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(05-01-2019 12:00 AM)UniversalMen Wrote:  I would recommend not drinking so much that it begins to affect your game. I see that as a reoccurring theme in your posts.

Noted lol. I'm trying to work on that. Such a strong drinking culture here doesn't help, but most nights recently i've found myself drinking a little less so i'm trying

I'm still trying to get them 2 interactions kind of 'settled' in my head. I need some closure lol

I think with the bar girl (prior bang) as you say, lots of call-back humour etc would have been wise. Also less over-thinking in terms of her perceived lack of interest (which was mainly due to her lack of replies to my texts since we banged)
I should have used more callback humour and just tried to flirt more in general I think, but I think I found myself playing it too call too avoid rejection?

With the hot MMA teen in truth, I DO think a lay would have been unlikely due to it being a Sunday, she probably had college or something in the morning, probably lived with her parents, I was out of town, she had lots of friends with her. I think everything was against me.

However, still annoyed at how it played out because it would have been in my top 3 I think!. I think my main mistake was not basically at least trying for the pull and basically inviting myself to her place or whatever (which has worked before). I think my state dropped a little because 1/she seemed to not be 100% into the kiss 2/the fact that all I could think was '''Shit, am I gonna have to wait around in the cold until like 6am to get a train back!! Grrr....and why did my wing leave?? How much is a cab gonna cost me? £100+?? Ahhh...'' and so my state dropped. I became too withdrawn and I think I stopped being fun if i'm completely honest Sad

I'm also a moron for not taking her number when she offered it earlier in the night. Fact is, I do go to that town from time to time and it would have given me a 5% chance at banging her instead of it's current 0%! D'oh

But this sort of post helps me I think. I'm someone who needs to have things clear in his mind of why things didn't work out!

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(04-30-2019 04:43 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  
(04-30-2019 03:45 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  dude how do you not get disheartened when you get rejected? I go out and if the first girl gives me a harsh rejection it pretty much fucks me for the ENTIRE night, sometimes even the whole weekend!!

How tall are you and what is your face rating? Im 4/10(maybe even a 3.5) and 6 foot tall.

I DO get disheartened. Sure i've mentioned that in some of the posts in this journal lol. Seems to vary just how much, though. Some nights I probably do give up after a few rough rejections, but some nights I can just keep going. Probably variables i'm unnaware of determine why that happens

I'm short. Maybe 5'8 I think? Face isn't very good either although can't deny that from time to time, a hot girl will seem to think i'm OK looking (such as the teen the other night! I still messed up somehow, though lol). I'd give myself a 5 facially, I think

Damn only 5'8 and average face. Your game must be real good, I figured you were taller and better looking. Nothing but props.
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This might seem harsh, however:

You seem like the most normal, boring guy on the planet.

You're a single, British man in his 30s who regularly gets drunk with his normal mates, goes out trying to pick up girls and then hangs out at your normal, uninteresting job 9-5. You have no particular talent or hobby so you spend a lot of time reading about Game. You're charming and nice in your normal social circle as you're often best man. But you're still like 2.3mn other men in Britain. Every woman you approach in Britain recognises this in 0.6seconds of sizing you up.

3 years of this thread and nothing has changed.

To borrow from Tony Robbins (not an endorsement, but it's a good line), real improvement requires massive, drastic, purposeful change in your life.

If you were really serious about pick up, game and improving your life, you'd have left Britain and moved to a better country, or made a huge investment in an activity or hobby that takes proper grit and determination. You'd have made a change in your life that means that you don't constantly need to acquiesce to your normal mates' behaviour - this is what's holding you back. You're not the Alpha in your environment, the social roles were established decades ago, so you're not getting the girls, it's not your role.

"I was getting great feedback but I had to leave the bar because my mates were". "Drinking 13 pints is bad for sex but it's completely normal / middle of the bell curve for British men to down 13 pints and then not have peak performance in bed, so haha who cares". You could be an alpha if you didn't prioritise your current social role in your circle in Britain.

You're using this forum as an outlet to justify your behaviour as 'Game', as if you're progressing. You're not. You're just another normal, boring, honest piece of furniture in society. And it seems that you really like it.

Make a change in your life, ditch the ingrained depression that your social circle radiates (see how much better life was when you left and were around those American soldiers?) and do something that makes you a person that women/people in general would find interesting. Will you though? The mates and beers and free internet access are too comfortable right?

At the moment you're just a nice guy who the girls secretly feel sorry for because your dreams of being a lady killer are stamped on your forehead for every chick you approach to see, but you're too cowardly to become the man that they hope approaches them.
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(05-01-2019 06:52 PM)outback Wrote:  This might seem harsh, however:

You seem like the most normal, boring guy on the planet.

You're a single, British man in his 30s who regularly gets drunk with his normal mates, goes out trying to pick up girls and then hangs out at your normal, uninteresting job 9-5. You have no particular talent or hobby so you spend a lot of time reading about Game. You're charming and nice in your normal social circle as you're often best man. But you're still like 2.3mn other men in Britain. Every woman you approach in Britain recognises this in 0.6seconds of sizing you up.

3 years of this thread and nothing has changed.

To borrow from Tony Robbins (not an endorsement, but it's a good line), real improvement requires massive, drastic, purposeful change in your life.

If you were really serious about pick up, game and improving your life, you'd have left Britain and moved to a better country, or made a huge investment in an activity or hobby that takes proper grit and determination. You'd have made a change in your life that means that you don't constantly need to acquiesce to your normal mates' behaviour - this is what's holding you back. You're not the Alpha in your environment, the social roles were established decades ago, so you're not getting the girls, it's not your role.

"I was getting great feedback but I had to leave the bar because my mates were". "Drinking 13 pints is bad for sex but it's completely normal / middle of the bell curve for British men to down 13 pints and then not have peak performance in bed, so haha who cares". You could be an alpha if you didn't prioritise your current social role in your circle in Britain.

You're using this forum as an outlet to justify your behaviour as 'Game', as if you're progressing. You're not. You're just another normal, boring, honest piece of furniture in society. And it seems that you really like it.

Make a change in your life, ditch the ingrained depression that your social circle radiates (see how much better life was when you left and were around those American soldiers?) and do something that makes you a person that women/people in general would find interesting. Will you though? The mates and beers and free internet access are too comfortable right?

At the moment you're just a nice guy who the girls secretly feel sorry for because your dreams of being a lady killer are stamped on your forehead for every chick you approach to see, but you're too cowardly to become the man that they hope approaches them.

Dude this guy IS getting laid and making things happen. And he has friends to go out with!! Many 30 somethings have ZERO friends and are going out solo.

Why do you want him to make "drastic changes" and leave his country? So he can go somehwere he doesnt know the language, or culture, or have any friends and not see his family?
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(05-01-2019 06:52 PM)outback Wrote:  This might seem harsh, however:

You seem like the most normal, boring guy on the planet.

You're a single, British man in his 30s who regularly gets drunk with his normal mates, goes out trying to pick up girls and then hangs out at your normal, uninteresting job 9-5. You have no particular talent or hobby so you spend a lot of time reading about Game. You're charming and nice in your normal social circle as you're often best man. But you're still like 2.3mn other men in Britain. Every woman you approach in Britain recognises this in 0.6seconds of sizing you up.

3 years of this thread and nothing has changed.

To borrow from Tony Robbins (not an endorsement, but it's a good line), real improvement requires massive, drastic, purposeful change in your life.

If you were really serious about pick up, game and improving your life, you'd have left Britain and moved to a better country, or made a huge investment in an activity or hobby that takes proper grit and determination. You'd have made a change in your life that means that you don't constantly need to acquiesce to your normal mates' behaviour - this is what's holding you back. You're not the Alpha in your environment, the social roles were established decades ago, so you're not getting the girls, it's not your role.

"I was getting great feedback but I had to leave the bar because my mates were". "Drinking 13 pints is bad for sex but it's completely normal / middle of the bell curve for British men to down 13 pints and then not have peak performance in bed, so haha who cares". You could be an alpha if you didn't prioritise your current social role in your circle in Britain.

You're using this forum as an outlet to justify your behaviour as 'Game', as if you're progressing. You're not. You're just another normal, boring, honest piece of furniture in society. And it seems that you really like it.

Make a change in your life, ditch the ingrained depression that your social circle radiates (see how much better life was when you left and were around those American soldiers?) and do something that makes you a person that women/people in general would find interesting. Will you though? The mates and beers and free internet access are too comfortable right?

At the moment you're just a nice guy who the girls secretly feel sorry for because your dreams of being a lady killer are stamped on your forehead for every chick you approach to see, but you're too cowardly to become the man that they hope approaches them.

I disagree completely with what you've said.

This guy isn't like the rest of any group of guys in Britain. Read the beginning of his thread and compare him to his current self. It's night and day. I routinely check in on this thread and I find his successes motivating. He just got three new notches in a single week. How many people do you know that can say the same?

The guy likes to have a drink on a night out. That's no different than what I used to do when I ran nightgame. The fact that he's 5'8 and of average looks makes his feats all the more impressive.

Making rookie mistakes and feeling clueless with women even after some time in the game is a real thing; I sometimes feel the same way.

This is one of my motivation threads.
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(05-01-2019 03:12 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  Noted lol. I'm trying to work on that. Such a strong drinking culture here doesn't help, but most nights recently i've found myself drinking a little less so i'm trying

I'm still trying to get them 2 interactions kind of 'settled' in my head. I need some closure lol

I think with the bar girl (prior bang) as you say, lots of call-back humour etc would have been wise. Also less over-thinking in terms of her perceived lack of interest (which was mainly due to her lack of replies to my texts since we banged)
I should have used more callback humour and just tried to flirt more in general I think, but I think I found myself playing it too call too avoid rejection?

With the hot MMA teen in truth, I DO think a lay would have been unlikely due to it being a Sunday, she probably had college or something in the morning, probably lived with her parents, I was out of town, she had lots of friends with her. I think everything was against me.

However, still annoyed at how it played out because it would have been in my top 3 I think!. I think my main mistake was not basically at least trying for the pull and basically inviting myself to her place or whatever (which has worked before). I think my state dropped a little because 1/she seemed to not be 100% into the kiss 2/the fact that all I could think was '''Shit, am I gonna have to wait around in the cold until like 6am to get a train back!! Grrr....and why did my wing leave?? How much is a cab gonna cost me? £100+?? Ahhh...'' and so my state dropped. I became too withdrawn and I think I stopped being fun if i'm completely honest Sad

I'm also a moron for not taking her number when she offered it earlier in the night. Fact is, I do go to that town from time to time and it would have given me a 5% chance at banging her instead of it's current 0%! D'oh

But this sort of post helps me I think. I'm someone who needs to have things clear in his mind of why things didn't work out!

I understand the drinking culture there. I have cousins in Hounslow that I hang out with whenever I'm in the UK, and these guys can drink! I sit there, with my 1-pint, in amazement of how much alcohol they can consume in just an hour!

Whenever I feel like I'm losing the girl during the conversation, I quietly stare into her eyes, not intensely, just with a relaxed manner and watch them try to figure out what I'm thinking about. If you start to look around while she's looking around, it'll get awkward fast. Maybe, try to get her excited about something, anything that'll get her attention.

I don't recommend this for every conversation but going off of what Roosh says about watching Seinfeld because of the random conversation topics that they have with each other, well, you too, can utilize similar techniques. Anyways, one conversation that has been received well by the majority of the girls I bring it up with is: Talking about how toilet paper has not changed since it's conception. Funny, right? Well, it has always been thin layers of paper rolled up on a cardboard tube, for how long? Who knows but what we do know is, that it will always be the same for as long as we live. Try that next time. If you're curious to watch that particular episode and it's a hilarious episode, look it up on Hulu (Season 6, episode 22) it's brought up within the first two minutes of the episode, and hopefully, that'll bring life back to the conversation and you go from there.

(05-01-2019 06:52 PM)outback Wrote:  At the moment you're just a nice guy who the girls secretly feel sorry for because your dreams of being a lady killer are stamped on your forehead for every chick you approach to see, but you're too cowardly to become the man that they hope approaches them.

First of all, you sound like a troll.

Secondly, where do you get off on thinking that Sub needs to move to a different country to increase his notch count? He has his reasons for staying in the UK and it's entirely up to his discretion on whether or not to pursue poon there. He's going through the grind, hardly ever bitches about his failures, learns from his failures, is creative and does his due diligence to push through the bullshit. Sub is doing God's work in a place that's so hostile towards men. He gets mad props from me! Sub, I'm giving you a +1-Rep for your hard work!

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Wasn't gonna reply to this because last time I replied to someone who I instinctively assumed was a troll (as Universal man also suspects), I wasted time writing a long reply and it turned out I was right, he was a troll, and he was banned like 2 days later and probably never even saw my reply lol

(05-01-2019 06:52 PM)outback Wrote:  You seem like the most normal, boring guy on the planet

I wish you'd say what you really mean! Smile

(05-01-2019 06:52 PM)outback Wrote:  If you were really serious about pick up, game and improving your life, you'd have left Britain and moved to a better country, or made a huge investment in an activity or hobby that takes proper grit and determination

I'm not so serious about my notch count that i'm going to move country lol.I know that I could bang hundreds and hundreds of girls easily if I went to live in Asia, but yeah, not for me. Hell, I could even just pay h00kers! Not sure what getting new hobbies has to do with anything lol. Not sure i've even mentioned my other hobbies. Irrelevant to the thread tbh

(05-01-2019 06:52 PM)outback Wrote:  You're just another normal, boring, honest piece of furniture in society. And it seems that you really like it.

Had to quote that bit as the emboldened part genuinely made me snigger

(05-01-2019 06:52 PM)outback Wrote:  (see how much better life was when you left and were around those American soldiers?)

I was on Holiday dude. Of course life was good for that week!! lol

I'm not looking to argue, though tbh. I feel like you're suggesting I move to the philipines and try to become a famous rockstar so that i don't have to cold approach girls or something. I'm sure you mean well. Thanks for posting. It's all good. But probably best we just agree to disagree and end our dialogue here lol

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I'm not trolling - just disappointed that you think this is Game.

You're a socially-adjusted, single British man that goes out and drinks with his friends..... and you journal this.

It's like watching Tuesday 6pm news.

I'll read other threads from now on.
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It's the hitting on girls part that we call 'game' here lol. Cold approach. Trying to bang hot young girls
If I, instead, just journaled stuff about my hobbies and about me trying to get rich or whatever or about me moving to Korea and trying to build a new social circle where I was somehow the big alpha dog, nobody other than you would call that 'game' or be interested (at least in the 'game' part of the forum) tbh
Have you not read any other game journals? That's what it is! People documenting their approaches! You seem to be confused lol.
Nobody here (other than you?) would say 'good game!!' if someone wrote a post about how they done really good that day at rock climbing

Maybe you're thinking of the 'lifestyle' part of the forum though? Who knows
No big deal
Good luck

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Whether OP saw this as good advice for him, I've got to say this really motivated me.

I am also a 5'8 guy, 30 years old, but in Australia. I have not developed anything that has made me stand out as anything but distinctly average.

I am wasting too many of my days, weeks, months.

Yes I can likely get laid with 5s and newly arrived immigrants, but I'm not living a compelling life.

A life of mediocrity is so easy to slip into today. If I want to be making a location independent income (from writing, no less), I need to be extraordinary.

I think there are a lot of harsh truths in what you said for a lot of guys.

(05-01-2019 06:52 PM)outback Wrote:  This might seem harsh, however:

You seem like the most normal, boring guy on the planet.

You're a single, British man in his 30s who regularly gets drunk with his normal mates, goes out trying to pick up girls and then hangs out at your normal, uninteresting job 9-5. You have no particular talent or hobby so you spend a lot of time reading about Game. You're charming and nice in your normal social circle as you're often best man. But you're still like 2.3mn other men in Britain. Every woman you approach in Britain recognises this in 0.6seconds of sizing you up.

3 years of this thread and nothing has changed.

To borrow from Tony Robbins (not an endorsement, but it's a good line), real improvement requires massive, drastic, purposeful change in your life.

If you were really serious about pick up, game and improving your life, you'd have left Britain and moved to a better country, or made a huge investment in an activity or hobby that takes proper grit and determination. You'd have made a change in your life that means that you don't constantly need to acquiesce to your normal mates' behaviour - this is what's holding you back. You're not the Alpha in your environment, the social roles were established decades ago, so you're not getting the girls, it's not your role.

"I was getting great feedback but I had to leave the bar because my mates were". "Drinking 13 pints is bad for sex but it's completely normal / middle of the bell curve for British men to down 13 pints and then not have peak performance in bed, so haha who cares". You could be an alpha if you didn't prioritise your current social role in your circle in Britain.

You're using this forum as an outlet to justify your behaviour as 'Game', as if you're progressing. You're not. You're just another normal, boring, honest piece of furniture in society. And it seems that you really like it.

Make a change in your life, ditch the ingrained depression that your social circle radiates (see how much better life was when you left and were around those American soldiers?) and do something that makes you a person that women/people in general would find interesting. Will you though? The mates and beers and free internet access are too comfortable right?

At the moment you're just a nice guy who the girls secretly feel sorry for because your dreams of being a lady killer are stamped on your forehead for every chick you approach to see, but you're too cowardly to become the man that they hope approaches them.
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(05-02-2019 04:07 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  Whether OP saw this as good advice for him, I've got to say this really motivated me.

I am also a 5'8 guy, 30 years old, but in Australia. I have not developed anything that has made me stand out as anything but distinctly average.

I am wasting too many of my days, weeks, months.

Yes I can likely get laid with 5s and newly arrived immigrants, but I'm not living a compelling life.

A life of mediocrity is so easy to slip into today. If I want to be making a location independent income (from writing, no less), I need to be extraordinary.

I think there are a lot of harsh truths in what you said for a lot of guys.

(05-01-2019 06:52 PM)outback Wrote:  This might seem harsh, however:

You seem like the most normal, boring guy on the planet.

You're a single, British man in his 30s who regularly gets drunk with his normal mates, goes out trying to pick up girls and then hangs out at your normal, uninteresting job 9-5. You have no particular talent or hobby so you spend a lot of time reading about Game. You're charming and nice in your normal social circle as you're often best man. But you're still like 2.3mn other men in Britain. Every woman you approach in Britain recognises this in 0.6seconds of sizing you up.

3 years of this thread and nothing has changed.

To borrow from Tony Robbins (not an endorsement, but it's a good line), real improvement requires massive, drastic, purposeful change in your life.

If you were really serious about pick up, game and improving your life, you'd have left Britain and moved to a better country, or made a huge investment in an activity or hobby that takes proper grit and determination. You'd have made a change in your life that means that you don't constantly need to acquiesce to your normal mates' behaviour - this is what's holding you back. You're not the Alpha in your environment, the social roles were established decades ago, so you're not getting the girls, it's not your role.

"I was getting great feedback but I had to leave the bar because my mates were". "Drinking 13 pints is bad for sex but it's completely normal / middle of the bell curve for British men to down 13 pints and then not have peak performance in bed, so haha who cares". You could be an alpha if you didn't prioritise your current social role in your circle in Britain.

You're using this forum as an outlet to justify your behaviour as 'Game', as if you're progressing. You're not. You're just another normal, boring, honest piece of furniture in society. And it seems that you really like it.

Make a change in your life, ditch the ingrained depression that your social circle radiates (see how much better life was when you left and were around those American soldiers?) and do something that makes you a person that women/people in general would find interesting. Will you though? The mates and beers and free internet access are too comfortable right?

At the moment you're just a nice guy who the girls secretly feel sorry for because your dreams of being a lady killer are stamped on your forehead for every chick you approach to see, but you're too cowardly to become the man that they hope approaches them.

You're letting an obvious troll hit a nerve and identifying with him as a result. His trolling has affected you.

Take what you will from the troll post, but you can only speak for yourself on this, not for subterfuge. The difference in game required to bang 5s vs banging 8s is huge.

It's a common thing for guys who get laid to be put down by others for what they do. I've experienced this myself. If you get laid more than someone else you have nothing to prove to them.
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dude I honestly don't think he's a troll.

I haven't read subterfuge blogs but I think what outback says speaks to a lot of guys in the west.

I mean, I can understand living in London/Melbourne etc if you really need to.

but if you're just knocking down pints with people who annoy you, why not get out and see the world?

I absolutely don't speak for subterfuge
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Whether Outback is a proper troll or not is almost irrelevant; the post was unsolicited and very out of place in this thread. In case it isn't clear (which apparently it isn't), this thread documents Sub's development into a Game pro. He has a clear objective and has obviously made substantial progress towards it. If you take more than 90 seconds to read beyond checking if he got the bang or not in every FR, you'll see that he has read a lot of Game literature and has clearly learned techniques from the masters. It's naive to just assume Sub's self-education stopped at learning routines and he's not at least considered the wider implications of what it means to be a man - after all, it's what Roosh himself has been talking about for years.

As far as I'm considered, Sub's set a goal to get good in a notoriously difficult country for Game, and is doing well at a challenging task. I'm yet to see any of Outback's achievements, so who is he to judge?
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(08-23-2016 12:14 PM)polar Wrote:  You might not be clear with your intent, pacing them, and not establishing a time constraint.

Intent: is she clear that you are hitting on her, or at least not trying to sell her some shit or whisk her away to a dark alley?

Pacing: are you jumping straight in to talking to her, or are you prefacing that to get her attention and snap out of whatever you were thinking about:
"excuse me, (catch her eye, wave her down) hey, girl in the white dress...(she realizes someone wants her attention, snaps out of daydreaming, becomes alert)
... phew, (smile), I just ran over here, give me a second...(make it clear you're not a nuisance)
...ok, do you have a quick second, I need to tell you something, I know this is a little odd but I'll say it anyway...(stop her, get her full attention, make her intrigued)
<strong eye contact, deliver your opener>

This is the more direct "London" school of day game. Condense this a bit, but the point is you shouldn't just drop in on her and go straight to the opener.

Time constraint: More with night game than day, but basically early on bring up the fact that you're on the way to (X) like meeting your friend and "I only have a few minutes" if she's on guard - the goal being so she isn't like "when will this creeper leave, how will I get rid of him"

Replying to an older thread here, thanks for this tip!

I might try it in my next cold approach - do a five seconds pace before “I just wanna say hi” it might just work, cos sometimes girls get shocked when I open directly with “I just want to know you”
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RE: subterfuge journal
(10-13-2018 03:44 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  Mate, i'd love to come to the US! Just it's too rich for my blood. Flights and stuff.
I've been a few times, though. Vegas 2 years back was the most recent. Plus a few other places before that.
I wasn't really into 'game' then, but I can say that the reaction you get from approaching strangers in general when in the US is like night and day compared to the UK!
I don't even think it's the accent (although it likely helps!)
It's like people in the US are trained to be polite to strangers and talk back.
I've noticed this in every city i've been too in the US.
US: me- ''Hi, I'm Jack!''
Her- ''Hi, Jack! I'm Stacey. How are you?''

UK: me- ''Hi, I'm Jack!''
Her- *stares at you with a mixture of confusion/fear/contempt* She'll POSSIBLY say 'hi' back (50/50), but the chances of her
volunteering her name are about 5%

Age of consent is 16 here. She shouldn't have been in the bar, though (drinking age is 18, but i'm pretty sure she was banging one of the bouncers or somthing)

I think it’s lesser of a UK being close than US being open. I am guessing some parts of western and Northern Europe are worse. I’d say it might be easier to strike up a conversation with a Londoner than a Swede or German. I might be wrong as I have not game extensively in UK.

Another point is that if most US people are easier to chat up does it blur the line of who’s open for game and who’s simply just trying to be friendly.
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I'm out the Suspension pen.

to those who automatically cry troll, here's Schopenhauer:

"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

There's no progress without uncomfortable feelings. Tough love is still love.
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Outback sounds somewhat misanthropic and overly judgemental in his opinion. Frankly, naive and idealistic. His is an opinion, nonetheless.

There's nothing wrong - rather, to the contrary - with being average, socially adjusted, law abiding citizen and a member of a society who is respecting the norms and understanding duties and obligations of a social contract.

In fact, being an average is just fine. Average citizens are a backbone of a properly functioning society - all those coal mine workers, doctors, engineers, customer service assistant, accountants and teachers are folks who through their "boring" 9 till 5 jobs and paying taxes deserve just as much respect as an accomplished film director, actor or a musician. In fact, I can make a case that the former bring more value to the society, than the latter. It's too much individualistic U.S. driven (through pop-culture, mostly) propaganda that being "special" makes you "better" person than others. Some boring, day in, day out toilsome jobs led to seminal and incredible advances - think transistor, for example. It spawned revolution the world over worth, in economic terms, trillions of dollars of yearly economic output. Whereas the superficial "unique" people, usually of artistic type, created, what - a film worth an Oscar? Give me a break. Only on the backbone of the humdrum activities and "boring" work of an average citizen we have been able to keep progress apace, develop the technology, and the sciences which led to today's prosperity.

One should not look outside in order to pursue jobs, hobbies or other activities just because a populace at large finds activities X, Y, or Z en vogue at some particular place in particular time - that's a recipe for disaster. Subterfuge went down a path of achieving more in a particular domain, than most men. His choice is congruent with evolutionary directive. He's consistent and persistent in his goal. Whether the goal is to be interpreted as average man's endeavour or not, is irrelevant. That is not to say, a critical and introspective approach to oneself is of little value. Clearly, there are better and worse decisions and actions to be taken along the path to the established goal. There's almost always a space for improvement in domains one deems as important to oneself. But being average person and taking actions so as to reach a goal (however statistically deviating from the norm) are not mutually exclusive. After all, it's a matter of perspective (or dear I say, relativity) - once everyone climbs Mount Everest, it won't be a unique fit anymore. An average, at best, me thinks.

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