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A good read about the man Xi Jinping:


First bit below, bold lines are mine:

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1. © According to a well connected Embassy contact, Politburo Standing Committee Member and Vice President Xi Jinping is "exceptionally ambitious," confident and focused, and has had his "eye on the prize" from early adulthood. Unlike many youth who "made up for lost time by having fun" after the Cultural Revolution, Xi "chose to survive by becoming redder than the red." He joined the Party and began mapping out a career plan that would take him to the top of the system. In our contact's view, Xi is supremely pragmatic and a realist, driven not by ideology but by a combination of ambition and "self-protection." Xi is a true "elitist" at heart, according to our contact, believing that rule by a dedicated and committed Communist Party leadership is the key to enduring social stability and national strength. The most permanent influences shaping Xi's worldview were his "princeling" pedigree and formative years growing up with families of first-generation CCP revolutionaries in Beijing's exclusive residential compounds. Our contact is convinced that Xi has a genuine sense of "entitlement," believing that members of his generation are the "legitimate heirs" to the revolutionary achievements of their parents and therefore "deserve to rule China."

2. © Xi is not corrupt and does not care about money, but could be "corrupted by power," in our contact's view. Xi at one point early in his career was quite taken with Buddhist mysticism, displaying a fascination with (and knowledge of) Buddhist martial arts and mystical powers said to aid health. The contact stated that Xi is very familiar with the West, including the United States, and has a favorable outlook toward the United States. He also understands Taiwan and the Taiwan people from his long tenure as an official in Fujian Province. End Summary.

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This is old news, but it's important. Xi doesn't see himself as first among equals in the Communist Party. He would like the Party to revolve around him personally. In terms of major changes, if Deng Xiaoping removed the primacy of Marxist ideology on the economy, Xi Jinping could be the one to remove the primacy of Marxism in politics. He keeps making a point of mentioning that China has a "superior" (优秀) culture and doesn't even care to stay in line with the atheism that is officially required in the Party. At a meeting of which footage was revealed earlier this year he used some obviously religious terms ("there are gods above our heads" 三尺头上有神明 and "we must keep hearts of reverence" 一顆敬畏的心). This would be in with his Buddhist leanings. In an article published by state media last year focusing on what books Xi Jinping recommends, Xi said he was moved by the interaction between Jean Valjean and the priest in Les Miserables. Also, all of his top picks were classical Chinese and western literature, with the obligatory Communist staples at the bottom and no modern books included at all.

My impression of Xi is that he is trying to harness the economic output of the last thirty or so years in a more directed manner (the "One Belt, One Road" project being the most prominent example of this). He hates the cultural shift towards materialism and individualism that have occurred in the last generation. He probably understands on some level that atheism is a net negative for China, but is at the same time worried about the spread of Christianity as it would mess up the ability of the government to control the nation using culture.

This assessment would be in line with Xi's political maneuvering as well. In the Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao eras of leadership, China was becoming more open and socially liberated. It was more economically liberal as well as very corrupt, sort of like the US in the time of the robber barons. Social and cultural degeneracy followed economic graft, especially since most of China's rich have made their money overnight and have no sense of civic duty. By starting (and not ending) the anti-corruption campaign from the time he took power, Xi is breaking up the old political-business consensus and moving Chinese government in a more imperial direction.
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Well, the Donald and Xi Jinping are already something big behind doors. Steve Bannon, Donald Trump’s erstwhile domestic political adviser, and Wang Qishan make for one of the oddest political couples in Sino-US relations. But the recent secret meeting between the godfather of the US “alt right” movement and the Chinese Communist party’s ruthless anti-graft tsar was consistent with Beijing’s rapidly growing interest in US economic nationalism. 
Since the meeting was not held with a political member of the polit buro, but the financial tsar of China, it must be some kind of financial deal to have both parties satified.

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Bannon spoke about China and Bush at length today. He said Bush was the worst President of all time, the most destructive by a landslide because of how much American industry he sold to China.

Meanwhile, China, he says, will become the most frightening super-power the world has ever known. By 2025 they will be in control of most of the world, he claims. China has disproven the notion that economic liberalism would bring about political liberalism, and Xi Jinping's recent ascension to power at the Party Congress was equivalent to Hitler's Nuremberg speeches. During this speech he held the entire country hostage for 3 and a half hours as a testament to his power.

He says China plans to build an alliance running through Iran and Syria as part of their "one road" policy, and economically break the back of anyone who opposes them. He says the West will sink into poverty and despair under the Mercantilist Chinese model unless strong action is taken now.

You can read Xi Jinping's full speech here: http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/1...nd-171023/

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(11-07-2017 01:34 PM)Samseau Wrote:  



Bannon spoke about China and Bush at length today. He said Bush was...

What a shocker! Bannon is a sory ass Zionist who puts Israel first before the USA. The whole Breibart project is Israeli made.

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(11-07-2017 01:34 PM)Samseau Wrote:  



Bannon spoke about China and Bush at length today. He said Bush was the worst President of all time, the most destructive by a landslide because of how much American industry he sold to China.

Meanwhile, China, he says, will become the most frightening super-power the world has ever known. By 2025 they will be in control of most of the world, he claims. China has disproven the notion that economic liberalism would bring about political liberalism, and Xi Jinping's recent ascension to power at the Party Congress was equivalent to Hitler's Nuremberg speeches. During this speech he held the entire country hostage for 3 and a half hours as a testament to his power.

He says China plans to build an alliance running through Iran and Syria as part of their "one road" policy, and economically break the back of anyone who opposes them. He says the West will sink into poverty and despair under the Mercantilist Chinese model unless strong action is taken now.

You can read Xi Jinping's full speech here: http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/1...nd-171023/

Quote:He says China plans to build an alliance running through Iran and Syria as part of their "one road" policy, and economically break the back of anyone who opposes them. He says the West will sink into poverty and despair under the Mercantilist Chinese model unless strong action is taken now.

He lost me on the bolded part. Had he said Asia and Africa, I would agree with that assessment.

I honestly do not see China giving two shits about those two countries. Not in the next 5-10 years at least. They have bigger plans with countries that are exponentially more stable thanks to America and Europe no longer destabilizing most of the world constantly.

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(11-07-2017 01:55 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 01:34 PM)Samseau Wrote:  



Bannon spoke about China and Bush at length today. He said Bush was...

What a shocker! Bannon is a sory ass Zionist who puts Israel first before the USA. The whole Breibart project is Israeli made.

And? How does that negate Bannon's views on China?

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(11-07-2017 02:43 PM)Transsimian Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 01:55 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  le Breibart project is Israeli made.

And? How does that negate Bannon's views on China?

Bannon talks as if America's unipolarity was still viable. China is not willing to take America's shit any more.
China doesn't want war, but a mutually financial deal with the US. President Trump should be already negotiating with both, China and Russia, a New World Order.

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China doesn't want anything but pure power and hegemony.

There will be a WW3 and it will be between China, America and her allies. It will be a war where China will get a few early wins and then be utterly smashed when the west's armies get reminded of what a few bloody noses feel like.

China's only regional ally is Pakistan as a way to check India and to a lesser extent North Korea. Everyone else doesn't respect Chinese aggression in the region. If push comes to shove they would happily join in a fight if it meant enjoying the spoils of a defeated China.

Russia is a blip on the economic spectrum and as such are irrelevant in the grander scheme of things in the region. Their unity with China is questionable and I doubt the strength of it under pressure.

I also find Chinese IQ claims as questionable as their laughable 7% gdp growth they claim. It's a country built on appearances (face) and lies. I'm looking forward to seeing it actually tested.

Now, this all goes to the wind if the communist party dies and China becomes truly democratic. Then a truly powerful China could emerge.
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(11-07-2017 02:31 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
Quote:He says China plans to build an alliance running through Iran and Syria as part of their "one road" policy, and economically break the back of anyone who opposes them. He says the West will sink into poverty and despair under the Mercantilist Chinese model unless strong action is taken now.

He lost me on the bolded part. Had he said Asia and Africa, I would agree with that assessment.

I honestly do not see China giving two shits about those two countries. Not in the next 5-10 years at least. They have bigger plans with countries that are exponentially more stable thanks to America and Europe no longer destabilizing most of the world constantly.

Iran and Syria are just tiny pieces of their One Belt One Road plan that aims to build infrastructure and trade routes from China to the far reaches of Europe and Africa. It is an order of magnitude greater than the Marshall plan and has the potential to tighten China's grip over these economies once they own all the infrastructure, the politicians, and have military bases all over the place to guard their investments.

Quote:China doesn't want anything but pure power and hegemony.

There will be a WW3 and it will be between China, America and her allies. It will be a war where China will get a few early wins and then be utterly smashed when the west's armies get reminded of what a few bloody noses feel like.

China's only regional ally is Pakistan as a way to check India and to a lesser extent North Korea. Everyone else doesn't respect Chinese aggression in the region. If push comes to shove they would happily join in a fight if it meant enjoying the spoils of a defeated China.

Russia is a blip on the economic spectrum and as such are irrelevant in the grander scheme of things in the region. Their unity with China is questionable and I doubt the strength of it under pressure.

I also find Chinese IQ claims as questionable as their laughable 7% gdp growth they claim. It's a country built on appearances (face) and lies. I'm looking forward to seeing it actually tested.

Now, this all goes to the wind if the communist party dies and China becomes truly democratic. Then a truly powerful China could emerge.

Beware of underestimating them. Obviously right now they have no interest in starting a war, but the balance of power will dramatically shift over the next 10-15 years unless we do something about it. They have already pretty much taken over the south China sea and we've done squat about it.

Bannon rightfully sees that this is a fundamental challenge to our economic and security dominance in the world.

Our strategic error is that our withdrawal from TPP and our stated "America First" narrow focus on the short term trade balance and saving coal jobs is giving China an opening to start dominating global economic institutions and industries of the future, while strengthening ties with other countries around them.
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^^Agreed, America desperately needs another product like the "internet". Something wholly developed, owned, and operated that no one else has and can doll out access to.

I think we'll see some sort of Chinese military posturing much sooner, within the next five years or so. A sort of Franz Ferdinand moment.
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We got a deal, guys. China and the US have an agreement of the highest transcendence. China took steps toward its first investment in U.S. liquefied natural gas as one of its energy giants agreed to advance a $43 billion project that’s been years in discussion and already sidelined by American majors. China Petrochemical Corp., known as Sinopec Group, signed a joint development agreement with Alaska Gasline Development Corp. on the plan to pipe gas from the state’s northern shore to a proposed liquefaction terminal in the south, where it would be shipped abroad. The state of Alaska, China Investment Corp. and the Bank of China Ltd. also signed the agreement.
This is the most significant event of the recent trip President Trump made to China, the rest are small potatoes.

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