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Do beta orbiters actually like having female friends non-sexually?
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RE: Do beta orbiters actually like having female friends non-sexually?
"they dont actually like having female friends. They are playing the fake nice guy game in the hope that they get rewarded with sex."

While that's true I've come to realize that there is always a false/transactional/manipulative aspect to relationships with women. It's like the old adage says "women give sex for love and men give love for sex". Early on what men give isn't love but the sort of unearned attention and flattery that flows naturally from the initial infatuation.

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Even something as simple as rubber-necking is part of this.

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Why do you think women want to institute 5-second rules? They know when a guy is interested without him even opening his mouth. They know what eye-f*cking looks like.

The orbiter may seem like a wolf in sheep's clothing to men in attempting to suppress the most obvious "tells" and sneak in under the radar, but since he's probably never gonna ask her out then there's no impetus on the part of women to investigate or rock the boat. They're getting what they want and not having to give back so it's a win for them.
08-14-2019 09:19 AM
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RE: Do beta orbiters actually like having female friends non-sexually?
I orbited a girl throughout my early 20s. It’s hard for me to say if I actually enjoyed her company as simply a friend, because the entire act of orbiting is feeding a delusion that you are her knight in shining armor, just waiting your turn. I will say I did enjoy meeting her female friends and at least getting exposed to their social and dating habits. As a hopeless beta at the time, it gave me more confidence to simply interact with attractive women. I also sadly enjoyed hanging out with women, because I did not like the presence of stronger males. I was decent looking beta, but when stronger males were present my social and personality weaknesses were usually more apparent in a relative sense. I think I did enjoy the “friend” part, but it’s ultimately a dead end because once a final rejection of intimacy is laid bare, your delusion often comes crashing down and its impossible to compartmentalize anymore.
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RE: Do beta orbiters actually like having female friends non-sexually?
I can confess as well: In my early 20s I orbited a 17yo girl with a BF for over one year. Then I got fed some red pill and finally laid her twice, before she got conscience-smitten. The friendship withered one year later to text contact once per year, much to my disappointment. Not because of the "benefits" I did not enjoy again, but I was actually missing the familiarity and conversation about shared interests. So I essentially "ruined" it.

Fast forward to my late 30s I enjoyed roughly two months of having a young female friend after a long hiatus from meeting girls. Then Cupid's arrow hit her and "ruined" another friendship. Ironically that happened after I decided pursuing her wasn't worth the trouble, started to "be myself" exclusively parading my beta side for a month to discourage sexual/romantic escalation. So much for that.

So personally I like having female friends for the special chemistry, but so far I haven't been very successful at keeping them non-sexual/non-romantic. I think it only works with a BP mindset. Also being on a NoFap streak doesn't help it either.
08-14-2019 06:25 PM
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RE: Do beta orbiters actually like having female friends non-sexually?
They've put the woman up so high in their mind that the idea of having sex with them seems outrageous and unrealistic.

There's no polarity there. The woman isn't submissive, the guy isn't penetrating her reality. Hence, sex doesn't feel right for either man or woman. The guy settles for just 'being in her presence'.
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08-14-2019 06:28 PM
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RE: Do beta orbiters actually like having female friends non-sexually?
I disagree with the notion that men can't have close female friends. One of my closest friends is female and married to an equally close male friend. I have no interest in banging her, despite the fact she's a beautiful girl, and I see her as a sister. Even if they got divorced and she was available.

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08-14-2019 07:42 PM
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RE: Do beta orbiters actually like having female friends non-sexually?
Women use orbiters to fill the emotional gaps they don't get fulfilled by chasing and fucking deadbeat and narcissistic chads. A solid 7 or 8 can spend years chasing ever more terrible boyfriends, while she always has her golden parachute of orbiters on speed dial to fill in while Chad emotionally neglects her. Just watch Aziz Ansari in season 2 of Master of None, or Elijah Wood in Wilfred if you need an example. Men need to be taught to strictly avoid these scenarios, because it just allows women to elongate their juvenile "bad boy" dating habits far into adulthood, as instead of facing reality in their early dating careers, they can just continually hamsterize Chad's behavior and snuggle up to an orbiter to temporarily heal every new wound. Male/female friendships should generally be discouraged post sexual maturity, as the possibility of "real" friends is rare. One party is almost always inevitably wasting their time and emotional energy.
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08-15-2019 12:51 AM
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RE: Do beta orbiters actually like having female friends non-sexually?
(08-14-2019 07:42 PM)RIslander Wrote:  I disagree with the notion that men can't have close female friends. One of my closest friends is female and married to an equally close male friend. I have no interest in banging her, despite the fact she's a beautiful girl, and I see her as a sister. Even if they got divorced and she was available.

That just means you're not a beta orbiter.

I have a close female friend at the gym who introduced me to my girlfriend. We're gym bros and occasionally hang out but I'm not desperately waiting for the day when she'll finally realize that I'm the perfect guy for her because I'll treat her better than the assholes she dates. I don't spend my gym time trying to work up the courage to ask her on a date. If I wanted to date her, I wouldn't hesitate to make that clear and I wouldn't care if it ruined our friendship.

Dudes can be friends with women - it's when you're attracted (and want to date her - or just hug-close her) but too scared to escalate that you become a beta orbiter.
08-15-2019 01:02 AM
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RE: Do beta orbiters actually like having female friends non-sexually?
I think RP aware guys that have experience with women and game and thus are able to get sex without major difficulty can have platonic relationships with women. The thirst simply isn't there, so ideally the relationship would be calibrated through the lens of mutual value/friendship (obviously, the man leads this interaction, just as he would if he was interested sexually in a girl and would attempt to steer the relationship in a more sexual direction).

Male thirst hampers authentic male/female friendships because it's all fake; the blue-pilled guy thinks that by "being there" and "being nice" he will be able to win the woman over and have access to her sexuality. Any man in this corner of internet knows how well that works /sarc

Some might argue that spending time with females you aren't banging is a waste of time (dealing with gossip, drama, BS, etc. for no sex)

I've had some really solid female friends over the years where there was no sexual tension or anything, they were cool people that were fun to hang out with. The older I get the less inclined I am to become friends with a woman just in the interest of time and the rarity of a cool girl. If a girl is hot I'm going to try and deduce if it's worth any effort to to get intimate with her.
08-15-2019 09:42 AM
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RE: Do beta orbiters actually like having female friends non-sexually?
Sometimes the orbiter "wins." I know a guy who married a girl after watching her get spit-roasted by surfers all through her college years.

Who's laughing now suckers!
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08-15-2019 10:21 AM
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RE: Do beta orbiters actually like having female friends non-sexually?
(10-21-2016 05:39 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  Once I started banging new chicks regularly, and even was seeing more than one girl romantically at the same time, I realized that there was little point in having female "friends" in the traditional sense of the word. Social acquaintances my own age or younger who aren't available at the moment for whatever reason, or aren't interested in me, or vice versa, that I chat with from time to time? Sure. Older married women who I've known for years, that I banter with on social media and give me cooking advice? Sure. But not friends the way I'd be friends with a man.

If I want a woman who there's even a chance of her coming through for me in a pinch the way a male friend would in this city, I need to be dicking her regularly. Simple as that.

The problem with the orbiters is that I'm sure a lot of them think they're running some kind of social circle "game." Do they want to fuck a lot of the girls they're "friends" with? Sure. Are they able to? Sure, on occasion. Let me tell you my impression of how orbiter social circle "game" operates, just from my casual observations regarding some of the folks in Boston I'm acquainted with. Lurking on Facebook and watching the posts and status updates of random chicks you talked to a few times and who threw you a friend request is a great way to learn about social dynamics.

"Amanda Wentworth", say, is a recent mid 20s transplant to Boston from Nowheresville, Ohio and has been living here for two years. A standard issue "6.5" She's been working at Starbucks to pay the bills while going to college part-time to get her veterinary tech associates degree, and also playing the role as a regular fixture at local emo night weekend shows and occasional dress-up comic book conventions. She's active on all the social media sites and has around 1100 friends on Facebook.

In other words, there are a million corny chicks just like her in every major city in the US.

She gets out of an 8 month relationship with her abusive, drug dealer boyfriend, and changes her relationship status to "single" after posting a bunch of feminist tropes, "you'll never hurt me again because a lady like me is worth it" memes, and random goth poetry.

So she has a lot of male "friends." We call them orbiters. And the bids start coming in, in a fashion. "Oh, I'm out with Steve at the tapas bar! It's great to be with good friends" her check-in might say. "It's so nice to hang with a classy lady like @AmandaWentworth at the Museum of Fine Arts!", his status update might say.

These guys aren't new to her. They were still in touch on social media and in the real world regularly when she was in a LTR, still taking her out to Dennys, but perhaps not as much. Biding their time, and being there for her when old BF was too drunk to make it home from the club at a reasonable hour.

One of them may become her new guy, maybe the guy who took her to the museum, and the others will slink back into the friend-zone, biding their time until some other girl in the crew they're "friends" with is back on the market, and they have a chance to put their bid in with someone else by taking her out and entertaining her repeatedly.

But it's been two months and Amanda's relationship status is still "single." I wonder who she's actually been fucking during that time? Most likely Chad from Tinder, that'd be my guess. But anyway, may the best orbiter win. He'd better move fast though, as I hear Amanda's old guy has promised he's changed, and they've been texting again.

thats an enormous expedenture of time. wouldnt be easier to make a reasonable number grab after day game or facebook messages?
08-15-2019 06:21 PM
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