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"we all share the wealth we create".


Oh look its Socialism and its after my money - didn't see that one coming! I wonder what will happen in the days and weeks immediately after Labour gets into power. Part of me is giddy to find out.
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(12-25-2017 01:56 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Britain is just as much a dictatorship of unelected activist judges as USA is. Sad!

A Supreme Court judge can be removed by Parliament, though I am not aware of any time this has happened.

But still, I don't think anything of the Roe v Wade kind has happened within the last century in the UK.
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Are any of the 'red pill' British guys here making investments in accordance in hindsight with what is going on politically and economically with the U.K ?

Basically sounding mercenary here, but I believe we need to be adaptable and flexible with all this change that is happening.

My generation are completely gone in terms of drinking the post modern Kool Aid. Further to this I have no doubt that Corbyn will get in and we will consequently see an acceleration of all these factors that are contributing to the decline.
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(01-01-2018 08:16 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  Are any of the 'red pill' British guys here making investments in accordance in hindsight with what is going on politically and economically with the U.K ?

My generation are completely gone in terms of drinking the post modern Kool Aid. Further to this I have no doubt that Corbyn will get in and we will consequently see an acceleration of all these factors that are contributing to the decline.

Yes. Currently most of my income is largely Anglo-centric. I'm planning on branching out into a new area that is global: statistics and finance. There are several reasons, but the main one is I don't have any faith in the future of the economy and my industry into the future. I've been wanting to set up a small office somewhere that has low wages, like Russia, to help me with this as I've completely outgrown my ability to keep up with everything I'm doing. I've had zero interest in establishing anything here as the taxation and regulation situation just isn't worth it.

Over the last few days I've been looking into Russian courses in Kazan. I may take the plunge and GTFO.

I think many of the young middle-class are going to refuse to grow up; angry about their worthless degree and student debt, while still attached to mummy's purse strings. So many people I know are into their 30s with absolutely nothing to show for it, no plans to have anything to show for it, no family, no pension savings, no assets. These people are going further and further left when they should be going the other way. It suits them to explain their failure and misery better to do that than face reality. Corbyn 2022. I doubt he'll get to do all his bird-brain financial plans, but his party will be ready to swing the gates wide open from day one.

From my perspective, those who left school at 16 for a trade are doing better than those who went to university. The former have houses (mortgage), a wife, children, holidays. The latter have nothing.
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(01-01-2018 10:12 AM)gework Wrote:  
(01-01-2018 08:16 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  Are any of the 'red pill' British guys here making investments in accordance in hindsight with what is going on politically and economically with the U.K ?

My generation are completely gone in terms of drinking the post modern Kool Aid. Further to this I have no doubt that Corbyn will get in and we will consequently see an acceleration of all these factors that are contributing to the decline.

Yes. Currently most of my income is largely Anglo-centric. I'm planning on branching out into a new area that is global: statistics and finance. There are several reasons, but the main one is I don't have any faith in the future of the economy and my industry into the future. I've been wanting to set up a small office somewhere that has low wages, like Russia, to help me with this as I've completely outgrown my ability to keep up with everything I'm doing. I've had zero interest in establishing anything here as the taxation and regulation situation just isn't worth it.

Over the last few days I've been looking into Russian courses in Kazan. I may take the plunge and GTFO.

I think many of the young middle-class are going to refuse to grow up; angry about their worthless degree and student debt, while still attached to mummy's purse strings. So many people I know are into their 30s with absolutely nothing to show for it, no plans to have anything to show for it, no family, no pension savings, no assets. These people are going further and further left when they should be going the other way. It suits them to explain their failure and misery better to do that than face reality. Corbyn 2022. I doubt he'll get to do all his bird-brain financial plans, but his party will be ready to swing the gates wide open from day one.

From my perspective, those who left school at 16 for a trade are doing better than those who went to university. The former have houses (mortgage), a wife, children, holidays. The latter have nothing.

Yes find an environment where you can flourish. Setting up a business can be difficult however, when it comes to regulations and foreign ownership. There are some zones that are tax free however for business start ups. I believe Kazan actually may be one.

Ultimately the productive will always find a way to adapt and become successful.
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Multiculturalism is a failed experiment, they hate Britain and they don't want to integrate,


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What do you think about this new UKIP leader "Henry Bolton" relationship with a 25yo "model"?

The girl is an absolute attention whore. But this guy is an absolute shit. Tommy Robinson and Jack Buckby had a chat about it:



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Morals aside, I don't think it'll change much of the general opinion on UKIP. The party have up it's one chance of returning to any sort of prominence when Stephen Woolfe MEP failed to get his leadership application in on time and then left the party.

Bolton was a nobody on the scene before this and will forever be remembered for what he did to his family before any of his policies - because as far as the public at large are aware, he had none.

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This is our "Royal Family". Something supposed to represents traditional values:

"Ms Markle was complimented by Jessica Phillips, 23, for her outspoken views on equality, I said it was really lovely to have a feminist in the Royal Family. Gesturing to her fiancée, former actress and divorcee Markle told her back: "He's a feminist too.""

Read the article here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/...-feminist/

Meghan Markle: Prince Harry is a feminist too




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https://news.sky.com/story/live-ukip-lea...t-11218508

LIVE: Defiant UKIP leader refuses to quit.
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Here's a relevant article I just came across, it's by Nick Timothy, who was Special Advisor for Theresa May in 2010).

The debate on immigration in Britain puts GDP ahead of people
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24 AUGUST 2017 • 6:30AM

When I arrived in the Home Office with Theresa May as her adviser in 2010, we discovered that official impact assessments – the Government’s process of weighing up the pros and cons of policy – had long been skewed in favour of higher immigration. Because a larger population meant a larger economy, and the assessments assumed that was what Britain needed, they failed to consider the economic effects of immigration on a per-person basis. And they excluded costs like the impact on existing workers’ wages, infrastructure, and public services.

When we commissioned the Migration Advisory Committee to reviere these assessments, their findings surprised even us. Examining non-European immigration between 1995 and 2010, they found that for every 100 foreign-born workers employed, 23 British workers had been displaced from the labour market. The response to the report was typical of the immigration debate. Advocates of lower immigration pounced on the findings with enthusiasm. Supporters of higher immigration denigrated the report and pointed to other evidence that suited their views.

I do not pretend to know whether all immigration, added together, always displaces local workers or reduces wages. Immigrants vary from brain surgeons to semi-literate octogenarian grandmothers. They come during boom years, recessions and everything in between. And they join an already complex labour market comprising millions of people.

After reading numerous academic analyses, my conclusion is that mass immigration makes little economic difference overall. It might increase GDP, but on a per-person basis its effect is probably neutral. The OECD thinks it has close to zero fiscal effect. While there is no “lump of labour” – no fixed number of jobs in the economy – it can force some people out of work. And it can, sometimes, push down wages for low-paid workers.

In truth, the research confirms what most of us feel intuitively about mass immigration. Those of us earning high salaries benefit – in the form of cheaper plumbers and waiters in nice restaurants – but our fellow citizens with lower wages can lose out.

This is not an argument for zero immigration. Highly skilled immigrants can drive innovation and economic growth. Selective immigration can fill skills gaps. The diversity of our cities, especially London, is an intangible benefit that contributes to their dynamism and appeal. And, increasingly, families have friends and loved ones who came to Britain as migrants or whose parents or grandparents did.

But immigration needs to be controlled, because when it is not it can cause problems. The pressure it puts on the NHS might be offset by tax revenues produced by migrants, and foreign workers certainly keep the health service going. But immigration is behind more than a third of new demand for housing in England, making homes harder to come by and increasing housing costs.

Immigration and high birth rates among migrant mothers are also driving the soaring demand for school places. There are 577,000 more pupils in English schools compared to 2009, and more than 650,000 new places will be needed by 2026. That is why Government is struggling to increase per-pupil funding in real terms.

As any young family knows, these costs are real. Yet they are never factored into the Government’s impact assessments. Neither are the social reasons for controlling immigration taken into account. Perhaps this is because the very topic turns many politicians squeamish, but most members of the public see no reason for embarrassment.

This is because people value the communities they live in, and they do not want them to change rapidly, if indeed they want them to change at all. And they value the solidarity made possible by national identity and common norms.

There is nothing shameful about this. It is innate to human nature that we will do things for our compatriots that we would not do for foreigners, just as we will do things for relatives that we would not do for strangers. This solidarity is what causes us to risk our lives for one another during wartime, or pay taxes to fund services for others at times of peace.

In Britain, national identity and citizenship are civic, not ethnic. There is no national, racial or religious background that prevents somebody from making a life here and becoming British. Newcomers, however, need to adopt our common laws, rules, norms and institutions: the things that make us British. Fortunately, most migrants want to do so. They want to contribute and become full and active members of our society. But the arrival of large numbers from vastly different cultures can make that harder to achieve.

This is not an argument against immigration from different cultures. But if we are to absorb immigration in a way that maintains the values of our country – and the solidarity made possible by national identity and citizenship – then immigration needs to be controlled, and lower.
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The 'economy before anything' (as laid out above) approach is demonstrative of why neoliberal capitalism needs calling out alongside cultural marxism/postmodernism. Combined, they've created the hell we're living in. Could any of the forum's economic experts lay out a solution. It's not my area of expertise to say the least.

Edit - just to comment on the article. I don't like that phrase "British values" (or rather the way it's currently used), because all they amount to is some wishy washy notion of "tolerance" (what society calls itself "intolerant"?), "following the rule of law" (what society calls itself a place where they "do not follow the rule of law"?) etc. And they're the same values espoused by all the other western nations...so what exactly are uniquely British about them. It's, for lack of a better word, piffle.

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Lets not forget one of the biggest sleeper issues coming this year - you need real ID to view porn in the UK.

https://news.sky.com/story/porn-watchers...s-11224093

The company behind this totally won't be recording information it can sell to others, noope. its not like Pornhub itself can collect a vast amount of data it releases everysooften which gives fascinating insights into the different data sets available.

I dont want to discuss the use of porn or staying off it but it is demanded by the masses and this is one more push back over the line where a police state is fast becoming more authoritatiran.
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^^^ British porn videos are always people fucking in a taxi. What's up with that?

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(01-27-2018 05:08 PM)Kona Wrote:  ^^^ British porn videos are always people fucking in a taxi. What's up with that?

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(01-27-2018 06:55 AM)Teedub Wrote:  The 'economy before anything' (as laid out above) approach is demonstrative of why neoliberal capitalism needs calling out alongside cultural marxism/postmodernism. Combined, they've created the hell we're living in. Could any of the forum's economic experts lay out a solution. It's not my area of expertise to say the least.

I can't see a solution that is likely as all the solutions would involve changes and people taking on obligations, when all many people want is more rights. The UK central management model is unable to do anything other than slide downhill.

To briefly take the two biggest issues, you have the state pensions, which are one of the worst managed in the developed world. Private pensions are invested. If you put away £1M over your life in a private pension it will be invested and should net something like £3M on the other end. But the state pension is paid straight out of current tax income. This was set up by Labour. It's unsustainable, but it's too big too fail, so they kick the can, fiddle the knobs. The percentage of the government budget spent on pensions has been going up at 0.3% per year. At the rate they are fiddling the age you are eligible for state pension it will be 83 when you retire if you're 30 now. This isn't feasible. Currently it's 65/68. And the total percent of the government budget spent on pensions will go from 20% to 31%. The Office for National Statistics have been issuing warnings about this for years, but the politicians can't do anything without exposing the game as a complete con. The handful of vague conservatives in the fake Conservative Party don't dare say anything about this as they've learnt daring to put any conservative policies in their manifesto will lead to Corbyn.

Then take the NHS, in real (inflation adjusted terms) the amount of money spent on the NHS has gone up about 10 times in 65 years. Lots of reasons: there are more medical treatments now, people are living longer and about 1.5% of the budget is spent of treatment for foreigners who come here to get free treatment and then go home. Say anything about that and you're a racist.

Neither of these can go anywhere other than downhill, unless there is the wildcard of a vast productive economic revolution. That's not likely in a nation of people who want the government to be their mummy and daddy until death do they part.

Between the NHS and pensions, they take up 37% of the government budget. By the time we are old aged they are on trajectory to be about 50+% of the budget. There's no sign of economic growth to pay for that, so something is going to have to change - the likelihood is young people not having children to prop it up on their way to their magical disappearing pensions.

These two big social services have never been funded in a responsible, sustainable way. No one is really responsible for them. Labour jack spending up to please their infantile voters and The Conservatives try and smooth out the unsustainable mess. No one cares about them beyond them being there when they need them, just as public toilets are drenched in jots of piss. The lesson of history - the commons are treated like no one's property.

These systems require perpetually favourable demographics to continue for Labour to bribe to their voters with. Now we are in demographic decline from an economic perspective, we are being told that this social democratic model we've been sold for decades needs very high levels of immigration to continue. But nothing is being done to prune back that model. So at a likely approaching 70 million population now, these people want to put us in exactly the same position by the end of the century when the population will be around 90 million. That 90 million population will then be told it needs more immigrants to prop up the same system. This won't work. It will end at some point, particularly with a fractured society of disparate groups.

One of many problems is that adding more people into the country means more people chasing the same resources. Especially if you are bringing in low-skill people who don't add value to the state-directed economy. As it stands the average British person is a net drain on public finance. EE immigrants make less money, so long-term it's not a sustainable solution. It makes GDP higher to throw in more workers, but we've had a 12% nominal GDP contraction between 2007 and 2016. This has pushed not just real, but nominal wages lower over the last 10 years. This is hardly the immigrant boom we're being sold. But as most people are economically illiterate they can do whatever they want.

There was a similar dilemma in the 19th century. Capitalism is often blamed for terrible living conditions, but the reality is the spoils of capitalism created a society that could sustain more viable lives; and as in any favourable situation the people overshot their surplus resources and weren't able to sustain themselves as they might wish. We're going to see the same play out again. Around the beginning of the 19th C you also had the end of a gigantic increase in the welfare state and the same with illegitimate births, the hallmark of degeneracy. The free-for-all liberalism (do as thou wilt) of the 18th C led to this clusterfuck and the result was that people had to become conservative to survive. Religion came back, temperance rose...

Welfare then:

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Welfare now:

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Illegitimacy then:

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Births out of wedlock now:

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Children with no fathers in the US is about 25%, I believe, probably something similar here.

This can't go on forever.

Another big problem in Britain is colossal housing regulation. If you want to buy a house you have to pay a giant premium as a result of this. An acre of arable land is about £10,000, while an acre of building land is more in the region of £1M. This is being jacked up even higher by adding in more often low-capital people who are chasing the same small housing stock, while people are also living in smaller households.

Another issue that is totally ignored is that many nationalities of immigrants have lower incomes, lower employment rates, higher welfare rates and higher crime rates. This is all in official government figures. Until recently the employment rate for Pakistanis was less than half of native British and the average wage was about 50%, as well of much higher welfare. Though we are now being directly told that people from those countries are the exact sort of people who will keep UK services running, while we already know that they are net drains in real-time.

Britain somehow managed for 100s of years as an engine of world innovation and growth without the need for mass migration. When there is an oversupply things move, when there is an under-supply things move. We're told that if it wasn't for immigration we'd basically be over with mass requirements for labour being unfulfilled. Things would have moved to address this. Just as many things are now moving due to the increased demand for housing, increased welfare, job pressures.

There isn't a solution as I see it as too much has been centralised by the government and I don't think it's likely that the fake Conservative party will ever make any cuts to mass immigration.

But here's a some things that would make people lives better:
  • Limited high-skill immigrants, as any real country like S Korea, Japan, Singapore; no asylum seekers
  • Liberalise housing regulation so as to bring prices down 20-30%, this would need to be eased in over time as it would case mass instability if done over night
  • Modify pensions so that everyone now has to work well into their 70s to get their pension, sorry the government lied to you. And bring in a forced pension market place.
  • Same with health care, you have to pay into an invested fund over your life so you can continue to get real care and not death panneled
  • Complete overhaul of education so people are given real-world skills and confidence

But none of that will happen.
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Gework, thanks for taking the time to post that. Appreciated.


(01-27-2018 04:30 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Lets not forget one of the biggest sleeper issues coming this year - you need real ID to view porn in the UK.

https://news.sky.com/story/porn-watchers...s-11224093

The company behind this totally won't be recording information it can sell to others, noope. its not like Pornhub itself can collect a vast amount of data it releases everysooften which gives fascinating insights into the different data sets available.

I dont want to discuss the use of porn or staying off it but it is demanded by the masses and this is one more push back over the line where a police state is fast becoming more authoritatiran.

This is the first I've heard about this. Incredibly intrusive, but I can see how they've managed to push it through: "Think of the children!"

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Quote:This is the first I've heard about this. Incredibly intrusive, but I can see how they've managed to push it through: "Think of the children!"

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Well Teedub, can you approach a subject in the open by saying "I dont want to use my real ID to browse pornography" in a setting such as Question time on BBC1? Laugh
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(01-29-2018 12:37 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Well Teedub, can you approach a subject in the open by saying "I dont want to use my real ID to browse pornography" in a setting such as Question time on BBC1? Laugh

Haha I'd love to see that.
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The tolerant Left/Antifa interrupting Jacob Rees Mogg talk in Bristol:





This event has massively rocketed his popularity for replacing May.



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