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Should have invited that insta date girl back to yours, stop over thinking everything. Also wake up at 11am and hit the gym after lunch, you can always take a nap after gym.
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(11-19-2016 12:47 AM)Kangaroo Wrote:  Should have invited that insta date girl back to yours, stop over thinking everything. Also wake up at 11am and hit the gym after lunch, you can always take a nap after gym.

How would you phrase it to invite her back? I thought girls in Poland take 3 dates before you can seal the deal. I'm seeing her in 15 minutes, now I don't know how to get her back to my place for the day 2.
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Day 15:

So I just fucked up my date...

Things started off ok. I was feeling quite nervous but still managed to mask it and everything appeared as normal. I slowly progressed touching with my date. Started with innocent shoulder touches, my leg touching hers, getting closer and closer into her space. I placed my hand behind her seat and then started to touch her back shoulders. I even rubbed it a few times. I grabbed her hand a few times under false pretense to examine the jewellery or her names. I even touched her neck area with the back of my hand to examine her necklace and even touched her thigh with my hand a few times but I could not force myself to go in for the kiss. Things were fine for the first half of the date but then when I started to worry about kissing her, things took a turn for the worst. I didn't know how to do it smoothly and then by the time the second beer rolled around, I started to get tipsy and then started to get drunk when I finished the second beer. I did make suggestions about her coming over to watch a tv show or something but she didn't really bite. Near the end of the date, she said something about "isn't your girlfriend going to mind." and I said "what gf?". I was kind of drunk and it fucked up my cognitive abilities. She's like what happened to your humor and I told her that second beer made me very tipsy. I made one last ditch effort to go for the kiss when we were outside the bar because she said "she thinks I don't want to be there with her anymore or something." I said "no no, gave her a hug and then said come here and tried to go for the kiss but got rejected. She was like not now and when I tried to reschedule for a date she is like we will talk on messenger. FUCK! It took me so fucking long to get a day 2 and I ended up fucking it up too. I can't find a fucking video online on how to smoothly kiss a girl on a date at a bar or something.

I'm so fucking pissed and frustrated right now. Why the fuck can't I ever get this shit done correctly? This is so fucking depressing, I always fuck up when it comes down to the kissing part. I just want to go get that shit out of the way so I don't even have to worry about it anymore.
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Damn man.. that was painful to read:

Why did you drink so much? Did you eat there or before going out? Next time order a water or soda for the second drink if you cant handle the alcohol.

When she questioned your humor and said she feels like you dont want her to be there anymore....... that means you broke frame bigtime.

Why did you even admit you were getting drunk? Thats just not a good look.

WHY WHY WHY did you ask for a second date before the first date was even over... Made you look desperate.

The kiss WAS NOT the problem here.

AT LEAST you got a day 2! One thing done right here..... Time to start over again.
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(11-19-2016 03:16 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Damn man.. that was painful to read:

Why did you drink so much? Did you eat there or before going out? Next time order a water or soda for the second drink if you cant handle the alcohol.

When she questioned your humor and said she feels like you dont want her to be there anymore....... that means you broke frame bigtime.

Why did you even admit you were getting drunk? Thats just not a good look.

WHY WHY WHY did you ask for a second date before the first date was even over... Made you look desperate.

The kiss WAS NOT the problem here.

AT LEAST you got a day 2! One thing done right here..... Time to start over again.

I thought I could handle it. From now on, I ain't drinking more than 1 beer. No, I didn't eat anything before the date. It was probably like 2 hours before the date I last had food. Things were fine for the first half but I kept on thinking about how to kiss the girl on the date and just get that out of the way and the effects of the alcohol started to take over. I'm really pissed off at myself for always self sabotaging my successes. Fuck! I worked so hard to get that day 2 too.
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Earlier in the day before my date I had number closed a chick from Gospoda Koko. My first # close from a restaurant. I grabbed a table as soon as I saw some people leave right before a group of four girls saw it. I saw that they saw me swoop in and take the table before they could grab it so I invited them to come sit down with me. I went and ordered my food and when I came back, I noticed only one of the girls was there so I opened her and asked if the soup on the table was mine, which I quickly transitioned to focus on her. We started to chat and I was slowly building up interest from her by keeping the conversation focused on her but then the other three chicks returned and cockblocked the conversation. The girl who I was talking to was just average looking maybe 5.5 or a 6 but had curly hair and was very tall. I actually didn't notice how tall she was until we left the restaurant. Her friends was a blonde Swede, a fat polish brunette with a cute face, and a somewhat cute looking polish girl with glasses. The girl with the glasses sat beside me on the right while the curly hair girl on my left. I soon opened the one with the glasses and she immediately became hooked into my conversation while the curly hair girl suddenly retreated and became shy and silent. I tried to get the curly hair girl to speak more during the conversation with the one with the glasses. The Swede however was very masculine like and aggressive, wanting to grab all of the attention of the conversation and kept on budding in, while the fat one would drop a word here and there. I could get the sense that the one with the glasses was kind of interested in me based on how many questions she was bombarding me with and how her body language was like. I wasted close to an hour talking to these chicks though and wondered if I was wasting my time that could have better been used to daygame outside. The curly hair girl's birthday was tomorrow and I was hoping that the girls would invite me over to the party or something so I stuck around trying to build more comfort. By the time I finished my food, we all left the restaurant together. I kept glancing down on my watch because I had a date in about 1.5 hours. I wondered what was the correct option. Drop the girls and go approach girls or stick it out hoping to get an invite and grab a number. Upon exiting the restaurant though, I noticed the tall curly haired girl wasn't that good looking while the one with the glasses looked much better so I had my eyes set on her, although the Swede wasn't bad looking neither but had a huge mole on her upper lip.

The girls said they were walking to the main square so invited me to come along with them since I was already going that way. Once we were there, I ran into the Armenian who was working. I told him to let the girls try the Segway and the tall curly haired girl got on it while he tried to instruct her while the girls laughed their asses off. I suppose this would be classified as social proof. Anyways, we continue to walk around the main square and head to Galleria Krakowska. At this point, I'm starting to worry about whether or not I would have enough time to get ready for my date. I was trying to figure out how I was going to grab a number and take off, especially when there was 4 chicks together. I never number closed in a large group before. Upon arriving near the train station, I told the girls I needed to go but that we should hang out sometime. The girl with he glasses naturally stepped forward and say ya, we should exchange contact info. I said sure, and she glances over at her friends and they make this look like as if they are giving her their approval and know what's going on. She then gives me her number and I text her my number. Unfortunately she then tells me we can hang out when she comes back from Russia in one month. Fuck! I just wasted 2 hours on this group with now a useless number. I try to recite all of their names back but forgot the girl with the glasses but nonetheless win brownie points for getting 2-3/4 correct. I then take off and rush home to get ready for my date with the chick who I had an instadate yesterday.

I arrive like 5 minutes late and she's already texting me where I am, which tells me high interest. I arrive and give her a hug and start leading her to Piec Art, a jazz bar that has good seating. I grab a table seat and sit beside her. I notice a somewhat big distance between us so have to slowly maneuver my way closer and closer to her each time. The date started off alright. I was kind of acting like my usual self although I was kind of nervous inside. She asked me a lot of questions and I also asked her some questions as well, it was mainly surface material and I had problems deep diving into deeper topics until like more than half way done my beer. I actually had to consciously force myself to do it otherwise I would have just rambled on about bullshit and not lead the conversation the way I wanted it to. I finally did hit a button about photography though and used that to dive deeper into her motivation for liking it. I also injected some energy and passion into the conversation when I told her about what I wanted to do which made her eyes light up a little bit. We talked a little bit about food and she said she never really tried chinese food so I used that as a excuse to invite her over tomorrow or something so that I could cook her some authentic chinese food which she agreed. She asked me what I was doing tomorrow and I said nothing really and I asked her the same and she said nothing neither. I was thinking ok, she's dtf for tomorrow night.

Unfortunately by the time I was at my second beer, my mental ability was greatly impaired and my nerves started to overtake my thinking. I didn't know how to lead the conversation into something more sexual. I asked her what type of guys she likes and she kind of refused to tell me saying that what usually happens is that guys pretend to be that person she likes. I then told her that it wouldn't work long term and that I think on a subconscious level, we are already drawn to the person we like. I then give her a big speech about how we should aim to become our best version of ourselves. She commented me on my style and how well I dressed and then I told her something like I had to work hard to get to where I was and that I wasn't always like this. Same thing with her studying and speaking English. She's very self conscious about making mistakes so I told her not to worry about it. We talked a bit about sushi and she mentioned she never tried it before so I said alright, lets go grab some sushi after this which she kind of agrees. I explain to her that its raw fish and stuff. We talk a little bit about chopsticks as well and how to use it. Just random bullshit topics. There was one point during the conversation when she mentioned something about not caring about how a person looks on the outside or something so I said she's an adventurious girl or something. She also glanced down on her watch later and said how time was passing by so quickly without her noticing or something.

Somewhere in the middle of my second beer, she notices the words "sex on a beach" on a little sign for a drink and comments on it. I then call her out on it when she says something about the beaches in her city or something. I did however tell her I was quickly getting tipsy and drunk. I think she asked me if I wanted to have her take me home or something, I can't remember. I accused her playfully that she wanted to get me drunk and take advantage of me. It wasn't that smooth though. I also was thinking about trying to get her to come over today but didn't do it too smoothly neither. I mentioned my setup box but then quickly remembered I forgot to lead it correctly by asking her if she likes to watch tv shows and movies and had to retrace my steps. She mentioned some polish show and I asked her what time it would be on and she was like right now. I told her about my cable box and how it had over 700 channels or something but that I needed some help to navigate the control to use it properly. I invited her to come over to watch tv about that show but told her she couldn't stay too long, maybe an hour or something because I had to get up early to do some work. I don't really know what the fuck I was thinking. I was kind of all over the place. I probably shouldn't have even suggested this after inviting her over for Chinese food tomorrow. As you can see, my nerves were really starting to fuck up my ability to think and remain calm.

Near the end of the second beer, I really could not think properly and I think I said a bunch of stupid shit. Also I started to become more and more silent and tired. She said something like "what happened to your humour?" or something which at that point I knew I was giving off a different vibe then I normally projected. I knew I had fucked up at that point. She made some comment about now having a friend to practice English with her something and then said something like "so your gf isn't going to get upset." I couldn't think up anything witty because of my impairment so just said "what gf?". I then decided to try and venue change by bringing up the sushi we talked about earlier but she said she wasn't hungry now. I told her lets go and upon going outside, the date was kind of over. She asked me something like if I didn't want to be there with her or something. I fucking hate that when a girl says that to me. I had that shit happened to me before in the past on a date and that was a very very painful experience because I knew that I just fucked up and lost the girl after that. I tried to reassure and asked her "so when are I going to see you again?" she pauses momentarily and says she might go out with her friends tomorrow and says we'll talk on messenger about it. Gee what happened to coming over for tomorrow night? I then tried to go for the kiss but she turned away and said "no, not right now." She asked if I could walk home by myself and I don't exactly recall what the hell I said. I think I said no or that I would be ok. We departed and I knew I had just blown another opportunity. I couldn't even recognize that I was walking on the wrong street and I was trying to go home.

Lessons learned:
1. Don't drink alcohol on dates or at least no more than 1 drink and then consume something non-alchohol.
2. Don't get fucking nervous on dates but I don't know how the fuck to stop doing this on dates.
3. Learn how to fucking kiss a girl smoothly on dates!

I also kino'ed her a lot from my above posts and I'm pretty sure based on the way I was touching her and my non-verbals she got the idea that I wasn't interested in being friends.

I need to get over this fucking mental block.
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About the group of girl at that restaurant: don't think about it as a waste of time. You were there alone talking to 4 girls you don't know, lasted for quite some time, walked with them after they invited you to do so AND number closed. Even without the number or a future date you already did good and were able to sharpen your conversational skills a bit. Trying to get the other girls involved in talking is a goog thing. I think hour did pretty good there!

As for the date: lesson learned when it comes to alcohol. Now I might be wrong here, but judging by what you said even after you getting tipsy/drunk she still was somewhat interested, asking if you'll make it home all by yourself. From how you described it she wasn't fond of you being kind of intoxicated but I think you should try to save whatever you can by contacting her again. There's nothing more to lose but somehow I feel like she didn't drop you entirely, yet. Just try and see if you can salvage anything. I'd just apoligize about it and tell her you'll make it up to her. Some might say 'beta' but what do you have to lose?

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Destiny,

With regard to lessons learned, all I can say is experience, experience, experience.

Your struggles in these areas should sort themselves out through dating many girls. You can't develop these skills through reading the Forum or watching some Youtube video. Becoming skilled in the Date phase is accomplished through actual experience. There is no substitute. I have been in these situations countless times and I still mistakes, but you should see a progression with an increase of experience.

Geting drunk off 2 beers for an adult male indicates a very low tolerance. Be mindful of this. An inability to control your emotions when drinking is a serious flaw in frame. There is no hard rule on how much you should drink when with a girl. Know yourself and how much you can consume before it impairs your ability to to be get the job done.

You are struggling with qualifying yourself to girls. There is no bigger turn off to a girl than a man who displays a lack of confidence. This should be your number 1 long term goal. You need to sort this out, or it will plague you forever.

Your time was not wasted on chatting up a group of girls prior to the date. If anything, this put you in a more social and teasing kind of mood. Arriving to the date late was the best thing you did (unintentional but you saw the benefit).

Finally, there is no value in beating yourself up. This what the Forum is for Smile.

In all seriousness, it is more productive to set one or two goals to work on for subsequent dates. Keep working on these until you are proficient, then move on to other goals.

I used this very effectively years ago when I would just focus in on something I wanted to improve. For example eye contact or maintaining good body posture. If you focus in on one to two elements, your mind won't be all over the place like it was.

A secondary benefit will be that you won't have a chance to qualify yourself or second-guess yourself. For your next few dates, concentrate on your physical frame-making it the best it can be. You are overwhelmed by all the other Game aspects. After you accomplish this you can move onto another aspect, like Kino or story telling and down the line, Push/Pull. The key is, just one or two aspects. Become a Master at one or two before moving to other aspects.

Best of luck and keep us posted.
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(11-20-2016 08:24 AM)Stimulus Wrote:  About the group of girl at that restaurant: don't think about it as a waste of time. You were there alone talking to 4 girls you don't know, lasted for quite some time, walked with them after they invited you to do so AND number closed. Even without the number or a future date you already did good and were able to sharpen your conversational skills a bit. Trying to get the other girls involved in talking is a goog thing. I think hour did pretty good there!

As for the date: lesson learned when it comes to alcohol. Now I might be wrong here, but judging by what you said even after you getting tipsy/drunk she still was somewhat interested, asking if you'll make it home all by yourself. From how you described it she wasn't fond of you being kind of intoxicated but I think you should try to save whatever you can by contacting her again. There's nothing more to lose but somehow I feel like she didn't drop you entirely, yet. Just try and see if you can salvage anything. I'd just apoligize about it and tell her you'll make it up to her. Some might say 'beta' but what do you have to lose?

Ya I'm planning on contacting her tomorrow and just being like "how's everything going?" and exchanging a few texts to feel her out. If I get the sense she's still interested I'm going to invite her out for some desert and second venue change to sushi and try to repair the damage and if she brings up the previous date I will apologize and joke about me warning her ahead of time that I get drunk easily.
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@destiny...i wouldn't worry too much about the instadate girl. You described her yourself as a 6 at best so just stay FB friends with her for now and re-engage in a couple days. Think of any interesting activity to do that you're almost sure she won't pass up. For example, look up concerts that are playing in the city and tell her that you're going to it and ask her to go. You mentioned her interest in photography, perhaps some artsy show may be more to her liking.

Also, try to approach girls who you think may be out of your league just for the practice. Next time go to a high-end mall and hang around some of the women
stores. Approach the best looking girl you see and talk to her. If you get a soft rejection but can maintain her interest for a minute or two that's almost as good as no rejection and a number close of a mediocre chick.

Finally, have you tried my earlier advice about cafe/bookshop game? there's gotta be a starbucks where you're located, bring a book as a prop and "plop" yourself next to the first attractive girl you see. Since you and her are in a "confined" environment and time is really not an issue try to engage her. Chance of outright rejection will be lower than those direct street approaches of yours.
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Day 16: When I woke up this morning I noticed that I received two matches on tinder. I was abit surprised by this and was even more surprised that one of the chicks was a tall blonde from Lithuania. Very attractive like a 7.5-8, the other was average looking with short hair. I sent both of them a message and surprisingly got a response back right away. The blonde was actually quite receptive and responded quickly. We got talking and I'm thinking alright, let's try "nice guy with some playing around" game and try to build some more rapport instead of my clown game in North America which hasn't helped with online game. Surprisingly it worked really well on her and she even suggested that I add her on facebook and gave me her facebook before I even asked for it. I plan on building a little more rapport on facebook and then asking her out for coffee/tea, etc. After that was done I headed out to my usual place for lunch but it was fucking packed because some people reserved a whole room of tables making seating sparse. I think I wasted close to half an hour looking for seats. I headed down to the rynek to game right after but received a message from that Polish Brit asking me if I wanted to go to salsa lessons with him. I figured why not? I could meet a bunch of chicks and game them. I made my way to some place called Akademia Tańca on the fourth floor or something. There was no elevator. Fucking long ass stair climb up. I joked with the receptionist asking her if there was an elevator because I was breathless coming up the stairs.

I saw 2-3 cuties but nothing special. Most of the women were average looking and the best looking one, a medium height blonde came with her bf. I did spot a tall cute blonde and quickly positioned myself right beside her so that when it was time to do partner work, we would be partners. The class was all in Polish and I didn't know what the fuck the two instructors were saying. When it came to partner work, naturally I partnered with the cute blonde but upon further inspection noticed she had an acne problem and she had no titts and ass either. There really wasn't much opportunity to talk to the girls neither. I think I maybe spoke like 3 words to the blonde before I had to change partners. Just enough for a quick introduction and that was it. I only managed to speak to like 3-4 of the girls there but didn't sense attraction from the blonde. She needed more time to warm up. Surprisingly the most attractive chick who was the blonde with the bf seemed the most receptive to me and had a huge smile on her face when I talked with her and danced. Unfortunately right after the class, most of the girls just bolted out of there. The Polish Brit was also quite surprised by that and had intended to chat them up right after class as did I. The class wasn't bad and I did have some fun with the individual dance portion of the class. I would return back for actually learning the class instead of gaming though. Not very productive for gaming and would require a lot of time to game the girls.

After that me and the Polish Brit stopped by a pierogi restaurant because he was hungry. We talked a bit and bonded a little like bros before heading off to the Rynek again so that we could game. I gave him a few pointers and then sent him off to try it while I did the same. I did a few warm up sets but there wasn't many single girls around. A lot of groups and families though. On my third set, I opened a tall blonde with a slightly above average face, a 6 maybe with an indirect opener. She wasn't very keen on asking me any personal questions but surprisingly we had a long ass conversation I think more than 10-15 minutes. The Polish Brit later commented that it was a very long conversation and that everything looked good from afar. The girl didn't ask me any personal questions even though I was dropping hints left and right so when she said she was going to go now, I didn't even bother to ask for a number or anything.

This took quite a bit of energy out of me, trying to maintain the conversation and ramble up and up for several minutes. I soon got a message from the Polish Brit saying he's going back to salsa to attend another lesson. I told him I was just going to stay here and later head to Galleria Krakowska to game. I didn't really see much targets and my approach anxiety soon returned from not opening any targets for too long so I decided to switch venues to the mall. I was very hungry at that point so I grabbed two pieces of pizza and an iced tea but then it fucked up my energy levels when the insulin kicked in and my blood sugar levels took a nosedive. I felt sleepy and tired so I just sat on my ass on a bench for a while. I decided I needed some energy again to game so I went inside of the Carrefour where I saw a chick looking for milk. I asked her if the cartoon was milk and whether or not I would get sick after drinking it since it wasn't in being chilled. She seemed kind of receptive and I probably could have prolonged the conversation but I was lacking in energy so she left the set. I paid for my coke zero and then sat down again and received a message from the Polish Brit that he was coming by. I met up with him and we chatted some more and bonded. He saw a group of 4 really young looking girls who I thought were still in highschool and opened them. They started to speak all in Polish leaving me out of the conversation. After they left he told me there were Ukrainians here for vacation or something and that they were in first year university. While this was happening, I also got 2 new matches on tinder as well. I was like wow, what's going on here. The mall unfortunately was now closing by the time my energy returned so I couldn't even game there.

We headed back to the Rynek to look for some pubs or something to game in but didn't find any good ones. He opened two brits while on the way, one extremely fat one and another older one but they took off in a taxi. He also talked to 3 blondes who said they were from Norway but they kind of brushed him off. I probably should have jumped right in and assisted him but he was cut off after 2-3 sentences.

Later while still looking for targets, he spotted two girls and opened them by saying some shit in Polish. After 5 minutes he switched back to English so that I could join in. I immediately accused him of saying bad things about me in a joking way and asked the girls if I was correct in assuming that which got a few laughs from them. The two girls were Ukrainian and only looked cute at best. My wing was having very dry and boring conversations with the girls, afraid to tease them and joke around and be silly so I had to inject some of that bullshit in. He later mentioned that the girls seemed much more into the conversation once I jumped in and that I was a better conversationalist then him. They started to ask personal questions once I was in the mix and at one point when one of the girls offered me gum but accidentally poured 3 pieces on my hand. I started to tease her and say "hey, what's this? Are you trying to suggest something like I have bad breath or something? You gave me 3 pieces of gum." This got both of them cracking up. Although the girls did ask more a lot more personal questions, especially one girl in particular, I felt the conversation was very dry and surface level material. I kind of got bored and was out of energy to maintain it for too long. Near the end, there started to be pauses. The wing was going on and on, rambling about multiculturalism in London and shit and I'm thinking "dude, that stuff isn't going to get them excited to continue talking to you." The focus needs to be on them and also make it funny and entertaining with some flirting thrown in. We stayed in set for quite a while, maybe at least 20 minutes but then after a few more awkward pauses they said goodbye and left. I didn't even bother trying to number close them because of the lack of interest from the non-verbals. It probably would have been better if after talking for a bit, we each picked a girl to speak to one on one. Unfortunately one of the girls was very quiet and shy, despite me trying to get her more involved in the conversation. I even called her out on it saying she's very shy or something to get her to start qualifying herself to us.

After that was done, we ended up running into the Armenian by accident. He had been messaging me several times when I was trying to game but I needed to focus on the task at hand. We talked a little bit and then headed out for dinner. When I checked on my tinder again though, I noticed one of the matches from earlier today unmatched me. WTF? Gee, if someone doesn't message you right away, I guess the only logical thing to do is unmatch them. We decided to just call it a night after dinner since we were all tired and there wasn't any place good to go tonight.
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(11-20-2016 08:06 PM)TripleG Wrote:  @destiny...i wouldn't worry too much about the instadate girl. You described her yourself as a 6 at best so just stay FB friends with her for now and re-engage in a couple days. Think of any interesting activity to do that you're almost sure she won't pass up. For example, look up concerts that are playing in the city and tell her that you're going to it and ask her to go. You mentioned her interest in photography, perhaps some artsy show may be more to her liking.

Also, try to approach girls who you think may be out of your league just for the practice. Next time go to a high-end mall and hang around some of the women
stores. Approach the best looking girl you see and talk to her. If you get a soft rejection but can maintain her interest for a minute or two that's almost as good as no rejection and a number close of a mediocre chick.

Finally, have you tried my earlier advice about cafe/bookshop game? there's gotta be a starbucks where you're located, bring a book as a prop and "plop" yourself next to the first attractive girl you see. Since you and her are in a "confined" environment and time is really not an issue try to engage her. Chance of outright rejection will be lower than those direct street approaches of yours.

I was thinking about inviting her for sushi and deserts or maybe using the Segway. She mentioned she absolutely loves chocolate and there is a cafe specializing in chocolate. She also said she never tried sushi before nor the segway.

One thing I'm still really struggling with is my fear of using direct openers on chicks. Its not necessarily the attractiveness of the chick that I'm afraid of. I've spoken to a good amount of really attractive women back when I was in Riga so I don't think looks faze me too much. In fact I used a direct opener that day when I used the Segway to pick up chicks and approached an attractive blonde who my Armenian friend said was really hot. Its all the mental crap in my head that's stopping me from doing it. I guess a fear or rejection, a fear of being judged, etc. Once I'm in set and actually finished delivering my opener, I go on autopilot and don't really think too much about the girls looks or anything. I pay more attention to what she tells me and my observations about her body language but its that initial step that's hindering me.

Today I tried to go to a bookstore to buy a book, but all of the books were in Polish and also most of the cafe's were devoid of people. I'm thinking I need to get to these coffee shops earlier instead of waiting until the evening. I think my strategy for tomorrow might be, daygame during the afternoon then in the early evening between 7-9pm hit up a coffee shop/cafe. How would you open the girls though? Sit down near her, wait a few minutes then use an indirect or situational opener? Hey, do you know I can get so and so? Also would it look too obvious if there are a tonne of empty seats but I decide to sit right beside her? Also what if you can't hook the chick and she seems disinterested in talking? Should I just get up and move to a different spot where another chick is seated or just switch to another cafe? I'm thinking it would look obvious if I moved to another seat after speaking with a girl and now stationed myself near another girl.
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(11-20-2016 09:27 AM)Dantes Wrote:  Destiny,

With regard to lessons learned, all I can say is experience, experience, experience.

Your struggles in these areas should sort themselves out through dating many girls. You can't develop these skills through reading the Forum or watching some Youtube video. Becoming skilled in the Date phase is accomplished through actual experience. There is no substitute. I have been in these situations countless times and I still mistakes, but you should see a progression with an increase of experience.

Geting drunk off 2 beers for an adult male indicates a very low tolerance. Be mindful of this. An inability to control your emotions when drinking is a serious flaw in frame. There is no hard rule on how much you should drink when with a girl. Know yourself and how much you can consume before it impairs your ability to to be get the job done.

You are struggling with qualifying yourself to girls. There is no bigger turn off to a girl than a man who displays a lack of confidence. This should be your number 1 long term goal. You need to sort this out, or it will plague you forever.

Your time was not wasted on chatting up a group of girls prior to the date. If anything, this put you in a more social and teasing kind of mood. Arriving to the date late was the best thing you did (unintentional but you saw the benefit).

Finally, there is no value in beating yourself up. This what the Forum is for Smile.

In all seriousness, it is more productive to set one or two goals to work on for subsequent dates. Keep working on these until you are proficient, then move on to other goals.

I used this very effectively years ago when I would just focus in on something I wanted to improve. For example eye contact or maintaining good body posture. If you focus in on one to two elements, your mind won't be all over the place like it was.

A secondary benefit will be that you won't have a chance to qualify yourself or second-guess yourself. For your next few dates, concentrate on your physical frame-making it the best it can be. You are overwhelmed by all the other Game aspects. After you accomplish this you can move onto another aspect, like Kino or story telling and down the line, Push/Pull. The key is, just one or two aspects. Become a Master at one or two before moving to other aspects.

Best of luck and keep us posted.

I 100% agree with your post. I've been telling him "Step by Step" repeatedly.
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Day 17: Its about 7:30pm right now and I'm kind of burnt out. I just came back from trying to do daygame.

I did my usual routine and then hit the market square at around 4pm. I started off with a few warmup sets but got blown off after asking for the time. Things were off to a shaky start. I then transitioned to my indirect openers and hooked a chick in a blue suave coat. She was about a 6.5. She was kind of into the conversation but told me she had to take off before I had enough time to build enough comfort to go for the number. I scanned the rynek but let several prospects slip up. Then I saw an attractive brunette who caught my eye. I hesitated initially as she went in another direction but then she veered towards my path so I knew I had to open her. I used an indirect opener again and we chatted for a while but then she tells me she's in highschool and I'm thinking shit. I ask her how old she is and she says 19 so I'm thinking bingo! We start talking and walking towards the mall because she says she doesn't know where the bus stop is. I try to ask her to hang out but she says she doesn't live near the old town area and instead a 40 minute bus ride. We continue to talk and I try to build some more comfort and we talk about her family like where her parents are from and how many siblings she has. She arrive at the big intersection and she says she's going the other way so I tell her we should hang out next time your hear and she's like if we bump into each other again and I'm like or we can exchange contacts and she's like if we bump into each other again so I said goodbye. I wasted like 15 minutes on this chick. Cute and was brunette, a 7.

Then I headed to the mall. I was determined to now use either indirect-direct or direct openers but kept on letting several prospects pass by and kicking myself. I saw cute blonde seated down and then sat down beside me and whipped out my phone. But the internet was too fucking slow and she ended up talking on her phone and leaving. Then I saw a really cute looking girl 7.5 brunette seated outside of the seating area in front of starbucks. I didn't have a book on me but I did have a bottle of water. The girl was doing her homework or something on the table. There was another dude two seats away as well but I didn't care. I grabbed the seat beside her and then within 2 minutes opened her using my phone as a prop.

me: hey, is there wifi here?
her: leans in and asks me to repeat
me: is there wifi?
her: I don't think so
me: I take out my phone and show her the wifi connection screen in polish
her: she helps me
me: I'm trying to use it to find a bubbletea shop here. Do you know a bubble tea shop?
her: looks confused, and asks me to repeat
me: bubble tea, you know with tea and milk and these chewy tapoica balls
her: doesn't really get it. Asks me to show her on her phone
me: I show her it and try to explain it to her but she didn't really understand. I saw her homework and asks her about it
her: Its not my homework, I'm studying english
me: Oh, so you study English at school?
her: no, its just for me, excuse me, my friend is texting me on my phone. Starts checking her phone

Within 2-3 minutes her friend arrives and they start talking so I leave the set

I scanned the other coffee shops but saw nothing worthwhile. I then make several rounds in the mall, chickening out of every attractive girl that I wanted to approach. There were several security personnel too on each floor which made me even more nervous. After walking around further, I spotted a tall brunette in a leather jacket who I wanted to approach. I hesitated and then she disappeared inside of a store. I was kicking myself and then just slowly walked by then saw her sit down by a bench in front of me so I grabbed a seat beside her and opened her. Unfortunately she barely spoke any English and kept on asking me what and to speak slowly. She soon left after several futile attempts by me to re-engage in the conversation.

I continued to let prospects pass who I really wanted to approach and tell them how attractive I found them but just couldn't do it. Then I spotted an attractive brunette 7.5 seated by the food court looking bored. I did a u turn, bought a drink at mcdonalds and sat right between her and some mexican dude using his laptop.

I opened her within 2 minutes and asked about wifi. She didn't seem very interested in talking to me. I tried to steer the conversation when she told me she wasn't from Krakow. I suggested Warsaw but she didn't even acknowledge it. I think I said something after that but she's like hold on a second and goes on her phone and kind of ignores me. The mexican dude mutters some crap in Spanish and then takes off and I say to her "What was he saying." She just gives me a smile and then goes back to her phone. I wait a few more minutes and try to give it one last effort. I whip out my phone and pretend to have someone call me by accident in polish and I say on the phone "I don't speak Polish, do you speak English?", hoping to get her to initiate a conversation with me but she doesn't even look at me. I finish my drink and then ditch the set. I see more chicks who I want to approach pass me by and I feel fucking horrible for not having the balls to go approach them and tell them how I feel about them. I exit the mall and head back to the Rynek and see 2 attractive brunettes who I really wanted to approach but let them pass me by. God damn it!

I'm going to go take a nap and then head back out again. I'm going to force myself to do at least 1 direct opener before retiring for the night.
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(11-20-2016 08:06 PM)TripleG Wrote:  @destiny...i wouldn't worry too much about the instadate girl. You described her yourself as a 6 at best so just stay FB friends with her for now and re-engage in a couple days. Think of any interesting activity to do that you're almost sure she won't pass up. For example, look up concerts that are playing in the city and tell her that you're going to it and ask her to go. You mentioned her interest in photography, perhaps some artsy show may be more to her liking.

Also, try to approach girls who you think may be out of your league just for the practice. Next time go to a high-end mall and hang around some of the women
stores. Approach the best looking girl you see and talk to her. If you get a soft rejection but can maintain her interest for a minute or two that's almost as good as no rejection and a number close of a mediocre chick.

Finally, have you tried my earlier advice about cafe/bookshop game? there's gotta be a starbucks where you're located, bring a book as a prop and "plop" yourself next to the first attractive girl you see. Since you and her are in a "confined" environment and time is really not an issue try to engage her. Chance of outright rejection will be lower than those direct street approaches of yours.

I was thinking about inviting her for sushi and deserts or maybe using the Segway. She mentioned she absolutely loves chocolate and there is a cafe specializing in chocolate. She also said she never tried sushi before nor the segway.

One thing I'm still really struggling with is my fear of using direct openers on chicks. Its not necessarily the attractiveness of the chick that I'm afraid of. I've spoken to a good amount of really attractive women back when I was in Riga so I don't think looks faze me too much. In fact I used a direct opener that day when I used the Segway to pick up chicks and approached an attractive blonde who my Armenian friend said was really hot. Its all the mental crap in my head that's stopping me from doing it. I guess a fear or rejection, a fear of being judged, etc. Once I'm in set and actually finished delivering my opener, I go on autopilot and don't really think too much about the girls looks or anything. I pay more attention to what she tells me and my observations about her body language but its that initial step that's hindering me.

Today I tried to go to a bookstore to buy a book, but all of the books were in Polish and also most of the cafe's were devoid of people. I'm thinking I need to get to these coffee shops earlier instead of waiting until the evening. I think my strategy for tomorrow might be, daygame during the afternoon then in the early evening between 7-9pm hit up a coffee shop/cafe. How would you open the girls though? Sit down near her, wait a few minutes then use an indirect or situational opener? Hey, do you know I can get so and so? Also would it look too obvious if there are a tonne of empty seats but I decide to sit right beside her? Also what if you can't hook the chick and she seems disinterested in talking? Should I just get up and move to a different spot where another chick is seated or just switch to another cafe? I'm thinking it would look obvious if I moved to another seat after speaking with a girl and now stationed myself near another girl.

"Today I tried to go to a bookstore to buy a book, but all of the books were in Polish and also most of the cafe's were devoid of people. I'm thinking I need to get to these coffee shops earlier instead of waiting until the evening. I think my strategy for tomorrow might be, daygame during the afternoon then in the early evening between 7-9pm hit up a coffee shop/cafe."

Bookstores/cafes should be your bread and butter during the school season, especially if the weather is bad as many girls will seek shelter indoors. Since you are a young guy you should be going close to universities and the coffee shops where students hangout. I'm surprised you couldn't find an English book. Just visit a bigger bookstore next time and you should see a foreign section. As you've probably noticed many Polish girls smoke...if they are idly sitting, chatting, and smoking it is as good of an opportunity as any to approach them as they are in no hurry to leave. Best line of all time is "do you have a smoke". I don't care if you smoke or not (I don't but make allowances when approaching girls) force yourself to bum a cigarette anyways. No girl will refuse and the approach will be natural.

"How would you open the girls though?"

You already know the answer! Just ask if they have wifi and what the password is?
Second opening I like is what coffee they would recommend, or what's good there (for obvious reasons this line works at local cafe's not the starbucks-type chains)

Sit down near her, wait a few minutes then use an indirect or situational opener?

Yes, see my answer above. Don't do direct at a coffee shop unless you are getting IOI's. Situational opener would be the cigarette line I mentioned earlier.

Also would it look too obvious if there are a tonne of empty seats but I decide to sit right beside her?

Not a problem at all, unless you sit on her lap.Blush Remember, finding good coffee shops with nice seating arrangements is an "artform in itself". To be honest I've spent hours walking in cities like Moscow or Warsaw looking for that perfect coffee shop with good seating arrangement and many girls. I like the one table 2/3 couches arrangement though a communal table set-up works well as well. Whatever you do skip the coffee/bookstore shops that just have standing only tables or chairs that are spread out.

Also what if you can't hook the chick and she seems disinterested in talking? Should I just get up and move to a different spot where another chick is seated or just switch to another cafe?

If you can't hook a chick and she seems disinterested finish your coffee and look for another target. If no targets best is to go to another cafe. I like larger bookstores that have cafe's inside. If set is unsuccessful that way you can "disappear" for a couple minutes pretending to look for some book, then casually come back and take a seat next to another chick.
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Day 17 continued:

I received a message from the Armenian right after I got home saying he said something personal to ask me. He wanted to borrow 20 zloty to pay for his hostel or something. I don't mind lending him the money so I said sure and would meet up with him later to give him the money.
I dragged my ass back to the old town to force myself to do some direct approaches but there weren't really any targets left by the time I got back there. I felt fucking terrible about it so I headed to kfc to just have a break and eat. I picked a seat right by the windows facing the street and while eating my chicken, a noticed a group of three girls walk by. One of them sees me and starts waving at me as she continues to walk. I wave back at her and then she lets out this huge grin on her face. I thought about maybe bolting out of the kfc and chasing her down but I still had half of my chicken left. I met up with the Armenian right after because he said he moved to a hostel now and there were several chicks there he could introduce me to and also to give him some money for his hostel. I told him to just keep the 20 zloty even though he said he would repay me back. He kind of was hyping them up saying the Australian, American, and Canadian chicks there were really good looking but I predicted they wouldn't live up to the hype. When we got to the hostel and he introduced me to these two chicks, I asked him "so where's those three really good looking girls you were telling me about?" He pointed to them and I was like wtf. The Aussie was average looking at best and seemed kind of geeky. The Canadian was overweight, had red hair and freckles, and even sported a bull ring. She looked dirty and unkeep. I had a brief conversation with them and the Canadian is like I used to live in Belleville Ontario and I'm like I also live in Ontario. She's like where and I'm like Toronto. She then starts questioning me about it "oh really? Because a lot of people say they live in Toronto but really they don't." I was gonna tell this bitch off and be like "bitch, you don't know where the fuck I live so just stfu." but just remained cool about it. God I detest Canadian woman and I'm going to be depressed when I return back to Canada and have to face them everyday.

Soon, a tall blonde rolls up to the lounge area where we seated. She's an employee and the Armenian introduces me to her and it turns out she's the American. She had just an ok face but a nice body. A classic 6. I asked him "didn't you say the American was really hot?" and he's like not her, another one but she already has a bf and they came together. Anyways this chick seemed laid back and nice and actually listened to each of the people staying there. I decided to try and game her. I started flipping the script and trying to figure out the deal with her. She's half polish half Croatian and is here for an extended holiday but will return back to Chicago in December. Unfortunately I kept on getting cockblocked by the Armenian who I suppose wanted attention from everyone and kept on talking about himself when I was trying to get the American chick to talk about herself instead. After the Armenian left for a brief second, I finally got a few minutes to chat with her but unfortunately she said she had to go to bed because she needed to wake up early to cook breakfast for everyone. She mentioned right before she left that if I stop by again next time, we can go out for a beer or something. There's potential here. Soon, the Armenian returned and a Polish blonde 7 went to the receptionist desk to work. The Armenian started to complain about being hungry and asking her if there was food there at the hostel. I kind of joked with the girl and teased him a bit. The girl pointed to some apples and he rushed over to start snacking on them while I now focused my attention on gaming her.

I started asking her questions about her story and teasing her and she was enjoying it, but unfortunately the Armenian came right back and started to cockblock me again and jumping into our conversation and steering it to focus on himself. I managed to get a little interest from her and have her asking me a few personal questions but then another blonde chick who worked there walked to the receptionist desk and cockblocked me and started talking to her. I said goodnight to the girl but she didn't even hear me as me and the Armenian left the hostel to go grab some food.

We went inside of Mcdonalds because it was only one of a few places still opened this late. While waiting in line, a tall ass Asian guy in front of me sees me and gives me that look lol. He then asks me where I'm from. This immediately catches the attention of his group of friends in front of me, an asian chick, an indian chick, and a tall white chick I think and some other average looking white chick with glasses. I immediately see ioi's from the asian chick but disregard her and just chat with them. When it came time for him to order his food, he had some difficulty with it as well as the cashier whose english isn't so good. I helped him out and made the cashier's easier for her. He thanked me and then said goodbye. I was hoping to go order my food and go sit with him afterwards but the Armenian was making a big fuss about it. When it was my turn to order the food, I started to flirt with the cashier. It was my second time here and I had flirted with her before by asking her to teach me how to pronounce the polish words for the mcdonalds menu items which usually got a few laughs and smiles from her.

When I grabbed my food I tried to convince the Armenian to just go and talk with them for a few minutes but he kept on complaining about it so we left. Not particularly a very productive day. I have some very major deep inner game issues I need to sort out. Just the fact that I'm struggling this much to convey interest verbally to a chick tells me I have some major confidence issues. I was way smoother and confident when I was talking and gaming those two hostel employees but when it comes to just opening a chick, I have this huge anxiety that makes me look like an idiot. I think from now on, I'm going to force myself to just face this fear head on. No more indirect openers unless the situation calls for it like sitting down by a coffee shop or something. No more hiding my intentions. I need to conquer this fear. If I can overcome it, I can increase my approaches exponentially and thus my leads and prospects. I really wish I had more time here in Krakow. I think I'm really going to miss this city and become depressed when I return back to Toronto. I don't even know what I'm going to do to kept on improving my seduction skills when I arrive back in Toronto. My logistics is fucked in Toronto, and everything is all spread out.
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When do you go back to Torronto? What is the deal with the Armenian guy? How did you meet him? What's his age and how long is he travellling for? Does he get girls? (seems like he knows a lot of people)

Anyway, I kind of enjoy reading your journal. I really want to do something like that next year. I wish I was younger (or that I had have done something like it when I was) but not worth crying over spilled milk! Can't turn back the clock
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(11-22-2016 10:20 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  When do you go back to Torronto? What is the deal with the Armenian guy? How did you meet him? What's his age and how long is he travellling for? Does he get girls? (seems like he knows a lot of people)

Anyway, I kind of enjoy reading your journal. I really want to do something like that next year. I wish I was younger (or that I had have done something like it when I was) but not worth crying over spilled milk! Can't turn back the clock

In December. What do you mean? I wrote about it previously.
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Today was my workout day. I was planning to hit the gym right after lunch and then use that energy to approach chicks. I made my way to my usual lunch place. It was packed as usual because of my reservations in another room leaving sparse seating. I immediately saw some people leave a table and grabbed it right before a group of girls and 1 guy could take it. They kind of looked at me so I told them they could sit there as well. There was a decent looking blonde within the group but I didn't get a chance to look at the other girls though as I went to order my food. The only thing I was thinking about was wtf, there's a dude in the group. Anyways upon returning to my table, I see a brunette sitting beside my seat so I immediately open her and we start talking. She asks me a shit tonne of questions and I'm sensing interest from her. Her group of friends so return and I start talking to them as well. I notice there's a pretty attractive blonde in the group, as well as the decent looking blonde sitting to my right who is awfully quiet. There's also a fattie in the group as well as the dude. I mainly talked to the brunette who wasn't really that good looking, maybe a 5-5.5. I had my eyes set on either of the blondes but the brunette kept on interrupting my conversation with them. The blonde on my right was very shy and didn't speak much and neither did the fattie. I just played it cool and tried to redirect the conversation back at them even though the brunette kept on asking me questions. I didn't know how the hell I was going to grab a number but I remembered a few days ago, I didn't know how to do it either and it just sort of sorted itself out. Anyways, they finish eating before me and then kind of say their goodbyes while I do an introduction with them. I got a very firm handshake from the brunette and then she's like we should exchange contact info without me even suggesting it and go out to drink or something. She was practically ready to whip her phone out before I even said ok. We went upstairs because we couldn't get a signal downstairs but then noticed she put a cigarette in her mouth which was an immediate turn off for me. Anyways I grabbed her facebook and then returned back downstairs since I wasn't finished eating yet. There was now a group of 2 girls and 1 dude. The girls weren't anywhere near as good looking as previous girls. I ask them, are you guys spanish and they are like yeah. We start talking abit, but the difference in quality is like night and day, although one of them was alright. I contemplated sticking around but I had already finished my food and then two more of their friends showed up but they weren't as good looking. As I got up to dress, all of them left except for the only attractive girl but I thought it was kind of awkward for me to stick around so I took off.

I hit the gym hard and thought I would be prepared when I left to start using direct openers on girls at the mall. I did a little warmup but it didn't help. I spent like close to 2 hours walking around but couldn't open a single chick. I was so angry because I saw some many pretty girls that I wanted to talk to but couldn't do it. Then I spotted a tall brunette walking by and I knew I had to go talk to her. I followed her for a bit since she was walking kind of fast and then opened her. My face was fucking all red and my palms were sweaty as fuck. I felt like my heart was going to burst out of my chest.

me: excuse me, where can I find the burger king?
her: goes on about how to find it
me: umm... actually I'm kidding, I just wanted to come and speak to you because I found you attractive
her: gives a half assed smile
me: I extend my hand out and give her my name
her: gives me her name
me: you look like your fashion design student or something
her: half assed laugh. No, I work in a hotel as a manager
me: oh, smart and pretty
her: it was nice meeting you and starts walking away
me: it was nice meeting you

I was nearly ready to piss my pants. Holy fuck, I never felt so terrified in my entire life. I've gone to tournaments and fought with dudes who wanted to fucking kill me, I'm gone on dangerous rides, climbed up to high altitudes, traveled to foreign countries by myself, given presentations in front of hundreds of people, yet I was so fucking terrified of this girl who didn't even know a single damn thing about me. I immediately left the mall right after she rejected me. That was one of the most scariest things I've ever done in my life which is fucking ridiculous. Fuck, I still have at least 4 more direct openers to go. I need to train myself and become desensitized to it so that I can just be my normal self. I need to develop a I don't give a fuck attitude about it. I'm going to head back out again and do my 4 direct approaches. I'm going to go and pulverize my ego and face this fear head on if I have to. This is fucking ridiculous.
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Day 18 continued: I met up with the Armenian at his hostel, hoping that the two receptionists from yesterday would be there but neither one was in, only dudes were working so I hit the Rynek. I tried to look for targets in coffee shops but found only groups. I wasn't too happy about it so I just grabbed some food and on my way back was approached by that really attractive blonde umbrella girl. I had just swatted away another stripclub promoter right before her but she approached me nonetheless. She was very aggressive today, much more than previously. I started to joke and tease her, saying if she would sing me a song and start dancing then I would consider it. If she let me film her doing it and put it on youtube, I would pay her instead of the strip club which got her laughing and also saying "no no no." I pretended to beg her to leave me alone and then got down on one knee and pretended to beg which made her say "no" while laughing her ass off. I could tell she enjoyed our interaction as I kept on busting her balls. She started to ask personal questions about me and then says she says she has seen me 2-3 times walking here around this time so I accused her of spying on me. I should have ramped up the flirtation and accused her of having a thing for me. She told me she was Ukrainian which kind of put me off because of the golddigging/ scamming mentality of the girls I have met in the past. I at one point pretended to agree to go with her only to say at the last minute when we were in front of the stripclub, nah I changed my mind and started to walk away which frustrated her lol. I started trying to lead the conversation somewhere else when she asks me what I was doing and I said I was hungry and then asked her when her break was. She told me she only gets 10 minutes break and needs to be near the club so I pointed at a kfc near by and said lets go eat some kfc then when it's your break but she''s like I need to eat inside of the strip club and that we are not allowed to eat kfc because of our job, which I started to tease her about again. I actually at one point even tried to help her get a customer and approached some dude which got her laughing as well. She told me what days and times she was working here. I think 1-2 more interactions with her and I might be able to grab her digits but I have to also be on guard. Who knows whether or not she would slip some drugs into my drink or try to scam me. I'm not 100% sold on her yet but she is very attractive though.

I'm debating whether or not to contact that polish chick who gave me her facebook today. She wasn't particularly attractive but at the same time I need more dating experience. This is one of my plateau areas that I need to get over and the experience would definitely help but I'm not attracted to her. Also I messaged that girl who I butchered the date with and surprisingly she still appears enthusiastic in her messages with smiley faces and stuff. I teased her a little bit and she said I made her laugh and then I tried to suggest we go out for sushi and she said sure but that she's a little afraid of it. I sent her a message asking when she's free so we'll see how it goes. I don't think I'm going to try and bounce her to my apartment after the sushi, maybe to a chocolate store or something since she likes chocolate. I'm just trying to repair the damage from the previous date and then assuming everything works out well, I'm going to invite her over for dinner next time.

Lastly I need to fix these deep rooted inner game issues with me being afraid to do direct approaches. This is probably why I'm fucking up on dates and stuff because I have some deep inner fear of rejection and failure and also I think I possess a lack of a sense of entitlement. On a subconcious level my mind doesn't think I deserve to get with any girls so I keep on self-sabotaging myself (ie. I don't know what to say or do, I don't try, oh she's not interested in me, she probably has a bf, no white girls like asian guys, etc.) Fuck that shit! I'm determined to overcome this no matter what! I need to prove it to myself that I can do this and also to prove it to all of those motherfuckers and negative people in my life who told me I wouldn't ever get with any attractive girls in my life or any girls at all for that matter.
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I know it feels shitty to go out with girls you aren't attracted to but we all have to start somewhere.... You really need the practice.

Do you think ALL the girls I have or many successful guys here gamed or even slept with are attractive???
11-22-2016 08:08 PM
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@destiny, don't put yourself down. You've made more approaches over the course of your 1.5 months of travels than most guys make their whole life and have succeeded in getting digits and dates. So what if there have been no bangs. I'm sure you'll get some once you're back home as ypu will be much wiser.
Now just imagine if you actually listened to me and ran some coffee shop game Wink
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triple , if you continue approaching so much without any success, it will be also frustrating and it will push your negativity
11-23-2016 05:53 AM
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I'm sorry to say but your last few reports are a long ass read of someone making up excuses for the sake of making up excuses. You think a lot of girls are not good enough because you're not feeling your dick getting hard in an instant. Other girls, you let them pass or overthink it and start mumbling so you give off a weird vibe and scare them off. Sure, we all want the hotties but you've got to start somehwere so lower your standards and just rely on the boner test, stop nuking yourself with doubts and excuses for why NOT to push forward.

Hit up that brunette, seems she was interested. So what she's not some supermodel, you need to get your dick wet and get some confidence into your system! Also the girl from the previous date still seems interested which is a good thing. Yet you want to take her out for sushi and a chocolate store after that. Then, if everything goes fine you want to take her out to dinner AGAIN before getting her to your place..? Stop wasting your time, stop overthinking, take action and reward yourself with a bang!

I like reading your detailed reports but I'm waiting for the fun to start. I might come off a bit harsh but honstly, there's no fun. All I read is eat, walk, eat, approach, overthink, eat, walk, approach, overthink, eat, sleep. It's like you're not enjoying your time there and girls will sense that vibe.

I honestly envy you on having the possibility to do all this traveling, make the most of it!

Edit: read the approach thread and other approach logs in the newbie forum. Most of the time reading those succesfull approaches puts a smile on my face. Sometimes you just need the help of those guys to remind you how easy it can be done.

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(11-23-2016 06:32 AM)Stimulus Wrote:  I'm sorry to say but your last few reports are a long ass read of someone making up excuses for the sake of making up excuses. You think a lot of girls are not good enough because you're not feeling your dick getting hard in an instant. Other girls, you let them pass or overthink it and start mumbling so you give off a weird vibe and scare them off. Sure, we all want the hotties but you've got to start somehwere so lower your standards and just rely on the boner test, stop nuking yourself with doubts and excuses for why NOT to push forward.

Hit up that brunette, seems she was interested. So what she's not some supermodel, you need to get your dick wet and get some confidence into your system! Also the girl from the previous date still seems interested which is a good thing. Yet you want to take her out for sushi and a chocolate store after that. Then, if everything goes fine you want to take her out to dinner AGAIN before getting her to your place..? Stop wasting your time, stop overthinking, take action and reward yourself with a bang!

I like reading your detailed reports but I'm waiting for the fun to start. I might come off a bit harsh but honstly, there's no fun. All I read is eat, walk, eat, approach, overthink, eat, walk, approach, overthink, eat, sleep. It's like you're not enjoying your time there and girls will sense that vibe.

I honestly envy you on having the possibility to do all this traveling, make the most of it!

Edit: read the approach thread and other approach logs in the newbie forum. Most of the time reading those succesfull approaches puts a smile on my face. Sometimes you just need the help of those guys to remind you how easy it can be done.

Is it as simple as just inviting her over after the sushi? I don't know how to do this properly. I never invited a chick over before. "Hey want to come over to see some photos of my travels or watch a movie?" Well for the third date I was just planning on inviting her over right away to my place for dinner. I was going to use the excuse "I'll make you dinner." to get her to come over.
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