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Tencent (TCEHY) reported earnings today - amazing a company this massive is growing revenue at 50%+

"Tech titan Tencent Holdings Ltd. indicated it was doubling down on investments in China’s mobile-first world to ensure it remains a central presence on the smartphones carried by nearly 800 million Chinese users

The plans emerged as the Shenzhen-based company said its fourth-quarter revenue grew 51% year over year to 66.4 billion yuan ($10.2 billion), boosted by strong growth in mobile payments, digital content subscriptions and advertising on its flagship mobile social apps, WeChat and QQ. Its earnings, meanwhile, nearly doubled from the same period a year ago to $3.2 billion.

The numbers reflected shifts in China’s internet crowd. As of December, China had 772 million internet users, up 2.6% from the year before, with nearly 98% of those being mobile internet users, according to the China Internet Network Information Center. Mobile video users grew by 9.7% and mobile payment users grew by 12%."
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(03-09-2018 08:28 AM)jbkunt2 Wrote:  My impression is the stock market is too high to be investing at this point.
Do others see it differently?
Yeah, the bull market is getting quite long in the tooth. But as long as earnings keep growing it has a change to keep going. If inflation starts to take off and interest rates rise beyond the 2 more increases projected today, then the market will react. IMHO, the key risk is the political risk associated with El Presidente. Things like tarifs, trade wars and extreme uncertainty concerning the future occupant of the white house will cause the markets to react every time they become news items. If people think the current occupant won't make it four years, the markets will take a dive because a lot of the 2017 gains were based on expectations of a pro-business political environment under Trump. The result of all that is you need to look at counter-cyclical stuff and be well diversified into different asset classes.
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I was thinking about getting into this. How good are the returns for you guys versus passive index-fund investing?

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(03-21-2018 09:13 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  I was thinking about getting into this. How good are the returns for you guys versus passive index-fund investing?

I have been averaging 30%+ returns for the past few years, but I am focused on high growth, innovative companies. (eg. I kept highlighting Shopify (SHOP) last year on this thread which climbed from about $50 to $125)

I purchased a large position in Arista Networks (ANET) yesterday at $145.
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(03-19-2018 03:46 PM)BB1 Wrote:  iQiyi will start trading on 29 March with ticker IQ.

More info : https://www.reuters.com/article/us-baidu...SKCN1GU05K

It's down about 80 cents right now, so it might be good to get in at below the IPO price. Robinhood says 421 others bought it today.

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(03-29-2018 01:13 PM)BB1 Wrote:  
(03-21-2018 09:13 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  I was thinking about getting into this. How good are the returns for you guys versus passive index-fund investing?

I have been averaging 30%+ returns for the past few years, but I am focused on high growth, innovative companies. (eg. I kept highlighting Shopify (SHOP) last year on this thread which climbed from about $50 to $125)

I purchased a large position in Arista Networks (ANET) yesterday at $145.

Wow, that's really good.
About how many hours a month do you spend doing research on this, you think?

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There is a serious chance that Tesla might go busto within the year without an external funding source. They are structurally bankrupt and burning billions a quarter with only about 3.5 billion left to go, and they lose money with every car that they sell.

Why they haven't done equity dilution is a mystery, especially since debt financing is no longer an option after the Moody's downgrade. It is possible that they might actually be unable to because of ongoing SEC investigations. Currently, they are quite desperate: https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/article...them-right

Musk may be able to do a song and dance to hike the stock price in the very short term by bullshitting Model 3 production numbers per the article, but given that their profit margins are negative they are simply dead in the long term.

Puts are expensive, so I am just naked shorting on margin. Keep in mind that in the very short term, there could be +/- 30% swings before it finally croaks, or they find some crazy underwriter willing to give them 6-8 billion to keep the lights on.
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If you guys accumulated near half a mil in the next 3 years, would you go dividend stocks with it? Or mix up gold with real estate with securities ...

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(03-29-2018 08:55 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  If you guys accumulated near half a mil in the next 3 years, would you go dividend stocks with it? Or mix up gold with real estate with securities ...

Depends on what you are trying to achieve with the half a mil. Put it in play? Live off of it? Building a retirement fund?
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Just made a pretty penny today off the puts on a big name tech company. I told myself if I made a nice profit, I'd celebrate by buying these pair of running shoes that's $180 I had my eye on for a few months. Now that I hit my goal I have no desire on buying anything expensive and in fact want to be more frugal. Does this ever happen to any of you guys?

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(04-18-2018 09:41 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  Just made a pretty penny today off the puts on a big name tech company. I told myself if I made a nice profit, I'd celebrate by buying these pair of running shoes that's $180 I had my eye on for a few months. Now that I hit my goal I have no desire on buying anything expensive and in fact want to be more frugal. Does this ever happen to any of you guys?

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Eventually you run out of shit to buy and you realize you didn't need that much to begin with.
I spend less now than I did this time a year ago. What else would I buy? Another watch? A DVD for a movie I'll probably never bother to pop out of the case?

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(04-18-2018 09:12 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  
(04-18-2018 09:41 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  Just made a pretty penny today off the puts on a big name tech company. I told myself if I made a nice profit, I'd celebrate by buying these pair of running shoes that's $180 I had my eye on for a few months. Now that I hit my goal I have no desire on buying anything expensive and in fact want to be more frugal. Does this ever happen to any of you guys?

-CD

Eventually you run out of shit to buy and you realize you didn't need that much to begin with.
I spend less now than I did this time a year ago. What else would I buy? Another watch? A DVD for a movie I'll probably never bother to pop out of the case?

Agreed, I will pass and just save the money. Good luck to everyone playing this earnings season. I think I will dabble in Ford and Apple earnings reports.

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Any fresh tips anyone?

I’ve been buying Google and ZenDesk myself...
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(05-03-2018 09:20 AM)jbkunt2 Wrote:  Any fresh tips anyone?

I’ve been buying Google and ZenDesk myself...

Brought a heap of JD.com (JD) today at $37.20
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(05-03-2018 02:55 PM)BB1 Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 09:20 AM)jbkunt2 Wrote:  Any fresh tips anyone?

I’ve been buying Google and ZenDesk myself...

Brought a heap of JD.com (JD) today at $37.20

You seem to know what you're doing with this stuff. Would you mind sharing some of your workflow regarding research and finding/evaluating companies?
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(11-01-2017 04:59 PM)ProGambler Wrote:  Chipotle $2.70
Under Armour $12.00

Both might sink further but I reckon they could double in 2/3 years.

Both up 50% or so, have sold 2/3 and freerolling the rest.
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(12-15-2017 02:03 PM)BB1 Wrote:  I would be more inclined to invest in fast growing, innovative companies that could return over 500% in the next few years and that are under the radar for most investors. Some examples :

Alteryx (AYX)
The Trade Desk (TTD)
Noah (NOAH)
Nutanix (NTNX)
Varonis Systems (VRNS)

The Trade Desk (TTD) up 40% today to $74, an all time high, after they released earnings.

"For the quarter, revenue was $85.7 million, up 61% from a year ago and adjusted EBITDA increased 202% to $18.9 million,” said Founder and CEO of The Trade Desk (TTD), Jeff Green." :

https://seekingalpha.com/pr/17160269-tra...al-results
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^ nice work.

I just bought some AYX in the recent dip based of your suggestion.
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(05-11-2018 11:41 AM)BB1 Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 02:03 PM)BB1 Wrote:  I would be more inclined to invest in fast growing, innovative companies that could return over 500% in the next few years and that are under the radar for most investors. Some examples :

Alteryx (AYX)
The Trade Desk (TTD)
Noah (NOAH)
Nutanix (NTNX)
Varonis Systems (VRNS)

The Trade Desk (TTD) up 40% today to $74, an all time high, after they released earnings.

"For the quarter, revenue was $85.7 million, up 61% from a year ago and adjusted EBITDA increased 202% to $18.9 million,” said Founder and CEO of The Trade Desk (TTD), Jeff Green." :

https://seekingalpha.com/pr/17160269-tra...al-results

Found TTD after your post here and invested after looking into it. Thanks for the tip!
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So I had a ridiculous day last thursday/friday. Closed out a position in NSU that netted me +90% over 3 or 4 months and reinvested the money in ANFI which was my worst looser to date at that point but then gained almost +100% the next day.

Been very heavy on realestate last decade, tripled my money on a tax free home sale over 9 years in Toronto, cashed out at the peek and now getting 10% rental roi + and expected 7% capital appreciation in Colombia. Im waiting for a big global stock market crash in the next 1 to 2 years to really go in on stocks. I will be buying gold this summer as a hedge and maybe another rental property in Colombia by year end if I can get the capitol.
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Why would there be a stock market crash when it's the only thing that yields?
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(05-15-2018 11:41 PM)ProGambler Wrote:  Why would there be a stock market crash when it's the only thing that yields?

First off its not the only thing that yields.

And the 1 to 2 year timing is actually based of a mathematical analysis of the yield curve.

As to WHY it will crash is very complex topic. The simplest answer I can give is that history has shown some very clear patterns. Any country without a central bank gets invaded and taken over. Last ones were Syria and Iraq. Only Iran, North Korea, And Cuba remain. The central bank is a private corporation that controls the world money supply and heavily manipulates the markets and world politics with unlimited resources. Cyclical market crashes are used to transfer real assets from common people to the elite as well as to introduce policy changes to further extend global control. For example the last few crashes were used to take several major currencies off the gold standard. I suspect the next will introduce a central bank baked blockchain currency (bye bye btc). Since the last crash in 2008 the Federal reserve (the US central bank) and a few other central banks (japan, swiss) have been pouring trillions into FANG stocks as well as dropping interest rates around the world inflating the market. If they pull the money out or raise interest rates the market will drop. All media outlets (controlled by the same people) shoutout doom and goom and the average person panics and sells allowing the people who control all the money to buy up real assets like businesses, land, buildings, exc
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(05-16-2018 09:37 AM)Prince Charming Wrote:  
(05-15-2018 11:41 PM)ProGambler Wrote:  Why would there be a stock market crash when it's the only thing that yields?

First off its not the only thing that yields.

And the 1 to 2 year timing is actually based of a mathematical analysis of the yield curve.

As to WHY it will crash is very complex topic. The simplest answer I can give is that history has shown some very clear patterns. Any country without a central bank gets invaded and taken over. Last ones were Syria and Iraq. Only Iran, North Korea, And Cuba remain. The central bank is a private corporation that controls the world money supply and heavily manipulates the markets and world politics with unlimited resources. Cyclical market crashes are used to transfer real assets from common people to the elite as well as well as to introduce policy changes to further extend global control. For example the last few crashes were used to take several major currencies off the gold standard. I suspect the next will introduce a central bank baked blockchain currency (bye bye btc). Since the last crash in 2008 the Federal reserve (the US central bank) and a few other central banks (japan, swiss) have been pouring trillions into FANG stocks as well as dropping interest rates around the world inflating the market. If they pull the money out or raise interest rates the market will drop. All media outlets (controlled by the same people) shoutout doom and goom and the average person panics and sells allowing the people who control all the money to buy up real assets like businesses, land, buildings, exc
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Any one got tips on high dividend stocks? I bought CTL at 17% lol but still lookin good
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Alteryx had a pull back before reaching 40.20, and it is at 30.85 today. While, technically, it will break its previous high of 39.21 eventually, it is too "expensive" for my taste given its fundamentals. I would stay away. I emphasize that this is due to my conservative investing strategy.

TTD has much better fundamentals than Alteryx. TTD's pull back time is approaching. After its pull-back, I decide what to do.

+1 to BB1 for sharing stock tips even though our investing strategies are very different.

(03-07-2018 10:59 PM)Denzel Wrote:  Thanks for sharing BB1.

I have been studying the chart of Alteryx. I feel like there is a good chance that there should be a pull back from/around 40.20 or before. Now, I have to study its balance sheet/income statement to see whether it is good enough for me to buy during its possible pull back (thought the chart says it should keep increasing after the pull back)

The usual disclaimer. My analysis is a probabilistic assessment based on technical analysis so the stock might pass 40.20 without a pull back. Then, I determine the next resistance level for myself. Do not buy/sell based on my analysis.
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