Post: #51

(12-13-2016 12:36 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  ^^^

No, they're not fighting over soccer. It's a primal urge. They're doing it because they're men and they are expressing themselves. The reason could be anything.

Guys will test each other. Doesn't matter what the issue is. Could be something totally inconsequential.

It's how men communicate: whether they are Oxford dons, blue-collar wage earners, or incarcerated prisoners.

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I remember when I was about 12 and I was playing with a couple of other kids on my street, throwing a ball around. I'm not sure what happened but one minute everything was fine, the next moment one of them was punching me for no good reason. Maybe he thought I did something, but I know I didn't, and so it felt so unfair and wrong. But just as soon as I'd formed that thought in my mind I found myself with my fists up, ready to go, which was strange because I've never been a fighter. But it just happened automatically.

So for the next couple of minutes (or probably less, these things happen so fast) we were fighting, and I have to say, I loved it. In a weird way it almost felt civilized. There was no pain, just a sense of doing what needed to be done. Towards the end we were struggling against a hedge and it was all down to who would get the other down on the ground. I was so determined to get him down but I ended up losing, but then I got up and punched and kicked him one last time before the other kid put an end to it. He said good fight, I felt quite emotional (I almost cried right there), and that was that. We may or may not have shaken hands, I can't remember.

That was the only fight I've ever had. To this day I don't know what came over him and why he felt the need to start a fight with me, and if I ever met him again and asked, he probably wouldn't have a clue. I'm thankful that he did though. It's one of my fondest memories.

Post: #52

Quintus is right. It is an instinct in all men - it's what nature designed us for. Trouble is, the feminised culture and education system thinks that you can simply suppress it, drive it out of us. You can't: it must be understood, disciplined and then released. Civilisations throughout history knew this and harnessed it. Now in the West we have a bunch of frustrated, emasculated men who feel angst and rage they can't release. It's like not being allowed to have sex- the pressure will build and will be released, but if you don't understand and manage it you end up with unpredictable results.

I have scars on my hands from knocking teeth out (I never started a fight, though), and girls feign disgust but their eyes say otherwise. Also, sex after fighting and winning is way better. Feels like...victory. That's probably why girls love a wrestle first - so they can submit to you.

Post: #53

^^^

Quintus, lets agree to disagree. Football related deaths are more than well documented. And many times is a poor sucker crossing paths with these psychos sporting a flag or scarf of a different color than them. Or someone who got stuck in a stadium melee (See Heysel Park or Hillsborough). I have no simpathy for football hooligans, I think they should get a life. If Russians want to fight, the Russian army has their arms open or they can venture in Donbass or Syria. If Scandinavians or British want to fight, there are plenty of muslim rapists to be dealt with. If Portuguese want to fight, they can go to the door of the corrupt MP's assembly. There are plenty of causes for all tastes to fight for. Hell, they can go into a ring and fight.

Sure most of this videos show organized showdowns, but their behaviour around the stadiums and matches is similar.

No offense but I think it is hard for americans to understand the passion that surrounds football and the hooliganism phenomenom, because it is a secondary or tertiary sport in the US. Unlike in Europe or South America, where in any coffee shop there is all the time someone discussing or having an argument about football and the referee error in the last derby, etc.

I have had friends beaten up badly by hooligan thugs just because they where wearing different colours. I had the intelligence to never show my colors when I was younger and still gave importance to that sport, possibly maybe because I supported a team from a rival town of the one I lived.

Post: #54

(12-12-2016 11:52 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 11:36 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 12:46 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 11:48 PM)Wealth of Spirit Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 07:39 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  More people need to do this. It would solve a lot of problems.

Imagine if this was the RVF crew vs. the crew of pudwacks from, say, CNN.

As for the video, Russians gonna Russian.

I think Quintus was being playful.


This has nothing to do with martial arts.

I was dead serious.

Look at that video again. What you just saw is one of the few remaining opportunities that young men have in the Western world to express a normal (and healthy) fraternal violence.

It is good. It is right. It is beautiful.

I loved fighting with pugil sticks back in the old USMC days. Most of the time I would get my head bashed. But sometimes I would get to do a little smashing myself.

And it was glorious. Your adrenalin is surging through your system, and you are quivering from the release of endorphins.

This the abode of the Great God Pain, as Ernst Junger would say. And it needs to be visited and paid homage to, every so often.

I am against the purpose. Football clubs / sports of masses do not deserve regular guys breaking limbs or suffer more injuries in meaningless fights. Also, they get the same adrenaline fighting somewhere one on one, and not 2 or 3 vs. one has it's been seen in many of these fights, where potential head damage and thrauma can be easily acquired via a sucker punch or similar maneuver.
It would be fun to check out the type and number of injuries in the end of one of these brawls. Certainly most of these fellas do not have to wake up soon to go to work the next day, or have families to feed.

Everything you said is wrong.

This field "meetings" probably evolved from typical English-style hooligans. It began in the streets during football matches, just mass of drunk people doing riots. But probably because of police measures, it had moved to this secret meetings. And those guys are not english drunks, but sober russian/polish (or any different eastern european nationality) fighters, who train MMA hard. And that´s how it became sport.

That moment when you are standing against 10/20/30/40 (choose) fighters, that´s when your man´s instinct revive, you overcome fear and do crazy stuff for one minute. Then adrenaline disappears and you are back to everyday reality.

EDIT: Group fights have even tradition in Russia (Stenka)

Post: #55

(12-12-2016 11:36 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 12:46 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 11:48 PM)Wealth of Spirit Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 07:39 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  More people need to do this. It would solve a lot of problems.

Imagine if this was the RVF crew vs. the crew of pudwacks from, say, CNN.

As for the video, Russians gonna Russian.

I think Quintus was being playful.


This has nothing to do with martial arts.

I was dead serious.

Look at that video again. What you just saw is one of the few remaining opportunities that young men have in the Western world to express a normal (and healthy) fraternal violence.

It is good. It is right. It is beautiful.

I loved fighting with pugil sticks back in the old USMC days. Most of the time I would get my head bashed. But sometimes I would get to do a little smashing myself.

And it was glorious. Your adrenalin is surging through your system, and you are quivering from the release of endorphins.

This the abode of the Great God Pain, as Ernst Junger would say. And it needs to be visited and paid homage to, every so often.

One of the last and sadly, forgotten minds of Europe. Even if our nations and peoples were at logger heads. Respect for this man.

Post: #56

(12-13-2016 01:45 PM)Rocha Wrote:  ^^^
Quintus, lets agree to disagree. Football related deaths are more than well documented. And many times is a poor sucker crossing paths with these psychos sporting a flag or scarf of a different color than them.

Rocha, mate, you're not listening to my words. You're not hearing me.

I never said that the hooligan life was good. I never said that it was good to assault people or live a violent life. I never even hinted at that; I having nothing good to say about criminality and hooliganism.

We're talking about two different things. I'm trying to make a point in the realm of ideas. You're talking about something else (the hooligan life). I happen to agree with you, but your point is not germane to this conversation we're having here.

I don't want to let this point go because it is such a critical part of my world-view. I'm saying that struggle, confrontation, and a clash of wills is good: it tests the wills of men in the arena, and helps them hone their instincts. You must never shirk your responsibility to learn how to take abuse. You must learn how to endure pain and punches.

The Italian humanist Bartolomeo Fonzio said this in 1511:

"So advance, fight unflichingly with steel, and bring to bear standard against standard, weapon against weapon, and chest against chest. And I, the spectator of your fortitude...will be there, and will honor each of you according to his merits."

What a beautiful quote. I even inscribed this sentence on the title page of "Pantheon." The point is: get used to struggle. You will lose. You will win. And some you will draw. The important thing is to stay in the game and keep hitting the bastards. I had a big win last week in court when I crushed a student loan creditor. And it was...glorious. I don't always win. But I stay in the game. Always.

It is good, and it is right. We all need to learn how to give hits, and how to take them.

You're going to take abuse all your life, believe me. So you might as well get in there now and learn to like it. It will save you pain later on.

Check these out for more details:

https://qcurtius.com/2015/10/12/my-own-t...mandments/

https://qcurtius.com/2016/01/18/you-neve...-down-ray/

https://qcurtius.com/2015/08/21/the-conq...-and-fear/

https://qcurtius.com/2016/03/20/the-need...-ideology/

Post: #57

(12-14-2016 01:55 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 01:45 PM)Rocha Wrote:  ^^^
Quintus, lets agree to disagree. Football related deaths are more than well documented. And many times is a poor sucker crossing paths with these psychos sporting a flag or scarf of a different color than them.

Rocha, mate, you're not listening to my words. You're not hearing me.

I never said that the hooligan life was good. I never said that it was good to assault people or live a violent life. I never even hinted at that; I having nothing good to say about criminality and hooliganism.

We're talking about two different things. I'm trying to make a point in the realm of ideas. You're talking about something else (the hooligan life). I happen to agree with you, but your point is not germane to this conversation we're having here.

I don't want to let this point go because it is such a critical part of my world-view. I'm saying that struggle, confrontation, and a clash of wills is good: it tests the wills of men in the arena, and helps them hone their instincts. You must never shirk your responsibility to learn how to take abuse. You must learn how to endure pain and punches.

It is good, and it is right. We all need to learn how to give hits, and how to take them.

You're going to take abuse all your life, believe me. So you might as well get in there now and learn to like it. It will save you pain later on.

Check these out for more details:

https://qcurtius.com/2015/10/12/my-own-t...mandments/

https://qcurtius.com/2016/01/18/you-neve...-down-ray/

https://qcurtius.com/2015/08/21/the-conq...-and-fear/

https://qcurtius.com/2016/03/20/the-need...-ideology/

I am struggling right now with a fractured upper rib from a well placed punch in Kickboxing sparring... I have been taking some punches along the way and can take them...I just do not like being injured...possibly the discomfort of not feeling 100% ok physically is making me softer or sound pacifist wich definitely I am not

Post: #58

Green Street Hooligans is a good watch for anyone interested in learning about the Hooligan movement in England. Charlie Hunnam is a hard-hitting no nonsense Alpha that teaches Elijah Wood about earning respect, trust, and power among fellow men.

Elijah Wood's character is unbearable at points, but it is interesting watching him transform from beta to somewhat alpha by the end of it.

Post: #59

Better movie about hooligans is Russian Okolo Futbola, abot Moscow hooligans scene. If you watch both movies, you can see the difference between oldschool English scene and Eastern European.

Post: #60

(12-14-2016 02:49 PM)The White Wolf Wrote:  Green Street Hooligans is a good watch for anyone interested in learning about the Hooligan movement in England. Charlie Hunnam is a hard-hitting no nonsense Alpha that teaches Elijah Wood about earning respect, trust, and power among fellow men.

Elijah Wood's character is unbearable at points, but it is interesting watching him transform from beta to somewhat alpha by the end of it.

I beg to differ its a terrible movie, made for a Hollywood audience.

Football factory, I.D or the Firm are better movies, more realistic because they were made by ex english football hooligans or at least wannabes who came from the same area were the original hooligans came from.

Post: #61

I beg to differ its a terrible movie, made for a Hollywood audience.

Football factory, I.D or the Firm are better movies, more realistic because they were made by ex english football hooligans or at least wannabes who came from the same area were the original hooligans came from.
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I won't argue that it has Hollywood characteristics to it.

But I notice that it has red-pill moments as well.
- highlighting the flakiness of women
- standing by your brothers even when you're outnumbered
- intolerance of disrespect
- valuing honesty and telling things how they are

As I said before, Elijah Wood was difficult to watch, and I would have liked it more if he was not in the main role

Post: #62

Green Street Hooligans in Eastern Europe... Loving it.

Post: #63

I train everyday to be ready for battle when evil comes my way or to my family which it will. You are not a man if you have poor fitness/strength due to being a couch potato. Forget game, forget women, this is the one thing you have been born to do from the moment you came into this world, do not shirk this responsibility.

Post: #64

New BBC document about Russian hooligans





Before you judge, there is a lot of wisdom. There are many masculline thoughts. These guys raise manhood from the ashes.
"We want to be stronger and better in order to defend ourselves, our family, our people. Just ask anyone what a Russian man is and they will say Russian man is a fighter. There was a time when people thought of Russian as vodka, folk guitars and furry boots, that has gone now. "

Post: #65

(02-19-2017 04:58 AM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  New BBC document about Russian hooligans





Before you judge, there is a lot of wisdom. There are many masculline thoughts. These guys raise manhood from the ashes.
"We want to be stronger and better in order to defend ourselves, our family, our people. Just ask anyone what a Russian man is and they will say Russian man is a fighter. There was a time when people thought of Russian as vodka, folk guitars and furry boots, that has gone now. "

Thanks for posting the documentary. It's mostly typical BBC whining with dark music. If you filter that out it has some real gems.

"The current state of Today's English hooligans is the same as your western culture and civilisation. I mean deeply in the garbage bin."

Russian Hooligans usually are straight edge, disciplined and highly trained in Martial Arts. No wonder they mopped the floor with fat and drunk chavs.





Im not into that scene but I like the attitude and think every man should train for this. All in all I'd prefer it if they would meet up in more remote places to minimize collateral damage and police presence, as it becomes ultimately a burden for the tax payer. Also fighting on pavement isn't ideal and should be avoided when possible. I have heard too many stories of guys dying or falling into a coma when their head hit the hard ground. I don't think killing each for sport while our countries are invaded by muslims should not be anyone's goal.

Post: #66

(02-19-2017 05:47 AM)reciproke Wrote:  Thanks for posting the documentary. It's mostly typical BBC whining with dark music. If you filter that out it has some real gems.

"The current state of Today's English hooligans is the same as your western culture and civilisation. I mean deeply in the garbage bin."

Russian Hooligans usually are straight edge, disciplined and highly trained in Martial Arts. No wonder they mopped the floor with fat and drunk chavs.





Im not into that scene but I like the attitude and think every man should train for this. All in all I'd prefer it if they would meet up in more remote places to minimize collateral damage and police presence, as it becomes ultimately a burden for the tax payer. Also fighting on pavement isn't ideal and should be avoided when possible. I have heard too many stories of guys dying or falling into a coma when their head hit the hard ground. I don't think killing each for sport while our countries are invaded by muslims should not be anyone's goal.

In defence of the Brits, many of their hardcore hools have been blacklisted meaning that they cannot travel abroad whereas their Russian counterparts have passive backing from the state.

Like yourself, I fully agree with rival firms training and then meeting up in an isolated area and fighting it out. However my biggest concern now is that hools wreaking havoc in cities, attacking innocent bystanders (families with kids). People will be killed. Btw, ganging up and kicking a man on the ground is the ultimate act of cowardice. Hools if they go down this route, should note that if worse comes to worst, they could be on the receiving end of a vicious beating or a bullet from a vengeful cop.

Post: #67

I see what you mean, but as long as the guy is conscious he can get back up and attack from behind. It's brutal, but tactically the only right choice. Also note that they stop hitting him as soon as they see that he's out. Judging from the footage and the documentary I didn't get the impression that they attack innocent bystanders or families. Actually they guys made a pretty decent impression. Men you can count on and I would love to have them behind me. We in the West are really missing this kind of warrior brotherhood. At the moment I'm completely on my own basically. It sucks not having a tribe.

Post: #68

That´s part of it. Western society is not used to such extreme violence. Yes, it looks horrible, but if you are a man, you must be prepared for the extreme violence. The intention was to shock Europe.

There are field fights all around Europe, but the most of them happen in Russia and Poland. There are the best and the most disciplined fighters. Also the Russian rules are tougher. They beat you until you are unconscious. More to the west, it works like you can say "Stop". But remember, when you do that, your comrades will be beaten.
Once I attended this field meeting with Germans, they were big, good fighters and honourable.

Post: #69

Hah. Just wait until it's "immigrants" doing same when it's got nothing to do with sports and they're not going "home" in a week.

Except we don't have to wait. It's already happening and it's only the frequency that's going to change.

Post: #70

(02-19-2017 04:58 AM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  New BBC document about Russian hooligans





Before you judge, there is a lot of wisdom. There are many masculline thoughts. These guys raise manhood from the ashes.
"We want to be stronger and better in order to defend ourselves, our family, our people. Just ask anyone what a Russian man is and they will say Russian man is a fighter. There was a time when people thought of Russian as vodka, folk guitars and furry boots, that has gone now. "

English are making seem like they're angel. I spent 40 days in France for Euro 2016 and I was in Marseille when these fights broke out. Two days after England vs Russia fights, French also fought against English.

English were complaining about that Turks are very hostile towards them 10 years ago, Turks haven't really fought against anyone except English until now. They're complaining about Russian fans now, they really haven't touched anyone Slovakian or from Wales in France.

English have to ask this question to themselves, "Why is everyone fighting against us and not anyone else?"