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Race is not a social construct. Society is a racial construct.

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10-22-2016 03:14 PM
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(10-22-2016 03:14 PM)Meat Head Wrote:  Race is not a social construct. Society is a racial construct.

Quite right.

White/European is NOT a race, though.
10-22-2016 11:39 PM
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Social construct ? bogus arguement methinks. People who say this ? Ashamed of their own race ? Thus a self racist ?
10-23-2016 04:08 AM
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This all is a very American thing. There are think thanks behind this to destabilize societies and sooner or later everything from the USA comes to Europe.

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10-23-2016 05:24 AM
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(10-23-2016 04:08 AM)Cage Wrote:  Social construct ? bogus arguement methinks. People who say this ? Ashamed of their own race ? Thus a self racist ?

I dont know how you can listen to ass-holes self-identify as race/gender/identity they are not and then say the above. Rachel Dolezal? Senator Elizabeth Warren? Shaun King? There was a video of a protest at a Trump rally (?) (Or BLM i am unsure) with a man dressed as a woman arguing with "theotherside". That POC's argument was "you are not allowed to hit me because i am a woman". Idiot sounded like a man.......claiming to be a woman.

There are "benefits" to being a 'something'. If you are not a 'something' you are 'theman'. Social Construct.
10-23-2016 08:16 AM
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I wonder if these people were willing to not label themselves "black" on college applications.
10-23-2016 02:41 PM
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(10-23-2016 08:16 AM)ivansirko Wrote:  
(10-23-2016 04:08 AM)Cage Wrote:  Social construct ? bogus arguement methinks. People who say this ? Ashamed of their own race ? Thus a self racist ?

I dont know how you can listen to ass-holes self-identify as race/gender/identity they are not and then say the above. Rachel Dolezal? Senator Elizabeth Warren? Shaun King? There was a video of a protest at a Trump rally (?) (Or BLM i am unsure) with a man dressed as a woman arguing with "theotherside". That POC's argument was "you are not allowed to hit me because i am a woman". Idiot sounded like a man.......claiming to be a woman.

There are "benefits" to being a 'something'. If you are not a 'something' you are 'theman'. Social Construct.

Different races exists - face it, take the red pill and chill.People who don't are generally the biggest racist around - self racists
10-23-2016 04:00 PM
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I am not on this forum :-)
10-23-2016 04:10 PM
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(10-23-2016 04:00 PM)Cage Wrote:  Different races exists - face it, take the red pill and chill.People who don't are generally the biggest racist around - self racists

I have taken the red pill. Yes there are different races. Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Negroid....not black, white, brown, and green. The American form of "race" is a construct. The British form of "race"? Well thats where your foolishness comes in.
10-23-2016 05:38 PM
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(10-23-2016 05:38 PM)ivansirko Wrote:  
(10-23-2016 04:00 PM)Cage Wrote:  Different races exists - face it, take the red pill and chill.People who don't are generally the biggest racist around - self racists

I have taken the red pill. Yes there are different races. Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Negroid....not black, white, brown, and green. The American form of "race" is a construct. The British form of "race"? Well thats where your foolishness comes in.

You hit the nail on the head.

There's no such thing as monolithic white race, black race, Arab, or Asian race.

There's the Germans, the French, the English, Scottish, Irish, Russians, and so forth and so on.

There's Ethiopians, Nigerians, Liberians, Somali, and so forth and so on.

There's Lebanese, Persian, Turkish, Bosnian, and so forth and so.

There's Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Filipino, Vietnamese, Thai, and so forth and so on.

But in America, nowadays, people seem reduced to their skin color, as an identity, versus just part of a description. And this rot is spreading across the world.

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10-24-2016 01:01 AM
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(10-22-2016 08:47 AM)ivansirko Wrote:  Race IS a social construct. Whites could range from Spanish to Russian, Blacks can range from Namibia to Benin, Asians can go from Pakistan to Indonesia. Chances are places in between dont like each other and were at war with each other.

I don't intend to start an antagonistic race debate, but this particular argument needs to be addressed, because it's incorrect. Just because race can't be neatly divided into a few discrete categories doesn't mean it's a social construct.

To make an analogy: your family ranges from siblings and parents to aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, second cousins, etc. The line where your "family" stops is fuzzy and could be drawn anywhere. Does that mean family is a made up concept? Of course not.

Race, as I view it at least, is just a massive extended family. Are Namibians and Nigerians the same race? It's entirely subjective, just like asking if your second cousin is part of your "family." But that has no bearing on whether the concept is real.
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10-24-2016 01:39 AM
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(10-23-2016 05:38 PM)ivansirko Wrote:  
(10-23-2016 04:00 PM)Cage Wrote:  Different races exists - face it, take the red pill and chill.People who don't are generally the biggest racist around - self racists

I have taken the red pill. Yes there are different races. Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Negroid....not black, white, brown, and green. The American form of "race" is a construct. The British form of "race"? Well thats where your foolishness comes in.


So what, there are still large differences between people of Black and White ' colour', even if you consider Arabs and Indians as " caucasian ".

Differences are differences, the rest are semantics, you need another pill.
10-24-2016 01:53 AM
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I was going to say that race is only as relevant as you want it to be, but after this year I have to say that race is only as relevant as the guy standing across from you makes it.
10-24-2016 03:29 AM
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(10-24-2016 01:53 AM)Cage Wrote:  
(10-23-2016 05:38 PM)ivansirko Wrote:  
(10-23-2016 04:00 PM)Cage Wrote:  Different races exists - face it, take the red pill and chill.People who don't are generally the biggest racist around - self racists

I have taken the red pill. Yes there are different races. Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Negroid....not black, white, brown, and green. The American form of "race" is a construct. The British form of "race"? Well thats where your foolishness comes in.


So what
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10-24-2016 06:27 AM
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(10-24-2016 01:39 AM)Delta Wrote:  
(10-22-2016 08:47 AM)ivansirko Wrote:  Race IS a social construct. Whites could range from Spanish to Russian, Blacks can range from Namibia to Benin, Asians can go from Pakistan to Indonesia. Chances are places in between dont like each other and were at war with each other.

I don't intend to start an antagonistic race debate, but this particular argument needs to be addressed, because it's incorrect. Just because race can't be neatly divided into a few discrete categories doesn't mean it's a social construct.

To make an analogy: your family ranges from siblings and parents to aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, second cousins, etc. The line where your "family" stops is fuzzy and could be drawn anywhere. Does that mean family is a made up concept? Of course not.

Race, as I view it at least, is just a massive extended family. Are Namibians and Nigerians the same race? It's entirely subjective, just like asking if your second cousin is part of your "family." But that has no bearing on whether the concept is real.

Social Construct is not a "lie". Societies can form into tribes of people. What is classified as "colored" a century ago is now <meekly> "African-American" now. The same now for "non-white hispanic" (George Zimmerman? Call your office), There are benefits now in society to have this label. You can now claim 1/32 genetics of something that may be possible (or a lie) and then gain those benefits (however if you do not have the right belief system it is ignored).

We now include or deny membership to a tribe based on your belief system. If you do not believe in the right "stuff" in the US you can be kicked out of your tribe.

For example:

There may have been a thread on this but Peter Theil is a gay libertarian and supporter of Trump. To me if you are gay well then you are gay.
http://downtrend.com/robertgehl/the-mode...orts-trump
The Advocate says you are not because of your beliefs.

This happens in American way way way too often.

Why wasnt Clarence Thomas included in the AA museum?
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkouk...m-n2234601

This is a Social Construct.
10-24-2016 06:43 AM
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(10-24-2016 03:29 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I was going to say that race is only as relevant as you want it to be, but after this year I have to say that race is only as relevant as the guy standing across from you makes it.

Yes pretty much. And its only going to get worse.

Next year you and the next guy will be required to make it relevant. You will be required to care.
10-24-2016 06:45 AM
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(10-24-2016 01:01 AM)Geomann180 Wrote:  But in America, nowadays, people seem reduced to their skin color, as an identity, versus just part of a description. And this rot is spreading across the world.

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I watched a recent video of the BBC accusing Nigel Farage of racism against Eastern Europeans. The context was the Polish in the discussion.

Yes its everywhere now.
10-24-2016 06:48 AM
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Ah yes, you guys found Prince Ea. The anthropologist turned faux rapper, socially conscious "star." He's just capitalizing on the muh feels movement in my opinion. I see them on my facebook with "the world needs more of this" statuses.
10-24-2016 09:59 AM
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This thread is going the way I expected.

Beliefs are more powerful than facts.
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(10-24-2016 06:27 AM)ivansirko Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 01:53 AM)Cage Wrote:  
(10-23-2016 05:38 PM)ivansirko Wrote:  
(10-23-2016 04:00 PM)Cage Wrote:  Different races exists - face it, take the red pill and chill.People who don't are generally the biggest racist around - self racists

I have taken the red pill. Yes there are different races. Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Negroid....not black, white, brown, and green. The American form of "race" is a construct. The British form of "race"? Well thats where your foolishness comes in.


So what
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Man, you're showing deep signs of beta venting.

Not only have you misquoted me but your gif has proven my point. LOL
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I'm black from the waist down.
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(10-24-2016 07:32 PM)Cage Wrote:  Man, you're showing deep signs of beta venting.

Not only have you misquoted me but your gif has proven my point. LOL

Not misquoting anything. Beta venting? Then you whine about how i am misquoting you. I believe you are insecure in what really constitutes blue vs red pill.

Ohshit

Everything after the "So what?" doesnt pertain to the conversation except the fact that you are ignoring what i had to say on the subject. That is your call not mine.
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(10-24-2016 07:42 PM)ivansirko Wrote:  Everything after the "So what?" doesnt pertain to the conversation except the fact that you are ignoring what i had to say on the subject. That is your call not mine.

And exactly what is that - would help if you weren't so emotional, at least you would be clearer in what you have to say.

Odds on you are not white ( OOOOOh that colour again) LOL.
10-25-2016 03:58 AM
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(10-25-2016 03:58 AM)Cage Wrote:  And exactly what is that - would help if you weren't so emotional, at least you would be clearer in what you have to say.

Jordan

i am fine thanks. Ironic you aren't the only person here.

Quote:Odds on you are not white ( OOOOOh that colour again) LOL.

20 posts.....you have a lot to learn young padawan.
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(10-25-2016 06:02 AM)ivansirko Wrote:  
(10-25-2016 03:58 AM)Cage Wrote:  And exactly what is that - would help if you weren't so emotional, at least you would be clearer in what you have to say.

Jordan

i am fine thanks. Ironic you aren't the only person here.

Quote:Odds on you are not white ( OOOOOh that colour again) LOL.

20 posts.....you have a lot to learn young padawan.


There you go again sounding like a betamale using trendy pseudonyms because unlike you I don't spend all day on internet forums, I actually get quality pussy unlike you evidently.
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