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RE: Terror attack feared in Berlin as truck ploughs through packed Christmas market
You guys hoping for a response from millennial and the baby boomers who keep them will be waiting a a long time.

I reckon the younger generation(s) will go to war and the millennial who hate this happening will be the older guys helping out.
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I'm not helping out. I left Germany.

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Where did you relocate to and why did you chose that new country?

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The why is clear, because I don't support the downfall of Germany and the direction where it moves. The best way to rebel against the system is to avoid to give it taxes.
Moved to an exotic place, different people, different culture, strange language and customs. I'm in Austria now.

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The media is now reporting that apparently the Germans tried to remove the Tunisian before as part of a terrorist probe, but his home country refused him.

Trump should slam the pro-immigration crowd with this hard. Perfect opportunitiy to show leftist policies lead to death.

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(12-21-2016 03:15 PM)Parzival Wrote:  The why is clear, because I don't support the downfall of Germany and the direction where it moves. The best way to rebel against the system is to avoid to give it taxes.
Moved to an exotic place, different people, different culture, strange language and customs. I'm in Austria now.

Austristan is right behind Germanistan - the mountain areas are just more diversity free.
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Even Hannibal crossed the Alps, so I'm not living in an illusion. They just arrested a terrorist in Salzburg. Not to mention another terrorist got arrested in Germany with connection to the Paris attackers.

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Unsurprisingly, Berliners have learned nothing from the events of the past few days.


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Parzival is correct. Remove the income from taxes, you will starve the coiffers. No money, hopefully it collapses.

How stupid is Germany to accept Tunisias position to not accept their own tunisian national. Canada had a similar position with a Palestinian from Dubai? Which didn't want to accept him. Trump shall fix this stupid policy fir the States. I hope Trudeau does the same.
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(12-21-2016 09:43 PM)tomtud Wrote:  Parzival is correct. Remove the income from taxes, you will starve the coiffers. No money, hopefully it collapses.

How stupid is Germany to accept Tunisias position to not accept their own tunisian national. Canada had a similar position with a Palestinian from Dubai? Which didn't want to accept him. Trump shall fix this stupid policy fir the States. I hope Trudeau does the same.

Wouldn't count on Trudeau to do the same, short of massive terrorist attacks. Canadians pride themselves on being more morally superior than your average American, and many are aghast we elected Trump. The average Canadian doesn't realize just how much Trump really needs to clean up. Trudeau is on record being a Muslim loving prick. Short of voting in new leadership or a massive terrorist attack, you will get more of the same madness that Germany is currently suffering through. Hopefully Trump will get his Muslim ban instituted ASAP for visa seekers.

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(12-21-2016 09:25 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  Unsurprisingly, Berliners have learned nothing from the events of the past few days.


All middle aged to older white women. Driving their country to the grave in an effort to look progressive. Two colored folks in the entire crowd, maybe even paid to be there.

This is what happens when you give women the right to vote, folks.

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(12-21-2016 12:29 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Spoke with a German friend yesterday, he thinks there is zero chance Merkel loses. Events like this change nothing in his eyes.

Yeah I just looked at 2017 timing -- Ramadan is May 27 to June 25 and the German Election will be between Late August and Mid October. Assuming several terrorist attacks happen during Ramadan like 2016 then the summer break will be enough time for leftist Germans to forget about the bloodshed and Vote Merkel
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(12-21-2016 11:46 PM)Samseau Wrote:  All middle aged to older white women. Driving their country to the grave in an effort to look progressive. Two colored folks in the entire crowd, maybe even paid to be there.

This is what happens when you give women the right to vote, folks.

It also shows a stark lack of understanding of the Muslim mindset. They respect only strength and the Middle East was probably the most impressed after the demonstration of total destruction of WWII that the Western powers displayed.

Currently they see only old women, feeble men and consider Europe "one big brothel" as a Saudi cleric once said on their TV. They would be more impressed if 5.000.000 Germans came out on the streets and demanded to kick them all out and marched with fire and pitchforks on the Reichstag.

But this will never happen - the globalists have certainly used online-algorithms of the surveillance state to know how far they can go with the people. They knew in advance that any opposition to this madness will come way too late to stop it. Otherwise the reason for picking Germany was just economics - the other richer countries will keep on getting immigrants, in a way the EU has succeeded and Germany will get 500.000 this year and the other hundreds of thousands will distribute themselves all across the other ones like UK, France, Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Belgium etc.

So nothing will change - the Jihadis can kill thousands a year and even then I am not convinced that the AFD will win anytime soon.
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It was always to late. There will be more attacks. The reactions will not happen and if so they will be wimpy and weak again. Covered by tolerance.

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(12-21-2016 11:46 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 09:25 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  Unsurprisingly, Berliners have learned nothing from the events of the past few days.


All middle aged to older white women. Driving their country to the grave in an effort to look progressive. Two colored folks in the entire crowd, maybe even paid to be there.

This is what happens when you give women the right to vote, folks.

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What the fuck is that thing?

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What the fuck is that thing?

Its an Antifa faggot:

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This guy had been under surveillance for months, and he had already been ordered to be deported, but he wasn't deported because he had destroyed his passport and Tunisia wouldn't take him back, and the surveillance on him had stopped because they had higher-priority taskings to cover. This entire episode is a massive debacle by the German security services.

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Quote:Catalogue of blunders that left 'Berlin terrorist' free to kill

The prime suspect for the Berlin massacre was under covert surveillance for months as a possible terrorist threat until police let him slip through their grasp earlier this month.

Anis Amri, 24, a Tunisian asylum seeker who arrived in Germany last year, was investigated for “preparing a serious crime endangering national safety”, involving funding the purchase of automatic weapons for use in a terrorist attack.

Amri had been arrested earlier this year and was known to be a supporter of the terrorist group thought to be behind the Sousse terrorist attack in Tunisia, as well as being a suspected disciple of a notorious hate preacher.

He had multiple identity documents with six different aliases under three nationalities, and a criminal record in Italy and Tunisia. He spent four years in an Italian prison before travelling to Germany after an expulsion order expired.

The German authorities, who were on Wednesday facing serious questions about how Amri was still at large, tried to deport him in June, but because he had no valid papers proving his nationality he was allowed to stay.

In a further twist, Germany had asked Tunisia to issue a new passport for him so he could be deported, but the document only arrived on Wednesday – two days after the Christmas market attack that claimed 12 lives. It also emerged that the killer might have received hospital treatment for his injuries before slipping away.

On Wednesday night, Mrs Merkel was receiving regular updates on the huge manhunt for Amri, whose name was found on documents under the driver’s seat in the cab of the lorry used in the attack.

The hunt spread across the borderless Schengen zone, with police conceding that the suspect could have travelled hundreds of miles since Monday night’s outrage.

His brother Abdelkader Amri said from his home in Tunisia: “When I saw the picture of my brother in the media, I couldn’t believe my eyes. I’m in shock, and can’t believe it’s him who committed this crime. If he’s guilty, he deserves every condemnation. We reject terrorism and terrorists – we have no dealings with terrorists.”

Police are believed to have found Amri’s blood in the lorry’s cab. They now assume that whoever was driving the lorry was badly injured, either when pieces of wood smashed through the windscreen or in a fight with Lucasz Urban, the Polish driver.

Squads of officers have been to every hospital in Berlin and the surrounding state of Brandenburg trying to ascertain if the killer was treated in any of them.

Mr Urban’s injuries suggested he may have been alive as the lorry ploughed into Christmas shoppers, having perhaps been assumed dead by the hijacker who had stabbed and beaten him.

It gave rise to the theory that he grabbed the steering wheel, forcing the lorry off its intended course through the middle of the crowd and potentially saving countless lives. His life came to an end when he was shot in the head by the hijacker.

Mr Urban’s family said he would have fought “to the end”, while a security source said his bloodied and swollen face meant “there must have been a fight”.

Police hunting for Amri are believed to be focusing their search in North Rhine-Westphalia, the industrial area of Germany that borders the Netherlands and Belgium where he had been living when he came under investigation this year.

Prosecutors in Berlin said he was placed under surveillance on March 14 following a tip-off that he might be planning a robbery to finance the purchase of automatic weapons for use in a terrorist attack.

He was observed dealing drugs in a Berlin park and fighting in a bar, but the surveillance was called off in September. Another report suggested his mobile phone was still being monitored but that he went underground earlier this month and police lost track of him.

Amri was arrested in August with a false Italian identity document, but released shortly afterwards. Other sources suggested his arrest was in connection with a grievous bodily harm case.

He had lived in Berlin for most of his stay in Germany, but recently moved back to refugee accommodation in Emmerich, near the Dutch border, which was raided by police yesterday. His family were also being questioned by investigators in Tunisia.

Amri lived with a flatmate who was arrested last month on suspicion of recruiting volunteers to travel to Syria to fight for Isil. The flatmate was one of several men arrested simultaneously, including an extremist preacher called Abu Walaa, known as “the faceless preacher” because he refused to face the camera in videos.

The suspect is believed to have been in contact with Walaa, one of the few extremist preachers in Germany openly to declare his support for Isil, and the group of arrested men.

In another disclosure that raises questions about the police investigation, it was revealed that the Pakistani asylum seeker initially held as a suspect was targeted because he accidentally jumped a red light.

Naved Baluch, 23, who arrived in Germany a year ago, was seized after witnesses saw him commit a traffic offence a mile away from the crime scene. Detectives who flew him out of Berlin and across the country to Karlsruhe to question him, took 18 hours to release Mr Baluch, who had no blood on his clothes and no injuries.

It was only then the security services warned the public that the real killer was on the run with a gun. “We declared victory too soon,” said one investigator.

British experts said the bungled police investigation highlighted fundamental flaws in Germany’s counter-terrorism strategy.

David Videcette, a former Scotland Yard counter terrorism officer who worked on the London 7/7 investigation, said Britain was better at preventing plots because there was better collaboration between the police and security services and they had learnt the lessons of the past.

He said: “After the 7/7 bomb attacks and particularly the 21/7 incident when Jean Charles de Menezes was shot, the UK took a very close look at the way everything operated.

“Prior to that, you had the Security Service on one side, the police on the other and Special Branch in the middle deciding what information was being passed between the two. After the attacks on London it was recognised that this relationship was not working and things were going wrong. Now the police and Security Service talk to one another and share information and that is one of the reasons we are successful in stopping plots.

“In Germany however, in common with other mainland European countries, they are a long way behind. There are numerous agencies operating in the same space and this creates problems. Information is not shared and things get missed.”

Germany’s strict privacy laws initially prevented pictures of Amri being published there, or even his surname. Instead media outlets in the country had to obscure his eyes in photographs and call him Anis A until the authorities decided to publish an unredacted wanted notice describing him as “highly dangerous”.

The German investigation has also been hampered by the lack of available CCTV footage.

State surveillance is a sensitive issue in Germany because of extensive snooping by the Stasi secret police in Communist East Germany and by the Gestapo in the Nazi era.

The result is that there are far less cameras in public places than in the UK.

You want to know something really disturbing?

The German intelligence services are tracking something close to 500 jihadists inside Germany, right now, who are probably attempting to commit terrorist atrocities like what happened three days ago, and maybe something like 2,000 Islamists who might want to commit an attack.

It takes anywhere between 25 to 40 police officers / security agents to conduct full-time, 24/7 physical and digital surveillance on one person. You can easily do the math yourself to realize that maintaining surveillance on everyone who poses a threat is a physical impossibility.

This is why attacks like Paris, and Brussels, and Nice, and now Berlin, happen - because there simply isn't enough resources to handle everything. Because once they're in the country, and once they can't be deported or placed into preventative detention, it's a matter of when it happens and how many will die - not of if/could.

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It's utterly ludicrous to state that Germany is "leery of state surveillance".

For heavens' sake, we're talking about a country that bans discussion on (((various))) topics and openly brags about censoring Facebook and has a former Stasi operative in charge of doing it, yet it's supposedly a bastion of free speech and personal freedom?

Give me a break, folks. Give me a break.

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Schengen is a national security disaster.


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Quote:The Tunisian national sought in connection with the Berlin truck attack that killed 12 people and injured dozens has been shot dead in Italy, according to a media report.

Reuters reported that Anis Amri was killed in a shootout in Milan. The Italian news agency ANSA said that a man killed in Milan was Amri. The reports could not be independently verified by USA TODAY.

Amri was seen outside a mosque about eight hours after the assault and less than three miles from the Christmas market where the attack happened.

Images published late Thursday by German broadcaster RBB show Amri, 24, standing in front of a mosque in Berlin's Moabit area. The mosque is close to where investigators think the Polish-registered truck was hijacked before being driven into Breitscheidplatz. Police have not commented on the images, caught on closed-circuit television.

Authorities in Germany and across Europe are still searching for Amri, the prime suspect in Monday's attack in the German capital.

The images of Amri in Berlin came as police in western Germany said Friday they detained two Kosovo-born brothers on suspicion of planning to carry out an attack on a shopping mall in the town of Oberhausen. Police said there did not appear to be a connection to the Berlin attack.

German prosecutors said Amri's fingerprints were found on the truck that was deliberately driven into the market and Interior Minister Thomas de Maizière said it was highly likely he was the perpetrator. Amri's family in Tunisia has urged him to turn himself in so he can respond to allegations he may be involved in the attack.

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