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Netflix new documentary: Amanda Knox. Discussion.
Just watched this last night. It was completely different to what i thought as have happened as painted by the media (the sex game gone wrong type etc..).

The show:
Basically gives a story of her before and after the event, the 2 trials, the appeals, etc. She actually spoke direct to the camera, in a quite emotional way.

The show mocks the Italian justice system, the insufficiency of the DNA evidence, and that the prosecutors could have done what they wanted, (beat her up, mental torture, lock her up and not let her sleep until she breaks down, etc). Under this pressure she then started accusing another guy (the bar owner), which further complicated the situation and made them not believe her.

In assessing whether or not she was guilty. After watching the movie, there are a couple of points that needs attention:

1. The knife.
They had some parts of Meredith's DNA on that knife, which was deemed incompatible with the majority of the wounds except one. Now, was this framing her? because they went into Raffael's house and found this knife, but later the investigators said the wounds are not compatible. So if that wasn't the knife, then the evidence is not valid.

2. She was trailed 2 times for 2 different motifs.
first was the sex game gone wrong story, which was later revoked as they said it was not compatible with Meredith's personality (of course it wasn't, it was obvious she was a good girl). The second trial they blamed the motif as an argument she had with the roommate over money. Now, this alone by itself, may be ok. But they specifically said that she DID NOT act alone. Where did they get this assumption? we don't know, it was not disclosed.

(A guess is that because the number of wounds would have been too many for a single person to do,(46 or something) and the fact that Guede's DNA was also in the room. Raffael's DNA was on the bra but this could easily been contaminated as it was found 36 days later and they messed up with technical part of the investigation)

Arguing over money and then suddenly there is a multi person murder? Usually money matters call for a 1 to 1 solution or escalation, very rarely it is a multi-person to single-person event. Think about the times where you had argument over money with your friends. This brings to the 3rd point of attention.

3. They were adamant that she did not act alone.
They had put the 3 of them in 2 separate trails, something also very strange, considering that the 3 must have done it together if they are all trailed for murder.

Now, here is the thing (and common sense) that most people should remember. She and her 'boyfriend' had only met each other 7 days before the murder. From my experience, most people who had known the girl/guy for that short amount of time would very very RARELY do something like murder together as we are not even sure about the other person, let alone commit this sort of thing together after only 7 days knowing each other... Think about the times where you met a girl for 7 days only, you barely know her, is it likely that you go along with something like this? just common sense...

4. Its really about 2 versions of events. Guede vs those 2.
The media had focused on entirely on Knox. try finding a video on Guede and I only could find one interview he did (in Italian). Now, Guede had originally been saying (through the skype conversation with his friend) that he was in the bathroom and he heard a scream and then he saw a man, Italian man, who fought with him, and then ran away, adding that Amanda was NOT there. Later on he changed his version after being caught, to saying Amanda was 110% there, but he didn't see her, he heard her, and also saw a man, but did not identify him as Raffael.

5. Is Guede's story believable?
you have to take into account of 3 things.
a) he admitted that he was at the scene and tried to stop the bleeding with a towel. That's why his DNA was in the room. (he even said he tried to understand what Meredith was saying by writing blood on the wall). I thought about this, but could not come to a conclusion wether a normal person would do that or not. He said she was trying to tell him something. (making everything sound mysterious again). But lets go on to the next part which begs for thinking...

b) he was later found out to be going to a night club after the murder, (after seeing Meredith and try cover her up with towel and after writing with blood on the wall even...) Now, what kind of person would go to a nightclub before running away after something like this? An average guy would either just 1) run away or 2) call the police. An average guy would probably scared and just run away, but he didn't do it immediately, he went to a nightclub... Is this something a mentally healthy guy would do?

c) he said he saw a man, and he shouted 'black man found', from watching Raffael's personality on the show, it doesn't seem like he would shout something like this.

6. Guede's new twist making it a mysery again.
Now, Guede has just sought to have a new trial. This in the US would have been suicide, as he was trailed for with ACCOMPLICE before (only 16 years right now), if he's on this new trial and the 2 have been acquitted now, this means he would be on the trail for sole murder. He's taking a big gamble on this and making the public even more confused as to why he would do this hence the question over Amanda and Raffale is still not closed. People are going to start suspecting the pair again. He's now accusing Amanda being there, and also claiming innocence.

To me this is just Guede trying to mock the Italian justice system. He now have seen 2 people got free because of insufficient evidence, he now sees how incompetent these prosecutors, investigators and judges are. And he thinks: hold on a minute, maybe i can get away too... I had my DNA in the room, but was because i arrived at the scene after, it doesn't prove anything... These people can't do anything to me.

What surprised me is the amount of public reaction to trying to convict her guilty. Everyone seems absolutely convinced, (at least in Europe) that she did it. You had people standing outside the courtroom shouting 'we will get her next time' as if they really know what happened and examined the evidence. Its this mentality that she 'needs to be hunted and tracked down' as we think she's guilty and she cant get away with that. Maybe this is what media does to you. Mystery sells.
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10-01-2016 11:56 PM
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RE: Netflix new documentary: Amanda Knox. Discussion.
American woman in Italy gets accused of murder: "You need actual proof, beyond reasonable doubt, to convict!"

American college male gets accused of rape: "We aren't convicting enough people!"
10-02-2016 12:55 AM
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RE: Netflix new documentary: Amanda Knox. Discussion.
My conclusion is that there is no way Rafalle would be guilty. It's just not plausible that ANYONE would go on murder with a girl he just met 7 days before. Rafalle had also no motif. Killing someone because some random girl is disputing with her roommate about money, really?

If Rafalle is not guilty, then it's either Guede himself alone, or Guede and Amanda together, or Amanda alone. But Guede said he saw a man, though he did not name Raffale. Why did he say that? That warrants some thinking. Is he saying that because the authorities told everyone it was a multi person murder? If it was just Amanda, and Guede came on the scene later, he didn't need to include Rafael. If it was Amanda alone, then why did Raffale need to say she was with him and protect her, considering he's only known her for 7 days?
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RE: Netflix new documentary: Amanda Knox. Discussion.
This story made it big, worldwide, because Amanda Knox (WB, but would lock the kitchen door before) is quite seriously hot, also blonde and American. So everybody, including the police and prosecutors, got excited (thirst is very real in the police) and wanted to use her to get into the spotlights.

Apart from her sidekick appearance in this story, it's just a classic, denied-sex rage murder by a Sub-Saharan migrant, and sadly, stories like that, we have tons of them in Europe...

The Guede migrant (or adopted, can't remember) dude is now trying to get renewed and even, heightened media attention, because, what he fears the most is not Italian prisons, it's being released poor and forgotten. He wants some Hollywood deal: not gonna happen for him, cause he fits the wrong narrative (called, the truth, a narrative Hollywood hates).
10-02-2016 01:42 AM
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RE: Netflix new documentary: Amanda Knox. Discussion.
(10-01-2016 11:56 PM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  (of course it wasn't, it was obvious she was a good girl).

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Is that something that's obvious? Do you read the same forum that I do?

(10-02-2016 01:42 AM)Going strong Wrote:  Apart from her sidekick appearance in this story, it's just a classic, denied-sex rage murder by a Sub-Saharan migrant, and sadly, stories like that, we have tons of them in Europe...

Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best one. I think in this case it's way too well-packaged a narrative.

Quote:What surprised me is the amount of public reaction to trying to convict her guilty. Everyone seems absolutely convinced, (at least in Europe) that she did it.

Europeans are apparently less easily-swayed by a pretty face.
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10-02-2016 02:29 AM
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RE: Netflix new documentary: Amanda Knox. Discussion.
The nasty truth is that without the pressures and blackmails of the witch Secretary of State - now POTUS candidate - and her diplomatic apparatus, this story would have taken a different path.

I vividly remember the days before the Appeal verdict the shitload of issues on the table between Italy-US being questioned in the case Amanda Knox would have had her conviction confirmed (comes to mind the order of several Agusta Westland helicopters from the US administration).
Once the story was artfully twisted towards human rights, feminism, victimhood I knew it was over.
It goes without saying that the accusation of harrassment in her 5 star cell were part of the scheme.
10-02-2016 02:45 AM
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(10-02-2016 02:29 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  
(10-02-2016 01:42 AM)Going strong Wrote:  Apart from her sidekick appearance in this story, it's just a classic, denied-sex rage murder by a Sub-Saharan migrant, and sadly, stories like that, we have tons of them in Europe...

Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best one. I think in this case it's way too well-packaged a narrative.

Yes, "the simplest explanation is the best one": Guede, the Sub-Saharan leeching, unemployed migrant, tried to have sex with chubby 5 Meredith, who denied him: he stabbed her. And fled.

Then thirsty, horny Italian police officers found hot-HB 8 Amanda at the scene, and they held on to her, for several understandable reasons (attention-whoring the media, especially)...

By the way, the Law gives me reason: Guede confessed, was sentenced, case closed.
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RE: Netflix new documentary: Amanda Knox. Discussion.
I didn't read anything that she (Meredith) was into these kind of stuff. All the stuff that we read is her being a nice girl going into this. From her family and stuff I don't see anything of even rebellious nature of that girl.

Yes, agreed Guede is just trying to get Hollywood attention and Stirring up this mystery thing again. Maybe he wants to get a movie too. He did write a book, forgot the name of it.

I don't know if anyone has seen the interview he did on Italian tv rai, it was like he was completely a different dude compared to when he was arrested. He acted like an intellectual. And the Italian media portraying the whole thing was definitely of a different angle.

Amanda's reactions and everything do seem very weird for the whole thing, including the retrials. But the investigations should have not been Focusing on Amanda. She just makes everything more and more complicated.

The one who got involved and shouldn't be is actually Raffale. He should have had no business in all of this.
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10-03-2016 06:01 AM
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Amanda Knox is neither blonde nor an 8 as has been mentioned.
One thing she assuredly is-crazy.
That level of insanity cannot be hidden and you can see it in every single picture of hers.
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Looking at the last pic I am thinking her roommate giving her oral herpes could have been a motive.
This chick was guilty as sin. The Italian justice sysytem didn't pick on her because she was American as the narrative was sold by the US press.
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RE: Netflix new documentary: Amanda Knox. Discussion.
I understand that the current theory by those who believe Knox was involved is that she didn't actually kill Meredith, but helped hold her down while one of the other dudes in the room killed her. It's too bad the Italian police botched the investigation.

Amanda Knox was doing copious amounts of drugs and slutting around big time at the time of the murder. She was likely so numb during the crime that she didn't feel anything as Meridith was killed right in front of her.
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Now her porn star sister, Belle Knox? I could literally hate fuck her to death, and I have never said or thought anything like that ever.
10-03-2016 10:59 AM
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