly receptive off of the bat.

She 'hooked' pretty fast and told me that it was unusual for her to NOT just instantly reject some random guy who approached her. As a student of game I found this interesting and it lead too a fun discussion about meeting people and stuff. She was kind of complimenting me on my confidence and my approach and stuff which was nice.

I started to run some very heavy/technical/ kinda old school game here. I noticed her rings and grabbed her hand and was like ''tell me about this one!''. I'm playing with her fingers as she's talking. I start rambling off some nonsense about how each finger responds too a greek God and talk about Dionysus and how he's the God of wine and how she must be a party girl.

Her friend tries to steal her from me, but she tells her that she's fine. Her friend then buys us all shots at the bar whilst I carry on working!

I run another 'routine' and then go into some cold reads. Classic ''good girl, bad girl stuff''. She's eating it up. I accidentally brush her boob with my hand and she's like ''You just touched my boob'' and I was like ''I know. I even tried to make it seem like an accident! It'll be your ass in a minute, but can you not point it out next time?'' and she laughed and hit my arm.

I try to use some time distortion by bouncing her too a different bar and she complies.

I'm trying to cram every single line and technique/theory that I've ever read (and I've read them ALL!!).

I now start the qualification stuff. I'm trying to make her think that I like her for reasons that aren't to do with her looks basically.

She's obviously somewhat attracted, so I isolate her and ramp up the kino. I'm rubbing my hands over her hips and ass

I've got her pushed up against a fence and she's gone 'floppy'. This' floppy' thing is something I've seen so many times and it's when she's attracted. However, it was a busy area, her friend was watching, and I could definitely feel some resistance. I tried to test the waters by getting me mouth super close to hers but she kind of turned her head and pulled away. I knew she wasn't ready yet. I needed more time, HOWEVER, her friend had to go, and she was staying with her and her uber that she booked just turned up out of nowhere and she literally had to go then!!1 sucked.

It was late now and as i'm walking to get a cab I spot a beautiful, very young girl. Like 18. I just extend my hand for her to take and she does lol. I spin her around and then we recognise each other. It's some hot girl who I tried gamin about 6 months ago! We laugh and I just get super physical straight away. Pick her up. Carry her to some dark area and just test for compliance. A bit like with the other girl, she's into it, but she's not ready. I can tell. I don't go for the kiss. Kind of wish I had have though, tbh. Just in case I read it wrong, although i'm usually right tbh. Her friend calls her and she leaves and tells me to add her on fb.

So basically, one harsh rejection, one close call, and one short encounter with familiar face.
Woke up with a message from the last girl, and a friend request from the other girl (apparently her friend added me on her behalf after getting my surname from my friend lol)

My journal : https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-57783.html
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