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(01-12-2017 03:54 AM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  The thing that convinces me the most is that European governments criminalize holocaust denial, and that holocaust skeptics in the US with first amendment protections actually got kidnapped and brought to Europe so they could be prosecuted.

That's a massive claim. Could you elaborate and/or link to a source?
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I thought this writeup by David Irving was pretty interesting:

The Suppressed Eichmann and Goebbels Papers

It's about 10,000 words so way too long to quote here.

The whole thing is worth reading (it's a bit rambly at the start), but the following passage is of particular interest given the earlier mention of Rudolf Hoess. He's speaking of Adolf Eichmann here:

Quote:Round about 1958, he [Eichmann] gets hold of the “memoirs” of Rudolf Höss, which were published by the Institute of Contemporary History in Munich in that year. Höss wrote these “memoirs” while he was in Krakow, in Polish captivity. They’ve always been a problem – let’s be frank about this – they’ve been a problem to Revisionists.

Eichmann’s comments on the Höss memoirs are annihilating. Reading where Rudolf Höss is saying that two and a half million Jews have been liquidated at Auschwitz, the camp where he was commandant, Eichmann comments, “Where does Höss believe that he got these two and a half million Jews? Not from me. Because to have liquidated two and a half million decrepit, elderly, unworkable Jews, I must have had to feed to him three, four, five, six or seven million Jews in that space of time, and from the transport point of view alone this would have been totally impossible.”

You see, the memoirs of Eichmann are very useful in this respect. He was the transport specialist whose job it was to round up the Jews in Hungary and Slovakia. and ship them off to Germany for forced labor and for dissipation to the other labor camps. He knew that shipping off millions of Jews wasn’t something you do at the snap of your fingers: you had to have conferences with the railway officials and with the road officials, and with the guards and with everybody else who was going to be involved in all this. You had to provide the food for the transports which were going to be on the rails for four or five or six days. All this had to be prepared and planned with typical German bureaucracy and method, and that took meetings and conferences. And Eichmann said, “If you’re going to ship five or six million Jews across Europe to Auschwitz at that time, let me tell you how many trains that would have taken,” and he worked out how many trains it would have taken, because he knew.

“You’re not only going to have trains going that way full of Jews, you’re going to have empty trains coming back. And you’re going to have to have a circulation time, a time where they’re unloading at one end, a time where they’re loading at the other end... You’re going to need so many thousands of wagons” of rolling stock. He worked out exactly how much rolling stock would have been needed, in these memoirs, and he said, “This alone proves that Rudolf Höss was talking through his hat. These figures are totally fantastic, and what the hell is Höss up to?” That is a brief, lurid summary of what Eichmann writes as he’s sitting in what he believes to be safety in the underground in Argentina, reading these memoirs of Höss, published in 1958.

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Something else I found of interest when I was looking up David Irving, related to the US election:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/hom...28171.html

Quote:Anti-Semitic historian David Irving claims new support from teenage Holocaust-denying Trump fans

‘Racist’ author says young people are contacting him in their thousands to find out ‘the truth’ about Hitler

Ben Kentish | @BenKentish | Sunday 15 January 2017

Historian David Irving has claimed he is inspiring a “new generation” of Holocaust deniers through YouTube videos of his speeches.

The author, labelled “antisemitic and racist” by a judge in his failed 2000 libel action, said he received hundreds of emails a day from young people who back his views – many of them supporters of Donald Trump.

The 78-year-old told The Guardian: “Interest in my work has risen exponentially in the last two or three years. And it’s mostly young people.

“I’m getting messages from 14, 15 and 16-year-olds in America. They find me on YouTube. There are 220 of my lectures on YouTube, I believe, and these young people tell me how they’ve stayed up all night watching them.

“They get in touch because they want to find out the truth about Hitler and the Second World War. They ask all sorts of questions. I’m getting up to 300 to 400 emails a day. And I answer them all. I build a relationship with them.”

Despite a mass of historical evidence to the contrary, Mr Irving has claimed only a few Jews were killed by the Nazis and that the concentration camp gas chambers were a hoax. He once compared the Auschwitz death camp to “Disneyland”.

His theories have been criticised by a range of respected historians, who cite a significant lack of supporting evidence and accuse him of ignoring overwhelming evidence that millions of Jews were murdered by the Nazis.

He has also been arrested in a number of countries where Holocaust denial is a crime and served a year in prison in Austria for his views.

Once a highly regarded academic, Mr Irving has more recently been described as a “maverick” who produces “provocations” instead of serious scholarly work.

Despite this, Mr Irving said he had noticed a growing interest in his work and claimed “the truth about the Holocaust is gradually coming out”.

He said: “This is thanks to the internet. It’s how this new generation finds me. There’s a general belief among people out there that they are being misled.”

He said his fans mostly supported President-elect Donald Trump, who he thinks will be a good president and “has his heart in the right place”. He also praised Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, describing him as “a very fine man” and admitting he was impressed by him.

Mr Irving claimed the internet was responsible for fuelling Holocaust denial among people who did not trust the mainstream media.

He said: “It’s all to do with this phenomenon of people not trusting what they are told by their governments and newspapers. They seek around to find someone who provides some remedy to this. And they find me.

“I am part of the remedy. It’s not just that I’m selling huge amounts of books around the world. One of the big changes of the last two years is the amount I’m getting in donations.

“It used to be small amounts, and they still come in, but people are now giving me very large sums indeed – five-figure sums. I now drive a Rolls-Royce. A beautiful car. Though money is completely unimportant to me.”

The historian was speaking ahead of the UK release of a new film about his legal dispute with Penguin Books after he accused them of libel for publishing a book calling him a Holocaust denier and claiming he had falsified evidence. The film, titled Denial, will cover the story of the court case, which Mr Irving lost. The judge concluded the historian was “anti-Semitic and racist” and “associates with right-wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism”.

The historian had “deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence”, the judge added.

Boy, that's just dripping with hostility, eh?

I'm not a neo-Nazi. I just don't like being lied to. And new implications of the big lie of the holocaust (and related events) occur to me just about every day now.

Never before did I fully grasp the weight of the phrase "history is written by the victors."
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(01-17-2017 07:25 PM)Delta Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 03:54 AM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  The thing that convinces me the most is that European governments criminalize holocaust denial, and that holocaust skeptics in the US with first amendment protections actually got kidnapped and brought to Europe so they could be prosecuted.

That's a massive claim. Could you elaborate and/or link to a source?

My mistake, when I was skimming the holocaust deprogramming site I got the impression it was that group of Jews that hunts down ex-Nazis that was catching the public holocaust deniers as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel

Sounds like Zundel got hounded out of Canada just so they could nail him with German anti-free speech laws.

At any rate you don't see this kind of government response to flat earthers or writers peddling bullshit diet books, so that suggests these guys' claims are worth investigating at the very least.
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(01-18-2017 04:50 PM)weambulance Wrote:  Never before did I fully grasp the weight of the phrase "history is written by the victors."

That's the bitch of it all. That phrase and another one.

"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

and

"History is written by the victors."

Hell, even Churchill said below:

[Image: rwa.jpg]

It's pretty much why I learned almost nothing about history in history class in highschool or college.

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Excerpt from a good write-up by Germar Rudolf:

Quote: Why should I take Holocaust revisionism any more seriously than the claim that the earth is flat?

4. Last but not least we have the climate change debate. What if climate change is – rightly or wrongly – assumed real, and we implement drastic measures to counter it? Then worldwide carbon emission limits might cause a major economic crisis at worst. On the other hand, what if climate change is erroneously assumed a hoax, and we keep spewing carbon dioxide into the atmosphere? Then a mass extinction event may happen on earth, wiping out most life as we know it, including all humans. Which brings up the issue of risk assessment. Any side in any debate can be wrong. The question then is: which side can claim to err on the side of caution? If the answer is as extremely clear as in the climate debate, it should be clear which end of the stick we should pick, no matter what.
  • The Holocaust was and is the justification for the creation of Israel, and the ethnic cleansing of Arab Palestinians from territories under its control.
  • The Holocaust is with a distance the most important aspect of modern, predominantly secularized Jewish identity.
  • The Holocaust is abused as a justification for any human rights violations and violations of international law committed by Israeli authorities.
  • The Holocaust is the moral justification for the special relationship between the US and other western nations on one hand and Israel on the other, resulting in almost unanimous and unconditional support for whatever Israel does.
  • The Holocaust is in extension used to support and justify the “war on terror,” which is to a large degree a war of the West against the Arab and Muslim world as Israel’s potentially most dangerous opponents and enemies.
  • The Holocaust is with a distance the most important aspect of modern, predominantly secularized GERMAN identity. It makes the German nation defenseless against any claims usually resisted by self-confidant nations. Germay’s Holocaust cult is a suicidal death cult. This has become crystal clear with the 2015 refugee crisis.
  • The Holocaust is abused to undermine any attempt at self-preservation by individual European nations, or by Europe in general, thus threatening the entire continent to be turned into an assembly of failed third world countries.

The last two bolded bullet points are key to why the lie of the gas chambers must be exposed. [i]The Holocaust is being used as a psychological weapon of mass destruction against the European people
. I will write a longer post on that when I have more time.
[/i]



Yeah - I don't disagree with the Holocoust propanda and their goals, but seriously the Global Warming Green Fascism is even worse - much worse.

Has anyone even read what the full Agenda 21 is planned to do in 50 years?

+ Barely any private cars
+ barely any travel
+ Most of humanity living in overcrowded cities
+ everything producing "carbon" taxed to the hilt - meat will be a rare delicacy
+ utter and complete tyranny under the guise of global warming

Carbon taxes have barely begun and you haven't tasted anything yet. It is of an even greater importance to unmask this farce, because that will impact us even more than the Holocoust exaggeration (it is not a complete lie, but a severe oversimplification & exaggeration). Even without the Holocoust, then the globalists would expound the evil white male, colonialism, the crusades, exploitation of the poor brown people etc. Even countries which have nothing done in terms of Nazi association get exterminated like the French or British.

So I disagree strongly that this issue is the most important one out there. Light has to be directed on it, but for example the Global Warming scam and the 9/11 event has far greater implications.
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(01-18-2017 06:23 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  'scorpion'
Excerpt from a good write-up by Germar Rudolf:

Quote: Why should I take Holocaust revisionism any more seriously than the claim that the earth is flat?

4. Last but not least we have the climate change debate. What if climate change is – rightly or wrongly – assumed real, and we implement drastic measures to counter it? Then worldwide carbon emission limits might cause a major economic crisis at worst. On the other hand, what if climate change is erroneously assumed a hoax, and we keep spewing carbon dioxide into the atmosphere? Then a mass extinction event may happen on earth, wiping out most life as we know it, including all humans. Which brings up the issue of risk assessment. Any side in any debate can be wrong. The question then is: which side can claim to err on the side of caution? If the answer is as extremely clear as in the climate debate, it should be clear which end of the stick we should pick, no matter what.
  • The Holocaust was and is the justification for the creation of Israel, and the ethnic cleansing of Arab Palestinians from territories under its control.
  • The Holocaust is with a distance the most important aspect of modern, predominantly secularized Jewish identity.
  • The Holocaust is abused as a justification for any human rights violations and violations of international law committed by Israeli authorities.
  • The Holocaust is the moral justification for the special relationship between the US and other western nations on one hand and Israel on the other, resulting in almost unanimous and unconditional support for whatever Israel does.
  • The Holocaust is in extension used to support and justify the “war on terror,” which is to a large degree a war of the West against the Arab and Muslim world as Israel’s potentially most dangerous opponents and enemies.
  • The Holocaust is with a distance the most important aspect of modern, predominantly secularized GERMAN identity. It makes the German nation defenseless against any claims usually resisted by self-confidant nations. Germay’s Holocaust cult is a suicidal death cult. This has become crystal clear with the 2015 refugee crisis.
  • The Holocaust is abused to undermine any attempt at self-preservation by individual European nations, or by Europe in general, thus threatening the entire continent to be turned into an assembly of failed third world countries.

The last two bolded bullet points are key to why the lie of the gas chambers must be exposed. [i]The Holocaust is being used as a psychological weapon of mass destruction against the European people
. I will write a longer post on that when I have more time.
[/i]



Yeah - I don't disagree with the Holocoust propanda and their goals, but seriously the Global Warming Green Fascism is even worse - much worse.

Has anyone even read what the full Agenda 21 is planned to do in 50 years?

+ Barely any private cars
+ barely any travel
+ Most of humanity living in overcrowded cities
+ everything producing "carbon" taxed to the hilt - meat will be a rare delicacy
+ utter and complete tyranny under the guise of global warming

Carbon taxes have barely begun and you haven't tasted anything yet. It is of an even greater importance to unmask this farce, because that will impact us even more than the Holocoust exaggeration (it is not a complete lie, but a severe oversimplification & exaggeration). Even without the Holocoust, then the globalists would expound the evil white male, colonialism, the crusades, exploitation of the poor brown people etc. Even countries which have nothing done in terms of Nazi association get exterminated like the French or British.

So I disagree strongly that this issue is the most important one out there. Light has to be directed on it, but for example the Global Warming scam and the 9/11 event has far greater implications.

In general that "take the risk averse side" argument is fallacious. It's just another version of Pascal's Wager, i.e. believe in God just in case He exists so you don't make him angry.

In fact going whole hog on reducing CO2 might be the world-destroying action, since the Earth did freeze solid once prior to the Cambrian explosion owing to lack of greenhouse gases.
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The more you read, the more you find out, the more you wonder how many hoaxes have there been in history?

https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/01/were-...-hoax.html

by Miles Mathis
(Excerpt by henrymakow.com)


So with almost no research, we have already found Hitler is Jewish in all or almost all his lines. He is Jewish on both the maternal and paternal side, and on his mother's side--the important one--he is Jewish in many lines. There is no way he wasn't aware of it. Given that, we may assume that the whole story about his paternal grandmother being a servant is also false. Like everyone else we have outed, Hitler looks to have been from wealth. He would never have been chosen for his part if he weren't from wealth. To be picked for the magnificent Beer Hall Putsch fake, Hilter must have been from the top Jewish families of Germany and Austria....

[Image: Eichmann%20smirk.jpg]
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(left, Eichmann, born in Israel?)

It wasn't only Hitler: all the other big names are Jewish as well, including Goebbels, Himmler, Hess and Eichmann. We will start with Otto Adolf Eichmann.

As another clue, it is admitted in this FBI document that Eichmann could speak Yiddish, Hebrew, and several Arabic dialects. Really? If you wished to wipe out an entire race, would you take the time to learn their language? Say you wished to destroy every cat on the planet: would you learn to meow?

Beyond that, remember that in Eichmann's bio, we are told he dropped out of vocational college and worked as district manager for an oil company. So when and why did he learn Hebrew and Yiddish and several Arabic dialects? He was 26 when he joined the Nazi party, and we are told he advanced due to his knowledge of the enemy. So he must have already known all this in his 20s. And we find another problem in that FBI document. This one is a doozy. Director Hoover tells us Eichmann was born in the "German colony Sarona, which is now the seat of the Israel Government and called Hakiriya".

But the current [official] story is that Eichmann was born in Solingen, Germany. Given that, it is worth searching on Sarona. Wiki tells us it is a German Templer colony founded in 1871, now a neighborhood of Tel Aviv. It was "a model for Jewish pioneers". This means that Hoover has admitted Eichmann was Jewish. ...Eichmann was working for the Rockefellers [Vacuum oil company.]. In fact, that is where he was working when he was "discovered". He went directly from Standard Oil to the SS. It says so at Wikipedia. Since the mainstream admits Eichmann was teased as a boy and called "the little Jewish boy" by his classmates, we should ask why. We are told this teasing caused him to hate Jews, but we are never given a good reason why he was called that...

So let's move on to Rudolph Hess. This is also ridiculously easy. His maternal grandmother is listed at Geni as Adelheid Ferber. Ferber is a Jewish name...

NSDAP was built from the ground up by agents of the billionaires. Like Hitler, Goebbels is a very obvious agent, and I doubt that he was even married to Magda Quandt. The whole thing now looks like theater--as Goebbels' 105-year-old secretary tried to tell us. "The only thing you can say about Goebbels is that he was an outstanding actor." Magda was playing a part just as much as Joseph, and the children were likely plants as well.
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Note on Dietrich Bronder, Before Hitler Came

This book is in german language. English title would be: Before Hitler came - A historical study (1975). Dietrich Bronder's monumental book exposes the occult roots and shadowy organizations behind the rise of Adolf Hitler. From philosophers that helped to shape the political doctrine of national socialism to secret societies (such as Thule) that later implemented it as the 3rd Reich slowly gained its final form as envisioned by the secret founders. But all this was not the real reason why the book was (and still is) banned from print.

It is truly an irony that Bronder, a Jewish professor of history, would discover the forbidden history of dominant Jewish involvement in building the 3rd Reich. He shows in incredible detail which Jews financed Adolf Hitler and thus helped him to power. As it later turned out many high-level Nazi dignitaries had Jewish ancestry and were actively working to terrorize the European Jews to get them into Palestine. Later the Zionists have done everything in their power to suppress information of their co-operation with the Nazis in the years before the Second World War.

It turned out that it was the Jewish masonic lodge B'nai B'rith, in co-operation with the Zionist organization, LICA (Ligue International contre l'Antisemitisme) in Paris that was behind the so called Kristallnacht on 9 November 1938. The aim of the LICA provocation was to encourage the emigration of German Jews to Palestine. B'nai B'rith had previously infiltrated the Nazi movement's vital parts: the SS, the SA and the party. The Nazi leadership took no legal action against B'nai B'rith, which was allowed to continue its subversive activities. It had 12 000 members in 80 lodges in Germany, three of them in Berlin. B'nai B'rith was the only Jewish organization allowed by Hitler to remain active and open during the Nazi regime after 1933.

The Zionist collaboration with Hitler went so far that some of them were declared Aryans, among them the banker Oppenheimer and the aircraft manufacturer Ernst Heinrich Heinckel. This explains why a large number of Jews were given Aryan documents. Thus the Nazi leadership also included Jews with "the right documents", among them the head of the SS Heinrich Himmler, Wilhelm Canaris, Alfred Rosenberg and Joseph Goebbels. The deputy Chancellor of the Reich, Rudolf Hess, was born in Egypt by a Jewish mother. Thousands of men of Jewish descent, and hundreds of those designated as Jews by the Nazis, served in the military with Hitler's knowledge.

In some twenty cases, soldiers of Jewish descent were decorated with the Ritterkreuz, one of the highest awards of merit in the German army. But it seems the "other" side was also full of them as 430 000 Soviet Jews fought German Jews in the Second World War. The Red Army high command also included many Jews, among them the generals Solomon Raikin, Isaak Revzis, Simon Reizin, Josef Rubin, Mikhail Belkin, Zelik Yoffe, and Grigori Preizman.

Fully documented, Before Hitler came lays bare the biggest secret behind antisemitic movements, namely that it was started by Jews
themselves. As Austrian writer Rudolf Kommoss warned the world: "Should there arise a party led by anti-Semite Jews or half-Jews, we will have to watch out!" 450 pages.



Bevor Hitler kam - before Hitler came:

Original free book in German: https://archive.org/details/Sebottendorf...Hitler-kam

Online text translation: https://archive.org/stream/BronderBefore...)_djvu.txt

I'll read the book when I have the time, but it sure as hell sounds interesting.

The information found there is nothing new insofar that parts of it crop up in the works of Antony Sutton as well as in some Jewish witnesses (a book by a Rabbi written in the 1940s).

I honestly would not be surprised if all of this was true and even that would not be the full extent. Nevermind the exaggeration of the Holocoust - what if the Nazi regime was led by the globalists and many Jews?

Sometimes the more you know, the more disgusted you are.... of the ruling elite.
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About the carbon tax hoax. We've just started feeling it, as an everyday reality, in Canada.

Coincidentally, it occurs at the same time that somewhat attractive, liberal, big city dwelling women on my social media feeds begin to post about how we really should all stop eating meat, for the environment.
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About the carbon tax hoax. We've just started feeling it, as an everyday reality, in Canada.

Coincidentally, it occurs at the same time that somewhat attractive, liberal, big city dwelling women on my social media feeds begin to post about how we really should all stop eating meat, for the environment.


Yes - I read about it. So far the changes are minor, but the tax will keep on rising every year and it will include EVERYTHING - meat, milk, the wrapper on your candy until one day you cannot afford to live in the countryside, eat meat or travel at all. But since it comes in smaller increments and takes 20-30 years, the people won't rebel. They are rather more concerned about Trump grabbing pussy, which wants to be grabbed.
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"Yes, it's not true. But in my imagination it was true."

An interesting peek into the mindset of a Holocaust Hoaxer, who is bizarrely unrepentant about perpetuating his lie. He strikes me as a sociopath.




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"Yes, it's not true. But in my imagination it was true."

An interesting peek into the mindset of a Holocaust Hoaxer, who is bizarrely unrepentant about perpetuating his lie. He strikes me as a sociopath.






Reminds me of this one clip I saw from Israeli TV where a woman finds out that her mother was supposed to have been pregnant in a concentration camp with her - in fact given birth to her there.

Then after her death she finds pictures of her mom living in the German countryside being all happy content. She even says on TV that every Jew living in that time even remotely close to Nazi Germany calls himself a survivor which of course is an insult to the ones who were actually surviving a concentration camp.
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Liberal Left-wing Jews push that Holocaust narrative so much in Canada, along with Hayley Firkser's anti-Roosh feminism.

Regarding the German-Canadian author, Ernst Zundel doesn't sound to be that violent compared to these white supremacist white knights these days. He just want to study history & he got persecuted for publishing a thought experiment, just like Roosh & his thought experiment about gender.

I think one mistake that led me to becoming Ernst Zundel in Canada was that when I enrolled in university in 2012, I didn't know about the Holocaust because I came from Latin America. So when the Professor in Psychology class, pointed out a question about reducing the pain & agony relating to Jews & Holocaust survivors, I thought the answer was to not put that much significance to the memories in order to lessen the "fear" of the Holocaust because it already happened, & literally that entire class looked at me & started to talk behind my back something bad about me.

Professor was nervous & replied that we should put emphasis on the atrocities of the Holocaust. I probably didn't get into trouble because I was considered a new foreign student.

From 2013, Chanty Binx feminism turned into the discussion & the fucking professors never let me discuss such topics in class. So to evaluate whether I was treated worse for my innocent "Holocaust denial" or "misogyny", it's feminism which is the new cult in the West.

Though Ernst Zundel was terrorized in Toronto for "Holocaust denial" back in the 1980s, There are thousands of Holocaust revisionists who are not being treated that badly compared to magnetosphere bloggers today.

When posting on a forum about how 5,999,999 Jews plus 1 Rabbi died in the Holocaust can get one into trouble in Europe & even Canada, back in the day, I don't see it as that taboo today because feminism, LGBT rights are the new trend for thought control.

Plus, if you ask an Israeli what is on their mind, it's about land dispute with the Palestinians rather than Adolf Hitler coming to anally fuck Mr. Goldman's wife in her gas chamber before using his semen to exterminate her.

Times changed yo. Holocaust revisionism, "denial-ism" isn't that of a taboo today unless your a white man in Germany or Austria.
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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread
Speaking of the topic in hand, has anyone seen the movie 'Denial'?



From the trailer it looks like they did a number on Irving (unsurprisingly) and painted Lipstadt as the shining hero battling against the 'raging Nazi supporting, anti-Semite'.
I was half thinking of going to see it, just to see how much manipulation of the facts they try to foist on the unsuspecting moviegoers.
It strikes me as no coincidence that this was released in recent months, so as to plant the idea of "poor desperate refugees" in peoples' minds again and try and emotionally manipulate the masses to accept yet more waves of invaders into the West.
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< Yeah - they did a number in that movie.

Even the choice of the actors was quite telling - Makow had an article on that:

https://www.henrymakow.com/2016/08/holly...siden.html

[Image: irving.jpg]
The "villain"

[Image: lipstadt.jpg]
The "heroine"

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While Makow is a bit crazy and wrong on some things he digs out good stuff like this Jewish historian who is a revisionist of sorts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shahak

https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/02/NWO-i...sm%20.html


Quote:Israel Shahak's book, Jewish History, Jewish Religion (1986) provides the answer. From the second century until roughly the eighteenth, Jews were under the heel of their rabbis and wealthy leaders. They were a "closed society... one of the most totalitarian societies in the whole history of mankind." (14-15) - See more at: https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/02/NWO-i...0Cmxr.dpuf

Quote:Since the late Roman Empire, Judaism was enforced by physical coercion. Rabbinical Courts ordered fines, flogging, imprisonment and even death for Jews breaking any of the hundreds of laws governing every aspect of daily life. "Jewish women who cohabited with Gentiles had their noses cut off by rabbis...In religious disputes, those thought to be heretics had their tongues cut out."

The rabbis and rich Jews were in alliance with the Gentile aristocracy who enforced this tyranny and shared in the spoils. They were alligned against poor Jews and peasants alike. The rich Jews always flourished in oppressive feudal regimes because, as bureaucrats, bailiffs and tax farmers, they "mediated the oppression" of the peasants.

Shahak says Israel too is a "closed society" frankly dedicated to Jewish supremacy and hatred of non-Jews. Jewish culture evinces little honest self-examination lest Judaism's true malevolent character be exposed. Shahak writes:

Quote:"Classical Judaism had little interest in describing or explaining itself to its own members ... The first book on Jewish history proper (dealing with ancient history) was promptly banned and repressed by the highest rabbinical authorities... As a consequence, 200 years ago, the vast majority of Jews were totally in the dark about ... Jewish history and Jewry's contemporary state; and they were quite content to remain so....Jewish studies are polemics against an external enemy rather than an internal debate...When a whole society tries to return to totalitarianism, a totalitarian history is written." (p. 20-22)

Similarly, the West is returning to this Jewish model of totalitarianism. Mainstream discourse is tightly controlled. Pundits who stray from the party line are fired or forced to atone. We have become Jews under the yoke of Judaism - See more at:

Quote:In Shahak's words: "Israel and Zionism are a throw-back to the role of classical Judaism, writ large on a global scale...The road to genuine revolution in Judaism--to making it humane, allowing Jews to understand their own past, thereby re-educating themselves out of its tyranny-- lies through an unrelenting critique of the Jewish religion." p. 74 - See more at:
https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/02/NWO-is-Throwback-to-Totalitarian-Judaism%20.html#sthash.dP80Cmxr.dpuf

That's quite some heavy stuff coming from a Jewish intellectual. But of course it is not surprising. Currently they are implementing the control grid of old-style Talmudic control.

That is why the Holocoust costed so many lives of poor Jews and their own elite did not care - in fact they never cared.
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So the US, British and Canadian soldiers (who are all heroes) are all lying? All the native french people who have told their stories about how the Nazis rounded up and deported Jews are lying? The fact that Hitler/Himmler are on record mentioning the destruction of Jews doesn't convince you?

It seems to me that holocaust denial is some sort of alt-right 'edginess' contest to show how much you know that '(((they)))' control our perception of them.
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^^^
Careful, you're heading for straw man territory with that post.
To be fair, i don't think most of us who have been commenting in this thread are advocating any of these points you mention.
Remember it's a factfinding thread, not a 'denial' thread, see my last post above where I refer to the 'Denial' movie where they plant the same kind of straw man seed in the public's mind by suggesting Irving denied the Holocaust, rather than his actual position whereby he very much questioned and held up for scrutiny certain aspects of the Holocaust, several of which have been shown in recent times to have been significantly exaggerated, and in some cases were complete fabrications.
We're all here because we're interested in the facts and precisily because there has been so much manipulaton and revision of the events of the Holocaust by corrupt and immoral actors over the years.
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RE: Holocaust fact finding thread
Gavin MacInnis has ruffled some feathers during a tour of Israel with his Rebel Media cohorts:

Quote:....Like pretty much everyone at The Rebel, McInnes generally has branded himself a Zionist and a friend of the Jews. Levant himself has staked much of his career on his pro-Israeli bona fides, and aims much of his fundraising and editorial offerings at Canadians who feel that the mainstream media is anti-Semitic. In recent weeks, the Rebel even raised money to send a group—including Goldy, Gunn Reid, Levant, and McInnes—to the Holy Land, so they could report in person from the front lines of the war against militant Islam. It all seemed to be going rather smoothly, with Goldy and McInnes even going so far as to stand in the middle of Bethlehem and call for a new Crusade against local Muslims.

But then it all went off the rails when McInnes riffed on Israel in one of his solo video segments. Seen sitting in an armchair with mic in hand, McInnes described the tour as “basically a brainwashing trip. I mean, I think the Jewish—the Israeli government paid for this and we had donors, too, but I think they were mostly Israelis who assumed we are gonna listen to all this shit we get fed. And that is having the reverse effect on me, I’m becoming anti-Semitic.”

“Like at the Holocaust museum,” he continued, apparently referring to Yad Vashem, Israel’s official memorial to the victims of Nazi genocide. “Or as I called it the”—here, he uses air quotes—“Holocaust museum.” He then adopts an accent that I assume is supposed to sound Israeli, but is more typical of crudely caricatured ghetto Jewish, and says: “At one point the tour guide goes ‘You know and there are some people who think this didn’t happen.’ And I felt like—I felt [like] defending the super far-right Nazis, just because of so much brainwashing, and I felt like saying ‘Well, they never said it didn’t happen’—what they are saying is that it was much less than six million and that they starved to death. They weren’t gassed. That they didn’t have supplies. And they starved to death. They were horrible, and there were mass graves, and all the pictures are real and everything but um, uh, it wasn’t gassing. I’m not saying it wasn’t gassing, please don’t take that clip out of context, but that’s what the far-right nuts are saying.”

It could have ended there. But alas, it didn’t. “There’s been a lot of genocides,” McInnes informs us. “Mao killed seventy million. This guy—I read about this guy that the Tsarnaev brothers [the Boston Marathon bombers] are named after, [who] killed 5 percent—he’s a Muslim [who] killed something like 5 percent of the Muslim population—Tsarnaev—anyway, uh, Stalin, you know with the Bolsheviks killed 30 million. But, the Russians don’t talk about that, they don’t even necessarily see it as a horrible thing.”

And then this: “[The] Holodomor was Ukrainians, I think it was 10 million Ukrainians that were killed . . . That was by Jews, that was by Marxist, Stalinist, Left-wing, commie, socialist Jews. See what this fucking place is doing to me?”

This refers to an old blood libel—the anti-Semitic canard that it was primarily Jews who killed Ukrainians during the forced starvations of 1932 and 1933. It’s not true, of course. Lazar Kaganovich, one of Stalin’s leaders in Ukraine, was indeed Jewish. But most leading Jewish Communists had been exiled or murdered by 1930, and a mere 5 percent of the party’s membership was Jewish at the time. The killers in Ukraine were overwhelmingly ethnic Russians.

McInnes then moves on to the treaty that ended the First World War—always promising terrain for anyone seeking to “contextualize” the crimes of the Nazis: “Even with the Nazis, though, wasn’t the Treaty of Versailles, wasn’t that disproportionately influenced by Jewish intellectuals? And the Treaty of Versailles was the deal Germany got after World War One. It sucked, and Germans hated it, and they were basically told that they had to give all their money back to the Allies, you know, to pay this undue penance for World War One.” (It seems silly to have to mention this, but I suppose I must: Most of the world leaders who conceived and created the Treaty of Versailles were certainly not Jewish.)

As for the Jewish attitude toward the Holocaust: “And you have the Holocaust Museum and you have this guy who won’t stop—god, they’re so obsessed with the Holocaust. And yes, I know it was bad, don’t get me wrong. I’m not pro-Holocaust. That’d be funny in your Twitter bio if it was just ‘pro-Holocaust,’” and he laughs. “But, it’s a strange thing. It’s like a liberal thing, it’s arguably a white thing, but it’s a Jewish thing to sort of dwell on the past. And this whole nation-state is talking about ‘Seventy-five years ago, my people were killed.’ Always the Jews, always killing us, we are the scapegoats.” (Once again, he adopts a mock Jewish accent.) He then informs us that other peoples have suffered, other genocides and massacres have taken place, but that those victims have, well, moved on. But not those Jews.

By the time McInnes arrived back in Canada, he had become something of a hero on various Nazi web sites—with assorted fascists, Jew-haters and even Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke praising his “courage.” Needless to say, this was an embarrassment to all concerned. McInnes hastily recorded an official Rebel apology, which seemed to me about as convincing as an NHL enforcer performing the Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy. He said he actually loved Jews and hated Nazis, and assured everyone that he had emphasized in the video that what he had said must be taken “in context.” (In fact he only used that phrase once in the original tape—and it’s specific to the subject of Holocaust denial. At no time does the infamous video seem to be overarchingly ironic or satirical.)

All this is quite repulsive and disturbing. And yet Levant has defended McInnes, and even put the man’s cosmetic apology as the pinned tweet on The Rebel’s official account. Which invites the question: Why would a loud-and-proud Zionist such as Levant do this? Given that one of the Right’s main critiques of Islam is the prevalence of anti-Semitism in Muslim communities, why would The Rebel stick by a commentator who uses the Rebel web site to casually tick off long-discredited Jew-baiting talking points?

The most charitable answer would be that Levant is a well-known defender of free speech. Then again, he can be quite selective on this score: He fired me after four days at The Rebel a few years back (before it had become apparent how hateful the site would become) when I dared to defend Ontario’s liberal sex-education curriculum. Levant and his people have also repeatedly called for the defunding and vilification of anyone who seeks to isolate Israel.

No, there is something more fundamental going on here. This is about more than just the ideological pathologies of one weird Canadian media company. It is about a warped new ideological arena where Zionists and creepy Nazi apologists are willing to overlook their differences in service to a common hateful cause.

The entire Trump-Brexit-Le Pen phenomenon has shifted the conversation from informed discussion to wild gestures and hysteria, especially on any issue connected to Islam. Whether it’s Alex Jones and his conspiracy theories, or the US President and his fake-news fetish, anything goes. Outrage is the currency of the new right, and McInnes is a master of the genre. While he makes it look easy, few media commentators have either the hate, or the lack of scruples, to perform this shtick convincingly. And Levant apparently isn’t prepared to give up the clicks that this star generates.

It may well be that McInnes has apologized privately to his Rebel confederates, and promised that he won’t go off-message again. We know he’s been tweeting that he’s not a Nazi, and has even blocked various high-profile racists who applauded his flurry of anti-Semitic memes. But in the meantime, the traffic at The Rebel likely has multiplied.

Questioning the historical narrative of the Holocaust, once the ultimate taboo, is now just fodder for right-wing sensationalism, in other words. A monster has been set free, and I am not sure how it’s going to be pushed back into its soiled cage.




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< Actually McGinnes' video is moderate, but I guess it is not anti-semitic enough to the right and racist to the left.

He raises some good points.

As for Israel - how it got manifested is one thing, but Jerusalem is mentioned in the Talmud and Torah hundreds of times.
Muslims just conquered the territories, because they conquered pretty much anything - and they purely neglected it until the Jews started moving in to the area financed by the globalists.

As for Christians - most would be fine with visitation rights - even the Crusaders were mainly concerned about that.
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David Cole Auschwitz visit. No evidence for gas chambers?
When an American Jew, David Cole, visited Auschwitz in 1992, he apparently found no evidence of any gas chambers, after a thorough examination and investigation. After he released his short documentary (below), he had to go into hiding for more than twenty years because of death threats in the USA.

He ended up working for the Republican party under a different name, organizing parties...




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Lol if McGinnes actually said those things.

I've also tried the Israeli brainwashing and its disgusting. It's crude and actually ethnocentric fascist. Israel is all the things that American jews claim to hate. That's a fact. Israel is warmongering, a terror society where the populace lives in constant, imagined fear, it extremely patriarchal, homophobic and religiously fanatic. And permeating it is a palpable feeling of superiority and ignorance among the Israeli's. Trust me, most people have the same reaction as McInnes when visiting Israel. It's not a pleasent place.
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Amazon bans dozens of books on Holocaust after pressure from Jewish groups.

http://barnesreview.org/amazon-holocaust...te-crimes/
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(03-28-2017 07:04 PM)Lika Wrote:  When an American Jew, David Cole, visited Auschwitz in 1992, he apparently found no evidence of any gas chambers, after a thorough examination and investigation. After he released his short documentary (below), he had to go into hiding for more than twenty years because of death threats in the USA.

He ended up working for the Republican party under a different name, organizing parties...




And David Cole died in an accident just some 6 years later. Of course that is only a coincidence and bad luck.
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(03-29-2017 12:04 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  And David Cole died in an accident just some 6 years later. Of course that is only a coincidence and bad luck.

The story is that he faked his own death and re-surfaced under the name David Stein. Then he was outed again as David Cole a few years ago. He refused to apologize for his past and told people to go get fucked.

Also wrote a great piece on why public apologies are weak and only strengthen the enemy.

http://www.countercontempt.com/archives/4775
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< Interesting.

Quote:Until April 19, 2013, David Stein ran the Republican Party Animals organization. These days, he runs SteinCo Recyclable Bottle Reclamation Service, and he can often be found in Beverly Hills on the eve of trash pick-up day, combing recycle bins for redeemable bottles and cans, and leftover drops of liquor. Pictured below — Dave not apologizing.

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This a joke?
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^ Laugh That description is obviously written in jest. He was some sort of Hollywood organizer, I don't know the exact specifics of what he did.
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