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I guess the terrorists have just handed May an even bigger landslide today.

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Why do you say that? She is only slightly stronger than Corbyn on immigration/home security.
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(I don't think they really believe that.)

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I wouldn't be so fast as to discount it. May's polling numbers have cratered in the last couple of weeks, apparently: http://www.businessinsider.com/yougov-po...ats-2017-5

Quote:Theresa May faces disaster after new poll finds Corbyn slashing her majority to just 2 seats

LONDON — Theresa May risks being ousted from Downing Street after a shock new poll suggests Labour could be on course to cut her majority down to just two seats.

The YouGov poll for the Times found that the Conservatives are on 43%, just five points ahead of Labour on 38%.

At the start of the election campaign, some polls had the Tories with leads of more than 20 points.

The prime minister called the snap election last month in order to "strengthen my mandate" in Brexit negotiations.

However, if Friday's poll were repeated on election day, May would face the ignominy of having gone to the country, only to see her government's majority cut down to wafer-thin proportions.

New YouGov/Times poll:

Conservatives: 43%
Labour: 38%
Liberal Democrats: 10%
UKIP: 4%
Greens: 1%

If repeated on a universal swing on June 8th, today's poll would see Labour take eight seats from the Conservatives with May's party failing to gain any from Labour.

Today's poll also finds that public perceptions of Jeremy Corbyn have radically improved since the election campaign began. The Labour leader now has a net favourability of minus 11 compared to the minus 42 he had at the start of the campaign.

By contrast, Theresa May's ratings have plummeted since the launch of her party's manifesto and the row over the so-called "dementia tax." The prime minister now has a net favourability of minus 8 just a few points higher than Corbyn's.

The poll found some evidence that the surge in support for Corbyn and slump for May has been checked by the events of recent days.

YouGov found May's ratings improved in the days following the terrorist attack in Manchester, while Corbyn's have dipped.

The poll boost for Labour comes as the major parties resume their national election campaigns, following a three-day pause in the aftermath of the Manchester attack.

Jeremy Corbyn will this morning give a speech in central London responding to the events of the past week.

In comments that have already caused controversy, Corbyn will suggest that the government's foreign policy carries some responsibility for terror attacks at home. You can read a full preview of his speech here.

"No government can prevent every terrorist attack. If an individual is determined enough and callous enough sometimes they will get through," he will say.

"But the responsibility of government is to minimise that chance - to ensure the police have the resources they need, that our foreign policy reduces rather than increases the threat to this country and that at home we never surrender the freedoms we have won and that terrorists are so determined to take away."

The Liberal Democrats accused Corbyn of trying to seek political advantage from the attack in Manchester.

"Some political leaders have sought to politicise the events of the week, but now is not the time, and this is not the event, to seek political advantage," former Lib Dem leader Paddy Ashdown said.

"The families of victims in Manchester have a right to expect political parties to respond with restraint and sensitivity to these unpardonable crimes.

"There will be a moment when we will want to look at the policy implications of what has happened, but that should not be in the shadow of these terrible events when the nation should stand together."

Conservative security minister Ben Wallace told the BBC that Corbyn's comments were "totally inappropriate."

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May is a disaster, globalist cuck. Too bad UKIP has not made bigger inroads.

Corbyn's a red, but he seems to get the Trump treatment in the media, so he must be doing something right. He's probably a closet climate skeptic like his brother, and he's a non-interventionist in foreign policy, that's probably where the flack is coming from. He's actually closer to Trump on these two issues than all the other candidates. All this in a socialist pro-immigration package though, so there is a big downside with him as well.

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(05-28-2017 05:00 PM)911 Wrote:  May is a disaster, globalist cuck. Too bad UKIP has not made bigger inroads.

Corbyn's a red, but he seems to get the Trump treatment in the media, so he must be doing something right. He's probably a closet climate skeptic like his brother, and he's a non-interventionist in foreign policy, that's probably where the flack is coming from. He's actually closer to Trump on these two issues than all the other candidates. All this in a socialist pro-immigration package though, so there is a big downside with him as well.

The problem is that the only issue that matters for the UK, USA, and the West is immigration.
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You're looking at the issue of immigration from too narrow a lens. The immigration crisis in Europe has been fueled by the active, ongoing destabilization of countries like Syria, Iaq and Libya. Politicians like May and Macron are going to step up that destabilization process.

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I thought the Tories, despite their best efforts, were unassailable. How wrong I was.

Corbyn winning would be a disaster by whichever metric you care to use, but he isn't the worst. A Shadow Chancellor who is openly Marxist. A Shadow Home Secretary who, like her ex-lover Corbyn, has IRA sympathies and struggles with basic mathematics. And the horde of hard leftist shock troops who have targeted moderate Labour MPs.

I don't think it's because lots of people have suddenly decided that Labour's money isn't so far fetched after all. It's a shit manifesto filled with irrelevancies such as fox hunting and bad optic policies like the elderly care cap that have fucked the Tories' lead. They really should have stayed the fuck away from a microphone the past few weeks.

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Theresa May was the Home Secretary who, under her watch, saw many bad things happen and were left to fester. Now she is spouting off the typical bullshit all globalists do and then has the attitude to believe she is going to win because people like her, her policies and the Tories.

I'm afraid not Mrs May.

The Tories are eating a shit sandwich but they don't know it yet. The morons in labour are purely marxist in nature but they never give up and people do like Labour still regardless of what has been done.

Corbyns remarks on foreign policy is right and wrong at the same time. We allowed a perfectly good vacuum to breed ISIS and Al'Qaeda by removing heads of state and then aid them in destroying Syria over a pipeline for our Gulf "allies".

Now the likes of May want to stand up and call him out on being insensitive? Well when is a good time for discussing the moronic foreign policy of upending entire nation states over oil, funding ideologies and at the same time letting in hundreds of thousands of third world ghetto-ised people who are alien to our nation, our people and culture and are easily led into said ideology?

Corbyn would be horrific for the nation, as would that racist bitch Abbot but at least you know what you're getting with them - a simple bullet to the head. With May and her un-challenged Tories she can do the same stuff but pretend they're good for the economy.

Towns and cities are being turned over and these idiots are saying everying is A-ok!
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Isn't Corbyn closer to the Brexit vote than May though?



"Jeremy Corbyn will certainly appeal to working class Brexit voters in England’s north and midlands as well as Wales (aka Brexit country) who have longed for a Labour leader that puts bread and butter issues first. Corbyn is all about jobs, funding essential services and putting hospitals before banks, schools before hedge funds, wages for real people over tax-loop holes for foreign companies. This is music to the ears of a Labour base who became alienated from Labour after years of neo-liberal policies first instigated by the war criminal Tony Blair."

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Conservatives want to reduce immigration by 70%, Labour wants the single market and freedom of movement. 'nuff said.
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(05-31-2017 06:53 AM)Valentine Wrote:  Conservatives want to reduce immigration by 70%, Labour wants the single market and freedom of movement. 'nuff said.

Correct. Anytime you mention something to a Labour supporter it always comes back to money due to them wanting handouts for a 'hard days graft' and wanting state-funded benefits and assistance. Don't even bother mentioning immigration/migrants/Islam to a Labour supporter as they will use childlike whining and emotion based arguments to try and take you off the course of your well thought out argument. It is obviously never mentioned that Labour wants as many immigrants as possible as it will result in more votes for them to increase state power over time. No point in having money and wealth if the immigration situation is not sorted out first.
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(05-30-2017 12:54 PM)911 Wrote:  Isn't Corbyn closer to the Brexit vote than May though?

"Jeremy Corbyn will certainly appeal to working class Brexit voters in England’s north and midlands as well as Wales (aka Brexit country) who have longed for a Labour leader that puts bread and butter issues first. Corbyn is all about jobs, funding essential services and putting hospitals before banks, schools before hedge funds, wages for real people over tax-loop holes for foreign companies. This is music to the ears of a Labour base who became alienated from Labour after years of neo-liberal policies first instigated by the war criminal Tony Blair."

http://theduran.com/britains-next-prime-...my-corbyn/

Corbyn impressed me on QT and he's incredibly principled, I like him as a bloke. He's been anti-EU most of his career but had to backtrack as the official Labour policy was remain. He's a 'reluctant remainer' in the truest sense. Dianne Abbot is terrible though, Corbyn should have got rid of her.

I lean left on quite a lot of economic issues, and support a couple of Corbyn's ideas like renationalising the railways, but am most likely 'far right' when it comes to things like Islam—which for me, is the defining issue of the modern age.

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(05-30-2017 12:54 PM)911 Wrote:  Isn't Corbyn closer to the Brexit vote than May though?



"Jeremy Corbyn will certainly appeal to working class Brexit voters in England’s north and midlands as well as Wales (aka Brexit country) who have longed for a Labour leader that puts bread and butter issues first. Corbyn is all about jobs, funding essential services and putting hospitals before banks, schools before hedge funds, wages for real people over tax-loop holes for foreign companies. This is music to the ears of a Labour base who became alienated from Labour after years of neo-liberal policies first instigated by the war criminal Tony Blair."

http://theduran.com/britains-next-prime-...my-corbyn/

He doesn't go against the grain in terms of political correctness and neo liberalism/cultural marxism etc. I think he will allow the social justice warriors to go full throttle with their various schemes and ploys. It would be interesting to see how he threatens the international elites who now make England their home. They have a lot of investments, even from within our media, if you look at the evening standard etc.
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Yes I agree to an extent Teedub in that he is principled, it's just I am in very strong disagreement with those principles. Can you not see that renationalising the railways would cost a lot of money, and would reduce the quality of the service (which I will say is already quite low).

I wasn't alive when the railways were publicly owned but from what I've heard it was a pretty awful service.
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Interesting article on railways https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/regulatio...way-system

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In terms of Jeremy Corbyn being principled. I also agree, he's sincere and a nice man.

But I agree with 5% of his ideology, and think his manifesto is a letter to Santa. He's economically illiterate and twenty times worse than the cuckservatives on national security.

I think him, Dianne Abbot and Emily Thornberry would be an absolute disaster for the UK. It would be beyond Justin Trudeau levels of social justice and leftist suicide.

I'll celebrate a Tory win, even if they are shit themselves
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(06-04-2017 03:45 AM)britchard Wrote:  Yes I agree to an extent Teedub in that he is principled, it's just I am in very strong disagreement with those principles. Can you not see that renationalising the railways would cost a lot of money, and would reduce the quality of the service (which I will say is already quite low).

I wasn't alive when the railways were publicly owned but from what I've heard it was a pretty awful service.

We already subsidise the rail companies via taxation, and pay for the maintenance of the actual rails themselves...and on top of that we have to buy a ticket, therefore it's currently a ripoff. Germany's railways/train companies are completely state owned and are fantastic, and France's are significantly nationalised are also really good.

(06-04-2017 04:27 AM)LeightonBlackstock Wrote:  Interesting article on railways https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/regulatio...way-system

I'm for keeping it private

In terms of Jeremy Corbyn being principled. I also agree, he's sincere and a nice man.

But I agree with 5% of his ideology, and think his manifesto is a letter to Santa. He's economically illiterate and twenty times worse than the cuckservatives on national security.

I think him, Dianne Abbot and Emily Thornberry would be an absolute disaster for the UK. It would be beyond Justin Trudeau levels of social justice and leftist suicide.

I'll celebrate a Tory win, even if they are shit themselves

Even if he raised corporation tax to the percentage he wants to, it would still be lower than France, Germany, the USA etc. They're not going to relocate to Nigeria or whatever. They'll just have to pay more tax, they won't leave London.

I find this obsession with national security to be a bit absurd if you're referring to the nuclear thing (which, of course, you may not be). Why, all of a sudden, are people pushing for someone to be carefree in regards to 'pushing the button'. He also wants to build more ships for the navy and increase police funding.

Dianne Abbot and Thornbury are awful, I agree.

Also, to quote my mate:

Quote:"We will stop the undercutting that goes on by importation of low paid workers."

Finally, a Labour leader who understands that left wing economics and mass immigration do not go hand in hand. People's concerns are legitimate. Corbyn should stress this point.

If anything, I think SJW shit would die down if he won, because they think he's "their guy"...when he couldn't give two fucks about tranny bathrooms and gender pronouns.

I'm not saying I'm an all out supporter, I'm just saying I'm receptive to ideas that aren't considered 'correct' on the forum.

If I'm honest, I couldn't care less who wins really, as the Islam issue is the only thing that matters in 2017 and the coming years.

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Would Corbin have another referendum on Brexit? Or is is basically settled now no matter who wins?
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(06-04-2017 01:13 PM)komatiite Wrote:  Would Corbin have another referendum on Brexit? Or is is basically settled now no matter who wins?

May already invoked article 50, so I think it's definitive.
I think Corbyn will make a shitty deal. There lots of leftards happy with the idea of another referendum.
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I would not be surprised if Theresa May (a hard remoaner) fucked up badly so that she could not take the blame for a no-negotiation of brexit and the UK would remain.
A political-kamikaze move:"I lost the election (and probably leadership) but my cause won."
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The conservatives have fucked this election up harder than they could ever have, outside of growing beards and calling themselves the Islamic Brotherhood.

They have made the election about Theresa May, not the policies, not the conservatives, just her. Look at Labour and its based on policy and the greater good of what socialists do without the fuck ups. All people are seeing from the Tories is "mememe, look at me! I'm Theresa May, a woman and you should vote for me!"

How pathetic could your entire campaign be by putting her name at the forefront of everything. They have big banners and posters with her name and no sign of The Conservatives. Its asking for trouble and she is lucky Labour are like spoiled milk to a lot of people because if she were hoping for a big mandate from the people she isn't going to get one, or at least not as big a win as she'd thought.

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We're into an extremely frightening 48 hours. Labour have a genuine shot at pulling something off here if the polls are even halfway accurate. The Conservative capacity for self-sabotage is really something to be marveled at. In 2010 Cameron managed to fuck up one of the clearest and most straightforward runs to head office any politician could have dreamed of. Here again, in 2017, May and her lot have done the same thing.

I shall be holding my nose and voting for the local Tory, I think, much as it would pain me to become a Tory voter for the first time in my life. My local Tory MP was a remainer, so it stings twice as much. As a small business owner though, the prospect of Corbyn getting into power is incredibly frightening, and could seriously undermine what I've spent all of my working life trying to build.
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I'm with H1N1 on this

I don't think anyone should be celebrating a Tory victory with drunk partying (like I did for Brexit and Trump). She's not 'one of us', and neither are the Tories.

However, I vote based on culture. The prospect of five years of hard-left, Corbanista-inspired social justice from the frappaccino-drinking, quinoa-eating, bohemian heartlands in London makes me a hard Tory for Thursday only.

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Why is UKIP such a wreck that no one would ever vote for them? Is Nigel Farage the only Brit around with above-average charisma or what?

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