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RE: Who should be in Trump's cabinet?
(11-15-2016 11:02 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  Mike Pence is proving himself to be an awesome pick as VP a thousand-fold over.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tra...ts-2016-11

Quote:All lobbyists have been cut from Trump's transition team

Vice President-elect Mike Pence reportedly ordered the removal of all lobbyists from president-elect Donald Trump's transition team, The Wall Street Journal wrote on Tuesday night.

The decision was one of Pence's first since formally taking over the team's lead role. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie was abruptly dismissed from the post last week.

Critics have excoriated Trump for including lobbyists, Washington insiders, and Republican Party veterans among his team, suggesting it contradicts the anti-establishment message that defined his campaign.

"[Americans] do not want corporate executives to be the ones who are calling the shots in Washington," Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren said earlier Tuesday. "What Donald Trump is doing is that he's putting together a transition team that's full of lobbyists — the kind of people he actually ran against," she said.

The move capped a chaotic day for Trump's transition team. Former Michigan Rep. Mike Rogers, who handled national-security duties, was ousted, as was senior defense and foreign policy official Matthew Freedman.

Rogers was told that all team members picked by Christie were being ousted, The Journal reported, citing a source familiar with the situation. Rogers indicated the team may be in disarray.

"Is there a little confusion in New York? I think there is. I think this is growing pains," he told CNN's Jim Sciutto. Sources cited by CNN in that story suggested infighting among Trump's close advisers. Another unnamed CNN source denied the claim.

Trump attempted to dispel talk of turmoil in a tweet late Tuesday: "Very organized process taking place as I decide on Cabinet and many other positions. I am the only one who knows who the finalists are!," the tweet read.

Trump's team is tasked with finding and hiring 4,000 political appointees to fill out the federal government.

This is good how?

Mike Pence selling Trump short, indirectly saying Trump picked the wrong guys? Or is it Christie who picked these people?

Kushner is behind this. Kushner has been behind ousting Christie getting his dad imprisoned. I don't like Kushner one bit.
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RE: Who should be in Trump's cabinet?
"This is good how?

Mike Pence selling Trump short, indirectly saying Trump picked the wrong guys? Or is it Christie who picked these people?

Kushner is behind this. Kushner has been behind ousting Christie getting his dad imprisoned. I don't like Kushner one bit."

This sounds like paranoia to me. Nobody but you is saying that this means "Trump picked the wrong guys." Everyone seems very impressed with it.

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(11-17-2016 02:51 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  "This is good how?

Mike Pence selling Trump short, indirectly saying Trump picked the wrong guys? Or is it Christie who picked these people?

Kushner is behind this. Kushner has been behind ousting Christie getting his dad imprisoned. I don't like Kushner one bit."

This sounds like paranoia to me. Nobody but you is saying that this means "Trump picked the wrong guys." Everyone seems very impressed with it.

Ok, let me try again.

Trump, or someone Trump chose, picked those guys to be in the interim group.

The Mike Pence and Kushner fire them and call them lobbyists. This makes Trump look bad indirectly.

You also should read about Kushner, he was 100% behind the firing of Christie, because Christie put his corrupt father in prison. If Christie picked those guys, Kushner and Pence firing them, is not good.
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RE: Who should be in Trump's cabinet?
No, I follow the logic, but I don't think it's sound.
The transition team is undergoing a new phase now that Trump is in line to win the presidency. That new phase means new people.

To say that firing lobbyists from the team makes Trump "look bad" is goofy. Trump is receiving near universal praise for this. Go to any site and look at the comments and you'll see they're entirely positive.

What you're saying is at odds with what is actually happening.

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RE: Who should be in Trump's cabinet?
(11-17-2016 03:02 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  No, I follow the logic, but I don't think it's sound.
The transition team is undergoing a new phase now that Trump is in line to win the presidency. That new phase means new people.

To say that firing lobbyists from the team makes Trump "look bad" is goofy. Trump is receiving near universal praise for this. Go to any site and look at the comments and you'll see they're entirely positive.

What you're saying is at odds with what is actually happening.

Why would Trump have chosen lobbyists in the first place?

Who made Mike Pence the judge of why they are lobbyists?

Are they actually lobbyists?

Everyone, everywhere is pointing out how those who got the knife were connected to Christie.

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/201...ushne.html
Quote:TRENTON — Gov. Chris Christie spent half a year planning Trump's transition, and in half a week, the work has been largely undone.

In 2004 through 2005, Christie successfully prosecuted Kushner's father, Charles, on charges of tax evasion and illegal campaign contributions. Charles Kushner was also convicted of witness tampering after he hired a prostitute to seduce his brother-in-law, who was cooperating with the federal government's case against him, and even sending the videotape of their tryst to his sister.

It's obvious what is happening. Kushner got revenge on Christie for jailing his father.

They spun it calling it 'getting rid of lobbyists' because they knew Trump supporters would likely buy that line. It is nothing of the sort, but simple revenge by Kushner.

I don't like Kushner, he fired Lewandowski, hired Manafort and almost lost the entire election. Kushner seems like a very shady character, intriges seem to follow him everywhere.
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RE: Who should be in Trump's cabinet?
"Why would Trump have chosen lobbyists in the first place?"

Lots of potential reasons. You can think of a dozen, easily, I'm sure.

"Who made Mike Pence the judge of why they are lobbyists?"

Trump, presumably.

"Are they actually lobbyists?"

That's what the media is reporting. The media are liars, so if you want to make a case that when Mike Pence fired "lobbyists" from his transition team, he was actually doing something else, I'll be happy to hear it. But you're not making that case.

"They spun it calling it 'getting rid of lobbyists' because they knew Trump supporters would likely buy that line. It is nothing of the sort, but simple revenge by Kushner."

You are pretending to insider information that you don't have. There are any number of reasons why Christie's team could've been cut post-election. Bridgegate is one. Another is that Trump never seems to have really liked the guy; I remember a rally earlier this year after Christie's endorsement where Trump basically told him to get the hell off the stage and fly home.

You're free to speculate, but please mark your speculation as such, and don't pretend to know things that you don't actually know.

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Milo as Press Secretary

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Christie having put Kushner's father in prison is not a conflict of interest?
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I agree, Kushner has to be watched because he's a little sneaky. His lack of public positions while having such influence make me weary. Can skate by if things go wrong and take credit if they go well. Hmm.

BUT, Christie has to go because of Bridgegate. That is what casts shadow on the transition team. Every hire he is in involved with opens the administration up to drama and mire it in controversy.

"see, the corruption and lack of judgement already begins" "Such hypocrisy to claim to be a good judge of character and allow someone like Chris Christie who abuses his power to make such impactful decisions"

Christie created the landmine and he has to fall on it. Such is life.

Doesn't mean Kushner gets a free pass at all. Conflict, sure, but its also just good business.

Frankly, Kushner shouldnt be there at all. He has no political experience and I think was behind manafort. We all know how that went.

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RE: Who should be in Trump's cabinet?
Nomad, it's simple, no conspiracy needed- Christie is poison to have around after the bridgegate conviction, he's an easy target for the media and makes Trump look bad, and was also the reason he wasn't chosen as VP, would have been terrible idea on multiple levels.

I do not know why you or others think Kushner is the shadow leader and decision maker of the Trump administration or can "trick" Trump. You are saying Trump is not in control or does not know whats going on, it just doesn't add up in reality.

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"Christie having put Kushner's father in prison is not a conflict of interest?"

Don't jump from your original claim and put the burden of proof on me. You have not the slightest idea what's going on with Trump's internal deliberations. You don't know why Christie was cut. The only claims that Kushner was involved at all are unsourced and anonymous, and if we've learned one thing through the campaign, it's "Don't trust anonymous claims about what's going on with Donald Trump."

It has been less than two weeks since the election, and already you're attempting to start a narrative where dark and shadowy forces are manipulating Donald Trump, based on nothing more than your own fevered imaginings and an unsourced Bloomberg news story. Knock it off.

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RE: Who should be in Trump's cabinet?
MikeCF's latest periscope (an hour ago or so) is about the transition. He says it's going great, cucks aren't getting in (not even having their calls answered Laugh), Mr. Trump just isn't interested in them, etc.

I trust Mike, he has inside sources and his instincts are spot on. We can guess and infer all we want but his sources are a lot better than ours.
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RE: Who should be in Trump's cabinet?
I don't think MikeCF has "sources" inside the Trump transition team. I think his source is Chuck Johnson, who may or may not have sources himself.

Trump met with Ted Cruz in the last few days, and will meet with Mitt Romney on Saturday.

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RE: Who should be in Trump's cabinet?
Yeah I think they're holding this down pretty tightly, regardless of what's being put out by the media.

When I met Cerno, he seemed like a very resourceful guy, he was surrounded by guys who had insider of knowledge the night of the election.

Especially his guys having insiders in the Hillary campaign, who said congrats (an hour before it was even announced).

We can speculate for now, but I trust Trump, his team, and Cerno.

I just hope they put together a team with experience, that can be trusted, that can avoid as much lobbyist/DC insider influence as possible.

As far as Christie, I think they did the right think not putting him on the short list.

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How do you guys know Trump didn't purposefully set up all these "lobbyists" just so he could have Pence shoot them down?

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(11-17-2016 04:34 PM)Gmac Wrote:  How do you guys know Trump didn't purposefully set up all these "lobbyists" just so he could have Pence shoot them down?

That occurred to me. I also thought maybe he is giving some of his more cuckish allies a chance to show they're fully onboard, and if they fail just shooting them down.
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"How do you guys know Trump didn't purposefully set up all these "lobbyists" just so he could have Pence shoot them down?"

It's as good a theory as any. My personal theory is that he started with Christie and these other people, found out that he didn't like what he was getting, and cut him loose as soon as it was an opportune time to do so.
But as I've said above, I don't know anything more than anyone else does.

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Now I'm seeing all these retards on facebook trying to get people to contact their US Senators, to get their Senators to argue against the appointment of Bannon.

...Except Bannon is being appointed to a position that requires exactly zero advice and consent from the Senate.

I almost slipped up and corrected them out of a vestigial spergy impulse. But hey, let them waste resources and time. I wouldn't want to interrupt them.
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(11-17-2016 05:51 PM)weambulance Wrote:  Now I'm seeing all these retards on facebook trying to get people to contact their US Senators, to get their Senators to argue against the appointment of Bannon.

...Except Bannon is being appointed to a position that requires exactly zero advice and consent from the Senate.

I almost slipped up and corrected them out of a vestigial spergy impulse. But hey, let them waste resources and time. I wouldn't want to interrupt them.

The idiots on facebook are completely clueless about how gov't is ran. Let alone how a new administration comes to fruition.

Their so called faux outrage and fear are being fed by the MSM and other morons on that website. Along with opinion "articles" being passed on as actual bonafide fact.

Then they get even more mad when they can't do jack shit about it.

I just laugh and let them be idiots, there's no rationalizing and explaining with them.

I only reach out to people who have a sane rationale and are willing to listen, I think this is one of the most important things we can do to solidify and populate our base with an incoming Trump presidency.

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(11-17-2016 04:34 PM)Gmac Wrote:  How do you guys know Trump didn't purposefully set up all these "lobbyists" just so he could have Pence shoot them down?

No offense but this doesn't make sense, Trump doesn't really do the kind of riddle within an enigma stuff which is claimed by some commentators. If anything, every time we begin debating if he is throwing fakes, it's because Kushner or someone else is involved and murking the water. Remember the Manafort debacle? Go back and read, lots of people saying the same and praising Manafort all the while they were losing big. Away goes Manafort, Bannon comes in, within literally days it is back to full steam ahead.

Christie picked those guys. Trump like Christie, but he likes Kushner more for some reason. Perhaps it's because Ivanka is the pie of his eye. If Trump has a weakness perhaps it is that he loves his family so much and might be influenced through them.
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RE: Who should be in Trump's cabinet?
As I've said before, Manafort was appropriate for the stage of the campaign that he was in (haggling for delegates and making sure the convention went smoothly). When he outlived his purpose he went and Conway and Bannon came in. Manafort also lived in Trump Tower and Trump considered him a "winner." To say Kushner was the one totally behind Manafort (who you've chosen not to like and therefore brings in all kinds of scary confirmation bias theories) is stretching it too far.

It is a very, very good thing that Christie is gone. I hope Giuliani goes next.

Here's the most hilarious thing I've heard so far - Trump is supposedly meeting Romney on Sunday as a possible State pick. Laugh

It's obvious he's still A/B testing, but the optics of this are hilarious. Might actually be somewhat useful. It's a classic 48 Laws of Power strategy - turning enemies into friends so you neutralize them as forces against you. Calms down scaredy cats and keeps the establishment in line taking his orders, strengthening Trump's own position.

Obviously I'd prefer someone else, a non-cuck who was unambiguously against intervening in these stupid wars from the very beginning like Webb (who is perfect for either State or DoD), but there could be a hidden utility in it if something like this winds up being the case.

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RE: Who should be in Trump's cabinet?
To quote the dude (and I'm not really a fan), "that's just, like, your opinion man", and so is mine. Occams Razor applies, Trump was not playing 4D chess with Manafort and things turned around the second he was gone.
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(11-17-2016 05:51 PM)weambulance Wrote:  Now I'm seeing all these retards on facebook trying to get people to contact their US Senators, to get their Senators to argue against the appointment of Bannon.

...Except Bannon is being appointed to a position that requires exactly zero advice and consent from the Senate.

I almost slipped up and corrected them out of a vestigial spergy impulse. But hey, let them waste resources and time. I wouldn't want to interrupt them.

Exactly. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

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What is this rumor with Romney?
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