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(02-03-2017 01:53 PM)bushcraft9 Wrote:  ...
Police in my opinion will always side with the government in any situation where the government becomes tyrannical. Military on the other are the opposite. Police in my opinion seem to be on a power trip and develop a lust for power.

A lot of police officers are assholes when society is ticking along nicely because they have a monopoly on the use of force. They know it. Everyone else knows it. They know everyone else knows it too, and they like it that way. That's where they derive their ego-trips.

Put a police officer in a riot line, even that broad shouldered swaggering tough guy, and I can guarantee you that their ego trip will have vanished.

Police officers by and large are shit-scared of a real fight. A breakdown of civil order terrifies them. The idea that other people might be hitting them back or, God forbid, shooting back? That's the sort of thing that makes them think "screw the pension".

That's why traditionally the military are called in when there's serious social disorder, because they have the sacks to get the job done and the rioting peons quickly retreat because they sense it quite instinctively.

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02-04-2017 12:17 AM
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I'd say there's some truth to that, but it isn't quite that cut and dry. A lot of police officers are former military guys. I know a few of them who are stand-up patriots. It is the cops that have never had any military experience are the ones that tend to be tough guys until the heavy shit starts showing up. These are broad strokes of the brush, but by and large, you should be able to defend yourself without having to look for a cop. And of course, the best best you've been in is the one you avoided in the first place. Why be near any place where it is highly likely to have social unrest when you can make plans to avoid it?

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I'm going to post this link and a snippet of what it contains on this thread and the Trump thread.

For anyone who wants more insight into how some of these radical political gangs are structured this is a must-read.

https://www.oathkeepers.org/navyjack-ope...on-report/

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The anarchists are by far the most dangerous of these groups. They are organized like militias. They actively train and practice their operations. They have discipline and zero tolerance for weakness. They have a number of former military personnel providing expertise to enhance security, logistics and martial arts capabilities. The majority are physical fit, military age males. They are primarily white with few minority members. Their leadership tends to be either former military, a proven leader from the occupy movement or a highly educated alpha-male. They are far more capable than their recent activities would demonstrate. They have formed community defense organizations and are idolized for their willingness to take action from the other groups discussed above. They are however anarchists that despise communism as much as they despise capitalism. They see patriots and constitutionalists as their primary enemy. To them, everyone is a NAZI or a fascist unless they are an anarchist. There is no debate allowed on these issues, ever. They operate under various names, but the vast majority identify with the anti-fascist movement. With the election of President Trump, their membership has increased exponentially. There are at least 50,000 nationwide. They have been able to assimilate much of the “occupy” and “black-bloc” movements. Most of what these organizations accomplish are classified as direct actions. They will participate in a protest or a march, but they are not big fans of passive resistance.
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I think people are overthinking about it, by making comments on how police standing by and intervening is somehow connected to their political motivations.

In riot situations or large scale public order events police will usually stand by due to numbers and resources.
If there are 30 police officers and say 10 rioters, a decision will be made by management to stand down. As it will take two officers at least to arrest one of the rioters, perhaps more if restraining is required. After that event you would have taken 20 police officers a way from the 'frontline' and there will only be ten left, potentially not enough to hold the line. Inside those situations, I highly doubt police officers would be thinking about whether they are in favour of the alt right or not. Adrenaline would be kicking in, they would be listening to their senior management, about what actions to take or not to take.

Obviously there were major issues with the events that happened in Berkley. I imagine that it was a problem with resourcing and senior management, rather than the integrity of individual officers. If anything, despite political correctness; police are more than aware that left wingers despise their very existence.
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The thing I don't understand about that whole event is that the police were WELL aware that this was brewing. It's not like it was a spontaneous protest. For hours during and after the protest the cops just let the crowd become unruly and damage property. If there is any poetic justice in the whole thing is that the idiots were destroying their own campus.
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That's no excuse for their inaction. When the crowd got violent, they should have blasted them with tear gas and moved in. Rubber bullets, tear gas, microwave crowd dispersal gun, extremely loud noise machines... So many methods for dealing with a riot. Standing by is unacceptable.

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Gotnews.com posted a full list of the DC antifags who were arrested:

http://gotnews.com/breaking-heres-full-l...-riots-dc/
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When you lie down with dogs...

http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/artic...908947.php

Quote:As Kathy Lipscomb watched TV newscasts of “black bloc” anarchists smashing windows at a UC Berkeley protest, the former organizer of Occupy demonstrations was obsessed by two thoughts.

The first, she said, was: “Oh no, not again.” The second: “We can’t let them help ruin things this time.”

Those sentiments echoed across the Bay Area as leaders of the current wave of protests against President Trump took heed of Wednesday’s campus violence, Trump’s subsequent threat to cut funding to UC Berkeley, and what all that portends for their movement.

Their biggest fear is a repeat of what happened to Occupy earlier this decade, when black bloc violence chased away nonviolent, mainstream protesters — and helped lead to Occupy’s collapse about five years ago.

“That stuff that happened at UC Berkeley with the black bloc was just nuts, doesn’t help,” said longtime protester Buck Bagot, who helped organize the Occupy movement in San Francisco and has been mobilizing demonstrations against Trump. “People need to make sure this incredibly negative, destructive element isn’t there in what we do this time.”

Its adherents saw Occupy as a wake-up call against income inequality. But many of them say Occupy fell short of being more than that, partly because violent anarchists came to be the bandanna-obscured face of the movement to the broader public.

The day after Trump’s inauguration, the new president’s opponents staged peaceful Women’s Marches in cities across the country, many drawing tens of thousands of people. It was what Bagot and others envision as the building block of a sustained resistance to Trump on such issues as the rights of women, immigrants and poor people.

Black bloc protesters, however, have grabbed headlines at two protests. The first was on inauguration day, when a small cadre smashed windows and clashed with police in Washington.

The second was Wednesday night at UC Berkeley, where hundreds of demonstrators had gathered to protest the scheduled appearance of right-wing commentator Milo Yiannopoulos. Dozens of black-clad anarchists marched into the middle of the peaceful rally, pulled rocks and bottle rockets from their backpacks, and flung them at police. They broke windows at the student union, then roamed around downtown, smashing glass doors and windows and scrawling graffiti on buildings.

It was hardly a surprise they got all the attention, including from Trump, who tweeted Friday that “professional anarchists, thugs and paid protesters are proving the point of the millions of people who voted to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!” He had earlier threatened to cut off federal funding to UC Berkeley — which responded that it had nothing to do with the violence.

It was all reminiscent of the charges that came to be leveled at Occupy. And just as they did during Occupy, the people whose actions prompted the reactions promised to keep at it.

As he hunkered down beneath a homemade shield to ward off rubber pellets being fired by police, one anarchist at the Berkeley protest, who declined to give his name, defended the tactics of his “resistance.” They’re permissible in the face of fascism, he said.

“Peaceful protests don’t work anymore,” said the man. “This is war.”

Companions unfurled a large banner that read, “Become ungovernable.”

Robin Averbeck, a community college professor, was at the Berkeley protest. She wore no hood over her head or bandanna on her face, but said she had been part of a crowd that overwhelmed security at Yiannopoulos’ scheduled appearance at UC Davis on Jan. 13, forcing its cancellation.

It’s crucial, she said, for protesters to use a “diversity of tactics” in “fighting fascism.”

The black bloc is not an organization. For the past 20 years it’s been called a “tactic” by anarchist extremists, and now it’s a broad term that encompasses people who believe that destruction is the best way to force home the point of protest against right-wing or even conventional politics.

Their tactics are pure confrontation: Dress in black, wear a mask, bring a backpack with hammers, rocks or incendiary devices, then charge through the peaceful crowd to smash windows and get in the face of police.

Participants never give their names to reporters who try, usually unsuccessfully, to interview them. During the Occupy protests, they often ran away or blended back into a crowd as quickly as possible to avoid arrest.

Their presence at UC Berkeley made for a nasty case of deja vu for the people who were committed to Occupy.

That movement faded to a whisper for several reasons, including its commitment to having no leaders and its disorganized cacophony of causes. But the destruction wrought by black bloc anarchists scared away nonviolent protesters and focused public attention on what amounted to a tiny sliver of protesters. And often, though they attacked banks and other big-corporation businesses the demonstrations were aimed at, black bloc vandals also damaged small shops whose owners agreed with the philosophy Occupy.

Some who tried to bring constructive change through Occupy remain rattled to this day.

“It got really nasty,” said one attorney who helped assemble Occupy in Oakland and didn’t want his name published for fear of reprisal. “My goal of Occupy was to raise awareness of our economic crisis of inequality, but it became clear to me that some people had other goals of violence. It was scary. A lot of my friends and other people dropped out because they were afraid.”

Lipscomb noted that black bloc was a small part of Wednesday’s crowd, adding, “I never like the press focusing on the violence, because that’s not the point of the protest.”

During the current movement, she said, “We are going to just have to ask them to leave. Take off your mask. We may need security of our own.”

Bagot has already recruited security volunteers for his protests against economic inequality in San Francisco, but the concern is also being felt by anti-Trump organizers in the suburbs.

Ellis Goldberg left the Occupy movement in disgust over the violence to organize the followup 99 Percent demonstrations. He helped plan a Women’s March in Walnut Creek on Jan. 21 and said he made sure to arrange for volunteer security, “because we want to show we are doing something positive and we’re not just a bunch of hooligans.”

The march drew several thousand people, and there was no vandalism.

“We have to remember what we are about this time as we oppose what Trump is doing,” Goldberg said. “We’re not just the fringe people, but the mainstream and everyone — soccer moms, workers of all kinds, people who have never done protest before.

“Those people Wednesday with black masks on? It’s crazy. Breaking windows and fighting with police is not what we’re about.”

Longtime East Bay activist Dan Martin, whose son attends UC Berkeley, said he didn’t go to Wednesday night’s protest and urged his son to stay away, too, fearing the event would turn ugly.

Martin said the Bay Area is in for “four years of protests,” and that there are right and wrong ways to conduct them. “I hope (police) come up with some successful tactics of how to deal with it,” he said. “It looks like it’s totally out of control.”

Martin said he had a “rougher background” than his family, and that he wouldn’t let anarchists keep him away from any and all protests. But he added, “I don’t expect my wife and kids to go out and get their heads beat in.”

Bagot said he’s confident that “something long-lasting will come of things this time.” But, he said, “That won’t happen if we let the craziest, most macho people mess it up like they did with Occupy.”

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Brief article on the topic here, where Bay Area conservatives hold private parties and never mention their political beliefs to friends of coworkers out of fear of repercussion.

Here

Quote: “If you witness what happened in Berkeley, actually they are so violent on top of it. I mean being a conservative in the Bay Area is like being a heretic,” says Ward. “You lead a double life. You can never tell your friends and co-workers.”

Robert says several Bay Area conservatives have secret meet ups like the one KPIX 5 was invited to visit in the East Bay.

Organizers asked not to disclose their location or the faces of anyone who attended, but insist this is the way it has to be in a liberal state.

“They seem to pride themselves on being diverse, and they are diverse about everything but their ideology,” says Ward. “I hope that in the future when people see Trump isn’t as scary as they think he is and a lot of the good things that happen and the prosperity comes back and the jobs come back, every one calms down a little bit.”
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(02-05-2017 04:41 PM)rainy Wrote:  Brief article on the topic here, where Bay Area conservatives hold private parties and never mention their political beliefs to friends of coworkers out of fear of repercussion.

Here

Quote: “If you witness what happened in Berkeley, actually they are so violent on top of it. I mean being a conservative in the Bay Area is like being a heretic,” says Ward. “You lead a double life. You can never tell your friends and co-workers.”

Robert says several Bay Area conservatives have secret meet ups like the one KPIX 5 was invited to visit in the East Bay.

Organizers asked not to disclose their location or the faces of anyone who attended, but insist this is the way it has to be in a liberal state.

“They seem to pride themselves on being diverse, and they are diverse about everything but their ideology,” says Ward. “I hope that in the future when people see Trump isn’t as scary as they think he is and a lot of the good things that happen and the prosperity comes back and the jobs come back, every one calms down a little bit.”

Ah yes, liberal tolerance. So tolerant that it forces conservatives to go into hiding like a witness protection program, lest they be outed, fired from their jobs, lose "friendships" with leftists and possibily be open to physical violence like we've seen with Gavin and Milo.

There's no tolerance like Bay Area leftist tolerance.

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Just realized that my post in the Milo thread better belongs here.

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Stay safe out there.

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2/6/2017 12:01:00 AM - Kurt Schlichter

Quote:They hate you.

Leftists don’t merely disagree with you. They don’t merely feel you are misguided. They don’t think you are merely wrong. They hate you. They want you enslaved and obedient, if not dead. Once you get that, everything that is happening now will make sense. And you will understand what you need to be ready to do.

You are normal, and therefore a heretic. You refuse to bow to their idols, to subscribe to their twisted catechisms, to praise their false gods. This is unforgivable. You must burn.

Crazy talk? Just ask them. Go ahead. Go on social media. Find a leftist – it’s easy. Just say something positive about America or Jesus and they’ll come swarming like locusts. Engage them and very quickly they will drop their masks and tell you what they really think. I know. I keep a rapidly expanding file of Twitter leftist death wish screenshots.

They will tell you that Christians are idiots and vets are scum.

That normals are subhumans whose role is to labor as serfs to subsidize the progressive elite and its clients.

That you should die to make way for the New Progressive Man/Woman/Other.

Understand that when they call Donald Trump “illegitimate,” what they are really saying is that our desire to govern ourselves is illegitimate. Their beef isn’t with him – it’s with us, the normal people who dared rise up and demand their right to participate in the rule of this country and this culture.

They hate you, because by defying them you have prevented them from living up to the dictates of their false religion. Our rebelliousness has denied them the state of grace they seek, exercising their divine right to dictate every aspect of our puny lives. Their sick faith gives meaning to these secular weirdos, giving them something that fills their empty lives with a messianic fervor to go out and conquer and convert the heathens.

And the heathens are us.

Oh, there are different leftist sects. There are the social justice warriors who have manufactured a bizarre mythology and scripture of oppression, privilege, and intersectionality. Instead of robes, they dress up as genitals and kill babies as a blasphemous sacrament. Then there are the pagan weather religion oddballs convinced that the end is near and that we must repent by turning in our SUVs. Of course, the “we” is really “us” – high priests of the global warming cult like Leonardo DiCaprio will still jet around the world with supermodels while we do the ritual sacrificing of our modern comforts. Then there are the ones who simply worship themselves, the elitists who believe that all wisdom and morality has been invested in them merely because they went to the right college, think the right thoughts, and sneer at anyone living between I-5 and I-95.

But all the leftist sects agree – they have found the revealed truth, and imposing it upon the benighted normals like us is so transcendently important that they are relieved of any moral limitations. They are ISIS, except with hashtags instead of AKs, committed to the establishment of a leftist caliphate.

You wonder why the left is now justifying violence? Because they think that helps them right now. Today it’s suddenly OK to punch a “Nazi.” But the punchline is that anyone who opposes them is a “Nazi.”

You wonder why they ignore the rule of law, why they could switch on a dime from screaming at Trump for refusing to preemptively legitimize a Hillary win and then scream that he is illegitimate the moment she lost? Because their only principle is what helps the left win today. That’s why the media gleefully, happily lies every single day about every single thing it reports. Objectivity? When that stopped being a useful thing, it stopped being a thing at all.

They are fanatics, and by not surrendering, by not kneeling, and by not obeying, you have committed an unpardonable sin. You have defied the Left, and you must be broken. They will take your job, slander your name, even beat or kill you – whatever it takes to break you and terrify others by making you an example. Your defiance cannot stand; they cannot allow this whole Trump/GOP majority thing to get out of control. They must crush this rebellion of the normal, and absolutely nothing is off the table.

We’ve seen them burn UC Berkeley and how the police controlled by the leftist state government of California stood by and watched as Americans were beaten by the mob. Why? Because the government of the State of California approves of the violence. Do you think it’s a coincidence that California is doing everything it can to disarm its normals?

The Left won’t say it out loud – at least not yet – but make no mistake. If violence is what it takes for the Left to prevail, then violence we will have. You saw it, and you were meant to. Berkeley was a message about the price of dissent where leftist hold sway. And they seek to hold sway everywhere

How to we respond?

The first step is to end the denial. Open your eyes. See what is happening. Don’t allow yourself to be deluded by false nostalgia for a past period of cultural peace that existed only because, at that time, the Left was winning. They hate you. Look at Twitter. Look at Facebook. Try and tell yourself that leftists are just nice people who disagree with you on a few policy details. Stop fooling yourself.

Understand that this must get much worse before it can get better. We may wish to stop the cultural/political struggle, but they can’t stop. Their religion tells them we are greedy, racist, sexist, homophobe morons who hate science and love Hitler. How could they tolerate us? How could they ever allow us power?

They can’t. Their sick ideology and false theology requires that we be enslaved or exterminated – we can’t be tolerated, and we certainly can’t be allowed to hold the reins of power. I hoped that my novel People’s Republic, about what lies at the bottom of this blood-soaked slippery slope, would be rendered moot by the GOP’s victory in November. I was wrong. The Left has redoubled its efforts.

So the only outcome is that one side wins and the other loses. There’s no truce to be had, no possibility of a tie. And the frightening thing is that the Left is so foolish, so stuck in its bubble that it has no understanding that it can only push so far before the people with all the guns and all the training push back. That’s the problem with kids who were raised on participation trophies and who never got into a fistfight – they don’t consider the possibility that they will lose, and lose hard.

We must ensure they do. Understand your enemy. Understand that the Left will exploit your principles and morals to make you disarm yourself – figuratively and literally. Don’t play their game; don’t fall for their manufactured outrages. Never concede their lies, never take their side against the people defending your liberty. Most of all, accept the truth that if we let them win we will spend the rest of our lives on our backs with a giant Birkenstock pressed into our collective face.

They hate us. And however they come at us, we need to be prepared to fight.

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I can't believe it's been up almost 24 hours & hasn't been taken down. You'd think that's the kind of thing Town Hall would force to be taken down.
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Holy moley, that is a spicy article. Trump winning has helped conservatives find their balls. YUGE BALLS.

He's right on the money. We this isn't some disagreement over some policy wonk issue. This is life and death. The mob that runs California and other leftist states will gladly see you beaten and killed just to sacrifice you to the idols of political correctness.

Time to start arming up more than ever. If the left can't be brought to heel by Law and Order, then we must be prepared to defend ourselves, our property and our loved ones against their violent onslaught. I can't think of anything more distasteful than having to point one of my guns at a fellow citizen, but if it is me, my tribe of men and my family against someone attacking us, they will leave us no choice.

Lets pray it doesn't come to that. I sincerely hope that Trump puts the boot down on California before we head to civil war. Nobody wins in a civil war.

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John Michael Kane observes: "Lets pray it doesn't come to that....Nobody wins in a civil war."

HERE'S MORE to continue this angsty theme. Dennis Prager perhaps originally kicked it off two weeks ago with "America's Second Civil War:"

Quote:It is time for our society to acknowledge a sad truth: America is currently fighting its second Civil War.
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Liberalism -- which was anti-left, pro-American and deeply committed to the Judeo-Christian foundations of America; and which regarded the melting pot as the American ideal, fought for free speech for its opponents, regarded Western civilization as the greatest moral and artistic human achievement and viewed the celebration of racial identity as racism -- is now affirmed almost exclusively on the right and among a handful of people who don't call themselves conservative.

The left, however, is opposed to every one of those core principles of [classical] liberalism.

Like the left in every other country, the left in America essentially sees America as a racist, xenophobic, colonialist, imperialist, warmongering, money-worshipping, moronically religious nation.

Just as in Western Europe, the left in America seeks to erase America's Judeo-Christian foundations. The melting pot is regarded as nothing more than an anti-black, anti-Muslim, anti-Hispanic meme. The left suppresses free speech wherever possible for those who oppose it, labeling all non-left speech "hate speech." To cite only one example, if you think Shakespeare is the greatest playwright or Bach is the greatest composer, you are a proponent of dead white European males and therefore racist.

Without any important value held in common, how can there be unity between left and non-left? Obviously, there cannot.

There will be unity only when the left vanquishes the right or the right vanquishes the left. Using the First Civil War analogy, American unity was achieved only after the South was vanquished and slavery was abolished.

How are those of us who oppose left-wing nihilism -- there is no other word for an ideology that holds Western civilization and America's core values in contempt -- supposed to unite with "educators" who instruct elementary school teachers to cease calling their students "boys" and "girls" because that implies gender identity? With English departments that don't require reading Shakespeare in order to receive a degree in English? With those who regard virtually every war America has fought as imperialist and immoral? With those who regard the free market as a form of oppression? With those who want the state to control as much of American life as possible? With those who repeatedly tell America and its black minority that the greatest problems afflicting black Americans are caused by white racism, "white privilege" and "systemic racism"? With those who think that the nuclear family ideal is inherently misogynistic and homophobic? With those who hold that Israel is the villain in the Middle East? With those who claim that the term "Islamic terrorist" is an expression of religious bigotry?
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With the defeat of the left in the last presidential election, the defeat of the left in two-thirds of the gubernatorial elections and the defeat of the left in a majority of House and Senate elections, this is likely the last chance liberals, conservatives and the right have to defeat the American left [peacefully?]. But it will not happen until these groups understand that we are fighting for the survival of America no less than the Union troops were in the First Civil War.
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Soooooo...how long do we put up with this shit?

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(02-07-2017 09:01 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  Soooooo...how long do we put up with this shit?

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If you mean how long do we put up with leftist violence before responding in kind? I say we have to remain calm in the face of this current threat. Once Trump has his DOJ in order, he can fully prosecute the trouble-makers. Still, that doesn't mean we shouldn't be arming up like crazy in case it ever came to Civil War II. Prager makes a good point that this is the last chance we have to solve things peacefully, due to demographic change. Best that we be prepared for either outcome, peaceful or violent.

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UCF "Knights for Socialism" forms a "Leftist Fight Club" to attack Republicans


No word yet on if they are related to the "Knights who say, 'Ni!'"

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(02-05-2017 04:41 PM)rainy Wrote:  Brief article on the topic here, where Bay Area conservatives hold private parties and never mention their political beliefs to friends of coworkers out of fear of repercussion.

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Quote: “If you witness what happened in Berkeley, actually they are so violent on top of it. I mean being a conservative in the Bay Area is like being a heretic,” says Ward. “You lead a double life. You can never tell your friends and co-workers.”

Robert says several Bay Area conservatives have secret meet ups like the one KPIX 5 was invited to visit in the East Bay.

Organizers asked not to disclose their location or the faces of anyone who attended, but insist this is the way it has to be in a liberal state.

“They seem to pride themselves on being diverse, and they are diverse about everything but their ideology,” says Ward. “I hope that in the future when people see Trump isn’t as scary as they think he is and a lot of the good things that happen and the prosperity comes back and the jobs come back, every one calms down a little bit.”

Watch this situation quickly escalate in ways we would never have imagined possible in our nations.

Leftists that get itchy for rebellion are not keen to suffer traitors in their midsts.

I'm calling it early. "Political participation" is very soon going to resemble a crude mafia shakedown. Businesses will be "asked" to contribute to the cause. Individuals will be "asked" to attend protests.

Those who fail to volunteer will be presumed to be enemy agents and have their businesses/lives upended accordingly.

Something to the equivalent of an "F" (for fascist) spraypainted on a home or business will mark it as a legitimate political target for robbery, vandalism and assault of the occupants.

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One of these days, one of the unhinged leftists is going to attack or murder someone really important in power. Once that happens, you'll see a much greater call for them to be clamped down on. Too many politicians are far removed from the effects their laws (or refusal to enforce the law) creates. They are out of the loop. When violence is brought to their doorstep, they will have to act out of self-interest to shut down the leftist crazies, if for nothing else but to save their own skin. The problem with stirring up a mob is that it is all well and good as long as the mob attacks your enemies. The problem is with a mob, it becomes its own organism and starts attacking the hosts. The Black Bloc even graffiti buildings saying "even liberals get the bullet". That's what you get when you dabble in leftist revolutionary politics. You will be bit in the ass, EVERY SINGLE TIME.

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Time to accept some inconvenient truths. MUST READ! Apologies in advance for the lengthy post. You can find the original here.

Quote:Skull-Stomping Sacred Cows: Reality Isn’t Nice. It’s a 2×4 to the Teeth.


Sam Culper posted a comment on FB recently, in light of the protests-turned-riots in Berkeley, and elsewhere, asking, “What happens when the black bloc (“anarchists”) get AR’s?” A legit question, all things considered, and one deserving of serious consideration, which we’ll get to in a moment. The problem that arose, which I, in turn, confronted in a FB post on the MG FB page, was that the responses to Sam’s questions were retarded. Seriously. The comments read like the locker room bragging of a bunch of 13 year olds, after PE class, about the hot dates they’d had last Friday night.

Seriously….these ranged from “Open season on liberals!” type macho posturing, to “they’re just a bunch of cowards who can’t do shit in a stand-up fight!”

Here’s the reality. I am going to share my response to the commentary, from Facebook, then I’m going to discuss some harsh truths that are the 900-pound guerrilla in the room (see what I did there?).

(The below has been edited from FB to make it more legible.)



“So, I saw this come across my FB feed today, from Sam. I’m going to address it, because there’s a whole bunch of fucking stupid in the comments. Since I’m reasonably certain some of those commenters are also subscribers here, it will probably be wasted effort, but I’m willing to give it a shot….



Comment on Sam’s page: ‘Battlefield pickup: Plan for it. Make sure your people know how to clear them, get them into duffle bags, and into your supply channels to be re-issued as necessary. You may keep ammo as needed to replace expenditures, but the rest goes to the S4 for caching and resupply.‘

My response: While technically about the closest thing to a legitimate response I saw, this is ridiculously optimistic. In all of the classes I’ve taught, over the last half-decade plus of teaching through the MG blog,including the auxiliary and support classes, nobody—NOBODY—has even come close to having anything near an organizational footprint that this answer would matter too…except the Left.

Comment on Sam’s page: ‘This is what I have been chatting with some friends about for a few months. Particularly the myopic ones who don’t understand that the hapless morons will eventually be armed and given some level of training to escalate their own surge. Arming these ppl is not the next move, but it’s not far off.‘

My response: Dunning-Kruger much? “Hapless morons?” These “hapless morons” are off their fucking couches, engaging in the physical violence that the Right yammered about for the last eight years, without doing fuck all. I’m not condoning it, and certainly not supporting it, but intellectual dishonesty about skill at organization, and willingness to engage in violent direct-action is going to get a whole fuckton of “prepared militias” killed dead…and there ain’t no fucking restart to this game.

Comment on Sam’s page: ‘They maybe (sic) psychologically conditioning the left for kinetic operations, but it takes years to build capability and capacity. They maybe (sic) ten years out if they started today.‘\

My response: Bullshit. They could go hardcore tomorrow, and be effective, at least for some time. They’ve got organizational infrastructure in place. They’ve got leadership cadre and numbers. They’ve got the will to get violent, right now. What they don’t have is their puppet masters handing them guns and ammo…yet. Sam’s right. It’s an ugly potential that is probably not far off. Ten years? You’re fucking dreaming.

Comment on Sam’s page: ‘The left gas lighted themselves into destroying their gun culture. Where are the black block gun blogs? Training videos? PT videos? Discussion about Intelligence capability? The design of OPSEC programs? How to effectively use Command and Control for tactical, operational and Strategic success? Fuck blogs even where are their white papers? There are none.‘

My response: Again, see my comment above about Dunning-Kruger. Intellectual study is important, but getting out from in front of the computer, and getting out and DOING counts for more, and the other side IS DOING.

Comment on Sam’s page: ‘A blood bath.‘

My response:Yep. Because only one side has consistently displayed a willingness to get violent, right now, right here, despite the blatherings of the Right about ‘Molon Labe!’ and ‘From My Cold Dead Fingers,” etc….Talk is cheap. It will be a number of blood baths, but 99% of the victims are NOT going to be the Leftist pseudo-Anarchists that are willing to fuck shit up, already, without quality weapons at their disposal.

Comment on Sam’s page: ‘We get to slaughter them wholesale! YeeeeHaw!‘

My response: (parenthetical note to point out, I specifically referenced LaVoy Finicum in this response because the dumb motherfucker who posted the above comment had Finicum’s cattle brand as his profile picture. I’ll address the stupidity of the “Let’s Be a Martyr” mindset of Finicum below, this really wasn’t the attack on Finicum that some readers assumed it to be. This was a comment about a dumb motherfucker saying dumb shit.) Ah yes, the redneck, LaVoy Finicum response. How many people you slaughtered tough guy? Nobody? Then, you’re full of shit.

Comment on Sam’s page: ‘Are we talking about the Black Bloc types? I can see them going with drive by attacks because they seem to attack in groups and then run away. Don’t expect a standup fight.‘

My response: So, they’re smarter than you? Because, I can tell you what…fair fights? “Standup fights?” are a sucker’s bet. I decide to go hunting bad people, I’m going to be rolling up to their back door at 0430, while they’re sound asleep, and lighting their house on fire, while they’re still asleep inside. I’m only gonna stick around long enough to make sure nobody gets out before the house the engulfed. I’m into winning, not playing macho games.

Look, I get it. It’s fun to poke fun at the opposition. It’s easy to make jokes about ‘safe spaces,’ etc. Those dudes smoking people in the head with bricks? Those people staring down the riot cops, and taking bean bag rounds to the face and chest, to get a chance to lob a brick or a Molotov Cocktail at them? They’re not scared of you and they’re not looking for a fucking safe space. They’re willing to stand by their convictions, right or wrong.

That doesn’t make them good guys, by any stretch. It does make them far more qualified for the change in velocity of the collapse that we’re witnessing. People have been talking smack since election night, about how now, the Left was going to go away, because POTUS wasn’t going to put up with their shenanigans. Well, he may not, but it’s going to take a lot more to stop them than people are ready to understand. I’m not even saying that won’t happen, but if you’re sitting here, talking shit on your computer, instead of DOING shit, and TRAINING, and PRACTICING for how you’re going to REALISTICALLY respond to this shit, when it shows up in your neighborhood? You’re full of shit.

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That was my Facebook response. Here, as ol’ Paul Harvey liked to say, “is the rest of the story.”

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A whole lot of ‘ardent patriots’ and ‘expert preppers/survivalists,’ breathed a giant sigh of relief on the morning of WED 9NOV16. They woke up to the news that “R” had one, both the White House and a majority of Congress. All was saved from immediate damnation, and since everything was cool now, they could get on with not worrying about the future anymore. Big D got this, right?

There is a huge problem with normalcy bias in this country—a subject I’ve written about a lot on this blog, in the past. As long as “our guys” have control in DC, all is fine, right? Well, just like this last presidential cycle demonstrated that people on the Right were no longer content with the Beltway status quo, it should have demonstrated that people on the Left were no longer content with the Beltway status quo as well. The DNC pissed all over their own party, broke their own rules, and then basically, told the voters to “go fuck yourselves if you don’t like it,” in order to get their gal the nod to run. People on the Left are not fucking happy, and just like people on the Right swore they would contest the election results, and be ready to take up arms if Hillary Clinton got the White House, people on the Left are ready to take up arms, since there is a dude with an R behind his name sitting their instead.

It’s not that they wanted HRC—although, I know for a fact, some of them did—it’s that they didn’t want a person with an R behind their name in there. Donald Trump getting the White House was, to the modern day Left in this country, the exact same as Abraham Lincoln getting the White House in 1860 was to the Southern States. We are, make no mistake, in a Civil War. Fort Sumter is past, folks. Seriously. Wake the fuck up already.

Now, before I’m accused of being melodramatic, or hysterical, slow the fuck down for a second. There are some pretty serious differences that DO have to be taken into account, when we look at this.

#1) The people of Dixie weren’t stupid, and neither was their leadership. They didn’t run right out and start attacking the Army of the United States. They took a defensive role, and said, basically, “Hey, leave us alone, and all is well.” They didn’t want a fight. The Left today isn’t content with that, for a variety of reasons. They DO want a fight, and they’re not taking a defensive role. They are already attacking their enemies. They’re just not doing it with guns…yet….much.

#2) The Confederate States of America was the disgruntled party in the last go-round, and they were the more “libertarian/anarchist” of the belligerent parties. In this go-round, the roles have reversed; the “disgruntled party” is the statist party that wants to control everything, in accordance with their world view.

#3) While not technically accurate, Fort Sumter was the first “official” battle of the War of Northern Aggression. It was the real opening of hostilities between the uniformed services of two distinct, autonomous governments. In the current conflict, the legitimate government of the United States is, at most, a bit player, thus far. The War of Northern Aggression, while labeled a civil war, was not. It was a conflict of conquest by a sovereign state, against a sovereign state, that had declared its independence, and been recognized as a sovereign state, in accordance with international law. None of that mattered of course, but the difference with the current conflict should be obvious.

This is an actual civil war, as in a conflict between ideologically-opposed factions within the civilian and political population of a country. Like real civil wars, it is not going to be pretty. It’s not going to be armies, in pretty uniforms, fighting pitched, conventional battles. It’s going to be a matter of assassination, sabotage, hit-and-run raids, targeting ideological leadership figures, enemy families, etc.

As Matt Bracken pointed out in a recent Facebook post himself, we’re looking at more of a Balkans and/or Argentine “Dirty War” conflict. People just haven’t accepted that, because it doesn’t fit their mental images of what “war,” even “guerrilla war” looks like. That, in turn, is because, even the most devout conversions to the “Church of the Anti-Media” in this country today, have a lifetime of conditioning to the media’s portrayal of what “reality” is. From what a “proper” war looks like, to what “collapse” looks like, to what “bad guys” look like.



We commonly jump to the idea of “well, George Soros is funding this shit, so it’ll cause a breakdown, and currency collapse, and he can make a fortune off it.” There’s probably a lot of truth to that. I don’t know Soros, so I can’t tell you what his ultimate goals and motivations are. I have however, met a lot of Leftists, both in the US and elsewhere, and I can tell you, they are not looking for a currency collapse, in order to get richer.

It’s easy to sit in your lounger, with your laptop across your knees, and pontificate on the false motivations of the Leftist activists. “Oh, they’re just attention whores!” “Oh, they just want their safe spaces!” “Oh, they’re just useful idiots being played.” “Oh, they’ll quit as soon as the money stops.” There’s a very real problem with that though, and it’s called underestimating your enemy. If you don’t believe that a dude who is out, in wintertime, in a protest/riot, and eating some riot cops baton, as he receives a solid washing with “hickory shampoo,” is not a dedicated True Believer, you’re deluding yourself.

If you think that some twenty-something kid, who just saw his buddy take a bean bag round from a PD riot gun, in the dick, and then ignored his friend’s screams, to continue advancing, is not dedicated, and a True Believer, you’re fucking stupid.

If you think POTUS is going to magically save you? You’re dumb. Large urban areas and entire states are telling the federal government to go fuck itself on the immigration issue (and granted, the states are wrong on this one, but that doesn’t change the fact that this—as I mentioned, in detail, in Forging the Hero—is symptomatic of the collapse of the American Empire.) Things are not normal, and if you’re still stuck in your normalcy bias about “Make America Great Again,” you’re WAY behind the learning the curve.

I’ve talked with a number of friends in recent days; police officers and public services personnel, in large urban areas, across the country. None of them are taking this shit lightly. A fireman friend, from a major urban enclave on the east coast, that has been the scene of a number of ethnic conflicts in the last year or two, posted the following on FB recently,
“They are organized, they are violent. The cops aren’t shooting back because when some Tumblr shit biscuit doxxes them, their kids will be targets. Molon Labia and snowflake bluster isn’t cutting it anymore.
I’m a fucking fireman and have had body armor issued. That should say something very loudly and clearly.”

A cop friend told me, in private conversation, “Yeah, man. It’s serious. We know it can kick off at any moment. Sitting in your cruiser, at a stoplight; writing a citation, sitting at lunch. We just have to be ready to rock, all the time.”

Another cop friend, “Man, I’ve upped my off-duty EDC to three twenty-round mags for the Glock, and I keep eight loaded mags for the AR in the plate carrier behind my seat. It’s getting weird out there.”

So, if THEY get it, why don’t you, Mr. Expert Prepper/Survivalist?

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This is not about being a tough guy. This is not about the questionable PSYOP value of talking shit with social media memes about the opposition. This is about knowing, and understanding, the realities of the battlespace.

#1) Dirty civil wars are ‘tribal’ guerrilla wars. This was discussed in-depth in The Reluctant Partisan, Volume One: The Guerrilla. This is not about dudes in cute camouflage coveralls, running through the woods with Kalashnikovs. This is about people burning down their neighbors’ houses and businesses, to run them out of town, over ideological differences. Look at the Balkans in the early 1990s.

This is about a group from one side, murdering the entire family—Dad, Mom, Brother, and baby Sister—of their neighbors, over political differences.

There’s nothing pretty or heroic about it. It’s about pragmatism. It’s not about dying for anybody or anything. It’s about changing the dynamic of the battlespace, so none of your people die…or at least, as few as possible.

#2) Heroic gestures and martyrdom are dumb. LaVoy Finicum, bless his heart, may have had good intentions, but he was a fucking idiot if he thought he was accomplishing anything. If you fucking people would get outside of the echo chamber of your masturbation studio, you’d realize that. You think anybody in mainstream America—the undecided majority in the current conflict—remembers Finicum? Go up to some random stranger, in the supermarket and ask. I got good money that says, 99 out of 100 are going to say, “Who’s she?”

So, nobody, outside of his own side’s True Believers, even remembers his “heroic” gesture. There’s Strike One.

What changed, following the Malheur Malcontent Mishap? Anything? Nope. Not a single federal policy changed. He LITERALLY died for nothing. There’s Strike Two.

Despite the acquittals of the ring leaders in federal court, far more of the participants are still in jail, and the other still face trial in Nevada (as far as I know. Did it ever get dealt with down there? I quit giving a shit). At best, it is possible that his death swayed some of the jurors towards leniency, out of pity for the deceased. It didn’t help the majority of them though, that are still dealing with the effects of the case. I’d call that Strike Three, but perhaps I’m being too harsh, and that was a foul ball.

The point isn’t to besmirch the dead. The point is, it was pointless. If you want to survive; hell, if you even just want your team to win, and don’t care about survival, you have to focus on efforts that make a difference. Stand-up fights don’t make differences in this type of conflict, because the other side isn’t interested in them. Quit focusing on some macho, redneck John Wayne image of conflict, and focus on doing what works. Right now? That still means organizing, because, while it’s not “tacticool,” it’s way more important than running around in the goddamned woods in cammie jammies. That means, instead of worrying about running raids and ambushes, you should be focused on gathering intelligence information about the opposition’s leadership cadres in your local area, so you can set about changing their mindset, by focusing your PSYOP activities on a specific target audience (them). It means training with your EDC concealed carry weapon, to protect yourself. And yes—you knew it was gonna get slipped in somewhere—it means doing your PT and combatives training, so you at least have a chance of fighting your way to an escape route when you get caught in the middle of a protest-turned-riot, and then getting away, instead of getting knocked the fuck out, so you have to be rescued by the local riot police.

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The Right—especially the preparedness/survivalist/III/Threeper/Militia segment of the Right—is full of tough talk from self-professed badasses about how they’re gonna “slaughter” the other side when “open season on Leftists” is declared. It’s all a bunch of bullshit, written for an audience of people they don’t even know, but need to feel big in front of, for whatever reason.

Let me tell you a couple of trade secrets:

#1) I can train a fucking monkey to run an AR or an AK in three days. Give me ten days, and I can bring a complete novice to a near-expert level of proficiency with the gun. That’s fucking easy. The hard part? Convincing somebody to actually use it. Convincing someone that they actually need to overcome the culturally conditioned aversion to interpersonal violence that Americans have been spoonfed for the last sixty years, is far more challenging than teaching someone the mechanics of gunfighting. Guess which side has already overcome that cultural conditioning? I’ll give you two hints: first, it’s not the guys typing away on FB about how they’re gonna “slaughter” Leftists, as soon as they get permission from their Mommy. Second, it’s the people that are already cracking complete strangers in the head with bricks, then putting the boots to the unconscious victims, before throwing a Molotov Cocktail through their car window.

#2) The Left has won far more dirty civil wars and insurgent conflicts than the Right has won. There are a host of reasons for this, but most notable is the aversion, on the Right, to give up the security of law-and-order. As long as there is a politician telling them, “Now, now, let’s all keep calm. Let the authorities sort this out,” the Right is content to sit at home and bitch about those juvenile delinquents. The Left? They’re all, “FUCK THE MAN! LET’S MAKE IT BURN!” As long as there is a police officer in uniform…even if he is, like so many are currently, telling people, “Hey, we’re probably gonna be busy with other catastrophes when your personal catastrophe happens, so you’re on your own….” as long as he is on the job, the Right is going to say, “Meh, we’ll let the police do their job.” The Left? They’re going, “FUCK THE MAN! KILL THE PIGS!”

#3) The government isn’t going to save you. The government isn’t going to save your neighborhood, your city, or your state. The government MAY try and save itself. Those piranhas in the Beltway, on both sides of the aisle? They don’t give two shits about Mayberry RFD, until Mayberry RFD isn’t paying it’s taxes anymore, and by then? It’ll be too late for Sheriff Andy, Deputy Barney, Aunt Bea, Opie, and all their friends and neighbors. You want to be saved, you’d better be looking around and building what SF once upon a time called “CIDG,” or “Civilian Irregular Defense Groups,” among your neighbors and friends and families….you know…your tribe: the people in your local community that share your values and traditions. There’s a couple of really good books available that tell you exactly how to go about selecting those people, and training them. Let me see if I can recall what they are, and where you can fucking buy them……

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People are emailing me and asking, “John, what can we do?” “John, what should we be doing right now to get ready?” I see the same questions getting asked everywhere; Sam’s pages, Matt’s FB page, etc. Here’s the problem….



WE ALREADY FUCKING TOLD YOU WHAT YOU NEEDED TO DO!!!!!! WE’VE BEEN TELLING YOU FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS!!! Hell, in Bracken’s case, he’s been telling you for over a fucking decade!

You want to know how a Dirty War is fought, even on defense? With pistols, in urban areas. Guess what? I know a dude teaching a Clandestine Carry Pistol class in a couple weeks, in Arizona! He’s doing a CQB class the following weekend! If you live in motherfucking Arizona….with the cartels running shit through your neighborhoods every…single…fucking…day….and you’re not already keyed in on this shit? You’re too fucking stupid to save. So, why is it that my wife is telling me that we’re gonna have to cancel these classes, because there’s not been enough people interested in taking them? Because nobody wants to face the ugly reality, that it’s already started. It’s easier to sit on your computer, order multicam gear off Amazon.com, and talk shit about “open season on libtards!” than it is to face the task of somebody maybe telling you that you don’t know what the fuck you’re doing, after all, by bucking up and taking a class on shit that is actually relevant to you.

Don’t want to take my class, because I’m an obnoxious, foul-mouthed prick that calls a spade a spade? There’s a host of classes available from qualified dudes who are far nicer than me (not really. Anyone who has taken a class with me will tell you, I’m actually Prince Charming…in my own inimitable way…)

That’s okay. I get it. Classes are expensive, and might be embarrassing. I mean, not as embarrassing as getting anal raped with your own EDC gun, by the dude that just killed you and took it from you, but, yeah, it could be embarrassing. So, there’s an alternative. I fucking wrote THREE goddamned books for you people. They are all how-to books. Two of them have the step-by-step curriculum, and the techniques and drills that make up those curricula, to train with somebody you know, that already has a background in the skills. I’ve written seven or eight books worth of free information on this blog, over the last six-plus years, explaining what you needed to be, know, and do, to be ready. When you ask, in public, “gee, golly. What should I be training in for this?” it tells me, you haven’t done your fucking homework. You’re just reading shit on the Internet forums and Facebook, and imagining yourself as Sergeant Fucking York.

So, here’s my actionable steps for readers (who haven’t yet) to take, to play catch up, and start getting ready for the festivities to come to their ‘hood:

Enroll in a fucking legit concealed carry-centric gunfighting course.
Get some advanced trauma medical care training.
READ THE FUCKING BOOKS! Yeah, they’re expensive. As someone pointed out, not long ago, they’re a fucking post-grad course in “how to be The Most Dangerous Man You Know.”
Yes, I just pimped my own classes and books. Get over it. They’re that important, and that valuable.
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He makes some good points, for example people are much more likely to use social media than act and/or open their wallets. That last section, summarized, is "my business model isn't working out the way I had hoped."

If the Milo/Berkeley incident repeats at Texas A&M, or the US dollar suddenly drops, or Chinese elites stop buying real estate here, then I'll be concerned.
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China is so corrupt that buying real estate here in the US as a way of hedging their bets isn't going away anytime soon.

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