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This is it, guys. It seems that China and Trump have reached a clear understanding. Military company Blackwater's founder plans to build new bases in China, a move to support the One Belt and One Road initiative. Frontier Services Group (FSG), a company that helps businesses operating in frontier markets overcome complex security, logistics and operational challenges, is planning to build two operation bases in Northwest China's Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region and Southwest China's Yunnan Province, Erik Prince, executive chairman of the firm, told the Global Times in mid-March.
Putting FSG to guard the New Silk Road in the extremely strategic province of Xinjiang is like letting the fox guarding the henhouse. If I were a Chinese official, under no circunstance I would allow those American mercenaries to guard this place which has an Uighur Islamic majority, it's the gate to Central Asia and has vast oil resources... Unless Mr Trump and I have decided to be partners. By the way, Mr Prince is Mrs De Voss' brother. Yeap, that De Voss, Trump's, Secretary of Education.

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To continue a discussion from this thread:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-50253-page-606.html

(06-30-2017 11:13 PM)911 Wrote:  The globalists aren't worried about the Chinese, and don't bother with diluting their race. They're worried about their numbers though

1. And Mao Zedong was the one who expanded the Chinese population to the stratosphere.

2. Who are the globalists worried about? A China that’s going to become stronger than America, run by Han supremacists with billion of racists, or an America that’s going down? And how did the (((globalists))) come to believe that the Chinese are more *trustworthy* than the Americans, lol? Don't they read my Suits quote sig?

3. Is Mark Zuckerberg not diluting his blood by marrying a Chinese (and still can’t get into China)?

4. In Israel television plan about intermarrying with Chinese political elites were broadcasted:
https://www.quora.com/How-do-Chinese-vie...Wen-Ling-3


What do you say of that?

Quote:Look up CITIC, its assets under management are the size of Germany's entire GDP. Guess who founded that group back in the 1980s...

5. It was founded by a pure-blooded (probably patriotic) Chinese, Rong Yiren. Rong was attacked by the Red Guards for exposing reform and opening ideas, and was sent to do janitor jobs. Is this planned by the globalists?

6. Rong did make dealings with Rockefeller. That doesn’t automatically entails that he (or Deng) must be a Rockefeller puppet. More evidence please.

And just because he made dealing with Rockefeller doesn’t mean CITIC is owned by Rockefeller.

Here is a list of CITIC’s shareholders/managers

Check the board of managers (in About CITIC). All pure-blooded Chinese:
http://www.group.citic/wps/portal/!ut/p/...=2&flag=21

CITIC Limited, a subsidiary of CITIC group in Hong Kong:
http://www.citic.com/AboutUs/BoardOfDirectors#ed
http://www.4-traders.com/CITIC-LTD-1412629/company/
(Neoh is Cantonese surname in case you're wondering)
78% stocks owned by the Chinese government. The rest mostly by Chinese corporations.


*Last of all, CITIC’s asset is 4.3 trillion Chinese Yuan, not 4.3 trillion USD, lol. It’s nowhere near the GDP of Germany.


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7. During the Cultural Revolution, universities were shut down. Many scientists were killed, imprisoned, tortured. The universities would not be reopen until 1979, many scientists and most urban kids were “sent down” the country side to work as farmers in the early 70s, and China would not start making progress again until Deng’s reforms of the mid 80s. China basically lost the potential to a large portion of its baby boom generation, as they are much less educated than their predecessors and successors. How exact does this fit into a globalist plan to build an industrial China?

Zelscorpion Wrote:If you don't want to do that, then it is fine, but then don't go out on a limb claiming that the Huffpo view of history is undoubtedly true.

Bro, I did not claim that the Huffpo view of history is undoubtedly true. You were the one who claimed that China is certainly controlled by (((globalists))).

A few questions:

-Aside from a few Jews that Mao allowed citizenship, China since Deng did not grant Chinese citizenship to any Jew (or non-ethnic Chinese) as far as I know. Wouldn't allowing citizenship to (((globalists))) make it easier to execute their plan? Why doesn't a (((globalist)))-owned China do this?

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Quote:Now, would anyone kindly explain to me why globalist stooge Xi Jinping would refuse to let Jewish-globalist oligarch Mark Zuckerberg's facebook get into China despite Mark trying so hard by marrying a Chinese and learning mandarin and asking Xi to name his daughter and shit?

(05-22-2017 10:34 PM)Suits Wrote:  China is a very high stress place to live. Everyone is cold and calculating, unless they want something from you, at which point they have acting skills to rival Hollywood... You literally can't trust anyone. You can't even trust your own instincts, because if you allow yourself to be swayed by how likeable someone is, there's a good chance you'll pay for it down the road.

(03-19-2016 10:13 AM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  [N]o one is "planning" anything. They have no power to "plan" it... They can't even control one goofy Ohio governor and son-of-a-mailman, LOL.
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Great points from Liberty Sea refuting the notion that China is controlled by the globalists.

I agree with Zelscorpion's views on Islam but as I keep saying, Asian politics simply does not fit into the globalist-nationalist narrative that Western and Middle East politics do. Looking at everything that has happened in and to China as part of a globalist plan doesn't do justice to the complexity of the situation.

That said, China's rise is the most important geopolitical phenomenon of the 21st century, and is at least partly attributable to the US outreach to China in the 70s and allowing China into the WTO. Therefore, the same forces that seem hell bent on destroying Europe, creating dysfunction in the US, and collapsing Putin's regime have also played a role in facilitating China's rise.

Problem is that I am baffled as to what their motivation is - as Liberty Sea made clear, there is ZERO evidence that China will play along in whatever the end game of the ((globalists)) is.
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Regarding the Jews I lean towards Kevin MacDonald's Jewish Instinct/Culture of Critique Hypothesis more than anything. I believe there are organized attempts to influence politics, economy, culture and all, but I don't think they control as much as many conspiracy theorists tend to believe.

What many conspiracy theorists have in common with communist ideologues is that they both believe that: 1. The rich are mostly evil and always secretly plotting against the mass. 2. Central planning works - some small clique of planners can mold not only economies but whole societies (with all of their complex conditions, characters and possibilities) into specific designated consequences.

I'm disinclined to believe in nigh-omnipotent conspirators for the same reason I don't believe in communism. Reality is enormously complex, and often too messy for central planning. I don't believe in full libertarianism either, but it's nonetheless true that a large part of the CPC's economic success is that it got out out of the way and allowed the private sectors to develop. Some even say that has been its largest contribution, as Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore show that East Asian people will do well largely irrespective of their political system when relatively free enterprises are allowed to them. For my part I think the CPC did make some smart policies that accelerated China's growth, but I wouldn't say their policies/planning/interventions are the biggest factors. As I said before, China's core strength is the Chinese people.

BTW, the Jewish plan to intermarry with Chinese political elites probably won't succeed. Because CPC members can't marry foreigners. Their kids can't either, if they still want to climb the ladders.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-nota...ce-Chen-15

Quote:Not only themselves, one of their qualifications is their kids also cannot marry to foreigners.

I remember read something about a prominent provincial party boss failed to be promoted because her daughter married a Frenchman.

The party is dead serious about surviving.

The condition for joining the party is very strict in practice. Xi Jinping himself applied to join the party 9 times, and only got admitted in the 9th attempt after failing and failing again. You will be vetted carefully to detect any foreign connection.

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The Chinese language itself is, I think, one of the most anti-globalist languages in the world. It's a language that imposes thousands of years of tradition into the minds of children. If your mother tongue is Chinese, or, if the only language you frequently use is Chinese, your mind is likely too Chinese for globalism. I may be exaggerating, but it's true that the Chinese language is a great barrier against globalization. Highly idiomatic tonal ideograms like Chinese make it difficult. English on the other hand is an easily accessible language that everybody can learn, and can get very cosmopolitan easily. Roman languages in general are, to a lesser extent.

(05-22-2017 10:34 PM)Suits Wrote:  China is a very high stress place to live. Everyone is cold and calculating, unless they want something from you, at which point they have acting skills to rival Hollywood... You literally can't trust anyone. You can't even trust your own instincts, because if you allow yourself to be swayed by how likeable someone is, there's a good chance you'll pay for it down the road.

(03-19-2016 10:13 AM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  [N]o one is "planning" anything. They have no power to "plan" it... They can't even control one goofy Ohio governor and son-of-a-mailman, LOL.
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(07-02-2017 06:43 AM)Arado Wrote:  That said, China's rise is the most important geopolitical phenomenon of the 21st century, and is at least partly attributable to the US outreach to China in the 70s and allowing China into the WTO. Therefore, the same forces that seem hell bent on destroying Europe, creating dysfunction in the US, and collapsing Putin's regime have also played a role in facilitating China's rise.

Problem is that I am baffled as to what their motivation is - as Liberty Sea made clear, there is ZERO evidence that China will play along in whatever the end game of the ((globalists)) is.

Maybe they just miscalculated.

Maybe they thought that the Chinese are easily controllable, only to be one-upped by the Chinese. Deng Xiaoping I believe was one of the greatest political chessmasters of his time.

Who say they can't miscalculate and get one-upped? Trump's rise is, I think, evident enough. He was friend with the Clintons, invited them to his wedding, was a liberal. They probably thought he is on their side or at least not dangerous.

Stalin supposedly 'went off the script'. They needed more ally to counter Stalin. As China was at odd with the USSR at the moment, Nixon and Kissinger normalized relation with China.

David Rockefeller's ideals probably have many overlaps with Maoism, so he thought he could put China to his use. But many of China's actions probably went against the directions he wished. The current China is totally anti-Maoist. They probably didn't anticipate that China would go the nationalist route, just as they didn't anticipate Trump would go the nationalist route, and won the election.

One can see this on the evidently anti-China tone in Western MSM. I'll demonstrate this to show that the globalists behind MSM are anti-China. The problem is China is both an enemy to the globalists and to genuine American interest, so it will be hated by both globalists and American nationalists.

1. Obama is typically thought of as a globalist puppet. He lamented that China didn't contribute more "global security":

"They are free riders. And they have been free riders for the last 30 years and it’s worked really well for them"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg8ntdSbmCk

2. Obama administration banned Intel from selling Xeon chips to China, aiming to slow China's technological progress.

3. US government passed a law to ban China from US's international space program. "Due to alleged security concerns, all researchers from the U.S. National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) are prohibited from working bilaterally with Chinese citizens affiliated with a Chinese state enterprise or entity"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_ex...cy_of_NASA

4. The TPP was meant to contain China's rise. Trump thought TPP included China but he was mistaken.

5.

a. The 2013 Tiananmen Square attack is a clear terrorist attack. And this is CNN response:

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b. In the 2014 Kunming attack - an attack carried out by Uighur Muslim terrorists, killing 31 civilians, wounding 140 - and the Western media's report of the event was:

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Notice the quotation and avoidance of calling it terrorism (terrorists later claimed responsibility for the attack). This has angered many Chinese.

6. The Dalai Lama is on CNN payroll
http://www.theage.com.au/news/business/b...ntentSwap1

Tibet under the Dalai Lama was a serfdom that skinned kids and cut slaves' hands.
https://www.quora.com/Why-does-China-for...endy-Ren-6

7. Democracy activist in China like Liu Xiaobo – who was arrested in China- has been funded by the US government. Liu founded Minzhu Zhongguo, Democratic China, Inc. and Independent Chinese PEN Centre, Inc., which are funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED):
http://www.ned.org/region/asia/china-2007/
Total sum from NED to Democratic China, Inc., $1,000,000. NED payments for «Independent Chinese PEN Centre, Inc.»: US $844,800. Liu’s total receipts from NED: US$1,844,800, about 14 million yuan.
NED funded 18 subversive organizations in China.
NED was banned in Russia as an undesirable international NGO in July 2015 for "using Russian commercial and noncommercial organisations under its control... to declare the results of election campaigns illegitimate, organise political actions intended to influence decisions made by the authorities, and discredit service in Russia’s armed forces."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-nationa...ia/5468215
Quote:Notably, at the same time as Russia is banning NED under its new Undesirable NGO law, China has just signed into law its Overseas NGO Management Law to restrict foreign NGO’s there. Last October, the same National Endowment for Democracy financed the Hong Kong Umbrella Revolution protests and the NED is financing Uygur separatists in China’s Xinjiang Province, cross-roads of all major Chinese oil and gas pipelines from Russia and Kazakhstan.

Carl Gershman, president of NED, is a key neocon who has been hellbent on destabilizing Russia.
https://consortiumnews.com/2016/10/07/ke...ust-putin/

https://williamblum.org/chapters/rogue-s...-democracy

Quote: (((Allen Weinstein))), who helped draft the legislation establishing NED, declared in 1991: “A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.” (source: Washington Post, September 22, 1991)
In effect, the CIA has been laundering money through NED.

... NED describes one of its 1997-98 programs thusly: “To identify barriers to private sector development at the local and federal levels in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and to push for legislative change … [and] to develop strategies for private sector growth.” Critics of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, a socialist, were supported by NED grants for years.

In short, NED’s programs are in sync with the basic needs and objectives of the New World Order’s economic globalization, just as the programs have for years been on the same wavelength as US foreign policy.

Western MSM simply reported that Professor Liu was an innocent man fighting for democracy. More on the Western media coordinated narrative here.

Quote: Former CIA-agent Ralph McGehee writes: «… the current US policy of using (rightly or wrongly) the theme of human rights violations to alter or overthrow non-US-favored governments. In those countries emerging from the once Soviet Bloc that is forming new governmental systems; or where emerging or Third World governments resist US influence or control, the US uses ‘human rights violations,’ as an excuse for political action operations. ‘Human Rights’ replaces ‘Communist Conspiracy’ as the justification for overthrowing governments.»
Patrick French writes: «The NED constitutes, so to speak, the CIA’s “civilian arm”».


https://monthlyreview.org/2006/12/01/the...rn-europe/
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/201.../view-all/
Quote:NED and Soros work in tandem, targeting the same regimes and using the same methods. NED President Carl Gershman, in writing of the hundreds of Non-Governmental Organizations working for “regime change” throughout the world, pays particular tribute to the Ford Foundation and “the foundations established by the philanthropist George Soros.”
Source: Carl Gershman, “Building a Worldwide Movement for Democracy: The Role of Non-Governmental Organizations”, U.S. Foreign Policy Agenda, Vol. 8, No. 1, August 2003. NED: http://www.ned.org/about/board/meet-our-...ons/080103

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In conclusion, it’s precisely because I’ve dug into a lot information that I believe China is not controlled by (((globalists))). In fact, I believe the (((globalists))) are trying to subvert the Chinese government. Say what you want about the CPC, but it’s a bastion against (((globalism))). It has been very effective in counterespionage.

A lot of things you learned about China's recent history through MSM are probably wrong. But I don't want to go into that territory right now. About events like the Tiananmen Square, I won't make any conclusion, but you can read this and do research yourself, and make your own conclusion.

Enterprises keep pouring into China mostly due to objective economic laws. It’s most profitable to open your factories there. Not even globalists can reverse that.

(05-22-2017 10:34 PM)Suits Wrote:  China is a very high stress place to live. Everyone is cold and calculating, unless they want something from you, at which point they have acting skills to rival Hollywood... You literally can't trust anyone. You can't even trust your own instincts, because if you allow yourself to be swayed by how likeable someone is, there's a good chance you'll pay for it down the road.

(03-19-2016 10:13 AM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  [N]o one is "planning" anything. They have no power to "plan" it... They can't even control one goofy Ohio governor and son-of-a-mailman, LOL.
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Quote:Enterprises keep pouring into China mostly due to objective economic laws slave communist labor. It’s most profitable to open your factories there. Not even globalists can reverse that.

Fixed.

As for the globalists controlling China, I am very skeptical. Zel said the globalists would never let Trump win. Zel overestimates what they are capable of. I think the globalists were trying to use China but ultimately it's a plan that backfired because of the reasons Liberty Sea has pointed out. The Chinese are just as ethically racist as most Jews. There's no way they'll fall victim to subversion.

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Perhaps the globalists did just underestimate the Chinese and miscalculate that they could control them. However, even Napoleon and the British saw the talent and drive of the Chinese people and knew that once they industrialized, had access to Western technology, and gained a better government they would be a major competitor with the West - ideologically, militarily, and economically. I really have trouble believing that Kissinger didn't understand the can of worms he was opening when he was negotiating with Zhou Enlai. Especially post-Tiananmen (1989) they must have known that letting China into the WTO (2001) would not create an easily controllable globalist lapdog. So why did they do it?

That said, even if the Chinese are a bulwark against the globalists, it's pretty disturbing the way they pretty much said FU to the British and that they can do whatever they want in HK. Their South China Sea land grab is also pretty provocative, as well as their plan to steal IPR in order to dominate the industries of the future.

Perhaps all these things are in their national interest, but you could at least admit that even if we had nationalist non SJW governments in the West they would also look at China's moves as threatening? After all, it seems like the left and Neocons in the US are far more anti-Russia than anti China. The media in the West is actually pretty quiet about all the crap that China is doing. It will grab a headline or two but it's nothing compared to the constant anti Russia drumbeat. Most Americans still have no clue how far China has come along in its development.

Should we simply go along with China's challenges to the West just because China is tough on Islam and isn't infected by SJW ideology?
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(07-03-2017 12:55 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
Quote:Enterprises keep pouring into China mostly due to objective economic laws slave communist labor. It’s most profitable to open your factories there. Not even globalists can reverse that.

Fixed.

Sorry, that's just simply not the case in China currently.

China offers affordable employment terms not because people are forced to work under a communist regime, but rather because people are willing and eager to work.

As it currently stands, China is not a place where people are forced to work. They are more than welcome to refuse to work and starve to death in the process.

Also, the cost of hiring employees and doing business in China has been steadily rising over the past decade. Countries are still eager to manufacture products in China because it offers a fairly stable political environment, the government does not generally "nationalize" foreign owned business and the manufacturing industry has high tech capabilities (and skilled workers) that other countries with even lower employment costs simply don't offer.

I can't speak for every corner of China (it's a big country where exceptions do exist), but if slave labour exists here, it's not legally authorized and exists in opposition to the norm and the mandates of the federal government. At best, it occurs in very poor regions that wouldn't have the technological capabilities and the local talent to manufacture that type of products foreign companies come to China to have produced.

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Completely agree, Suits, though by slave labor Samseau means something other than forced labor (he means low-wage labor with workers unable to save and get out of poverty due to currency devaluation). Check his Why Free Trade Can't Coexist with Currency Manipulation thread. Anyway, I countered his arguments here: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-54249...pid1604834

(05-22-2017 10:34 PM)Suits Wrote:  China is a very high stress place to live. Everyone is cold and calculating, unless they want something from you, at which point they have acting skills to rival Hollywood... You literally can't trust anyone. You can't even trust your own instincts, because if you allow yourself to be swayed by how likeable someone is, there's a good chance you'll pay for it down the road.

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(07-03-2017 08:59 PM)Arado Wrote:  Perhaps the globalists did just underestimate the Chinese and miscalculate that they could control them. However, even Napoleon and the British saw the talent and drive of the Chinese people and knew that once they industrialized, had access to Western technology, and gained a better government they would be a major competitor with the West - ideologically, militarily, and economically. I really have trouble believing that Kissinger didn't understand the can of worms he was opening when he was negotiating with Zhou Enlai. Especially post-Tiananmen (1989) they must have known that letting China into the WTO (2001) would not create an easily controllable globalist lapdog. So why did they do it?

I entertain conspiracy theories at times, but honestly I'm disinclined to believe there is a unified globalist elites hellbent on pushing globalism as an end-in-itself. I believe truly globalist ideologues among them, like George Soros, are few. Most capitalist elites are just profiteers and they support globalization for profit, not for ideals. And American capitalist elites have benefited hugely from letting China join the WTO. Where else do you find a huge army of cheap, high quality workaholics? American workers were worse off, but American capitalist elites profited hugely. There are too many short term practical interests around for some ideals or long-term conspiracy to be played out.

To quote a famous Quoran:

Quote:Are foreign firms at a disadvantage doing business in China?

Listen, for everyone who’s complaining about so-called “disadvantage”, the first thing you should do, is to go back and read the WTO Accesssion Agreement with China.

http://unpan1.un.org/intradoc/groups/pub...002123.pdf

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTRA...ertler.pdf

It’s public. Has been public for 15 years. Let me give you a basic summary of this Agreement that your elected government has signed up to.

Prior to WTO, China did bi-lateral trades with a number of countries. It’s economy is almost entirely closed to the West. It had a 90% import tax on foreign cars, banned most of the foreign food items and luxury items, even had quota on textile. It’s a self-sustained economy.

So you went to the negotiation table with GM, Disney, JP Morgan, and Verizon.

GM said, I want to sell cars in China and I want the import tax to drop from 90% to 20%. China said, OK, in exchange, I want to keep partial control of the telecommunication sector. GM looked at Verizon. Verizon shrugged. Something is better than nothing. OK. Deal. Within 3 years, foreign cars occupied 80% of China’s market.

Then Disney said, I want to sell movies in China. And China said, OK, in exchange, I want to keep complete control of my agriculture sector. Deal. Within 3 years, Disney movies and theme parks starting printing money in China.

Then JP Morgan said, I want to open a couple thousand branches of banks in China, and I want to be able to do so within 2 years. This was, in fact, the most aggressive demand in the history of WTO Accession, and it came from the White House. Other developing countries all got at least 5 years to prepare their financial system from this potentially crushing invasion. The European Union refused to be part of it, because they worried that the Chinese banking system might collapse under such an aggressive timeline, and yet, the White House pushed for it. So China said, then can I have those low-margin industries, like making socks? Every time I make eight billion socks for you, I’d earn enough money to buy a Boeing 737 for our domestic airlines… So the White House looked at you, you the sock-maker, and said, sure, you can have it.

So the next time you complain, remember that it’s GM, Disney, JP Morgan,and the White House who traded you to the Chinese for slice of the Chinese market. They all got plenty of money rolling in. And remember that when the deal was signed, the whole world - the US, EU, and the Chinese governments all considered the deal to be great for the US, and lousy for the Chinese. Do you really think that a country who founded the world financial system, who has the biggest banks in the world, with the best lawyers, negotiators, economists, and industry leaders, could possibly be making a bad deal? You’ve been selling throughout the entire developing world - Asia, Africa, the Middle East, Latin American, etc., and nobody could replicate your technology, and you didn’t think China could either. China was poor, with GDP per capital at ~ $1,000 in 2001. Poor people are stupid. If they aren’t stupid they wouldn’t be so poor. Duh.

It’s neither rational, nor psychologically healthy, to have the most powerful, the richest country on earth wallowing in a sense of victimhood. America wins far more than America loses. Think about the economic hegemony in South America, the minerals and the oil rights in Africa, global dumping of cereal and who knows how many small farmers were wiped out, Sovereign debt decided by the court in New York, sole military supplier to half of the globe, all the environmental disasters that the US doesn’t have to pay for, from India to Latin America…

Even when you look at the relationship with China in totality: China was asked to contribute a ton of money ($43 billion) to save the IMF in exchange for an increase of voting rights. Did they hand over the money? Yes. Did they get the voting rights? No. China had $50 billion worth of infrastructure projects signed with Libya, the next thing you know NATO started bombing the country and the $50 billion went down the drain. Now the whole country is shit. There are plenty of other instances where China was f*cked well and good. It’s just not intellectually honest to take the winning as “the way the world is supposed to be”, and take the very occasional losing as “the world is out to screw me”. There are a heck of a lot of countries in the world that have been screwed mercilessly, without receiving any compensation. A giant country like the US should not have the mind and heart of a flea. If you have a neighbor who behaves like this, you’d move away rather than deal with him.

Letting China into WTO seemed like a good deal for the USA at the time. People expected China to rise eventually, but few anticipated China would grow this fast, and get many of its native industries and banks strong enough to be competitive and autonomous so quickly (state-owned banks hold firm control of finance in China, and it's quickly getting harder for foreign firms to compete with local firms in China as time passes). Who could anticipate that there would be an AIIB that would challenge the hegemony of the World Bank? J.P. Morgan probably wanted to dominate banking in China but didn't succeed.


And also there are rules that the elites can't just violate. Trump Presidency's existence itself is a refutation of a great deal of conspiracy theories. Did they know that Trump is a serious threat after Jeb Bush was driven out? Or after Rubio quitting? Yes. And they can't still stop him. For that same reason they can't stop China despite knowing the risk.


The elites' attempt at stopping Trump was incompetent, and the NED's attempt to destabilize China was not much better. They're unable to get Kasich out of the race to focus the vote on Rubio. They don't even have enough control to make Trump go bankrupt. How many big businesses stopped doing business with the Trump Organization for being racist?

Quote:That said, even if the Chinese are a bulwark against the globalists, it's pretty disturbing the way they pretty much said FU to the British and that they can do whatever they want in HK. Their South China Sea land grab is also pretty provocative, as well as their plan to steal IPR in order to dominate the industries of the future.

Perhaps all these things are in their national interest, but you could at least admit that even if we had nationalist non SJW governments in the West they would also look at China's moves as threatening? After all, it seems like the left and Neocons in the US are far more anti-Russia than anti China. The media in the West is actually pretty quiet about all the crap that China is doing. It will grab a headline or two but it's nothing compared to the constant anti Russia drumbeat. Most Americans still have no clue how far China has come along in its development.

Should we simply go along with China's challenges to the West just because China is tough on Islam and isn't infected by SJW ideology?

HK is Chinese territory. Let them handle their own shit.
Other than that, yes, it's in the US's interest to limit China's growth. But the tension with Russia is much higher, and American businesses would lose nothing if we sanction Russia because the US have very little trade with Russia. China is America's biggest trade partner. There are a lot of obstacles, a lot of profit/interests involved, hence the lack of outright aggressiveness toward China.

Something must be done. But that's to be discussed.

(05-22-2017 10:34 PM)Suits Wrote:  China is a very high stress place to live. Everyone is cold and calculating, unless they want something from you, at which point they have acting skills to rival Hollywood... You literally can't trust anyone. You can't even trust your own instincts, because if you allow yourself to be swayed by how likeable someone is, there's a good chance you'll pay for it down the road.

(03-19-2016 10:13 AM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  [N]o one is "planning" anything. They have no power to "plan" it... They can't even control one goofy Ohio governor and son-of-a-mailman, LOL.
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(07-03-2017 08:59 PM)Arado Wrote:  Perhaps the globalists did just underestimate the Chinese and miscalculate that they could control them. However, even Napoleon and the British saw the talent and drive of the Chinese people and knew that once they industrialized, had access to Western technology, and gained a better government they would be a major competitor with the West - ideologically, militarily, and economically. I really have trouble believing that Kissinger didn't understand the can of worms he was opening when he was negotiating with Zhou Enlai. Especially post-Tiananmen (1989) they must have known that letting China into the WTO (2001) would not create an easily controllable globalist lapdog. So why did they do it?

That said, even if the Chinese are a bulwark against the globalists, it's pretty disturbing the way they pretty much said FU to the British and that they can do whatever they want in HK. Their South China Sea land grab is also pretty provocative, as well as their plan to steal IPR in order to dominate the industries of the future.

Perhaps all these things are in their national interest, but you could at least admit that even if we had nationalist non SJW governments in the West they would also look at China's moves as threatening? After all, it seems like the left and Neocons in the US are far more anti-Russia than anti China. The media in the West is actually pretty quiet about all the crap that China is doing. It will grab a headline or two but it's nothing compared to the constant anti Russia drumbeat. Most Americans still have no clue how far China has come along in its development.

Should we simply go along with China's challenges to the West just because China is tough on Islam and isn't infected by SJW ideology?

When the Soviets fell, the globalist were able to easily loot the country through Yeltsin, the oligarchs and privatization. Maybe they thought it would be similar in China. The Chinese are tougher nut to crack, and just aren't vulnerable to the usual games that are used so successfully elsewhere.
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Quote:Enterprises keep pouring into China mostly due to objective economic laws slave communist labor. It’s most profitable to open your factories there. Not even globalists can reverse that.

Fixed.

As it currently stands, China is not a place where people are forced to work. They are more than welcome to refuse to work and starve to death in the process.

I'm sure they said the same things to serfs in the middle ages.

They are slaves, don't kid yourselves. Who gets control of capital in China? Who gets any building permit, any work permit, permission to even take a shit? All government controlled, please sell the kool-aid somewhere else.

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How much does the CPC pay Liberty Sea and Arado to wrote PhD dissertation-level posts? Not even our (((zionist))) members put such detail into theirs.

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(05-07-2017 12:15 PM)Hell_Is_Like_Newark Wrote:  This VISA is nothing new and has been used for years. There is massive amounts of hot money flowing out of China right now. That money has been landing on real estate projects. The Chinese don't care if it makes money, just as long as it doesn't cause them to lose everything (which is the fear if they keep the money in China).

The press keeps trying to tie this whole thing to Trump of course. "China" may replace "Russia" as the Bogeyman of choice.

It wasn't much about Trump but rather how they were trying to portray that you're investing with Trumps advisor....implying he will grease the wheels and have your back.

(05-21-2017 10:22 AM)Luvianka Wrote:  This is it, guys. It seems that China and Trump have reached a clear understanding. Military company Blackwater's founder plans to build new bases in China, a move to support the One Belt and One Road initiative. Frontier Services Group (FSG), a company that helps businesses operating in frontier markets overcome complex security, logistics and operational challenges, is planning to build two operation bases in Northwest China's Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region and Southwest China's Yunnan Province, Erik Prince, executive chairman of the firm, told the Global Times in mid-March.
Putting FSG to guard the New Silk Road in the extremely strategic province of Xinjiang is like letting the fox guarding the henhouse. If I were a Chinese official, under no circunstance I would allow those American mercenaries to guard this place which has an Uighur Islamic majority, it's the gate to Central Asia and has vast oil resources... Unless Mr Trump and I have decided to be partners. By the way, Mr Prince is Mrs De Voss' brother. Yeap, that De Voss, Trump's, Secretary of Education.

What does mercenaries and oil in western china have to do with anything? It's not like the US is going to invade China. Most FSG mercs aren't even 'murican. The ones they had in Dubai were mostly Colombian.

Might want to check up on your facts, or as they would say in Spanish "deja de publica puras pendejadas".

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(07-05-2017 12:46 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
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(07-03-2017 12:55 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
Quote:Enterprises keep pouring into China mostly due to objective economic laws slave communist labor. It’s most profitable to open your factories there. Not even globalists can reverse that.

Fixed.

As it currently stands, China is not a place where people are forced to work. They are more than welcome to refuse to work and starve to death in the process.

I'm sure they said the same things to serfs in the middle ages.

They are slaves, don't kid yourselves. Who gets control of capital in China? Who gets any building permit, any work permit, permission to even take a shit? All government controlled, please sell the kool-aid somewhere else.

Incorrect. Less personal freedom is not the same as no personal freedom.

Slavery is no personal freedom.

In fact, in China, people have personal freedoms that not even Americans have. You can drink alcohol anywhere. Labour laws are written to heavily favour employees (for example, an employer is legally required to give all employees a permanent contract after just two years of service.

The government does control a lot, but that simply does not equate to people being literal slaves. People are absolutely permitted to quit their jobs at any time and go into private business if they wish. And many do. While some industries are heavily restricted and only a connected person with money could compete, their are plenty of people with no connections and very little money who have started and continue to operate legal business.

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