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What no one discusses is that China needs to be careful that it does not hurt its number one customer's economy to the point that they scare the Holy BeJeez er ah um I mean Buddha out of Japan and Korea.

Japan knows the Chinese Dragon is just biding its time for payback for the Rape of Nanking and Japanese Army brutality in China before and during the Great Patriotic War. Japanese are not the types to bend over and be eradicated. Low Tech Pakistan and NoKors have Nukes - as well as Israel using advanced stealth Jet Fighters as mobile delivery systems. Do we really think that Japan has not developed its own Israeli Style Nukes to secretly defend itself in a worst-case scenario?

We had subrocs when I first was assigned to Nuke Boats - short range Ballistic Nuke Depth Charges with a range of 60+/- Miles. The warheads were small about the size of a US or Rugby Football pointed on one end and flat on the other. The idea was if we somehow lost an enemy Nuclear Ballistic Missile Submarine within launch range of the US Coastline or strategic islands (Hawaii/Guam etc) because the enemy found an Ocean Sound thermal layer to hide in but was still within 40 to 60 miles of our last known good firing solution - as a last resort we could lob a subroc at them. Problem was it was a suicide weapon as water is hydraulic and does not compress and transfers the underwater blast energy much faster and farther than an air blast - the US Sub Force finally retired them because use of a subroc would likely create an underwater shockwave that not only would destroy most enemy subs and surface vessels within the effective underwater blast range but also take out the US Nuke Boat that launched it.

We now have ultra advanced super miniaturized supercomputer tech in the latest Samsung, Google, Apple, LG, HTC, etc etc smartphones... Attach that tech with MilSpec new precise GPS to a Drone with 2,000 Mile flight range (Think nuclear batteries instead of typical rechargeables) with Tennis Ball Size Warheads on Swarm Capable Drones about 1 meter in diameter.

Now swarm 100,000 of these AI micro nuke drones in coordinated waves from South Korea and Japan over the South China sea towards Communist Freaking Red Chinese Military and Industrial Targets with thousands of the drones able to hover and be recalled or drop their payloads into marshes, rice paddies, fields and forests as well as controlled landings in industrial factories - and - then an ultimatum is delivered to the CFRC regime to BTFO and be cooperative or a Satellite feed to the AI Smart Swarm net detonates the swam for maximum effect.

Sound like Science fiction? Could Easily deploy a swarm from any US aircraft carrier in addition to mainland Japan and South Korea. Anti Ballistic Missile Space-based defenses and Hypersonic anti-ship missiles would be useless against such a vast swarm of micro nukes...

China needs to think about the unintended consequences of its Belt and Road Initiatives Loan Shark Diplomacy efforts and slow its rapacious Global roll before Japan and South Korea break free of their US lead constraints.

The USA would be happy if China would abide by WTO trade rules and license US Advancements in Intellectual Property in a win-win manner instead of reverse engineering and stealing it. The USA is not the nearest threat that China needs to be concerned with - our Carrier task forces are basically a diversionary distraction from Japan and South Korea.

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(05-29-2019 12:17 PM)Arado Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 10:56 AM)FilipSRB Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 09:46 AM)Arado Wrote:  Are you aware of the atrocities that the Chinese government has perpetrated against its own people? Do you really think if they were the #1 superpower they wouldn't step on any foreigners that got in the way of their goals? At least the US has Christian ideals and the American people believe in human rights and the value of individual lives.

Cluster bombs, depleted uranium, bombing of bridges in the town center in broad daylight, bombing on Christian holidays including Easter, bombing civilian trains with passengers etc.

All against a Christian nation twenty years ago. All for creating a mafia/war criminal ruled puppet Muslim statelet in Europe. Those are some strong Christian and human rights ideals right there.

(05-29-2019 10:22 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Jordan

Bruh.....as you typed that, we probably droned some Iraqi/Afghani wedding. Here in the US, we TALK a big game about "human rights", but our track record is awful.

That isn't a defense of China. As I've stated before, BOTH suck. But the world cannot allow US hegemony any longer, as it is evident that our government is sociopathic. That's why you're seeing so much resistance.

No one is going to deny that the US has done some really messed up stuff in its history and there are policies now that I strongly disagree with.

We talk a big game about human rights, and our record doesn't match our rhetoric. But the Chinese don't even talk about human rights, let alone respect it. In that case, things can get MUCH worse. Have you heard of the great leap forward and the cultural revolution?

You have to look at the big picture and the wide scope of human history. This period of US hegemony has been quite peaceful and prosperous for the average world citizen, even if some Iraqis and Afghanis and citizens of other countries that haven't bent the knee disagree. Imagine if Japan or Nazi Germany won WW2, or if the Soviets won the cold war. In that case we're not just talking about instigating civil war or toppling governments or drone bombing a few unlucky civilians, we're talking about mass annihilation and enslavement of peoples.

Point being, I don't think this is the worst that things can get. Human nature deep down is pretty evil, and ANY country that has the amount of unilateral power that the US has/had is going to abuse it. Chinese do not believe in equality - do you think they'll have any hesitation to stamp out non-Chinese that stand in their way of acquiring more resources or wealth? Are you so sure that a world without the US acting as the policeman would be better off?

Just a few things:

1: The Nazis and Soviets are all gone while the Japanese are a non-threat. No one here is seriously shilling for them anyway.

2: Human Rights. Seriously???

Human Rights is literally the lamest and most faked out thing there arguably is in today's world. According to the US State Department and the West in general, human rights are lame things like anal-sex, muslim wellbeing and migrant/african wellbeing.

One could go on forever about the absurdity and moral hollowness of these so called "human rights" but enough should be said by the fact that the populations of the USA and West Europe themselves are seriously opposed to the human rights of muslims/migrants let alone where the concept of "human rights" like anal-sex is unpopular elsewhere in the world ...

3: "This period of US hegemony has been quite peaceful and prosperous for the average world citizen"

Let's dissect this for a bit.

There are a lot of things that we could look at in the past behavior of the USA that clearly and obviously contradict this but lets take a look at the present instead.

You are literally trying to lecture everyone else here about the moral superiority, integrity, and legitimacy of the USA to be a uni-polar power instead of China, WHILE your country's elites are as of writing, pushing to start the biggest war since WW2!!!

When i mean the biggest war since WW2 i'm referring to the potentially upcoming US invasion of Iran. This war would literally be the largest war in the world ever since WW2 with the greatest amount of violence and loss of life ever since then. It could even lead to WW3 ...

You can refer to this thread here for more information on that:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-42661.html

Don't you realize how morally bankrupt and hypocritical the behavior of your country and its political elites is?

Doesn't it strike you as even slightly hypocritical or for that matter bizarre, to even say a word of protest against China when your country is currently behaving the way it is?

Frankly, nothing i've come across in any of the arguments in this thread convinces me in any way that the USA and its political elites are morally superior or more legitimate than China's in any way, shape or form to rule the world ...

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(05-29-2019 02:58 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  Japan knows the Chinese Dragon is just biding its time for payback for the Rape of Nanking and Japanese Army brutality in China before and during the Great Patriotic War. Japanese are not the types to bend over and be eradicated. Low Tech Pakistan and NoKors have Nukes - as well as Israel using advanced stealth Jet Fighters as mobile delivery systems. Do we really think that Japan has not developed its own Israeli Style Nukes to secretly defend itself in a worst-case scenario?

...

China needs to think about the unintended consequences of its Belt and Road Initiatives Loan Shark Diplomacy efforts and slow its rapacious Global roll before Japan and South Korea break free of their US lead constraints.

The USA would be happy if China would abide by WTO trade rules and license US Advancements in Intellectual Property in a win-win manner instead of reverse engineering and stealing it. The USA is not the nearest threat that China needs to be concerned with - our Carrier task forces are basically a diversionary distraction from Japan and South Korea.

Most Chinese people don't care about Japan, China's economy is already 3-4 times bigger, and will be 6-8 times bigger in a few decades. Whatever the Japs did in Manchuria and Nanjing 70 years ago, the bodycount from Mao's commies was much, much larger.

The average Chinese guy is pretty grateful to its government for making a U-turn from communism and building them up into the world's greatest industrial power, and soon enough, the richest country in the world. Every generation of Chinese people has been more prosperous and developed than its parents', and that is going to be true looking forward.

The only thing that could jeopardize this and set them back into 20th century misery is if China got drawn into a vast world war, at a time when it has not yet reached its full technological and economic potential. That's why China has been staying out of aggressive military interventionism and confining its military to its backyard.

I think Koreans have a lot more cultural beef with Japan than the Chinese do, because they're closer geographically, and they're smaller. But here again they are beating them economically, with Samsung destroying Sony and Hyundai and Kia taking market share from Toyota and Honda. They don't dream of a nuclear war or any kind of a war with Japan. Those war scenarios are pure fantasy straight out of a Dr. Strangelove mindset.

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(05-29-2019 11:55 PM)KnjazMihailo Wrote:  Just a few things:

1: The Nazis and Soviets are all gone while the Japanese are a non-threat. No one here is seriously shilling for them anyway.

2: Human Rights. Seriously???

Human Rights is literally the lamest and most faked out thing there arguably is in today's world. According to the US State Department and the West in general, human rights are lame things like anal-sex, muslim wellbeing and migrant/african wellbeing.

One could go on forever about the absurdity and moral hollowness of these so called "human rights" but enough should be said by the fact that the populations of the USA and West Europe themselves are seriously opposed to the human rights of muslims/migrants let alone where the concept of "human rights" like anal-sex is unpopular elsewhere in the world ...

3: "This period of US hegemony has been quite peaceful and prosperous for the average world citizen"

Let's dissect this for a bit.

There are a lot of things that we could look at in the past behavior of the USA that clearly and obviously contradict this but lets take a look at the present instead.

You are literally trying to lecture everyone else here about the moral superiority, integrity, and legitimacy of the USA to be a uni-polar power instead of China, WHILE your country's elites are as of writing, pushing to start the biggest war since WW2!!!

When i mean the biggest war since WW2 i'm referring to the potentially upcoming US invasion of Iran. This war would literally be the largest war in the world ever since WW2 with the greatest amount of violence and loss of life ever since then. It could even lead to WW3 ...

You can refer to this thread here for more information on that:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-42661.html

Don't you realize how morally bankrupt and hypocritical the behavior of your country and its political elites is?

Doesn't it strike you as even slightly hypocritical or for that matter bizarre, to even say a word of protest against China when your country is currently behaving the way it is?

Frankly, nothing i've come across in any of the arguments in this thread convinces me in any way that the USA and its political elites are morally superior or more legitimate than China's in any way, shape or form to rule the world ...

Again, as I mentioned above - I know the US doesn't measure up to our rhetoric on human rights and have done/are doing some nasty stuff. And of course no one here wants war with Iran. The current era of pushing SJW stuff abroad is pretty recent so can't take it as given.

However, how do you KNOW that China won't be worse? Given the mass violence and butchery in their recent history, is there any evidence that they will be happy to let other countries live and let live even though those same countries have resources and land that China covets?

Ultimately, this is all speculation. We don't know how China will behave as a superpower, assuming there's no collapse or war in the meantime that will thwart things.

However, we have to look to history as a guide, and that means looking at the major conflicts of the last 100 years and speculating about what would have happened if things turned out differently - that's why I mentioned the Nazis, Soviets, and Japanese. We can also look to previous hegemons in history (British Empire, Mongols, Roman Empire, Persian Empire, caliphates, Spanish Empire, etc) and they all had plenty of oppression and victims.

There is no perfect world power. Your argument is solely critiquing the US without looking at what else is out there.

Be careful what you wish for. Once China truly emerges it will be too late to try and keep them down.
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(05-29-2019 11:55 PM)KnjazMihailo Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 12:17 PM)Arado Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 10:56 AM)FilipSRB Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 09:46 AM)Arado Wrote:  Are you aware of the atrocities that the Chinese government has perpetrated against its own people? Do you really think if they were the #1 superpower they wouldn't step on any foreigners that got in the way of their goals? At least the US has Christian ideals and the American people believe in human rights and the value of individual lives.

Cluster bombs, depleted uranium, bombing of bridges in the town center in broad daylight, bombing on Christian holidays including Easter, bombing civilian trains with passengers etc.

All against a Christian nation twenty years ago. All for creating a mafia/war criminal ruled puppet Muslim statelet in Europe. Those are some strong Christian and human rights ideals right there.

(05-29-2019 10:22 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Jordan

Bruh.....as you typed that, we probably droned some Iraqi/Afghani wedding. Here in the US, we TALK a big game about "human rights", but our track record is awful.

That isn't a defense of China. As I've stated before, BOTH suck. But the world cannot allow US hegemony any longer, as it is evident that our government is sociopathic. That's why you're seeing so much resistance.

No one is going to deny that the US has done some really messed up stuff in its history and there are policies now that I strongly disagree with.

We talk a big game about human rights, and our record doesn't match our rhetoric. But the Chinese don't even talk about human rights, let alone respect it. In that case, things can get MUCH worse. Have you heard of the great leap forward and the cultural revolution?

You have to look at the big picture and the wide scope of human history. This period of US hegemony has been quite peaceful and prosperous for the average world citizen, even if some Iraqis and Afghanis and citizens of other countries that haven't bent the knee disagree. Imagine if Japan or Nazi Germany won WW2, or if the Soviets won the cold war. In that case we're not just talking about instigating civil war or toppling governments or drone bombing a few unlucky civilians, we're talking about mass annihilation and enslavement of peoples.

Point being, I don't think this is the worst that things can get. Human nature deep down is pretty evil, and ANY country that has the amount of unilateral power that the US has/had is going to abuse it. Chinese do not believe in equality - do you think they'll have any hesitation to stamp out non-Chinese that stand in their way of acquiring more resources or wealth? Are you so sure that a world without the US acting as the policeman would be better off?

Just a few things:

1: The Nazis and Soviets are all gone while the Japanese are a non-threat. No one here is seriously shilling for them anyway.

2: Human Rights. Seriously???

Human Rights is literally the lamest and most faked out thing there arguably is in today's world. According to the US State Department and the West in general, human rights are lame things like anal-sex, muslim wellbeing and migrant/african wellbeing.

One could go on forever about the absurdity and moral hollowness of these so called "human rights" but enough should be said by the fact that the populations of the USA and West Europe themselves are seriously opposed to the human rights of muslims/migrants let alone where the concept of "human rights" like anal-sex is unpopular elsewhere in the world ...

3: "This period of US hegemony has been quite peaceful and prosperous for the average world citizen"

Let's dissect this for a bit.

There are a lot of things that we could look at in the past behavior of the USA that clearly and obviously contradict this but lets take a look at the present instead.

You are literally trying to lecture everyone else here about the moral superiority, integrity, and legitimacy of the USA to be a uni-polar power instead of China, WHILE your country's elites are as of writing, pushing to start the biggest war since WW2!!!

When i mean the biggest war since WW2 i'm referring to the potentially upcoming US invasion of Iran. This war would literally be the largest war in the world ever since WW2 with the greatest amount of violence and loss of life ever since then. It could even lead to WW3 ...

You can refer to this thread here for more information on that:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-42661.html

Don't you realize how morally bankrupt and hypocritical the behavior of your country and its political elites is?

Doesn't it strike you as even slightly hypocritical or for that matter bizarre, to even say a word of protest against China when your country is currently behaving the way it is?

Frankly, nothing i've come across in any of the arguments in this thread convinces me in any way that the USA and its political elites are morally superior or more legitimate than China's in any way, shape or form to rule the world ...

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(05-30-2019 02:59 PM)Arado Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 11:55 PM)KnjazMihailo Wrote:  Just a few things:

1: The Nazis and Soviets are all gone while the Japanese are a non-threat. No one here is seriously shilling for them anyway.

2: Human Rights. Seriously???

Human Rights is literally the lamest and most faked out thing there arguably is in today's world. According to the US State Department and the West in general, human rights are lame things like anal-sex, muslim wellbeing and migrant/african wellbeing.

One could go on forever about the absurdity and moral hollowness of these so called "human rights" but enough should be said by the fact that the populations of the USA and West Europe themselves are seriously opposed to the human rights of muslims/migrants let alone where the concept of "human rights" like anal-sex is unpopular elsewhere in the world ...

3: "This period of US hegemony has been quite peaceful and prosperous for the average world citizen"

Let's dissect this for a bit.

There are a lot of things that we could look at in the past behavior of the USA that clearly and obviously contradict this but lets take a look at the present instead.

You are literally trying to lecture everyone else here about the moral superiority, integrity, and legitimacy of the USA to be a uni-polar power instead of China, WHILE your country's elites are as of writing, pushing to start the biggest war since WW2!!!

When i mean the biggest war since WW2 i'm referring to the potentially upcoming US invasion of Iran. This war would literally be the largest war in the world ever since WW2 with the greatest amount of violence and loss of life ever since then. It could even lead to WW3 ...

You can refer to this thread here for more information on that:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-42661.html

Don't you realize how morally bankrupt and hypocritical the behavior of your country and its political elites is?

Doesn't it strike you as even slightly hypocritical or for that matter bizarre, to even say a word of protest against China when your country is currently behaving the way it is?

Frankly, nothing i've come across in any of the arguments in this thread convinces me in any way that the USA and its political elites are morally superior or more legitimate than China's in any way, shape or form to rule the world ...

Again, as I mentioned above - I know the US doesn't measure up to our rhetoric on human rights and have done/are doing some nasty stuff. And of course no one here wants war with Iran. The current era of pushing SJW stuff abroad is pretty recent so can't take it as given.

However, how do you KNOW that China won't be worse? Given the mass violence and butchery in their recent history, is there any evidence that they will be happy to let other countries live and let live even though those same countries have resources and land that China covets?

Ultimately, this is all speculation. We don't know how China will behave as a superpower, assuming there's no collapse or war in the meantime that will thwart things.

However, we have to look to history as a guide, and that means looking at the major conflicts of the last 100 years and speculating about what would have happened if things turned out differently - that's why I mentioned the Nazis, Soviets, and Japanese. We can also look to previous hegemons in history (British Empire, Mongols, Roman Empire, Persian Empire, caliphates, Spanish Empire, etc) and they all had plenty of oppression and victims.

There is no perfect world power. Your argument is solely critiquing the US without looking at what else is out there.

Be careful what you wish for. Once China truly emerges it will be too late to try and keep them down.

"I know the US doesn't measure up to our rhetoric on human rights".

It shouldn't even have any rhetoric on human rights. Literally one of your best diplomats and political geniuses, George F Kennan, said that the US government should, "withdraw from its public advocacy of democracy and human rights".

Both the US and the world would be far better off if America adopted a realist foreign policy instead of this bizarre world conquest and globo-homo NWO agenda. Its understandable that Americans don't like the feeling of backing down from the international scene because they think it would be a loss of prestige and pride to withdraw their military and so on from half the planet but they would be much better off if they did so. For all the talk about the power of the US military, what good is it if it can't even be used to defend the demographic and territorial integrity of the USA from a bunch of Hispanic and other illegals?

Since you insist upon looking at the past history of China, namely things like the Cultural Revolution, its important to note that it only happened inside of China. Why should i care about the Chinese "mistreating" each other? What business does anyone have concerning themselves with China's internal affairs? Its not like they're going to change any of their policies anyway regardless of how hard George Soros or whoever else screeches on about how China is "authoritarian" or whatever.

Also, from their past when looked at in total from before the 20th century, its pretty clear that when China rallies itself and becomes a dominant regional power, besides demanding tribute in the form of economic payments or whatever and intervening in the affairs of neighboring countries, the Chinese very much like to keep to themselves and their own business. Take a look at the Ming Dynasty and many other periods when China had strong and powerful monarchies.

While its true that China has invaded Vietnam before which is questionable, China's behavior in the East Asia region has been historically far less aggressive and violent than that of other nations such as Mongolia and Japan. After all, how many times has China invaded Japan before? 0. What about the other way around?

When taking a look at Chinese history its also quite easy and convenient for Westerners to focus on Mao Zedong and the Cultural Revolution while ignoring the 19th century and the 100 years of humiliation that the Chinese had to endure from the West.

Things like the British literally trying to enslave China into a nation of drug addicts in the Opium Wars and all the Western powers that are currently lecturing China about human rights and democracy, literally aimed to carve China up among themselves. They also murdered hundreds and thousands of Chinese when crushing things like the Boxer Uprising.

Of course, since we're concerned with the USA v China here, its important to clarify that the USA participated in all this against China in the 19th and 20th centuries, even if it wasn't to the extent of the other powers.

Those are extremely convenient and easy things for Westerners to ignore, but they only serve as proof of the moral legitimacy of China's position.

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Another deeper aspect of Chinese history that few people understand is that Mao was a globalist deep state product, groomed and raised by the Skull and Bones/Yale network in China. He maintained a financial lifeline with the Rothschilds and Rockefellers through his inner circle with people like Israel Epstein and Sydney Shapiro, just like the Soviets did, with people like the Kochs and Armand Hammer. Shapiro, who was in charge of Mao's ideology and propaganda, was the main author of Mao's Little Red Book.

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Bertrand Russell, a leading British globalist, wrote in his book "the Problem with China" in 1920 that the old colonial model had to be changed, and that an organic collectivist socialist government would be better in implementing their goals for China, such as the eradication of traditional culture. A colonial power could not have done that. it would have encountered national resistance.

You see that same kind of agenda through ISIS for example in the mideast, another astroturfed bunch of radical zealots that targeted and destroyed national treasures like ancient Palmyra in Syria.

Unbridled communism is a globalist project, Mao implemented some of the main NWO directives, like the destruction of traditional culture, of their national heritage and of moral standards. Traditional chinese culture is anything but communist.

The globalists oversaw the weakening of the US and W. Europe with the transfer of our industrial base to China. They got into the action from the ground level and made a lot of money, but the main goal was to gut the prosperous middle classes that they fear and couldn't effectively control without induced economic precariousness.

Basically, US foreign policy has been dictated by those forces, while it seems that China might be gradually weaning itself from them. There is a stark contrast for example in the entertainment industry in the US and China. Hollywood is sinking to ever lower moral degeneracy, while China has been investing billions into lavish productions of hugely popular epic historic sagas that glorify Chinese history and morals, with sweeping biopics of national heroes. There are no movies about the life and times of George Washington. Hollywood instead glorifies figures like child predators Alfred Kinsey and Harvey Milk in highly dubious biopic productions.

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(05-31-2019 11:23 AM)911 Wrote:  Another deeper aspect of Chinese history that few people understand is that Mao was a globalist deep state product, groomed and raised by the Skull and Bones/Yale network in China. He maintained a financial lifeline with the Rothschilds and Rockefellers through his inner circle with people like Israel Epstein and Sydney Shapiro, just like the Soviets did, with people like the Kochs and Armand Hammer. Shapiro, who was in charge of Mao's ideology and propaganda, was the main author of Mao's Little Red Book.

[Image: 399705_278978495549102_77256496_n.jpg]

Bertrand Russell, a leading British globalist, wrote in his book "the Problem with China" in 1920 that the old colonial model had to be changed, and that an organic collectivist socialist government would be better in implementing their goals for China, such as the eradication of traditional culture. A colonial power could not have done that. it would have encountered national resistance.

You see that same kind of agenda through ISIS for example in the mideast, another astroturfed bunch of radical zealots that targeted and destroyed national treasures like ancient Palmyra in Syria.

Unbridled communism is a globalist project, Mao implemented some of the main NWO directives, like the destruction of traditional culture, of their national heritage and of moral standards. Traditional chinese culture is anything but communist.

The globalists oversaw the weakening of the US and W. Europe with the transfer of our industrial base to China. They got into the action from the ground level and made a lot of money, but the main goal was to gut the prosperous middle classes that they fear and couldn't effectively control without induced economic precariousness.

Basically, US foreign policy has been dictated by those forces, while it seems that China might be gradually weaning itself from them. There is a stark contrast for example in the entertainment industry in the US and China. Hollywood is sinking to ever lower moral degeneracy, while China has been investing billions into lavish productions of hugely popular epic historic sagas that glorify Chinese history and morals, with sweeping biopics of national heroes. There are no movies about the life and times of George Washington. Hollywood instead glorifies figures like child predators Alfred Kinsey and Harvey Milk in highly dubious biopic productions.

This is all plausible as its obvious that after Mao's death China's political elites have slowly tried to consolidate their power to distance themselves from the "globalists". Its also absolutely true that the current behavior of China's government is strongly ethno-nationalist despite the official communism label (Same for North Korea, just different economic situation).

My only question though is, how exactly did the Skull and Bones/Yale society groom Mao?

I remember thinking that Mao was Oxford educated or something and they got him there, but since he never left China, its really interesting to know how they recruited him.

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As the Ying and Yang Symbol depicts the constant cycle of change between light and darkness, good and evil, the masculine and feminine... the Chinese have hit peak predatory Yang energy and will now watch as the world turns against them...

Is the Global Tide Turning Against China? | Clive Hamilton (An Australian Patriot's Point of View).





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Top 5 Trade Promises China Has Broken | US China Trade War | China Uncensored




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(05-29-2019 02:58 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  Japan knows the Chinese Dragon is just biding its time for payback for the Rape of Nanking and Japanese Army brutality in China before and during the Great Patriotic War. Japanese are not the types to bend over and be eradicated. Low Tech Pakistan and NoKors have Nukes - as well as Israel using advanced stealth Jet Fighters as mobile delivery systems. Do we really think that Japan has not developed its own Israeli Style Nukes to secretly defend itself in a worst-case scenario?

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China needs to think about the unintended consequences of its Belt and Road Initiatives Loan Shark Diplomacy efforts and slow its rapacious Global roll before Japan and South Korea break free of their US lead constraints.

The USA would be happy if China would abide by WTO trade rules and license US Advancements in Intellectual Property in a win-win manner instead of reverse engineering and stealing it. The USA is not the nearest threat that China needs to be concerned with - our Carrier task forces are basically a diversionary distraction from Japan and South Korea.

Most Chinese people don't care about Japan, China's economy is already 3-4 times bigger, and will be 6-8 times bigger in a few decades. Whatever the Japs did in Manchuria and Nanjing 70 years ago, the bodycount from Mao's commies was much, much larger.

The average Chinese guy is pretty grateful to its government for making a U-turn from communism and building them up into the world's greatest industrial power, and soon enough, the richest country in the world. Every generation of Chinese people has been more prosperous and developed than its parents', and that is going to be true looking forward.

The only thing that could jeopardize this and set them back into 20th century misery is if China got drawn into a vast world war, at a time when it has not yet reached its full technological and economic potential. That's why China has been staying out of aggressive military interventionism and confining its military to its backyard.

I think Koreans have a lot more cultural beef with Japan than the Chinese do, because they're closer geographically, and they're smaller. But here again they are beating them economically, with Samsung destroying Sony and Hyundai and Kia taking market share from Toyota and Honda. They don't dream of a nuclear war or any kind of a war with Japan. Those war scenarios are pure fantasy straight out of a Dr. Strangelove mindset.

If you Google Spratley islands conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands_dispute

You will discover that the Chinese, in fact, eventually launched a massive boycott of all products and things Japanese even though Japanese products are often the highest quality in the world. The Chinese do have long memories.

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China hates Japan. Not just the CCP, average Chinese people hate the Japanese. To this day they are trying to get the Japanese government to apologize for Nanking.
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If the Chinese hate Japan so much, how can you explain that Chinese tourist volume to Japan is on track to break 10 million this year? This puts the Mainland Chinese as the single largest group of tourists by far in Japan, many of whom are return visitors.

Japan is as of now the single most well liked foreign country among middle class Chinese under 35.

No Chinese ever think of going to Pakistan and Chinese tourists in Russia are almost exclusively over 50 years old.
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Both can be true at the same time.

Chinese people have weird programming. Every year there are several anti Japanese, country wide events. Rape of Nanking has a loud air horn that gets sounded for a long time every year on the anniversary is one of them. I saw students sing anti Japanese songs every year in large groups.

But they love Japanese kitsch. Japanese food. Guys love Japanese porn. Etc. long list.

Chinese programming runs deep but so does materialism through advertising. Two sets of brainwashing happening simultaneously.

They show themselves in different ways.

If you asked those chinese tourists who went to Japan what they thought of Japanese people on the Rape of Nanjing anniversary it would be different than while in Japan shopping in Tokyo.
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(06-01-2019 04:19 PM)Aquarius Wrote:  If the Chinese hate Japan so much, how can you explain that Chinese tourist volume to Japan is on track to break 10 million this year? This puts the Mainland Chinese as the single largest group of tourists by far in Japan, many of whom are return visitors.

Japan is as of now the single most well liked foreign country among middle class Chinese under 35.

No Chinese ever think of going to Pakistan and Chinese tourists in Russia are almost exclusively over 50 years old.

It isn't mutually exclusive.

The English hate the French, but love their wines. The French hate the Germans, but love their cars.

Stop thinking in black and white.

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There is some cultural aversion and historic beef between China and Japan, but I think they're way beyond going to war over 1938 Nanjing, a massive lose-lose. As well there are no serious territorial disputes between the two countries, the Senkaku aren't quite as bad as the Kuril Islands dispute between Japan and Russia, or that between China and a bunch of its ASEAN neighbors over the Spratlys and S. China Sea.

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Really good NYT article today about Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao (Mitch's McConnell's wife) and her family's deep business ties in China.

Nationalists have talked about her and Mitch for years and their conflicts of interest.

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The Chinese trade war, so-called, is the Brexit of the world. Peoples blinkers are on and are blaming economic problems on it, like the economic issues we're facing in the UK - most of it is to do with brexit it seems.

The global economy has been facing problems before all of this but people are not seeing the big picture. The credit and interest rates issues, stock buy backs, the massive gambling in the stock exchanges, retail and manufacturing problems.

Also China wont suffer too much unless they need to crack down hard on millions of people at the same time. If any change comes to China it will be from within but whose to say something worse wont replace it?
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When and if this happens it will have a major impact on both the USA, EU an Asian economies including China.

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The case for a pending financial collapse is well grounded. Financial crises occur on a regular basis including 1987, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2007-08. That averages out to about once every five years for the past thirty years. There has not been a financial crisis for ten years so the world is overdue. It’s also the case that each crisis is bigger than the one before and requires more intervention by the central banks.

The reason has to do with the system scale. In complex dynamic systems such as capital markets, risk is an exponential function of system scale. Increasing market scale correlates with exponentially larger market collapses.

In basic terms, this means a market panic far larger than the Panic of 2008.

Today, systemic risk is more dangerous than ever because the entire system is larger than before. Due to central bank intervention, total global debt has increased over $150 trillion over the past 15 years. Too-big-to-fail banks are bigger than ever, have a larger percentage of the total assets of the banking system and have much larger derivatives books.

Each credit and liquidity crisis starts out differently and ends up the same. Each crisis begins with distress in a particular overborrowed sector and then spreads from sector to sector until the whole world is screaming, “I want my money back!”

First, one asset class has a surprise drop. The leveraged investors sell the sinking asset, but soon the asset is unwanted by anyone. Margin calls roll in. Investors then sell good assets to raise cash to meet the margin calls. This spreads the panic to banks and dealers who were not originally involved with the weak asset.

Soon the contagion spreads to all banks and assets, as everyone wants their money back all at once. Banks begin to fail, panic spreads and finally central banks step in to separate winners and losers and re-liquefy the system for the benefit of the winners.

Typically, small investors (and some bankrupt banks) get hurt the worst while the big banks get bailed out and live to fight another day.

That much panics have in common. What varies in financial panics is not how they end but how they begin. The 1987 crash started with computerized trading. The 1994 panic began in Mexico. The 1997–98 panic started in Asian emerging markets but soon spread to Russia and the big banks. The 2000 crash began with dot-coms. The 2008 panic was triggered by defaults in subprime mortgages.

The problem is that regulators are like generals fighting the last war. In 2008, the global financial crisis started in the U.S. mortgage market and spread quickly to the overleveraged banking sector.

Since then, mortgage lending standards have been tightened considerably and bank capital requirements have been raised steeply. Banks and mortgage lenders may be safer today, but the system is not. Risk has simply shifted.

What will trigger the next panic?

One of the questions I am asked most frequently in my global travels is what will be the cause of the next financial crisis.

My answer is always the same: We can be certain the crisis is coming and can estimate its magnitude, but no one knows exactly when it will happen or what the specific catalyst will be.

When it happens, it could unfold very quickly. There may not be time or opportunity in the middle of the crisis to take defensive measures. That’s why I keep reminding my readers that the time to prepare by increasing allocations to cash and gold is now.

With that said, it is useful to consider the most likely flash points for the next crisis and to monitor events as a way to improve one’s chances of seeing a crisis at the early stages.

So many credit crises are brewing, it’s hard to keep track without a scorecard. The mother of all credit crises is coming to China with over a quarter-trillion dollars owed by insolvent banks and state-owned enterprises, not to mention off-the-books liabilities of provincial governments, wealth management products and developers of white elephant infrastructure projects.

Then there’s a possible emerging-markets credit crisis, with a parade of potentially bankrupt borrowers vulnerable to hot money capital outflows and a slowdown of growth in developing economies.

Close on their heels is the U.S. student loan debacle, with over $1.5 trillion in outstanding debts and default rates approaching 20%.

Now we’re facing a devastating wave of junk bond defaults. The next financial collapse, already on our radar screen, will quite possibly come from junk bonds. That’s not my view alone.

Prominent economist Carmen Reinhart, for example, says the place to watch is U.S. high-yield debt, aka “junk bonds.”

Since the great financial crisis, extremely low interest rates allowed the total number of highly speculative corporate bonds, or “junk bonds,” to rise about 60% — a record high. Many businesses became extremely leveraged as a result. Estimates put the total amount of junk bonds outstanding at about $3.7 trillion.

The danger is that when the next downturn comes, many corporations will be unable to service their debt. Defaults will spread throughout the system like a deadly contagion, and the damage will be enormous.

This is from a report by Mariarosa Verde, Moody’s senior credit officer:

This extended period of benign credit conditions has helped many weak, highly leveraged companies to avoid default… These companies are poised to default when credit conditions eventually become more difficult… The record number of highly leveraged companies has set the stage for a particularly large wave of defaults when the next period of broad economic stress eventually arrives.

If default rates are only 10% — a conservative assumption — this corporate debt fiasco will be at least six times larger than the subprime losses in 2007-08.

For now, it’s not clear which way things will break next. Volatility is back and markets are still in a precarious position.

But the stock market is ultimately going to collapse in the face of rising credit losses and tightening credit conditions. Once the tsunami hits, no one will be spared. When it does hit, many investors will be caught completely unprepared.

You don’t want to be heavily exposed to these markets. It’s far better to get out too early than too late. Once the market falls apart, it’ll be too late to act.

That’s why now is the time to buy gold, while it’s still cheap (even with its recent run-up). When you need it most, once the crisis hits, it’ll cost a fortune. Preparation means 10% percent of your investible assets in gold (and possibly silver) and another 30% in cash.

That allocation will preserve wealth and provide dry powder for bottom-fishing in the crisis to come.

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The credit crisis for the USA will not occur until after the Trump election, part 2.

But I think it's a good prediction by Rickards, just early, too early, again. Like all of the predictions going on 5-10 years now.

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(05-30-2019 10:53 PM)KnjazMihailo Wrote:  "I know the US doesn't measure up to our rhetoric on human rights".

It shouldn't even have any rhetoric on human rights. Literally one of your best diplomats and political geniuses, George F Kennan, said that the US government should, "withdraw from its public advocacy of democracy and human rights".

Both the US and the world would be far better off if America adopted a realist foreign policy instead of this bizarre world conquest and globo-homo NWO agenda. Its understandable that Americans don't like the feeling of backing down from the international scene because they think it would be a loss of prestige and pride to withdraw their military and so on from half the planet but they would be much better off if they did so. For all the talk about the power of the US military, what good is it if it can't even be used to defend the demographic and territorial integrity of the USA from a bunch of Hispanic and other illegals?

This is actually what Trump ran on, a realist foreign policy. There are plenty of threads discussing why we have backtracked, but so far during his presidency we have been relatively restrained abroad and his warming to Russia and hostility to China is pure realism.

But be careful what you wish for though- in realism, the main purposes is to maximize power and prevent any rival hegemons from arising. There is little concern for rights or morality in realist thinking, so if a country determines that a mass genocide is in its interest then there isn’t much holding it back other than a hit to soft power.

Quote:Since you insist upon looking at the past history of China, namely things like the Cultural Revolution, its important to note that it only happened inside of China. Why should i care about the Chinese "mistreating" each other? What business does anyone have concerning themselves with China's internal affairs? Its not like they're going to change any of their policies anyway regardless of how hard George Soros or whoever else screeches on about how China is "authoritarian" or whatever.

It IS our business because if the Chinese are willing to mistreat each other, imagine what they will do to non-Chinese (especially dark skinned people that they look down upon).

During the cultural revolution China was extremely weak, so it didn’t have the power to abuse other countries. Even in their weakened state, Mao did manage to invade Tibet and their culture is slowly being eliminated through population displacement from Han Chinese. At the time, Tibet was pretty much autonomous, issuing their own currency and passports and had their own government. It was an invasion, pure and simple.

Just imagine a superpower China with a psycho like Mao at the top. Are you sure it’s still better than Pax Americana?

Quote:Also, from their past when looked at in total from before the 20th century, its pretty clear that when China rallies itself and becomes a dominant regional power, besides demanding tribute in the form of economic payments or whatever and intervening in the affairs of neighboring countries, the Chinese very much like to keep to themselves and their own business. Take a look at the Ming Dynasty and many other periods when China had strong and powerful monarchies.

This is the standard talking point that all the Chinese give when confronted with concern about a future superpower China. They say that because China is “confucian,” they will never be aggressive. This is bs. Any country that needs resources and has a power advantage will ALWAYS take advantage of the weak. This is human nature since the beginning of time. This is further exacerbated if a country has no outside morality or religion or human rights concerns to restrain its power. Even still, you admit that they demanded tribute and interfered in the affairs of other countries.

During the Ming treasure voyages, Chinese troops interfered in affairs of countries as far away as Sri Lanka.

During the Qing dynasty in 1755, there was a genocide against the Dzungar people, who were wiped out and their culture is gone. This is rarely mentioned in China or in the West when discussing China. This is actually one of the top dozen bloodiest genocides in history.

Quote:While its true that China has invaded Vietnam before which is questionable, China's behavior in the East Asia region has been historically far less aggressive and violent than that of other nations such as Mongolia and Japan. After all, how many times has China invaded Japan before? 0. What about the other way around?

China had nothing to gain from invading Japan, so it’s a moot point, plus invading Japan is not easy. However, ancient China started as a single kingdom, Qin, and eventually expanded into modern day China. They eliminated plenty of cultures along the way to dominating what is now modern Chinese territory.

Quote:When taking a look at Chinese history its also quite easy and convenient for Westerners to focus on Mao Zedong and the Cultural Revolution while ignoring the 19th century and the 100 years of humiliation that the Chinese had to endure from the West.

Things like the British literally trying to enslave China into a nation of drug addicts in the Opium Wars and all the Western powers that are currently lecturing China about human rights and democracy, literally aimed to carve China up among themselves. They also murdered hundreds and thousands of Chinese when crushing things like the Boxer Uprising.

Of course, since we're concerned with the USA v China here, its important to clarify that the USA participated in all this against China in the 19th and 20th centuries, even if it wasn't to the extent of the other powers.

Those are extremely convenient and easy things for Westerners to ignore, but they only serve as proof of the moral legitimacy of China's position.

Are you really griping about atrocities in the 1800’s? Especially when it was mainly the British and the Americans played a marginal role. Back then, slavery was the norm and Western nations were going nuts colonizing everywhere. Getting the Chinese addicted to opium to alleviate their trade deficit is a shitty thing to do, but there was far worse going on that century.

My core point is that ALL countries become aggressive when they are powerful, and China is no exception. This is human nature. Even well before they attain their full potential, China is showing aggression towards Taiwan, the South China Sea, and Tibet. Just because the US has made some serious mistakes does NOT mean that China will be better. Just because the US did some crappy things in the 1800’s and invaded a few countries after 9/11 does NOT mean that we should welcome our new Chinese overlords with open arms.

I am in full agreement with the anti-neocons, but sometimes it's better to side with the devil you know than the one you don't. How often did it work out for native populations who sided with European colonialists in order to oust a local leader they didn't like?

On another note, I haven't heard a SINGLE Chinese person at all hint that Mao was a deep state "globalist" puppet. Just sounds like more conspiracy mongering. This term globalist is thrown around pretty loosely on this forum and I haven't heard any coherent explanations about how China fits into the grand globalist plan. Looking for a simple narrative to explain a world that is quite complex.
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Quote:This is actually what Trump ran on, a realist foreign policy. There are plenty of threads discussing why we have backtracked, but so far during his presidency we have been relatively restrained abroad and his warming to Russia and hostility to China is pure realism.

But be careful what you wish for though- in realism, the main purposes is to maximize power and prevent any rival hegemons from arising. There is little concern for rights or morality in realist thinking, so if a country determines that a mass genocide is in its interest then there isn’t much holding it back other than a hit to soft power.

Fair enough, Trump has avoided involving himself in foreign warmongering.

So what? If you seriously believe that sincere and genuine concerns about morality or human rights dictate the current foreign policy of the United States, then we literally have nothing to discuss. It seems that you are so deeply ingrained in the false reality of American media that you are incapable of understanding the simple concept that any talk of human rights by the USA serves as nothing more than Casus Belli’s and cynical pretexts to achieve geopolitical goals. The USA is not a power that behaves in an ethical way or has a genuine concern for morality and whatever else you claim. This point is irrelevant because there is mass murder happening right now in the world. It's also ridiculous to claim that if the USA becomes weaker, mass genocides will magically start happening all over the world.

Quote:It IS our business because if the Chinese are willing to mistreat each other, imagine what they will do to non-Chinese (especially dark skinned people that they look down upon).

LOL. I’m not black/dark skinned. Why should I care about how the Chinese will treat them? Are you dark skinned? Could that be a reason why you're so biased against China?

Quote:Even in their weakened state, Mao did manage to invade Tibet and their culture is slowly being eliminated through population displacement from Han Chinese. At the time, Tibet was pretty much autonomous, issuing their own currency and passports and had their own government. It was an invasion, pure and simple.

Tibet as a province has the status of an Autonomous Region. This means that it has regional representation, so it is subsidized and helped by the Chinese central government similar to Costa Rica in the USA that is “disadvantaged”. It has autonomy in the areas of language and education. Tibetans are the majority of the population of the Tibetan Autonomous Region as they compose 90.8% of the population since a population census in 2011. Don't repeat false accusations from the Dalai Lama and Falun Gong. There's literally no evidence for these accusations anyway.

Tibet is a province that has been a part of China for longer than California has been a part of the USA. It only declared independence in 1912 and was then simply reincorporated in the 1950’s after a short annexation and brief military invasion. Oh, and don’t even start with the “Free Tibet” independence movement.

The Dalai Lama and the Falun Gong of Tibet aren’t even real Buddhists, they are literally a religious sect that is a separatist organization trying to destabilize China. All they do is literally hoax atrocities against the Chinese government by making up outrageously false accusations like, “Chinese doctors harvest organs from conscious Falun Gong prisoners interned in concentration camps made especially for the Falun Gong”. It's glaringly obvious that Falun Gong are literally a religious sect sponsored by the CIA to destabilize and undermine the territorial integrity of China.

I know this because i have extended family members who are involved in making pro Falun Gong propaganda against China's government and they get paid money to do so by the EU Commission of Human Rights and Amnesty International (So George Soros basically). They're also involved in a bunch of other post-modernist, George Soros, NWO style projects as well. I guess you must be proud of them.

Quote:Just imagine a superpower China with a psycho like Mao at the top. Are you sure it’s still better than Pax Americana?

1: We don’t have a Pax Americana right now as there are several wars that are being fought all over the world because of the USA. For there to be Pax Americana, there would have to be at least a few decades of peace all over the world, which there has never been when the USA was/is powerful and there never will be. You are creating a false dichotomy since Pax Americana has never happened and does not even exist as an option. This also just shows that you don't even know what the phrase "Pax Americana", or its original "Pax Romana" even means.

2: The USA is led by lunatics and maniacs like the Rothschild family and other Jewish elites. Since you don’t know much about them or are confused by all the “globalist” terms, they are really an indirect way for people to say Jewish elites. You should educate yourself about them. Especially because they run and control your country and they are arguably the cause behind everything that’s wrong with your country and the world right now.

3: Mao Zedong is dead. China is currently led by Xi Jinping. I am absolutely 110% certain that I would prefer Xi Jinping to rule the world instead of the Rothschild family or its agent, George Soros. Xi Jinping > Jacob Rothschild any day of the week.
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Quote:During the Ming treasure voyages, Chinese troops interfered in affairs of countries as far away as Sri Lanka.

This point proves nothing as Sri Lanka is relatively close to China. Still, Sri Lanka is much closer to China than say Afghanistan is to the USA where, as everyone knows, the USA is still fighting a war in a country that is literally on the opposite end of the planet to it.

Also, if you read through the link, the Chinese overthrew the King of Sri Lanka because that King of Sri Lanka was engaging in piracy against them. This was also literally a one-off as even you state that it was a unique, "Ming treasure voyage" expedition which left Sri Lanka later in the 15th century. Until recently, China had completely left Sri Lanka alone in a space of around 500 years.

Quote:During the Qing dynasty in 1755, there was a genocide against the Dzungar people, who were wiped out and their culture is gone. This is rarely mentioned in China or in the West when discussing China. This is actually one of the top dozen bloodiest genocides in history.

The genocide against the Dzunghar people is indeed tragic and it’s important to clarify a few things with them. When most people mean “Chinese” people, they are referring to ethnic Han Chinese, not Manchu. Your narrative about the Han Chinese committing genocide against the Dzunghar’s is ingenious as the Qing Dynasty which committed the genocide is an ethnic Manchu dynasty, not an ethnic Han Dynasty.

After all, even in your link about the Dzunghar genocide it states that, “The Manchu Qianlong Emperor rejected the views of Han officials who said Xinjiang was not part of China and that he should not conquer it, [Manchu Qianlong Emperor] putting forth the view that China was multiethnic and did not just refer to Han”.

Blaming the Han Chinese for the genocide against the Dzunghar’s is as ingenious as blaming the Kurds for the Armenian genocide. It’s true that the Kurds bear responsibility in committing some crimes against the Armenians and participating in the genocide of Armenians, but its underhanded to blame the Kurds for it since the ultimate group that is at fault is indisputably the Young Turks and Mustafa Kemal. In a similar way, blaming the ethnic Han Chinese for genocide over the Dzunghars is dishonest as the ethnic Manchu Qing Dynasty is the most responsible party for it. Of course, just like with the Kurds, they still bear responsibility for participating, but placing all the blame on them is devious.

Of course, since you’re one of those people who believe that the USA genuinely cares about morality and acts with ethical concerns at heart, you should know that your country is literally responsible for enabling the largest act of ethnic cleansing in Europe ever since the end of WW2. That is, the ethnic cleansing and forced mass expulsion of several hundreds of thousands of Serbs (mostly civilians) from Krajina (Croatia) in 1995. This is cynically termed as a military operation called “Operation Storm” but it’s practically an act of mass murder and ethnic cleansing. The CIA and US military literally financed, organized and led this blatantly public act of ethnic cleansing. It's important to forever expose the lie that the USA genuinely cares about preventing genocide and ethnic cleansing in the world.

Sidenote: If any Croats happen to read this section, many of your common talking points are easy to counter but those are beyond the scope of this thread. Also, an understanding of civil discussion and implicit agreement to partition Bosnia and Herzegovina between Serbs and Croats has been reached on this forum.

The list of examples which I could come up with where the USA behaves in a completely amoral and criminal manner is literally nearly endless. That’s why the moral hypocrisy only bounces back so strongly whenever any Americans try to lecture the Chinese about anything.

This is like sound echoing back to its yeller in an echo chamber. A Boomerang that comes back to its owner and hits him with twice the force that he tried to throw it at someone else. You can use whatever analogy you like, but I’m sure the point is clear.

Quote:China is showing aggression towards Taiwan, the South China Sea, and Tibet.

Seriously???

Tibet is a territory that is under Chinese military occupation. By that logic, the USA is showing aggression towards 150 countries in the world since that is the number of countries that the US military is deployed in. Since there are around 200 countries in the world (depends how you count), by this logic, the USA is showing aggression to ¾ of the world!

Clearly “showing aggression” (whatever that’s supposed to mean) to ¾ of the world is much worse than showing it to Tibet. Oh, we should add that California and Texas were all stolen from Mexico and annexed into the USA after wars with Mexico in the 19th century. If we follow your logic, the USA is showing aggression against California, Texas and Mexico. Is that really where you want to go?

The South China Sea is a rightfully Chinese sea and it will always be rightfully Chinese regardless of what the Hague Tribunal decides, because the Hague Tribunal is a criminal and amoral institute whose purpose is to humiliate sovereign nations and legitimize aggression against them. There is a reason why the South China Sea is called the “South China Sea”.

LOL. Taiwan is literally a US colony that is getting culturally enriched by its overlords with homosexual man on man, rear-end cavity action. Unification with China is a superior proposition for Taiwan, as it would literally save the children of Taiwan from being sodomized to death and having their genitals mutilated by becoming trans/LGBTQ. One could argue that China has a human rights obligation to invade Taiwan to rescue the children of Taiwan from being sexually perverted and molested into oblivion by the USA.

Quote:Are you really griping about atrocities in the 1800's?

Well, you're the one griping about atrocities with the Dzunghar's in the 1700's. So why shouldn't i gripe about atrocities in the 1800's?

Quote:Getting the Chinese addicted to opium to alleviate their trade deficit is a shitty thing to do, but there was far worse going on that century.

Really? Like what? I literally can't think of anything worse going on in that century, because all the things about slavery are exaggerated.

Quote:How often did it work out for native populations who sided with European colonialists in order to oust a local leader they didn't like?

The point about “how well did it work out for native populations to side with the colonizers” is also interesting since I could just as easily say that the USA was built upon the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Native Americans. Of course, this is a leftist, liberal and Jewish talking point that I’m going to spare you from pursuing, but I don’t even need to use it since there are literally plenty of other talking points to choose from that prove the extensive amoral and criminal behavior of the USA.

What's important is that this point implies the Chinese are coming to colonize the USA and Europe, take land from white people and annihilate them. This is ridiculous. Ever since implementing the One Child Policy, China doesn't have the demographic ability to colonize much of anything, even in its own country. While China's population numbers are large, China is actually undergoing population decline since China's current TFR (Total Fertility Rate) or Birth rate is below 2.1 and has been below that for a few decades now. Chinese diasporas are much more likely to leave the West in the long term and return home than to form colonies or anything of the sort.

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China is certainly not perfect. The catch is that all this anti-China nonsense is just a bunch of propaganda hoaxes and distortion of facts. It is like all the anti-Russian hysteria and falsification of facts about Russian history and Russia’s current actions. The propaganda against both these countries is similar in nature: it’s fake, gay and the hoaxes are of a similar character, which prove just how political all this is and has nothing to do with the truth.

Right now, it's not even clear that China intends to dominate the world. Besides the fact that their culture is foreign and they are undermining US dominance in Asia, the evidence for them having serious ambitions to dominate the planet is weak. China's actions to date indicate that it isn't interested in trying to dominate much of anything beyond its own country and the Asia region. Of course, it's possible that China does become the next leading power in the world as the USA falls, but that's on the USA, not China. The USA is in decline and collapsing in on itself because of its own internal problems, not because of China, Russia or whoever the US media blames.

Continuing this discussion would be pointless since you’re still stuck believing the false premise that the USA is a power which even cares about morality, legality and ethics in any way, shape or form at all. Since the burden of proof is always on the accuser, it remains to be proven how China intends to dominate the world and begin doing mass genocide or whatever other nonsense is claimed.

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(06-09-2019 06:08 AM)KnjazMihailo Wrote:  Of course, since you’re one of those people who believe that the USA genuinely cares about morality and acts with ethical concerns at heart, you should know that your country is literally responsible for enabling the largest act of ethnic cleansing in Europe ever since the end of WW2. That is, the ethnic cleansing and forced mass expulsion of several hundreds of thousands of Serbs (mostly civilians) from Krajina (Croatia) in 1995. This is cynically termed as a military operation called “Operation Storm” but it’s practically an act of mass murder and ethnic cleansing. The CIA and US military literally financed, organized and led this blatantly public act of ethnic cleansing. It's important to forever expose the lie that the USA genuinely cares about preventing genocide and ethnic cleansing in the world.

Sidenote: If any Croats happen to read this section, many of your common talking points are easy to counter but those are beyond the scope of this thread. Also, an understanding of civil discussion and implicit agreement to partition Bosnia and Herzegovina between Serbs and Croats has been reached on this forum.

Not to turn this China thread into a Croatian-Serbian thread, but it is simply disingenuous to present this as some sort of the most massive and unique crime in European history, or even in that region, which in reality was overflowing with many similar disasters during the war. I'm not denying that there was indeed ethnic cleansing during that event, far from it. However, just a few years earlier there was a similar event in which the Croatian population was ethnically cleansed from Republika Srpska territory which lies just a few dozen kilometers across the river.

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Funny how those orange parts simply evaporated!

Were there really war crimes and ethnic cleansing? Yes.
Has the US treated Serbia like shit in recent decades? Yes.
Is it a unique event unmatched in European history? No.

During those times, terrible things like that were happening all over the region at a similar scale. As the dear Jean-Marie Le Pen said, they are but a footnote of history..

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Since you felt the need to reply to that section, perhaps maybe we should start a specific Croatian-Serbian thread. There are a lot of points I am eager to respond with to easily counter your arguments, but they would only derail this thread further.

However, there is only one reply that is relevant for this thread.

My point of using the example of Operation Storm wasn’t intended to focus on Croats specifically, but on the role of the USA in facilitating and encouraging “ethnic cleansing”, the violent, and forceful mass expulsion of populations. The US military and US intelligence agencies like the CIA made Operation Storm possible. I chose the example of Operation Storm not to feud with Croats specifically, but because of the blatantly public and obvious role of the USA in encouraging mass killing and the forced expulsion of an ethnic group.

I’m sure if I spent some more time researching, I could have come up with another example, but this was just the one that immediately came to mind for me. Other examples that now come to mind include the role of the USA in the Rwandan Civil War.

At any rate, I've sent you a PM to work out if we should make a specific Croat-Serb thread or just drop the argument here. Regardless, i'm still going to send you a PM where i'll counter the arguments you've made here, because they're a very cunning and clever spin on Serb-Croat issues that can easily trick the majority of people unfamiliar with the history of the Balkans.

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I will say that I strongly respect the fact that HCE was honest enough to recognize that there where war war crimes and ethnic cleansing on a baseline level during this time period from all sides in the 1990's. This is something that i agree with and admit as well.

Just to be clear, I still disagree with HCE's perspective on Operation Storm and its relevance.

Your link about Republika Srpska or whatever it was, doesn't work by the way HCE.

EDIT: Me and Handsome Creepy Eel (HCE) have sorted this issue out over PM's and we're not going to bother arguing over Operation Storm, the events of the Collapse of Yugoslavia in the 1990's and derailing this thread with it or creating a new thread full of conflict and drama.

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