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Sex as a motivation for male accomplishments
A Psychology Today article argues that women are the reason why men strive to do anything important:
Quote:This is why men throughout history have had to conquer foreign lands, win battles and wars, compose symphonies, author books, write sonnets, paint portraits and cathedral ceilings, make scientific discoveries, play in rock bands, and write new computer software, in order to impress women so that they will agree to have sex with them. There would be no civilization, no art, no literature, no music, no Beatles, no Microsoft, if sex and mating were a male choice. Men have built (and destroyed) civilizations in order to impress women so that they might say yes. Women are the reason men do everything.

I see a similar sentiment in some manosphere articles that claim that civilization depends on betas' being rewarded for their productivity with sexual access to women. Dave Chappelle also said, "If a man could fuck a woman in a cardboard box, he wouldn't buy a house." It is true that a desire to get laid has motivated a lot of men to get an apartment in the city, vacuum the carpet, etc. A typical man will put in enough effort to rise to whatever standard of mediocre achievement is necessary to not seem to women like a total loser.

But I doubt the reason some men go above and beyond the norm is just for the sake of getting laid. Great accomplishment often requires taking risks and making long-term investments. Women, however, are mostly just interested in the product of men's labor, not in the journey (except to the extent that the journey produces desirable masculine characteristics, such as confidence and strength, in the man). They are attracted to success, yet success at any groundbreaking endeavor is usually not assured, and may not come to fruition in one's lifetime.

If sex were the only incentive for being a member of a rock band, then we would probably have a surplus of singers, and a shortage of bass players, as guys sought to get into the roles where they could attract the most pussy. If impressing girls were the only incentive to write software, then no one would bother with unsexy projects, like database backend improvements for obscure open-source applications. Men would, in short, not bother to toil for the benefit of humanity in any ways that women are unlikely to understand or appreciate. They would not serve in mostly thankless roles just for the sake of pride in the knowledge of their own awesomeness, or for the admiration of equally obscure peers in communities no one ever heard of. It's hard to focus on what will truly bring value to the world, if at all times you are distracted by thinking about whether others (and especially women) will approve.

Empirically, we observe that boys' interest in achievement in sports, hobbies, etc. often arises long before they develop much interest in girls. If it were otherwise, the years leading up to puberty (or whenever the sexual desire for women arises) would be mostly wasted. Neil Strauss writes, "A man has two primary drives in early adulthood: one toward power, success, and accomplishment; the other toward love, companionship, and sex." The drive for accomplishment stands alone and is not just a means to the end of attaining sex.

Women can boost a man's morale by assisting him in his endeavors; adding cleanliness and comfort to his environment; and making him feel accepted, loved, appreciated, etc.; but self-respect must come from within, and be based on a man's belief in his own value and contributions (rather than on what other's think). If he does not have self-respect, he will be unhappy, and the woman in his life will feel inadequate and unwanted for not being able to make him happy. She will feel useless in her life's purpose of devoting herself to a strong man's happiness.

Sometimes a man, lacking a mission of his own, will decide to pass the time by making it his mission to attract women, or please a woman. Yet, this means that his success is dependent on another person, rather that on his own efforts. How is he going to serve as a woman's rock, and remain stoical despite her emotionality and the normal ups and the downs that relationships go through, if his happiness is dependent on her happiness, rather than on a mission that is independent of her?

I have heard some men say that the reason they do not accomplish more is that they are depressed at not having female companionship. Digging deeper, one often discovers that what they are hoping to find in a woman is someone who will share their interests, so that they will not feel lonely in their life's journey. Yet, women are almost always uninterested in getting deeply involved in masculine activities and passions. They may learn enough lingo from Wikipedia to have a surface appearance of familiarity and interest in the topic, and claim to be fans, but that's about it. So, one still feels lonely in that respect even with a wife or girlfriend. Much more helpful to maintaining the morale needed to keep working on a major project is having male friends, allies, collaborators, etc. who can share a genuine rather than superficial enthusiasm.

If anything, a wife and family will often inhibit one from pursuing a risky mission or one with a payoff in the distant future, because of their need for immediate and ongoing financial stability. Desire for sex can also be a motivator for men to engage in nefarious, anti-civilization activities; for example, Frank Abagnale (the basis for the film Catch Me If You Can) said that his primary motive for impersonating doctors, pilots, etc. was to attract women. Islamist terrorists bomb civilians in hopes of sexual reward in the afterlife. Men will also develop a lot of pseudo-intellectual ideas (like astrology and other chick crack) to attract women, rather than pursuing more useful (but obscure) ideas that women would find nerdy and boring.

Some men, like Elliot Rodger, have said that they killed because they lacked a woman; but in all likelihood, they also lacked a mission and thus felt totally adrift in life. A mission will sustain you better during a time when women are absent from your life, than women will sustain you during a time when a sense of mission is absent from your life. Men lacking game will sometimes tell themselves, "I need to finish working on my career (or my studies, or whatever) before girls will be interested in me" but this is usually just a stalling tactic to avoid going out of their comfort zone, rather than having much basis in truth.

The idea that a woman could have a "face that launches a thousand ships" is more an acknowledgement of the power that delusional one-itis can have over a man, than proof of women's central role in motivating male achievement. One-itis, though, can also be a man's ruin, as the need to impress one woman, or his dismay at failing to do so, occupies all of his thoughts. When I look back at the times when I was most crippled by one-itis to the point of devastation at being rejected, those were also times when I didn't have a strong sense of mission in my life. When I've had a strong mission, girls have usually been a secondary interest, to the point that when a girl hit me up for a booty call, I would delay going over there for hours (much to her annoyance) because I was working on something else.

I think it's counterproductive to adopt a gynocentric view of male motivation, in which it's assumed that men NEED women in order to have any motivation to be productive. Male-only parties have explored and conquered far-off continents and established settlements. Even if relations between the sexes are dysfunctional, and relationships prove less than satisfactory, we can still find happiness and meaning in this life. This can still be a time of progress for civilization and for individual men, despite all the havoc feminists wreak. It's arguably women who are hurt the most by feminism, because they don't have a mission they can fall back on as a source of satisfaction when they don't have a good relationship.

Women do betray and reject men, yet they cannot control a man's sense of self-worth if he already knows he has given himself reason to be sure of it. Therefore, they cannot truly wound him deeply unless he already is weak as a result of his own inadequacies. Women can withhold or take away everything they had to offer, but no more. Awareness of the limitations on women's power to damage men can help temper the anger phase of Red Pill conversion.
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RE: Sex as a motivation for male accomplishments
Sex is the meaning of life.

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RE: Sex as a motivation for male accomplishments
Give average guy money and he will do something for it. Give average guy pussy and he will do anything for it.
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RE: Sex as a motivation for male accomplishments
(11-24-2016 10:40 AM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  If sex were the only incentive for being a member of a rock band, then we would probably have a surplus of singers, and a shortage of bass players...

If there were no bass players, there would be no singers, either. Every singer (in a band) needs a bass player. Otherwise, there is no band.

What you're saying is the same as saying "if sex were the only incentive for having a good job, there would be a surplus of CEO's and a shortage of middle-management guys." This is obviously not the case, because if no one was willing to work middle-management, the CEO's would be out of a job as well.

Additionally, while being a bass player is not as good as being the lead singer, it is better than not being in a band at all. And while working middle-management is not as good as being the CEO, it is better than not having a job or working at McDonald's.

Ask yourself this: If you were 100% sure you would never fuck a woman again for the rest of your life, how motivated would you really be in life? Would you care about achieving anything beyond mere survival? Would you even care if you lived or died?

If I knew I would never fuck a woman or reproduce, I would not have much motivation to achieve anything. In that situation, I might look for a cause to fight and die for, so that I could at least say my life meant something. But I would not have the motivation to spend years trying to build and achieve things. What's the point of having a million bucks if there are no women to fuck and you have no children to leave your wealth to?

If I were to be sentenced to life in prison, I think the worst part would be not being able to fuck a woman ever again. There is a reason why some guys in prison choose to fuck other guys.
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RE: Sex as a motivation for male accomplishments
(11-24-2016 01:37 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  If I were to be sentenced to life in prison, I think the worst part would be not being able to fuck a woman ever again. There is a reason why some guys in prison choose to fuck other guys.

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RE: Sex as a motivation for male accomplishments
I don't disagree. Notice how the big catalyst for a lot of guys on here to change their lives for the better was a lack of sexual access?

Now here's the flipside: when you have women giving it away for free to deadbeats, bartenders, etc. because of "empowerement" then how motivated are those men going to ever be to improve themselves?

There's a reason that we used allow the control of female sexuality by family members. One of the effects that most people miss is that doing so also shifted the market because men had to achieve a reasonable level of normalcy and social efficacy in order to reproduce(because otherwise the approval of family members,required to reproduce, would be absent). It made men more industrious, smarter, and more economically self sufficient.
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RE: Sex as a motivation for male accomplishments
Does anyone really believe that Zuckerberg was motivated by sex when he created Facebook and turned it into a billion dollar company? Do you believe that Gates was motivated by sex? I doubt it.
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(11-24-2016 02:30 PM)Iso Wrote:  Does anyone really believe that Zuckerberg was motivated by sex when he created Facebook and turned it into a billion dollar company? Do you believe that Gates was motivated by sex? I doubt it.

What motivates the world : pussy & money
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Even though, I would say "power" instead of money to be broader.
Regarding the thread, there was an exact article on that subject by Roosh, but I can't manage to find it again.

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RE: Sex as a motivation for male accomplishments
(11-24-2016 01:37 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  
(11-24-2016 10:40 AM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  If sex were the only incentive for being a member of a rock band, then we would probably have a surplus of singers, and a shortage of bass players...

If there were no bass players, there would be no singers, either. Every singer (in a band) needs a bass player. Otherwise, there is no band.

What you're saying is the same as saying "if sex were the only incentive for having a good job, there would be a surplus of CEO's and a shortage of middle-management guys." This is obviously not the case, because if no one was willing to work middle-management, the CEO's would be out of a job as well.

Additionally, while being a bass player is not as good as being the lead singer, it is better than not being in a band at all. And while working middle-management is not as good as being the CEO, it is better than not having a job or working at McDonald's.

Ask yourself this: If you were 100% sure you would never fuck a woman again for the rest of your life, how motivated would you really be in life? Would you care about achieving anything beyond mere survival? Would you even care if you lived or died?

If I knew I would never fuck a woman or reproduce, I would not have much motivation to achieve anything. In that situation, I might look for a cause to fight and die for, so that I could at least say my life meant something. But I would not have the motivation to spend years trying to build and achieve things. What's the point of having a million bucks if there are no women to fuck and you have no children to leave your wealth to?

If I were to be sentenced to life in prison, I think the worst part would be not being able to fuck a woman ever again. There is a reason why some guys in prison choose to fuck other guys.

I would argue many accept not having sex, the priests and religious of the catholic communities do that already. They live for something outside this world, and are not motivated by sex.

In terms of the author, I had a nasty one-itis recently that I am still healing from. I noticed that she did help me get motivitated to go workout and strive to be better, but ultimately I was willing to lose her to accomplish my goals, and I did. It demotivated me for a bit, but I am still working on my goals.
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RE: Sex as a motivation for male accomplishments
THere's aspects of truth in the claim.
Hot women are powerful only because the power of men GIVE THEM that power.

But anyway, I'd look men striving for stuff a)to obtain sex(ual intercourse) and b)quality sex.
But also c) striving because of their sex or to use the faggot word "gender".

Some things are about male pride, feeling like a man etc. I learned how to fight to be a man, how to play football etc. One of my brands of humour only impresses males or women I DON'T want to fuck. ANd its the same in other areas. I made money to influence things. If I wanted to impress hoes, I could do it via showy means instead. So clearly its not JUST about pussy.

I know quite a few people who went down career paths to get money, to impress hoes. But I know plenty of rich people who fuck/marry pigs and their business is about pride, freedom, security NOT getting pussy.

So like I said, elements of truth.
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RE: Sex as a motivation for male accomplishments
Roosh made a video on this


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(11-24-2016 01:37 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  If I knew I would never fuck a woman or reproduce, I would not have much motivation to achieve anything. In that situation, I might look for a cause to fight and die for, so that I could at least say my life meant something. But I would not have the motivation to spend years trying to build and achieve things. What's the point of having a million bucks if there are no women to fuck and you have no children to leave your wealth to?

Finding a cause to fight and die for might not be such a bad use of one's life. Arguably, we need more men to do that. It doesn't even have to be a literal death that they die; men, freed from having to attract a woman and support a family, might simply become bolder about taking up unpopular causes that will likely result in ostracism (social death), or taking risks that COULD lead to their deaths.

I'm not sure what motivates heterosexual, teleiophilic men to become priests, but perhaps a lot of them were incels. I wonder if Elliot Rodger would've joined the priesthood if he had been Catholic.
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RE: Sex as a motivation for male accomplishments
I would argue that a cause, a mission, however humble, should be a motivating force in a man's life. Never live for women, or even worse, for a woman.

And of course, that attitude is nothing but catnip to pussy.

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(11-24-2016 10:40 AM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  Women do betray and reject men, yet they cannot control a man's sense of self-worth if he already knows he has given himself reason to be sure of it. Therefore, they cannot truly wound him deeply unless he already is weak as a result of his own inadequacies. Women can withhold or take away everything they had to offer, but no more. Awareness of the limitations on women's power to damage men can help temper the anger phase of Red Pill conversion.

here is the thing man. no woman has much power over you - energetically - until you fuck her and unite your emotional bodies - even if for a brief moment of time. i am NOT saying vagina dentata is real, but there is something to it.

the only women that always had and still have strong emotional sway over me - apart from my mother in whose womb i spent NINE FUCKING MONTH - are those i've been inside of. a man has to be very careful about where, how and into who he sticks his lingam if he wants his foundations to stay strong.
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RE: Sex as a motivation for male accomplishments
Then how do you explain successful homosexuals?

This blogger's theory sounds too simplistic, and it glorifies women as the reason the earth goes 'round. I don't buy it.
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(02-18-2017 09:38 AM)medicine man Wrote:  
(11-24-2016 10:40 AM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  Women do betray and reject men, yet they cannot control a man's sense of self-worth if he already knows he has given himself reason to be sure of it. Therefore, they cannot truly wound him deeply unless he already is weak as a result of his own inadequacies. Women can withhold or take away everything they had to offer, but no more. Awareness of the limitations on women's power to damage men can help temper the anger phase of Red Pill conversion.

here is the thing man. no woman has much power over you - energetically - until you fuck her and unite your emotional bodies - even if for a brief moment of time. i am NOT saying vagina dentata is real, but there is something to it.

the only women that always had and still have strong emotional sway over me - apart from my mother in whose womb i spent NINE FUCKING MONTH - are those i've been inside of. a man has to be very careful about where, how and into who he sticks his lingam if he wants his foundations to stay strong.

Yes, CH wrote that banging her makes the difference between acute and malignant oneitis. He says the two causes are, "1. Investment raises the value of a girl. 2. The girls who came after the oneitis were not as good looking."

My theory (based on personal experience) is, the malignant oneitis happens when the girl says something like, "I'm going to fuck your brains out, and love you forever, and have your babies, and never leave you, and never want anyone else, and never expect anything of you in return except for your love."

Then she fucks your brains out, but flakes out of doing all the rest of what she said she would do, accusing you of being such a bad boyfriend (or husband) to her that, while she had been prepared originally to do everything you could have ever wanted, you messed it up through your bad behavior. She'll cry convincing tears and everyone in your family and social circle will say, "Wow, you really messed up a good thing. Too bad you didn't appreciate what you had till it was gone."

All this brainwashing distorts your sense of reality to the point that you believe it. You tell yourself, "What she's saying must be true, because she told me she was going to fuck my brains out, and sure enough, she fucked my brains out. Therefore, she has established credibility as a woman of her word, and everything else she said must be an accurate account of the truth as well. How will I ever find a woman as good as she was?"

THAT'S how you get mindfucked into some seriously malignant oneitis.

Why does she do whatever she can to brainwash and mindfuck you in this way? First, so that she can disable you from accusing her of being the one at fault for the breakup. She can't handle the guilt of having broken her word and hurt you, so she has to put the blame on you, and it helps her avoid cognitive dissonance if she can get even you to confess your (real and imaginary) faults and blame yourself, admitting 100% responsibility for what happened. Second, when you're pining for her, it shows that you're low-value compared to her, and therefore, she's not missing out on anything great by not being with you anymore. She can then move on more easily and forget you.
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