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Secession is a moronic idea. It's a total wimp out.

You either fight against the forces of evil, and destroy the forces of evil, or you are by definition letting evil win. You are letting your children inherit a world that you have handed over to evil.

You don't divide the country in two and give half to the forces of darkness.

The way to save the United States is with the cleansing power of religion. We need morality, massive doses of harsh morality applied like a flaming whip. Only the power of God, delivered via soldiers for religion, will ever have the power to do that.

That is why, when you look at the history of the USA, it is a history of religious revivals every few generations. We are a deeply religious country by nature, and that's how we keep our balance.

That time is now.
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We are (or were) a deeply Christian country, not a deeply "religious" country.
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A bunch of fat, tattooed slobs, which is what Americans currently are, aren’t gonna suddenly pick up Christianity. That ship has sailed.
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(06-11-2019 08:36 AM)godfather dust Wrote:  We are (or were) a deeply Christian country, not a deeply "religious" country.

Yes. What is the point of your post?

Quote:A bunch of fat, tattooed slobs, which is what Americans currently are, aren’t gonna suddenly pick up Christianity. That ship has sailed.

Apparently you've never experienced the power of God in your life. I pity you.
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A conflict will pop off when a sufficiently large event happens to ignite mass hysteria. Ebola outbreak, a massive California earthquake, dirty bomb, economic collapse, etc.
Once it blows there will be a chain reaction across the country as multiple groups try to seize power or eliminate their opposition. Just look at YT videos of Mexico or Venezuela but add in millions of guns and weapons trained Americans.
Mexico has been living in a state of low intensity civil war for about 15 years now and is almost a guide to 21st century failed state survival.
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Another thing I forgot to mention is we have a new religion in America: it is “the economy” also sometimes referred to as the “GDP”. It has completely replaced Christianity. Donald Trump agrees by the way! Just look at how many times he’s praised our new god.
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(06-12-2019 08:48 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Another thing I forgot to mention is we have a new religion in America: it is “the economy” also sometimes referred to as the “GDP”. It has completely replaced Christianity. Donald Trump agrees by the way! Just look at how many times he’s praised our new god.

I think the new religion is neo-liberalism. Which is simply what the elites tell you is good and the modern day church ladies, and in fact often descendants of the puritan church ladies, are the watch dogs and enforcers of this religion.

Neo-liberalism is so strong that a rabid feminist will come out and support the hijab because Neo-liberalism says both are good and that you must ignore the fact they contradict each other.
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The fed posting on gab is getting heated. I wouldnt be suprised if Gab goes down shortly.
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(06-11-2019 12:23 PM)rpg Wrote:  A conflict will pop off when a sufficiently large event happens to ignite mass hysteria. Ebola outbreak, a massive California earthquake, dirty bomb, economic collapse, etc.
Once it blows there will be a chain reaction across the country as multiple groups try to seize power or eliminate their opposition. Just look at YT videos of Mexico or Venezuela but add in millions of guns and weapons trained Americans.
Mexico has been living in a state of low intensity civil war for about 15 years now and is almost a guide to 21st century failed state survival.

This is pretty much the best take I've seen on the issue of the collapse or dissolution of the USA.

I'd only argue that the event would probably have to be more of a political nature. Perhaps something more like some country (say Iran) massacres a whole base of US soldiers somewhere and then instead of reacting, certain groups in the USA become bold enough to defy the government. Maybe something like a bunch of Hispanic or other migrants sack and burn down Washington DC or something.

I'd also contend that the event would be something so severe that the media and the whole establishment would try to hide from everyone forever, but people would eventually figure it out sooner or later.

It frankly doesn't even matter what it is though really. The outcome will be the same.

The process of the USA's death and collapse has already been set in motion and it's too late to stop. Mass migration, population replacement, usury, feminism, poverty, international provocations, LGBTQ, and so on. Donald Trump has literally failed to prevent any of these things and has even begun to actively promote them. It's just that many people still follow the media saying he's a "white nationalist" and haven't caught on to the fact that he's completely betrayed the cause he promised to champion.

For those who think that this topic is nonsensical, you should take it seriously because before a bunch of other major civil wars in history happened elsewhere in the world, people there also held the belief that, "No. A Civil War is something that happens somewhere else. That can never happen here".

The USA is already dead. This isn't a matter of if, but when. It's only a matter of whether it's a few years or decades. Maybe even earlier for all we know.

"And guess what, you might have a feeling that youre destined for something else, and that any day now it will dawn on you, but it will remain that, just a feeling that you use as a crutch to never focus on anything", Beirut.
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(06-11-2019 02:27 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  Secession is a moronic idea. It's a total wimp out.

You either fight against the forces of evil, and destroy the forces of evil, or you are by definition letting evil win. You are letting your children inherit a world that you have handed over to evil.

You don't divide the country in two and give half to the forces of darkness.

The way to save the United States is with the cleansing power of religion. We need morality, massive doses of harsh morality applied like a flaming whip. Only the power of God, delivered via soldiers for religion, will ever have the power to do that.

That is why, when you look at the history of the USA, it is a history of religious revivals every few generations. We are a deeply religious country by nature, and that's how we keep our balance.

That time is now.

In theory you are right but the US aren't as small as Luxembourg.
A state full of conservative Christians and 95% + white people , with strong military presence and high morals , with the size of 2/3 american states , can become power number 1 in the world.

Look at Singapore. They are very small . So is South Korea.
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(06-12-2019 01:09 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  
(06-11-2019 02:27 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  Secession is a moronic idea. It's a total wimp out.

You either fight against the forces of evil, and destroy the forces of evil, or you are by definition letting evil win. You are letting your children inherit a world that you have handed over to evil.

You don't divide the country in two and give half to the forces of darkness.

The way to save the United States is with the cleansing power of religion. We need morality, massive doses of harsh morality applied like a flaming whip. Only the power of God, delivered via soldiers for religion, will ever have the power to do that.

That is why, when you look at the history of the USA, it is a history of religious revivals every few generations. We are a deeply religious country by nature, and that's how we keep our balance.

That time is now.

In theory you are right but the US aren't as small as Luxembourg.
A state full of conservative Christians and 95% + white people , with strong military presence and high morals , with the size of 2/3 american states , can become power number 1 in the world.

Look at Singapore. They are very small . So is South Korea.

Sorry, but this is wrong. America doesn't work that way. When American society goes into a religious revival, it's huge and it sweeps the nation. Nobody here on this board has experienced this so none of you understand it. you are all children of the sexual revolution.

There's not going to be a civil war or a secession. Those are just mental masturbation ideas.
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(06-12-2019 07:02 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 01:09 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  
(06-11-2019 02:27 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  Secession is a moronic idea. It's a total wimp out.

You either fight against the forces of evil, and destroy the forces of evil, or you are by definition letting evil win. You are letting your children inherit a world that you have handed over to evil.

You don't divide the country in two and give half to the forces of darkness.

The way to save the United States is with the cleansing power of religion. We need morality, massive doses of harsh morality applied like a flaming whip. Only the power of God, delivered via soldiers for religion, will ever have the power to do that.

That is why, when you look at the history of the USA, it is a history of religious revivals every few generations. We are a deeply religious country by nature, and that's how we keep our balance.

That time is now.

In theory you are right but the US aren't as small as Luxembourg.
A state full of conservative Christians and 95% + white people , with strong military presence and high morals , with the size of 2/3 american states , can become power number 1 in the world.

Look at Singapore. They are very small . So is South Korea.

Sorry, but this is wrong. America doesn't work that way. When American society goes into a religious revival, it's huge and it sweeps the nation. Nobody here on this board has experienced this so none of you understand it. you are all children of the sexual revolution.

There's not going to be a civil war or a secession. Those are just mental masturbation ideas.

If you study history, and I don't mean the brainwashing crap schools and Hollywood teaches, and you understand economics, you realize this only ends one of two ways. And it happens when the 2A is extremely limited and the people then make a choice.

#1) The people refuse to hand in their guns, thus a civil war.

#2) The majority of gun owners hand over their guns, and the USA becomes an open air prison run Bolshevik style.
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(06-13-2019 04:38 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 07:02 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 01:09 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  
(06-11-2019 02:27 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  Secession is a moronic idea. It's a total wimp out.

You either fight against the forces of evil, and destroy the forces of evil, or you are by definition letting evil win. You are letting your children inherit a world that you have handed over to evil.

You don't divide the country in two and give half to the forces of darkness.

The way to save the United States is with the cleansing power of religion. We need morality, massive doses of harsh morality applied like a flaming whip. Only the power of God, delivered via soldiers for religion, will ever have the power to do that.

That is why, when you look at the history of the USA, it is a history of religious revivals every few generations. We are a deeply religious country by nature, and that's how we keep our balance.

That time is now.

In theory you are right but the US aren't as small as Luxembourg.
A state full of conservative Christians and 95% + white people , with strong military presence and high morals , with the size of 2/3 american states , can become power number 1 in the world.

Look at Singapore. They are very small . So is South Korea.

Sorry, but this is wrong. America doesn't work that way. When American society goes into a religious revival, it's huge and it sweeps the nation. Nobody here on this board has experienced this so none of you understand it. you are all children of the sexual revolution.

There's not going to be a civil war or a secession. Those are just mental masturbation ideas.

If you study history, and I don't mean the brainwashing crap schools and Hollywood teaches, and you understand economics, you realize this only ends one of two ways. And it happens when the 2A is extremely limited and the people then make a choice.

#1) The people refuse to hand in their guns, thus a civil war.

#2) The majority of gun owners hand over their guns, and the USA becomes an open air prison run Bolshevik style.

I've studied a huge amount of all kinds of US history. Neither of the 2 choices you are offering is accurate in my view. Here's my guess:

#3 -- Armed citizens hold a small localized insurrection or march on Washington. Similar to the yellow vests in France. This scares Congress and wipes out the old guard, new congress members are elected who are sympathetic to the cause of the insurrectionists, and the lumbering beast of US Federal government changes course. Meanwhile society does a u-turn away from the sexual revolution, towards puritan sexual repression and religious fundementalism, Mormons, Christians, and other religious groups (conservative Sikhs, Hindus, Catholics, some muslims) join together and start radically supressing Gays/Trans ideology. Hollywood and internet are re-censored. High tech firms like Facebook and Google get wildy fucked by government. Women dump feminism and go towards having children (panic as birth rate has dropped too much). Trump is seen as imperfect but the catalyst for all this.

Members of Rooshvforum find out that all of the above is nowhere near as much fun as they thought it would be.
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(06-13-2019 01:35 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 04:38 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 07:02 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 01:09 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  
(06-11-2019 02:27 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  Secession is a moronic idea. It's a total wimp out.

You either fight against the forces of evil, and destroy the forces of evil, or you are by definition letting evil win. You are letting your children inherit a world that you have handed over to evil.

You don't divide the country in two and give half to the forces of darkness.

The way to save the United States is with the cleansing power of religion. We need morality, massive doses of harsh morality applied like a flaming whip. Only the power of God, delivered via soldiers for religion, will ever have the power to do that.

That is why, when you look at the history of the USA, it is a history of religious revivals every few generations. We are a deeply religious country by nature, and that's how we keep our balance.

That time is now.

In theory you are right but the US aren't as small as Luxembourg.
A state full of conservative Christians and 95% + white people , with strong military presence and high morals , with the size of 2/3 american states , can become power number 1 in the world.

Look at Singapore. They are very small . So is South Korea.

Sorry, but this is wrong. America doesn't work that way. When American society goes into a religious revival, it's huge and it sweeps the nation. Nobody here on this board has experienced this so none of you understand it. you are all children of the sexual revolution.

There's not going to be a civil war or a secession. Those are just mental masturbation ideas.

If you study history, and I don't mean the brainwashing crap schools and Hollywood teaches, and you understand economics, you realize this only ends one of two ways. And it happens when the 2A is extremely limited and the people then make a choice.

#1) The people refuse to hand in their guns, thus a civil war.

#2) The majority of gun owners hand over their guns, and the USA becomes an open air prison run Bolshevik style.

I've studied a huge amount of all kinds of US history. Neither of the 2 choices you are offering is accurate in my view. Here's my guess:

#3 -- Armed citizens hold a small localized insurrection or march on Washington. Similar to the yellow vests in France. This scares Congress and wipes out the old guard, new congress members are elected who are sympathetic to the cause of the insurrectionists, and the lumbering beast of US Federal government changes course. Meanwhile society does a u-turn away from the sexual revolution, towards puritan sexual repression and religious fundementalism, Mormons, Christians, and other religious groups (conservative Sikhs, Hindus, Catholics, some muslims) join together and start radically supressing Gays/Trans ideology. Hollywood and internet are re-censored. High tech firms like Facebook and Google get wildy fucked by government. Women dump feminism and go towards having children (panic as birth rate has dropped too much). Trump is seen as imperfect but the catalyst for all this.

Members of Rooshvforum find out that all of the above is nowhere near as much fun as they thought it would be.

This would basically be a peaceful civil war. The people coming together to force the govt. to step down and be replaced with a govt. that is not corrupt and represents "we the people" again. This would be excellent and up until the 1980's I think this might have been possible. But as vastly divided as our society is today, I don't see how this would be possible. Even if you removed our govt., the people are in such disagreement and pulled in so many angles, I don't see anyway possible for them to come to any compromise.

I think the closest we could get now is to remove the govt. and then balkanize the country into the different groups that disagree and let them reform their own nations. And I don't see the govt. going that easy, there is a lot of big money to support our govt. and lots of people who could be brought here to fight for them.
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(06-13-2019 01:35 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  I've studied a huge amount of all kinds of US history. Neither of the 2 choices you are offering is accurate in my view. Here's my guess:

#3 -- Armed citizens hold a small localized insurrection or march on Washington. Similar to the yellow vests in France. This scares Congress and wipes out the old guard, new congress members are elected who are sympathetic to the cause of the insurrectionists, and the lumbering beast of US Federal government changes course. Meanwhile society does a u-turn away from the sexual revolution, towards puritan sexual repression and religious fundementalism, Mormons, Christians, and other religious groups (conservative Sikhs, Hindus, Catholics, some muslims) join together and start radically supressing Gays/Trans ideology. Hollywood and internet are re-censored. High tech firms like Facebook and Google get wildy fucked by government. Women dump feminism and go towards having children (panic as birth rate has dropped too much). Trump is seen as imperfect but the catalyst for all this.

Members of Rooshvforum find out that all of the above is nowhere near as much fun as they thought it would be.

But historically was the US run by a hostile alien elite in the way it is now? The people of the three parentheses that control everything now would sooner see it all burn before giving up their privileged position in society and going back to being simple shtetl Jews making their matzo balls to sell at the market.
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(06-13-2019 04:52 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 01:35 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  I've studied a huge amount of all kinds of US history. Neither of the 2 choices you are offering is accurate in my view. Here's my guess:

#3 -- Armed citizens hold a small localized insurrection or march on Washington. Similar to the yellow vests in France. This scares Congress and wipes out the old guard, new congress members are elected who are sympathetic to the cause of the insurrectionists, and the lumbering beast of US Federal government changes course. Meanwhile society does a u-turn away from the sexual revolution, towards puritan sexual repression and religious fundementalism, Mormons, Christians, and other religious groups (conservative Sikhs, Hindus, Catholics, some muslims) join together and start radically supressing Gays/Trans ideology. Hollywood and internet are re-censored. High tech firms like Facebook and Google get wildy fucked by government. Women dump feminism and go towards having children (panic as birth rate has dropped too much). Trump is seen as imperfect but the catalyst for all this.

Members of Rooshvforum find out that all of the above is nowhere near as much fun as they thought it would be.

But historically was the US run by a hostile alien elite in the way it is now? The people of the three parentheses that control everything now would sooner see it all burn before giving up their privileged position in society and going back to being simple shtetl Jews making their matzo balls to sell at the market.

The CIA already admitted our tax dollars were used to support ISIS and Al Qaeda in Syria, which then in turn tortured and killed Christians in the most barbaric way possible.

So why would we expect our govt. to not do the same and import these kinds of people here in the USA to save their own necks if they are willing to do it for some oil land.

The USA MrLemon grew up in is LONG gone. Hell, the USA I grew up in in the 1980's and 1990's is LONG gone. This is a mess never seen before, the closest was the Roman empire right before it collapsed.
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(06-11-2019 10:58 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  
(06-11-2019 08:36 AM)godfather dust Wrote:  We are (or were) a deeply Christian country, not a deeply "religious" country.

Yes. What is the point of your post?

Quote:A bunch of fat, tattooed slobs, which is what Americans currently are, aren’t gonna suddenly pick up Christianity. That ship has sailed.

Apparently you've never experienced the power of God in your life. I pity you.

Whether he experiences god or not has little to do with turning around human nature. Civilizations go through phases, and do turn to god/morality only after collapse, not before. This was how it was before christianity, and it hasn't changed after it.

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(06-13-2019 05:04 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 04:52 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 01:35 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  I've studied a huge amount of all kinds of US history. Neither of the 2 choices you are offering is accurate in my view. Here's my guess:

#3 -- Armed citizens hold a small localized insurrection or march on Washington. Similar to the yellow vests in France. This scares Congress and wipes out the old guard, new congress members are elected who are sympathetic to the cause of the insurrectionists, and the lumbering beast of US Federal government changes course. Meanwhile society does a u-turn away from the sexual revolution, towards puritan sexual repression and religious fundementalism, Mormons, Christians, and other religious groups (conservative Sikhs, Hindus, Catholics, some muslims) join together and start radically supressing Gays/Trans ideology. Hollywood and internet are re-censored. High tech firms like Facebook and Google get wildy fucked by government. Women dump feminism and go towards having children (panic as birth rate has dropped too much). Trump is seen as imperfect but the catalyst for all this.

Members of Rooshvforum find out that all of the above is nowhere near as much fun as they thought it would be.

But historically was the US run by a hostile alien elite in the way it is now? The people of the three parentheses that control everything now would sooner see it all burn before giving up their privileged position in society and going back to being simple shtetl Jews making their matzo balls to sell at the market.

The CIA already admitted our tax dollars were used to support ISIS and Al Qaeda in Syria, which then in turn tortured and killed Christians in the most barbaric way possible.

So why would we expect our govt. to not do the same and import these kinds of people here in the USA to save their own necks if they are willing to do it for some oil land.

The USA MrLemon grew up in is LONG gone. Hell, the USA I grew up in in the 1980's and 1990's is LONG gone. This is a mess never seen before, the closest was the Roman empire right before it collapsed.

If you want to throw your hands in the air and declare "all is lost" then feel free. You will find few joining you.
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That kind of mentality is akin to dumping your savings into a failing stock option "because I'm not going to give up, that's quitter talk".

The end of the USA isn't the end of the world. Life will go on and whatever replaces it will be cherished too. A person ought to care more about their people and God than to see them suffer on behalf of a stripey bit of fabric.

There's a reason the men with the forked tongues sold us the narrative of globalism vs nationalism. Even the lesser evil calls for us to worship a false idol and make immense sacrifice to it.

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
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Right now shit is escalating so rapidly in the culture war that I'm in more of a "Holy fuck get me out of here now" mentality.

I've also been working through the audio book of the Gulag Archipelago and that book is driving home how utterly terrifying and nightmarish life under a true leftist regime is. I highly recommend it to anyone who is thinking shit isn't that bad.
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I haven't posted in awhile because I needed a break which turned out to be over a year.

Prognosis: Everything is gay in U.S. culture. Jews control the U.S. same as always. Trump turns out to be the perfect not so secret trojan horse zionist shill.

Not terribly surprising to be honest.

I said way back that Jews would just own everything in the U.S. anyways because the alt right vs the jewish establishment is like Mike Tyson in his prime fighting some random faggot on the street. I don't even want to say "I told you so" but I will, so fuck it. I said that they would crack down everywhere when they felt threatened. A people who sort of look like you and can breed with you literally control your society and have fucked you over.

This is only a big surprise to U.S. citizens to be honest but everyone else in the world has known about this for awhile now.
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(06-13-2019 09:35 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 05:04 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 04:52 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 01:35 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  I've studied a huge amount of all kinds of US history. Neither of the 2 choices you are offering is accurate in my view. Here's my guess:

#3 -- Armed citizens hold a small localized insurrection or march on Washington. Similar to the yellow vests in France. This scares Congress and wipes out the old guard, new congress members are elected who are sympathetic to the cause of the insurrectionists, and the lumbering beast of US Federal government changes course. Meanwhile society does a u-turn away from the sexual revolution, towards puritan sexual repression and religious fundementalism, Mormons, Christians, and other religious groups (conservative Sikhs, Hindus, Catholics, some muslims) join together and start radically supressing Gays/Trans ideology. Hollywood and internet are re-censored. High tech firms like Facebook and Google get wildy fucked by government. Women dump feminism and go towards having children (panic as birth rate has dropped too much). Trump is seen as imperfect but the catalyst for all this.

Members of Rooshvforum find out that all of the above is nowhere near as much fun as they thought it would be.

But historically was the US run by a hostile alien elite in the way it is now? The people of the three parentheses that control everything now would sooner see it all burn before giving up their privileged position in society and going back to being simple shtetl Jews making their matzo balls to sell at the market.

The CIA already admitted our tax dollars were used to support ISIS and Al Qaeda in Syria, which then in turn tortured and killed Christians in the most barbaric way possible.

So why would we expect our govt. to not do the same and import these kinds of people here in the USA to save their own necks if they are willing to do it for some oil land.

The USA MrLemon grew up in is LONG gone. Hell, the USA I grew up in in the 1980's and 1990's is LONG gone. This is a mess never seen before, the closest was the Roman empire right before it collapsed.

If you want to throw your hands in the air and declare "all is lost" then feel free. You will find few joining you.

I'm not throwing my hands up and giving up hope, I am simply addressing the situation as is. For whatever reason, this subject drives home deeply in me and I have put a lot of time into researching it and learning about it.

You mention the yellow vest protests. You do realize they have had people die, they have been protesting for 6 months straight, and they have not accomplished one thing? So I hope that if your version comes to fruition that it is much more successful.

Anyway, my point is that the country is too divided to come together without some kind of battle and to just march to DC and demand a change. BTW, due to demographic changes we have about 10 years until our guns are taken from us, so we have 10 years or so until the time runs out. Here is how I would break down the nation.

10% - RooshV - American Nationalist. These are the people who realize voting does no good and that the only way to change is through action. DC is nothing but a political show and distraction, and no matter who wins the election, the same team wins and the same team loses.

40% - NPC Right - Trump voters who follow silly things like "Q" and think that Trump is winning the country back for them. I think they can eventually be moved into the 10% above, but the conditioning and the false faith in our electoral system must be changed in the next 10 years and it isn't looking good.

20% - NPC Left - Deep down people who simply never grew up. They HATE responsibility. If you try to talk to them about issues, not politicians and gossip, their eyes will get glossy and you can tell they no longer are listening to you. It seems nothing can break through to them. They simply don't want to be responsible and just the sight of seeing other people be responsible seems to offend them. They believe they are morally superior because they vote to take other people's income and give it to whom they deem to deserve it more. I see no way to compromise with these people and due to Marxist brainwashing in our schools their numbers are growing.

25% - Welfare Class - These people simply want to live off others and will find every reason or excuse to do so. In some cases they actually make a great point. If we are going to keep flooding the country with legal immigrants to drive down wages and destroy job opportunities, then why break your back. But for the most part they are just a mob of people the elites can stir up in a moments notice, full of rage and hate without a reason for it, to attack on behalf of the elites.

5% - Immigrant class. I think these people would just move back home if shit hit the fan. Or they will just stay on the sidelines waiting for a side to win and then determing whether to stay here or go back home. Can't blame them, but I don't see many of them joining either side.

So we are about 50/50. Most those on the left actually think the move to globalism is a good thing and would rather support DC as Trump goes down in 2020 or by 2024 the Democrats run the country top to bottom.

The most peaceful solution at that point is to break the country apart. But that is extremely unlikely and would only come if those on the right first put up a good fight and made this comprimise worth while to the elites whom will be safely behind secure walls.
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(06-14-2019 06:18 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 09:35 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 05:04 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 04:52 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 01:35 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  I've studied a huge amount of all kinds of US history. Neither of the 2 choices you are offering is accurate in my view. Here's my guess:

#3 -- Armed citizens hold a small localized insurrection or march on Washington. Similar to the yellow vests in France. This scares Congress and wipes out the old guard, new congress members are elected who are sympathetic to the cause of the insurrectionists, and the lumbering beast of US Federal government changes course. Meanwhile society does a u-turn away from the sexual revolution, towards puritan sexual repression and religious fundementalism, Mormons, Christians, and other religious groups (conservative Sikhs, Hindus, Catholics, some muslims) join together and start radically supressing Gays/Trans ideology. Hollywood and internet are re-censored. High tech firms like Facebook and Google get wildy fucked by government. Women dump feminism and go towards having children (panic as birth rate has dropped too much). Trump is seen as imperfect but the catalyst for all this.

Members of Rooshvforum find out that all of the above is nowhere near as much fun as they thought it would be.

But historically was the US run by a hostile alien elite in the way it is now? The people of the three parentheses that control everything now would sooner see it all burn before giving up their privileged position in society and going back to being simple shtetl Jews making their matzo balls to sell at the market.

The CIA already admitted our tax dollars were used to support ISIS and Al Qaeda in Syria, which then in turn tortured and killed Christians in the most barbaric way possible.

So why would we expect our govt. to not do the same and import these kinds of people here in the USA to save their own necks if they are willing to do it for some oil land.

The USA MrLemon grew up in is LONG gone. Hell, the USA I grew up in in the 1980's and 1990's is LONG gone. This is a mess never seen before, the closest was the Roman empire right before it collapsed.

If you want to throw your hands in the air and declare "all is lost" then feel free. You will find few joining you.

I'm not throwing my hands up and giving up hope, I am simply addressing the situation as is. For whatever reason, this subject drives home deeply in me and I have put a lot of time into researching it and learning about it.

You mention the yellow vest protests. You do realize they have had people die, they have been protesting for 6 months straight, and they have not accomplished one thing? So I hope that if your version comes to fruition that it is much more successful.

Anyway, my point is that the country is too divided to come together without some kind of battle and to just march to DC and demand a change. BTW, due to demographic changes we have about 10 years until our guns are taken from us, so we have 10 years or so until the time runs out. Here is how I would break down the nation.

10% - RooshV - American Nationalist. These are the people who realize voting does no good and that the only way to change is through action. DC is nothing but a political show and distraction, and no matter who wins the election, the same team wins and the same team loses.

40% - NPC Right - Trump voters who follow silly things like "Q" and think that Trump is winning the country back for them. I think they can eventually be moved into the 10% above, but the conditioning and the false faith in our electoral system must be changed in the next 10 years and it isn't looking good.

20% - NPC Left - Deep down people who simply never grew up. They HATE responsibility. If you try to talk to them about issues, not politicians and gossip, their eyes will get glossy and you can tell they no longer are listening to you. It seems nothing can break through to them. They simply don't want to be responsible and just the sight of seeing other people be responsible seems to offend them. They believe they are morally superior because they vote to take other people's income and give it to whom they deem to deserve it more. I see no way to compromise with these people and due to Marxist brainwashing in our schools their numbers are growing.

25% - Welfare Class - These people simply want to live off others and will find every reason or excuse to do so. In some cases they actually make a great point. If we are going to keep flooding the country with legal immigrants to drive down wages and destroy job opportunities, then why break your back. But for the most part they are just a mob of people the elites can stir up in a moments notice, full of rage and hate without a reason for it, to attack on behalf of the elites.

5% - Immigrant class. I think these people would just move back home if shit hit the fan. Or they will just stay on the sidelines waiting for a side to win and then determing whether to stay here or go back home. Can't blame them, but I don't see many of them joining either side.

So we are about 50/50. Most those on the left actually think the move to globalism is a good thing and would rather support DC as Trump goes down in 2020 or by 2024 the Democrats run the country top to bottom.

The most peaceful solution at that point is to break the country apart. But that is extremely unlikely and would only come if those on the right first put up a good fight and made this comprimise worth while to the elites whom will be safely behind secure walls.

I agree with your assessment of the different groups, but I'm still sayin...secession will never happen. 100-to-1 against.

The only way to secede is to amend the constitution. To amend the constitution you need 75% of the states to agree. If 75% of the states get together and agree on anything, they are NOT going to agree to let a smaller group of states secede. They'll agree to amend the constitution to fuck over the people hoping to secede. They'll make secession harder, not easier. That's fundamental human nature.

Oh sure, you could try to secede with armed revolt. Remember 1861? That was tried once. We leveled their entire economy, killed off 25% of their male population, and *then* went to work on em.

Could the US become a police state? Sure. Using the military to suppress insurrection? Sure. Secession? Nope.

We were in much, much worse shape during the Great Depression or the Civil War era, than we are now. The current crop of disagreement isn't even especially violent compared to other times. You guys are all over-dramatizing to huge extent, and underestimating how much force the federal government is willing to use to preserve the integrity of the country.

Quote:The most peaceful solution at that point is to break the country apart.

LOL. Americans never choose the most peaceful solution. This is about power.
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(06-13-2019 05:04 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  ..

The USA MrLemon grew up in is LONG gone. Hell, the USA I grew up in in the 1980's and 1990's is LONG gone. This is a mess never seen before, the closest was the Roman empire right before it collapsed.

That analogy is patently ridiculous. The “official” fall of the Western Roman Empire was nowhere near as groundbreaking or shocking as most armchair historians believe. Our times are far more fucked. 476 was not ever widely perceived to be a momentous event by those who lived in those times. It is modern historians, starting primarily with Edward Gibbon, who read that in. Even if it had been so traumatic, less than two decades after Odoacer deposed Romulus Augustulus, Theoderic, sent by the Roman Eastern Emperor Zeno, wrested back control and ruled almost the same as a normal Roman Emperor would have. His civic and religious building works, especially in places like Ravenna in the north, were spectacular and on par with most competent or above-competent Roman emperors.

Most Germanic/“barbarian” leaders across the successor kingdoms only superficially changed things. The Ostrogothic kings (who never called themselves “Eastern” Goths) ruled more or less like Romans in Italy, as did the Visigoths (who never called themselves “Western” Goths) first in Gaul and then in Spain. They used the same old Roman provincial boundaries more or less to mark out the kingdoms that followed the Western Roman Empire. Proving this point further, the Franks, who had some but comparatively little intimate history with the Romans, heavily utilized the Romano-Gallic educated classes when they kicked the Visigoths into Spain and took over modern-day France. Governance everywhere took on significantly Roman models. Yes, change did happen, yet the idea of collapse is false on so many levels.

In fact, the continuity was so marked that when the Eastern Emperor Justinian, based in Constantinople/modern Istanbul, tried to reconquer Italy in the 530s, the otherwise ethnically Roman inhabitants of southern and central Italy were more inclined to support the nominally Germanic rulers (who themselves were basically half-breeds as intermarriage between Roman and Gothic aristocracy was so epidemic). The Justinian armies routinely slaughtered the same people they were trying to “free”, such was the obstinence they faced.

The impending collapse of the US/decline and fall of the West can in no sense be compared to Rome.

Why?

Mass demographic change never happened in the late Roman Empire
The vast majority of citizens - whether in Gaul, Britain, Hispania or North Africa - remained Romans. Those in Gaul etc might have had their own provincial identities to an extent, but the ethnic mix remained Romanized, Romanized, Romanized - did I mention Romanized? No mass replacement of peoples, like we see in the US/Europe in 2019, ever took place. The Germanic leaders were often descended from Romans, too (e.g., King Huneric of the Vandals was both a Vandal and a Theodosian Roman). The “barbarians” (I hate this word) conspicuously sought Roman legitimacy whether through blood or customs.

The Vandals were the only group who attempted mass societal change
...and this only lasted two or three generations. The Vandals did try mass persecution of local Roman elites in North Africa in the 400s (executions and land seizures) and were merciless at times in attacking Nicene Christians (those who believed that God, Christ and the Holy Spirit were parts of the same whole, just as Catholics do today). But they stopped/were forced into stopping once Geiseric died.

Immigration was managed in Late Western Roman times and usually successful
Only the Vandals seized and occupied Roman territory without permission, unless we also count the Lombards taking parts of Italy in the 550s onwards (because the Eastern Romans had fucked things up by fighting the Gothic-Romans). From Theodosius’ settlement with the Goths in 378, two years after his predecessor Valens died at Adrianople, “barbarian” settlement within Roman territory was a matter of compromise and actually beneficial to both parties. Compare this to the fucking drain of mass illegal immigration in Europe and the US. There is no comparison! Alaric, Gundobad etc, whether Gothic, Frankish, or McFrankishwhopperburgundianses, were fifteen million leagues above the migrant caravan (cartel) leaders or the Arabic gang rape leaders trekking into Germany, Spain or Italy nowadays.

Any drastic change was rarely permanent and was usually hyped up (centuries later) - general stability prevailed
Alaric’s sacking of Rome in 410 was meh and things got back to normal quite quickly. The 455 Vandal sacking was longer but still ended rapidly and was less awful than is believed. Romulus Augustulus was allowed to live in 476. There a plenty of examples that demonstrate the era, whilst interrupted by certain events, was mostly one of reverting back to a baseline of “life goes on”.

The Dark Ages were largely a myth
Yes, some old books from pre-476 were found by later erudite people hundreds of years afterwards, implying (falsely) that a lot of bad shit happened between 476 and the Middle Ages in Western Europe. But educated people never ceased to exist from 476 onwards. Despite the majority of people not being formally educated, entire cohorts of scribes, clergymen, and other literary folks diligently served whole careers with Germanic (really better described as joint Romano-Germanic) successor states. Latin was everywhere. Ironically, if a dark age existed, it was in the 500s/600s in Britain. The Angles, Jutes and Saxons had had virtually no contact with the Romans, unlike the more civilized (and Romanized) Goths, Sueves, Vandals (for a time), Burgundians, Franks etc.

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(06-15-2019 01:53 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  I agree with your assessment of the different groups, but I'm still sayin...secession will never happen. 100-to-1 against.

The only way to secede is to amend the constitution. To amend the constitution you need 75% of the states to agree. If 75% of the states get together and agree on anything, they are NOT going to agree to let a smaller group of states secede. They'll agree to amend the constitution to fuck over the people hoping to secede. They'll make secession harder, not easier. That's fundamental human nature.

Oh sure, you could try to secede with armed revolt. Remember 1861? That was tried once. We leveled their entire economy, killed off 25% of their male population, and *then* went to work on em.

Could the US become a police state? Sure. Using the military to suppress insurrection? Sure. Secession? Nope.

We were in much, much worse shape during the Great Depression or the Civil War era, than we are now. The current crop of disagreement isn't even especially violent compared to other times. You guys are all over-dramatizing to huge extent, and underestimating how much force the federal government is willing to use to preserve the integrity of the country.

Quote:The most peaceful solution at that point is to break the country apart.

LOL. Americans never choose the most peaceful solution. This is about power.

The Great Depression was a group of like minded individuals banding together to help each other survive. The Civil War was damn brutal, but where we are heading will make it look like a peaceful solution.

What we face is beyond a disaster anything I can think of to compare it to historically. Which is the reason that Roosh and many of us remaining on this board have turned to the "God pill". There seems to be little to no hope left on earth and we are now trying to savage something beyond it.

Most of the people your age are not fully aware of how divided the young people are. Even I am shocked and I am only in my early 40's. Things have gotten drastically more amped up since I was a kid and I blame that 100% on the Marxist school system stirring up hate and jealousy and victimhood mentality.
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