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(08-17-2019 11:35 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Like It_is_my_time said, for conservabros China is the bad guy. They don’t really know why though, other than something about intellectual property rights and Chinese students cheating on university entrance exams. Oh and Trump doesn’t like China. So there’s another reason.

Apparently we’ve run out of problems in America since we’re so concerned about the Hong Kong protests.
First, this is the Trump China Policy Thread. If China isn't your thing, maybe go here or here.

Second, the PRC is both an actual enemy and being used as a bogeyman by the globalists and deep state to further their control. Thirty years ago, the Soviet Union, too, was an actual enemy and also a bogeyman.

For Trump, pursuing successful and principled China policy was probably the biggest success of his presidency, since it's the one thing the Democrats won't/can't attack him for, and because the deep state was itching for some kind of confrontation with China anyway.

The Chinese were scared that Trump would not only attack them economically, but expand the confrontation to finance, human rights, and so on, creating the same kind of confrontation that led to the isolation and collapse of the USSR. Now, by showing the PRC he cares more about the trade deal than Hong Kong, Trump is meeting the CCP on its value-neutral terms. It's literally the equivalent of Reagan telling the Soviets "hope you handle East Germany okay, how about getting rid of those SS-20s for me?" It undermines the momentum that has been built up.

If Trump followed through with his administration's momentum, he would set the tone for 2020: bringing down the "evil empire" of communist China. If there's no trade deal, it's because the CCP is power-hungry and wont do structural reforms. If there's a recession, it's because of the unsustainable economic relationship with the PRC that globalists built up with Beijing over the last 3 decades. Trump would get re-elected and enjoy moral superiority over the globalists and deep state by using the China card. He would own that narrative and profit from it.

Instead, the Chinese have seemingly been able to convince him that a deal is not far off, if only Trump pushes the right buttons, if only he keeps applying tariffs, then Beijing will give him what he wants. Because the PRC must want it too. But that's not how the CCP works. Once they identify Trump's underlying motivation to be economic, they will target that motivation and do so very effectively. They will get Trump to sacrifice or be silent on every other issue, before making a fool of him at the last minute. It doesn't matter how much the Chinese people have to sacrifice, how many "spring onions" are cut. The People's Armed Police can handle any internal disturbance. The grain requisition corps can keep the cities fed in any emergency, and prevent a peasant famine/uprising from causing too much trouble. As long as international attention (led by the USA) remains anywhere other than on the basic legitimacy of the CCP, any domestic crisis can be weathered and the CCP can live to fight another day.

(08-17-2019 09:37 PM)KnjazMihailo Wrote:  Your comment about Stalin and Yugoslavia just demonstrates how much you know absolutely nothing about that subject matter. It just shows that you have no idea ...
No moral judgement on Yugoslavia or the Yugoslav communist movement. Merely applying your logic on China to the Yugoslav situation, since going by your username and posting history it's likely you come from one of those countries.

Quote:First off, are the numbers of people protesting in Hong Kong really in the millions?
Yes. The Hong Kong people are desperate not to become mainlanders.

Quote:Why wouldn't it be possible that the Hong Kong protests are a combination of useless resistance by local Hong Kongers and a CIA plot? What is so implausible about it?
Because it's millions of people involved in the protests, and not a few specialists in the vein of Antifa.

Quote:The whole organ harvesting thing about Communist China you have mentioned is a complete hoax that I have already debunked earlier in this thread. That is, especially if you are referring to the hoaxes about the Chinese government harvesting the organs of Falun-Gong.
It is no hoax, unless you ask the Chinese government and their fellow travelers. And Falun Gong is one of the most consistent opponents of the CCP. They are also almost completely ignored and marginalized in the mainstream media because they are conservative Han Chinese and do not directly benefit anyone's political agenda, unlike Uyghurs (separatist tendency, plus points for Islam), Tibetans (separatist tendency), feminists (destroy bedrock of society, make things easier for globohomo), or Taiwan (separatist tendency, can be used as precedent to dismember China along regional lines).
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More cowardly backing down from the paper tiger known as Trump

Quote:US delays Huawei trade ban for another 90 days

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49391420


The US Commerce Secretary, Wilbur Ross, has confirmed a ban on Chinese technology giant Huawei will not come into force for another 90 days. The US blacklisted the company in May because of national security concerns. Huawei was then granted a temporary permit in order to ease the transition, which was due to expire on Monday.

However, Mr Ross added a further 46 Huawei affiliates would now be added to the US Entity List, a blacklist of firms with which the US will not trade. The reprieve was designed to allow companies such as Google to trade with Huawei while adjusting to the restrictions. And Mr Ross said the extension would help US customers."We're giving them a little more time to wean themselves off," he said.
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(08-19-2019 03:02 PM)Caduceus Wrote:  More cowardly backing down from the paper tiger known as Trump

US delays Huawei trade ban for another 90 days

"All reactionaries are paper tigers. In appearance, the reactionaries are terrifying, but in reality, they are not so powerful."

Mao is laughing in his grave.
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Interesting Email Newsletter Update today:

The Real Reason Trump Needs America to Win the 5G Race
By Jeff Brown, Editor, Exponential Tech Investor

Jeff Brown
In the summer of 2018, Boston-based, Israeli cybersecurity firm Cybereason discovered something troubling…

The company exposed a massive international espionage campaign that had hacked into at least 10 major wireless carriers.

The hackers wanted to track around 20 high-profile political and military figures – including monitoring their phone calls, texts, and physical locations. It’s something right out of a spy movie.

This campaign (called Operation Soft Cell) had been going on for years. And based on the data, it appeared to be a nation-state attack – by China.

Now, Cybereason didn’t release the identities of the targets. It’s too dangerous. And while we don’t know for sure, prominent Western targets are a safe bet.

But all this info was revealed to key U.S. government officials around the same time they started banning 5G tech and networking equipment from China’s Huawei and ZTE.

And today, I’ll share why the ban was a smart move for our national security – and what it means for investors…


The Next Generation of Wireless Tech
I’ve been tracking the 5G space very closely. It’s the next evolution of wireless networks. And these new networks are going live on a weekly – and sometimes, daily – basis.

On average, 5G will deliver mobile speeds 100 times faster than the 4G networks we connect to today. And having the fastest possible communications network on the planet is critical for economic growth and strength…

Consider this: The economic impact of 5G will be in the range of three to five times more than the 4G wireless buildout.

With 5G, U.S. wireless carriers will invest as much as $275 billion. Roughly three million jobs will be created in the U.S. And we can expect approximately $500 billion in GDP growth, too.

At an industry level, expect $200 billion invested per year through 2025.

So it’s no wonder President Trump is eager to push the 5G wireless buildout forward.

In fact, early last year, the current administration “threatened” to build out its own national 5G network if wireless carriers couldn’t get it done. And my suspicion is that it was a warning.

The White House was saying, “Get out there and build these 5G networks quickly – or we’ll do it for you.” It was lighting a fire under private companies involved in the 5G buildout.

And it worked…


Verizon just launched 5G in four more U.S. cities: Atlanta, Detroit, Indianapolis, and Washington, D.C. So President Trump and America’s senators will now have access to blazing-fast 5G.

Now, some of us might be thinking that this early 5G coverage launch in D.C. isn’t a coincidence. And we’d be absolutely right…

Putting 5G tech in the hands of busy policymakers demonstrates progress. After all, the president has made his intentions on 5G very clear. In April, he said:

The race to 5G is a race America must win, and it’s a race, frankly, that our great companies are now involved in. We’ve given them the incentive they need. It’s a race that we will win.

And America winning this 5G race could be a matter of national security…

Wireless Networks World War
Here’s what I mean by that: Countries leading the way in deploying 5G networks will have a competitive advantage over others.

And the tech companies in these “first-mover” countries will be the first to develop the hardware and software enabling these 5G wireless services.

Now, the fear is that China will set the 5G precedent. It’d leave America dependent on Chinese 5G infrastructure. The U.S. would be vulnerable to further cyber-spying.

That’s why Cybereason’s discovery of Operation Soft Cell was alarming. And it’s why the government further determined equipment from Huawei and ZTE was a security threat.


Now, given the scale and origin of the operation, the ban looks like a smart move.

Plus, the president is now insistent on getting America’s 5G networks built out quickly – by American and European firms.

And for investors, here’s the bottom line…

Behind the scenes, the world’s top superpowers – the U.S. and China – are waging a war for 5G supremacy.

So 5G is an unstoppable trend. And companies providing the necessary tech for these 5G networks will benefit.

Right now, investors should be looking at companies that provide critical network infrastructure. These key 5G stocks will soar.

American Tower (AMT) is one of these wireless communications infrastructure companies. It builds and maintains communications infrastructure like cell towers.

It was instrumental in the 4G buildout that started in 2011. And it’s also heavily involved in erecting and maintaining the towers used in the 5G buildout.

Keep this trend on your radar. I expect 5G to be the best investing opportunity of the next decade.

Regards,

Jeff Brown
Editor, Exponential Tech Investor

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HK... And then there is the reality on the ground in Hong Kong the third largest financial center in the World basically modeled on the City of London during HK's golden heydays as a British Colony.

https://youtu.be/kmmaRbSunPs

CCP Taking away freedoms and the HK Rule f Law... 1.7 Million HKians protest with Umbrellas in defiance of the HK Police - are the CCP willing to kill off their Golden Goose???

Yeah the USA will be invaded by the Chinese army when the USA goes bankrupt...

News Flash the Fed and their CoL owners will find that the USA people will dump the Fed Debt Bux as the USD value collapses to compete with Chinese Yuan Economic Warfare devaluations. Solutions include a new secure set of Cryptos like BTC, LTC, Monero, Stellar, Cardano and yes even Libra to give Facebooks 2.5 Billion global users an alternative payments vehicle - If you read the Libra white paper it is clear they have read David Stockman, Jim Rickards, Peter Schiff and most of the USAwatchdog.coms financial guests and perhaps Ron Paul and TDV... and are creating basically a Ripple style centralized crypto that is based upon and backed by a basket of the IMF's SDRs taking a page out of Jim Rickard's USD collapse Survival Strategy.

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https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/up...18-PDF.pdf

The Naked Communists 45 Goals for the USA:
https://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/wat...-1963.html
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Quote:Steve Bannon, former White House Chief Strategist, sits down with hedge fund giant Kyle Bass to discuss America’s current geopolitical landscape regarding China. Bannon and Bass take a deep dive into Chinese infiltration in U.S. institutions, China’s aggressiveness in the South China sea, and the potential for global conflict in the next few years. Filmed on October 5, 2018




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(08-17-2019 10:24 AM)KnjazMihailo Wrote:  How exactly could things get worse in the world right now? I frankly struggle to see how. That is, besides your previously vague implication that China would somehow run around the world magically committing mass genocide if it became a uni-polar superpower.

I never stated or suggested that every country in the world will equally benefit from China becoming a "hyperpower" (whatever that's supposed to mean, maybe you meant superpower?). Since equality in an absolute sense is an illusion, it is obvious that no one will equally benefit or lose from China becoming the world's dominant power.

The part where you show concern for China's neighbors is really one of the key parts of interest though. You are implying and suggesting that China will steal their neighbors' resources and exploit or abuse them, since they see their neighbors as inferiors. There is definitely some truth to the fact that China will desire to trade with is neighbors and access their resources. Still, whether the manner in which China behaves towards its neighbors is objectionable, problematic, or whatever else, is ultimately something that should be left for China's neighbors to judge and determine. Of course, this warrants a brief analysis of China's neighbors and their opinions on their relationship with China.

The term ‘hyper power’ has been used as well, to describe a country that has no peer competitor and is essentially a hegemon in their world. Perhaps China may not go around genociding other populations, but at some point I’m pretty sure they are going to be taking over arable land in Africa and consolidating control over energy resources and fishing grounds outside their territory. Desertification and resource pressures are real concerns and will be cause for conflict in the future. If the locals protest and mount violent resistance, does anyone think that if China was the #1 world power they would hesitate about mowing down masses of Africans or indigenous populations, considering how many of their own people suffered from government policies in the past? As a European nationalist, you may not mind, but let’s not kid ourselves about what is likely to happen.

Quote:It is clear that many of China's neighbors have quite cordial and even positive relationships with China. Russia, North Korea, the Philippines, Mongolia and India, among others, all have quite functional and cordial relationships with China. In the cases of Russia and the Philippines, it is especially important to briefly dispel the false propaganda that exists in international media about their relationship with China. The "Chinese are stealing Siberia hoax" is a false US talking point that only exists to cause friction between Russia and China, when in reality, China and Russia are firmly integrated in anti-US military, economic, and political alliance which is caused by US policy instead of China dominating Russia with higher power levels, as is also supposedly claimed. As for the Philippines, despite the whole "China is building artificial islands and violating international waters" propaganda, Rodrigo Duterte is following an active pro-China policy in order to protect himself against US support of Muslim terrorists, drug dealers, and the overall globohomo package in the Philippines.

There may be temporary friendships between strongmen in their alliance against ‘globohomo’ but that does NOT mean their interests are aligned and that the Philippines wasn’t bullied into giving up the Scarborough Shoal. From all my conversations with anyone who spent time in the country, it seems Chinese are generally hated in Mongolia. India has ongoing territorial disputes with China that in 2017 let to exchanging fire. North Korea is completely dependent on China so of course they will maintain the veneer of a content vassal state. Relations are far from some kumbaya love fest.

Quote:Otherwise, the neighbors China has problems with, are really the ones that are US puppets who deliberately agitate and provoke China as US proxies who have direct or indirect US military support. The only notable exception to all these neighbors is Vietnam, which has a genuine centuries old historical enmity towards China because of past history. Vietnam actually has some level of its own national sovereignty beyond being a simple US puppet like Taiwan, South Korea, or Japan (Japan also has historical enmity with China which is really much more Japan's fault, but it does not have national sovereignty).

Every country wants more territory - just because they are U.S. allies doesn’t mean they aren’t acting on their own desires as well. Relations between states are inherently conflictual and a nonstop contest for resources. We don’t live in some kumbaya world where if the U.S. disappears then all of a sudden everyone realizes that squabbling over land is a waste of time.

Quote:What is actually ironic about all of this, is that Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang, Tibetans and Fa-Lung Gong, and Hong Kongers are the ones that are much more bothered by China than most of China's neighbors. Plus, of course, random online armchair commentators beyond the Asia region. I would give further comments about the relationship of countries with China in the Central Asia region, Indo-China besides Vietnam, and South East Asia besides the Philippines, but i lack enough knowledge on those matters.

Well, these are the groups that are completely at China’s mercy and have had to submit to the CCP so of course they have stronger feelings.

Quote:Also, you state that human nature drives the long term trends of history. Is this really true though? What about the long term trends of economics, demographics, science, technology, wars and politics/geo-politics? It would be more logical that those things are far greater determinants of long term trends of history compared to "human nature" (which is actually quite a vaguely defined term).

Sure, all those things matter, but until you change the laws of biology you won’t change the basic reality that the strong dominate, conquer, and sometimes eliminate the weak. All of our progress on technology and governance haven’t turned humans into magnanimous creatures that have no care for their material needs or social/reproductive status. Ultimately, selfish genes drive the need for resources to proliferate. China is NO exception. All empires throughout all of human history have dominated weaker states.

Quote:Another key part of your reply is where you state that because of human nature, we should question whether anything or any force can be better than the USA. This is, in effect, using your vague and abstract conceptions about "human nature" to give a moral justification of the USA's current dominance in the world, and by extension, of the current globohomo world order. In fact, this suggestion not only implies that China is not a superior alternative to the USA given the context in which you used it, but that literally absolutely nothing exists that can possibly be superior (both morally and even practically) to the USA.

Actually this wasn’t quite what I meant. All I meant is that we have to assume that it is more likely than not that China will follow the “strong dominate and subdue the weak and take their resources when they need or want it” model that ALL superpowers and empires have followed throughout all of human history. This doesn’t mean that the U.S. led or the globohomo world order is more moral than China or other empires past. But it does mean that we should have skepticism towards the notion that China will be a benevolent superpower.

This is healthy, rational skepticism that is a product of understanding history and not having utopian delusions about the world. It’s not America worship. There is no guarantee that 'globohomo' will last forever anyway - these things burn out eventually, especially with the rise of generation Z. However, if we welcome China and facilitate their displacement of America due to a hatred of globohomo then we're stuck with China for a long time and there may never come another chance for the West to regain primacy in the world.

Quote:This is in many ways an even worse delusion than the one that the USA is simply morally and practically better than China. It is actually a delusion that has existed for centuries and millennia in the past, and probably will exist in the future as well. It is the delusion and assumption that just because some force or international system simply happens to be dominant in a given time period, that it is the absolute best and most moral thing to ever have existed in the world, without any alternative being possibly capable of superseding it.

Again, skepticism of a hypothetical China dominated future world order that is being presented as utopian isn’t a full throated endorsement of the current one.

I think we’ve made our positions clear - appreciate your responses and the chance to further clarify my perspective.
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I just watched the above, a few hours ago. I can't say I really understood all of it, for many reasons, but it seemed interesting.

It looks like Bass might also be right about the trade he talked about a few months ago on RV regarding HK/banking/real estate

What was your biggest takeaway, Captain?

Does China implode within 2 years as Miles/Guo says?

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Biggest takeaway is that it looks like more mainstream news sources are seeing the reality of the CCP.

I don't know about imploding within 2 years, I hope that is the case but you never know. I do know that there will be plenty of opportunities during the trade war to long XAU, long YEN and short AUD.
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(08-27-2019 11:28 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  I just watched the above, a few hours ago. I can't say I really understood all of it, for many reasons, but it seemed interesting.

It looks like Bass might also be right about the trade he talked about a few months ago on RV regarding HK/banking/real estate

What was your biggest takeaway, Captain?

Does China implode within 2 years as Miles/Guo says?

Guo Wengui lost all credibility when he said that PLA will formally enter HK between August 4th and 6th, which turned out to be a load of BS. So no, China will still be with us in 2 years.

Will China and Hong Kong's role and/or importance in geopolitics and the global economy change in 2 years? That I'm sure is very much a possibility.
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Just finished watching Jan Jekielek's fantastic interviews with Steve Bannon and General Robert Spalding. I learned more about China Trade War and Huawei from these guys than the news because of their knowledge and understanding of Chinese Communist Party's agenda and goals.

Steve Bannon: New Film On Huawei—“Claws of the Red Dragon”, Hong Kong Protest & US China Trade War (24 Aug 2019)


China's Strategy Against Trump and America: Trade War, Huawei, 5G—Gen. Robert Spalding (3 Jun 2019)
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