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Quote:The truth: Left is a lot more organized & prepared for violence than Right is, and has the advantage of a mainstream more supportive of it.

You think that's unfair? Okay, well: *imagine an abortion clinic bombing ring getting presidential clemency.* http://www.cnn.com/US

Imagine an abortion clinic bomber *getting a comfortable job at an elite university.* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardine_Dohrn

Outrageous, right? No way the Right could get away with that. But the Left does! And the press gives them cover.

I know I'm not supposed to be talking about political violence (I only just got back to 0% warning level). But allow me to elude to what the right needs to be focussing on.

Quote:And the press gives them cover.

Quote:And the press gives them cover.

Quote:And the press gives them cover.

Violence is dangerous and can easily void your future. Obviously if someone feels they are forced to use it in the defence of their society then it ought to be targeted as effectively as possible.
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All that is needed is to have George Soros and other financial backers sentenced and imprisoned. Doubt the average lefty would even care since they are incapable of connecting the dots. Trump will do the same with the funders of the far left extremism/domestic terrorism that he pledged to do with ISIS. Cut off their supply of money and watch them collapse upon themselves. And add anyone arrested with ties to BLM to a no-fly list. Bet the nonsense stops real fast then.
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(01-23-2017 03:36 AM)Tex Wrote:  In these kinds of events we need to start acting and mobilizing, not just talking about how the other side acts and mobilizes.

That means we don't wait for a war, we prevent it by preparing for it now.

That means right now we:

1. Financially pool our resources back into friendly institutions, namely federal agencies with actual oversight by the President.

2. Organize instead of talking about organizing. PM locals on this forum and get in contact with people motivated enough to plan, meet, and execute watchdog groups. Check on local happenings on the Internet, integrate with local neighborhood watch, and keep your eyes and ears open. Anytime you hear radical leftist or otherwise revolutionary talk, report it. See something? Say something.

3. Train now in basic skills that you can use to beat back minor resistance acts near you. If you're in a major city, start an anti-riot league that will take time to assemble on a major protest spot and keep the peace. Police can only do so much. Also learn to shoot in a combat situation (don't get tactical, keep it simple and get the basics), read up on local self-defense laws, learn some basics in a full-contact fighting style and have a plan for what to do if a riot happens. Remember, they use protests to sneak in strategically-placed riots that quickly become vanilla guerrilla attacks on important infrastructural targets in America. If we let these become more common place than they are, then they will become literal killing sprees. Think machete-wielding radicals in Bangladesh.

4. Call them out. Publicly say anti-fa is a terrorist group. Start a petition asking the White House to label them as such. Stop hiding behind anonymous names when it comes to talking pro-nationalism in mainstream social media. We won. Act like it. We must assert ourselves.

5. Learn how to organize. Learn how to free up time to be a part of something. Improve your life so you can be motivated to keep up with it. And work out the logistics with others. This is something we all need to improve on.

We have to do these things now.

No offence, but putting money and trust into the federal government is insane. You're one election/assassination from having all those levers of power turned against you.

And going head to head with leftists on the street is not a winning strategy right now. Trump won because (in part) these frothing SJWs had totally alienated normal Americans. Most people just want to get on with their lives and they will either knuckle under or toss out the trouble makers. People realised the SJW stuff was never going to end and in fact was getting more and more insane, so when knuckling under was out of the question they tossed out the trouble makers. Don't become a "trouble maker". You will be seen by the uncommitted as part of the problem.

Trump can handle the streets and the political broad strokes. Leave that to law enforcement. The average citizen ought to be ready with all the tools and training he needs to bring pain when the time is right, but now the best action he can take is to keep doing what won Trump the election. Hold the moral high ground and ceaselessly reveal these left wingers for the lunatics they are.

BUT! All anger and righteous frustration needs to be levelled in one direction and one direction only. THE OLD MEDIA.

They are on the ropes and are largely hated by all sides at this point. By the left because they are elite (whether they support the left or not) and by the right for obvious reasons.

The OLD MEDIA should bear the full brunt of any and all right wing fury. Give them no respite. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week they have to be ridiculed and undermined. "Old media", "corporate media", "the lying media", "presstitutes", lugenpress".

They are the only force holding the raggedy pricks on the left together. They are the only ones pushing the grander narratives and even as we speak they are slandering Trump's administration with lies and deceit.

I'm sorry, but they have to go.
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I agree with his statement that the left is currently better able to dish out and absorb violence. The right only really began to fight back for real recently.

But his analysis leaves out the power of social media, I think, where we expose these people and make them look ridiculous or worse, terroristic. The best thing to do now is to build local infrastructure (remember the meetup outrage?) and get the police, who are on our side, to go after them with good footage. Record their violent acts and send tips to the cops and grassroots squads like Wesearcher.

I agree with Scorpion too that if push came to shove and an all out war came, these people would lose fast. It isn't a coincidence that they've been targeting the police with greater intensity (though the worst of it has now passed since BLM inspired cop killings last year) and trying to gut the military with social engineering experiments (let's hope Trump and Mattis shut that shit down fast).

As for the CIA, I don't agree it aligns with the left. I just think it wants to do what it does best overseas - destabilize places. The higher ups there hated Trump because he threatens that.

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It is worth doing more research if you think the CIA is just destabilizing other countries. A lot of people involved in the US countercultural revolution, like Ken Kesey and Jerry Garcia were involved with the CIA by their own admission.
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The CIA was involved in "modern art," feminism, and all that, but even that was directed somewhat the Soviet Union for some warped reason. They were involved in the counter culture but I hesitate to say it was for a particularly "ideological" purpose in terms of taking sides. Though you could argue it's only the result that matters.

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Don't think it was for an ideological purpose. From what information is verifiable it seems they were only interested in anything that could destabilize the US social structure and/or make people more malleable.

Gnostic Media has some videos where they've done an excellent job of researching the backgrounds and activities of the people involved in creating the hippie culture. It goes even deeper than that to where today's leftist/antifa types are a direct, intentional result of that work.
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(01-23-2017 04:48 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  No offence, but putting money and trust into the federal government is insane. You're one election/assassination from having all those levers of power turned against you.

You forget about Trump's assassination insurance in Mike "Love Cock Get Shocked" Pence.

(01-23-2017 04:48 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  And going head to head with leftists on the street is not a winning strategy right now. Trump won because (in part) these frothing SJWs had totally alienated normal Americans. Most people just want to get on with their lives and they will either knuckle under or toss out the trouble makers. People realised the SJW stuff was never going to end and in fact was getting more and more insane, so when knuckling under was out of the question they tossed out the trouble makers. Don't become a "trouble maker". You will be seen by the uncommitted as part of the problem.

Totally agree we shouldn't be looking for trouble, but rioting is becoming a normalization tactic. We have to stop it by injecting a real presence.

If there's a protest, we need to counter-protest and have a presence there. If the protestors are the only ones in a city, they will take every opportunity to escalate and burn the city down. It hurts our country and if it gets too serious it will become regular outright attacks. If lots of us are simply around, these will be tempered. But if you do that, you also have to not be a pussy and know how to react to one radical protestor punching you in the face.

(01-23-2017 04:48 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Trump can handle the streets and the political broad strokes. Leave that to law enforcement.

We elected Trump. We are Trump's power.

(01-23-2017 04:48 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  BUT! All anger and righteous frustration needs to be levelled in one direction and one direction only. THE OLD MEDIA.

God damn right.

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So all this tells me is we need to keep organizing ourselves better. We need to try to do some meet-ups again this year, but instead of under the ROK banner we could easily just organize Young Republican meetup groups and go from there.
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I think people need to realize that this isn't a new situation, we've seen this story before, it is essentially every marxist and bolshevik uprising ever. How do you think the couple thousand jews overthrew the Czar in Russia? You've seen it all play out before your eyes, one day it was the Bolshevik stormtroopers - the Antifa - the next day the stupid sheep mob - the Women's March.

This is how they do it. Right down to the Jewish financiers - Soros - this is how it has been done in every Bolshevik revolution.

The big game changer is the internet.

How did the few couple thousand jews win over the Czar? They had the advantage of being first movers and the advantage of propaganda. The newspapers were jewish owned and told the people what the Bolsheviks wanted.

Look at all the women marching, that is the useful idiots, but now we have the internet so we can counter this propaganda. The antifas can do nothing unless the masses are manipulated to take to the streets.

We saw Ukraine play out in real life, that is how it will happen, a core of professional thugs/mercenaries, paid for by Soros, media will spin it like they did in Ukraine and stupid masses of people, mostly women will legitimize it by marching along with it.
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Ignoring the role played by elements in the Czarist government to deliberately foment revolution for a peace deal with Germany and the role of the German government in financing Lenin wasn't mentioned, making your picture incomplete.

Be aware of confirmation bias when comparing historical events to today.

Infiltrating these leftist groups and gathering evidence of illegal activities to pass on to the police might be a good idea. Citizen stings, maybe.

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The left can shake things up horribly if we let them. We need to help Trump do what he does and MAGA while keeping stability.

If we go towards instability, everything we did gets undone.

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A couple things that stood out to me from the tweets:

Quote:So if you tell me that I'm a Nazi, and tell me people I respect are Nazis, and tell me you're in favor of going out and beating up Nazis......guess what? I AM SUDDENLY VERY INTERESTED IN THE PHYSICAL SAFETY OF NAZIS.

Quote:"What's the penalty for kicking the living shit out of Leftist protestors?"
"Oh, Jesus, we'd be demonized as Nazis."
"...what'll they do if we *don't* kick the living shit out of Leftist protestors?"
"They'll -- *hmmmmmmm....*"

Good points.

What I've seen going on this election cycle is that the left is saying that it's okay to beat someone up if they're an extremist - and then deciding that normal people who don't agree with them are extremists. The left (and sadly, even some of my libertarian friends) have reacted to the Richard Spencer sucker punch with jokes about "punching Nazis". Richard Spencer is not necessarily a great guy, but the fact that he was assaulted by a liberal, who was then cheered on by other liberals, for disagreeing with liberals, is not a good sign for the country. When more normal people are treated like this by leftists, (and many already have been) it will push them farther to the right. Then imagine if the right starts pushing back:


Could get very polarizing. I don't think we'll see a civil war, but possibly widespread riots/fights in major cities.

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It's not true though, because in the religion of "the cathedral" I've not heard of extremism being a sin so much as racism being the great sin.

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(01-22-2017 09:14 PM)scorpion Wrote:  An interesting analysis. I think he overestimates the effectiveness of the militant left (antifa). Just because they are presently more organized and enjoy greater institutional support does not mean that will translate into operational effectiveness. The entire basis of guerilla warfare lies in turning those perceived advantages into liabilities. Their organizations can be infiltrated. Their members sleep in a bed somewhere at night like anyone else. The institutions that support them are staffed by people with families. A dozen undisciplined twenty-somethings throwing Molotov cocktails are dangerous sure, but they're not more dangerous than four guys who grew up together, trust each other with their lives and who have been shooting rifles since childhood. Once those guys decide the time to spill blood has arrived, they're going to bring violence to bear far that is far disproportionate to their numbers. A four-man fire team with moderate tactical training can kill dozens of people in minutes and likely disappear on motorcycles before the cops arrive. And after a few shootouts with fire teams that don't escape that wind up with dozens of cops dead, you can be sure that cops will be in no hurry to respond to such happenings in the future.

What is the left going to do if/when all of its institutions are being targeted by literal right wing death squads of this sort? Are they going to have their legions of emaciated, faggoty antifa stand outside and throw bricks at them? How will the leftist media respond when journalists start being dragged out of their beds and shot in the street? Where will the left gather when the universities have been shut down due to repeated mass shootings and assassinations of leftist professors and agitators? I think the left will lose its appetite for violence very quickly in the face of such opposition. The left is essentially a bully operation. Its success relies entirely on its targets not fighting back and being gradually cowed into submission until they accept the demands of the leftists. They are unprepared for direct confrontation. They only play at violence. They don't know what ultraviolence means. They don't know what horrors await them when they summon the ancestral bloodlust from the hearts of formerly peaceful men. They simply can't comprehend the hellstorm that will be unleashed upon them when the Saxon begins to hate.

The Anonymous Conservative (r/K selection theory guy) has been echoing this sentiment for quite awhile now and suspects that the clash will be inevitable, seemingly with some glee.

As much as I really don't want to believe that his r/K selection theory to be correct, the recent events have started to convince me that his theory may truly be correct, which does lead to some very dreadful implications.
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(01-23-2017 04:41 AM)Razor Beast Wrote:  All that is needed is to have George Soros and other financial backers sentenced and imprisoned. Doubt the average lefty would even care since they are incapable of connecting the dots. Trump will do the same with the funders of the far left extremism/domestic terrorism that he pledged to do with ISIS. Cut off their supply of money and watch them collapse upon themselves. And add anyone arrested with ties to BLM to a no-fly list. Bet the nonsense stops real fast then.

President Trump's DOJ needs to declare Soros' Open Society Foundation and any other NGO that finances civil unrest across state lines a RICO or terrorist organization. Arrest board members and seize assets. Turn off their money and these snowflakes will pick up a shovel to build the wall just like everyone else.
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Old post from /pol/:

Quote:Former red team planner for the government here. If there was a revolution in the US, the rest of the world would get involved, fast. Depending on the type of uprising, there is a large chance that it would not be a quick affair. It would be brutal, it would be bloody, and the US government could start a global scale war. Here are the top ten issues that came up.

1) The US power grid can be taken down by a series of “surgical strikes” with the exception of the Texas grid. By surgical strikes, I mean a few marksmen (US army-tier Marksmen–the minimum requirement) hitting certain spots on the grid would fuck a lot of the military and government because they need the grid more than Bubba and his friends do. Additionally, while all government agencies have backup generators, they will be hard pressed dealing with the resultant looting and other madness that would come with power outages. This would effectively create another front for the military. It would also turn the people against the government more quickly and paralyze the government’s propaganda machine. Worse still–the key points of the US power grid are publicly obtainable information, and not only are the points too many to be effectively guarded, they are not guarded anyway.

2) The estimated desertion rate in case of a civil war is 75% in the case of a left-wing president. 50% of that would be assumed to immediately betray the president. The remaining (treasonous) military would be fighting its own. Yet another front created in the war. Additionally, there is an assumed 25-50% desertion or outright betrayal rate in three letter government agencies (FBI, CIA, NSA, ATC, TSA, etc.). Additionally, it is assumed that 5% of the initial 50% betrayers would stay in their job and become saboteurs. 10% of that 50% would contain key information that would be of critical danger to the US government. Of that 10%, 1% would be able to deliver that information to the US’ foreign enemies. What you should get from this is that the second the United States government declares war on its own is the second it ceases to exist as the state we know it.

3) “Tea baggers,” “right-wing extremists,” and “oath keepers” which are considered untrained racists who aren’t “good with a gun” often are A) veterans who now have more time to have fun at the range, sometimes more than some Army units or Marine units. In addition to previous military training, B) often camp and do other outdoor activities–more than many in the military do, as the focus has gone away from field exercises, and C) often have better equipment–outside of armor and heavy weapons–than the military. However, C) is kind of irrelevant because many of the places in which these people could hide would make the kind of war the US fights with the equipment they use pointless.

4) Outside influence is a huge problem. Russia has already stated they would back a Texas separatist movement, and right now we already have enough problem keeping Islam in check. The second the US has to fight in a “civil war” is the second it becomes a proxy war between NATO and whoever wants to mess with America. While America has amazing nuclear and air defense, if it comes to a civil war you have to assume that in a best cast scenario the US military is going to be operating at 50% capacity at best. Shit would go down. Hard. And fast. And if Russia–spoiler alert: one of the best militaries in the world at fighting in an urban environment–sent trainers and helpers to rebels, you can reliably bet that they would also possibly deliver weapons to them. So instead of fighting “Timmy TeaBagger,” you are fighting “Timmy TeaBagger who is buddies with Vlad.”

5) A civil war is not just the US versus the rebels. There will be looting. There will be rioting. Cities will burn. The National Guard cannot fight both the rebels and rioters in a city that would also cut off their supplies. Additionally, if you don’t think that the rebels will send in instigators into the cities–or worse, stand alone actors (A Lone Wolf on steroids. Think Timothy McVeigh, but instead of one van they have a whole fleet of them. A good movie example would be Bane)–you would be mistaken. If the US government cannot even help its own people, why would its own people support the remaining (treasonous) military? Worse yet, if someone emptied out prisons (There are more prisoners in the US than there are people in the entire Chinese Army), you would have more crime than the police could ever handle.

6) Logistics and infrastructure in the US are crumbling and failing. Any war fought against a rebellion in the US would be a logistical nightmare, even before the rebels started going full Al-Qaida and putting IEDs in the road. A retired general who was contracting with us on the team said, “The only thing holding together the US’ infrastructure is duct tape and the will of the Department of Transportation. And often enough, there isn't enough duct tape.” Your most loyal cities to the US government, as we polled, are also the most logistically easy to cut off. NYC? San Fran? L.A.? D.C.? Baltimore? Most of them require crossing water to enter, from certain directions. Most of them have critical airports. Some of them have critical ocean ports. If anything happened to just TWO of the cities on the list, it would create a logistical clusterfuck.

7) Your “Johnny Reb” and “Timmy TeaBagger” states (i.e., “red” states) all have something most of your “oh so progressive,” “Aren’t we so European,” “Oh my god, we are just like Sweden,” blue states don’t. Blues are mainly consumer states. Reds are producer states. Urban areas don’t have farms. The second that shit goes down, realize a lot of those blue areas are likely to starve. In a civil war scenario, we predicted that at least 10,000 people would die of starvation if the war was not finished in a year. The numbers get worse after that. Or better, rather, for the country after the war.

8) The US has way too many choke points, and the government forces would often be on the wrong side of them. This ties into the logistical nightmare, but it also has to do with an odd phenomena. Liberals like to live near the ocean. Many of the dividers of the country, like the Rocky Mountains, the Mississippi River, Appalachia, the Missouri River (fun fact: the biggest choke point for the US government is in Missouri) are red state areas. Sure, air travel is a thing, but a majority of the US government's needs would have to travel by ground. Even still, many of the major airports are outside of the city. Of course, the US would use military base air fields, but if civil war did break out… which bases would be safe? Which ones would have fallen to the deserters?

9) PR Nightmare. Every rebel killed on CNN would be spun as “the US government killed X Civilians today in a strike” on foreign news and pirate media not owned by the government. That is–as pointed out earlier–if the US media could even function in a civil war or uprising. Your “rebel scum” know that the main thing that holds together the US–nay life in the US as we know it–is the 24 hour news cycle and the media. The second it's gone, you are going to have urban anarchy. If you are from America, can you imagine a day without TV, newspaper, or Internet? Your average urban youth can’t. If you don’t think that isn’t going to cause rioting, you must have a real high regard for how much restraint they have. Assume in a civil war that your ability to talk to the people is compromised. Also assume that in the case of a civil war that rebels may know how to monitor conversations like the US does, as there are manuals online on how to do so.

10) This one is either 1 or 10, depending on who is asked. The US will never nuke its own. The second it does, they have lost the civil war and other countries will come to “liberate” the US from its own “repressive regime.” Additionally, if any general, minuteman, nuke tech, or nuke sub captain decided to side with the rebellion, the US government is immediately SOL.

In short: The second that a “civilian uprising” or “extremist group terrorist attack” turns into “civil war” is the second the US loses. As a result, you will never see a civil war. You will see Waco, you will see Bundy Ranch, you will see all sorts of militant group confrontations and maybe even some skirmishes. But the US government fears its own people way the fuck too much to ever start a civil war.
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RE: The path to Civil War 2 (USA)
I don't think people realize just how much left wing violence occurred in the 1970s alone.

Quote:“People have completely forgotten that in 1972 we had over nineteen hundred domestic bombings in the United States.” — Max Noel, FBI (ret.)

The storify author does an EXTENSIVE review on "Days Of Rage" which was where radical left wing groups not only bombed San Francisco once a week for nine months, they committed mass shootings, robberies, and chaos. Everything from Puerto Rican seperatists to offshoots of the Black Panthers known as the Weathermen who were killing people in broad daylight trying to bring about an actual civil war.


Quote:Days of Rage is important, because this stuff is forgotten and it shouldn’t be. The 1970s underground wasn’t small. It was hundreds of people becoming urban guerrillas. Bombing buildings: the Pentagon, the Capitol, courthouses, restaurants, corporations. Robbing banks. Assassinating police. People really thought that revolution was imminent, and thought violence would bring it about.

One thing that Burrough returns to in Days of Rage, over and over and over, is how forgotten so much of this stuff is. Puerto Rican separatists bombed NYC like 300 times, killed people, shot up Congress, tried to kill POTUS (Truman). Nobody remembers it.

Also, people don’t want to remember how much leftist violence was actively supported by mainstream leftist infrastructure. I’ll say this much for righty terrorist Eric Rudolph: the sonofabitch was caught dumpster-diving in a rare break from hiding in the woods. During his fugitive days, Weatherman’s Bill Ayers was on a nice houseboat paid for by radical lawyers.

Most ’70s of the bombings were done as protest actions. Unlike today’s jihadists, ’70s underground didn’t try to max body count. And ’70s papers didn’t really give a shit. A Puerto Rican group bombed 2 theaters in the Bronx, injuring eleven, in 1970. NYT gave it 6 paragraphs.

What's SHOCKING is that the people who didn't get caught by the police and FBI ended up with positions in academia. Some of them are still teaching right now. Obama just pardoned one of the bombers before he left office actually.

The article that reviews the book is long. Probably at least a 30 minute read, but you will be flabbergasted by it. Until reading it, I had no idea that the 1970s alone was filled with calculated and deliberate violence of this caliber. There's a reason you haven't heard about it.

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^^^

One of the bombers, Bill Ayers, was Obama's mentor and a college professor.

He participated in bombings at NYPD headquarters, the Capitol building, and the pentagon.

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RE: The path to Civil War 2 (USA)
(01-23-2017 10:48 AM)Tex Wrote:  
(01-23-2017 04:48 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  No offence, but putting money and trust into the federal government is insane. You're one election/assassination from having all those levers of power turned against you.

You forget about Trump's assassination insurance in Mike "Love Cock Get Shocked" Pence.

Actually it's Mike "Faggot Medicine from Thomas Edison" Pence.
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Also, kind of a cross-post, but my thoughts on the women's march thread somewhat intersect with this.

I think a civil war is an unlikely, but very real and devastating possibility. But I also don't think there are many peaceful avenues left to truly 'Make America Great Again'. If Trump pulls through on every single one of his promises, and also manages to demolish the media-education propaganda complex, it might be possible to right the ship over the next half-century, but from a pragmatic standpoint, it would be a lot easier if someone put the fear of God into these subversive agitators, antifa thugs and general leftist witch hunters. And there are a lot of highly pragmatic, clandestine patriots in the USA who may very well start taking matters into their own hands if push comes to shove.

(02-26-2015 01:57 PM)delicioustacos Wrote:  They were given immense wealth, great authority, and strong clans at their backs.

AND THEY USE IT TO SHIT ON WHORES!
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There's no chance of a Civil War with a Republican president. Last time the Dems tried to revolt, things did not work out too well for them.

That said, we are going to see MASSIVE Civil Unrest centered around California this year:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-60117.html

^ This thread is to document all Civil Unrest in America

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Quote:What this means: hard Left violence will be *coordinated.* Hard Right violence will be *distributed.*

He's right on there. The Right doesn't get together in a million man marches with pitchforks. If you attack us, or our families, our response will be violent and swift. Conservatives are reactive in nature when it comes to violence. We're not looking for it, but we don't back down from a fight if it is brought to our doorstep.

Lefties do have the cover of the media. Thankfully Trump is doing his very best to hold their feet to the fire. The solution is to create more Breitbarts and others like it, which provide an alternative voice. Just today Spicer announce that three seats are going to be opened up in the press room for Skype journalists such that views beyond the Beltway will be heard.

The left has an advantage of violence in numbers, which can be very intimidating. What they don't have is high IQ on the ground level. I'd still take my odds on Righties in a fight, we just aren't stupid enough to congregate all at once where we become an easy target.

Not to mention, the average leftist is good at vandalism and sucker punches. They aren't so good at tactics, firearms, teamwork, long-term thinking, etc. These are things that are required to win not only battles, but wars. If the left is stupid enough to start WWIII, they will get more than they bargained for.

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(01-23-2017 06:14 PM)Samseau Wrote:  There's no chance of a Civil War with a Republican president. Last time the Dems tried to revolt, things did not work out too well for them.

That said, we are going to see MASSIVE Civil Unrest centered around California this year:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-60117.html

^ This thread is to document all Civil Unrest in America

I think civil unrest in California will weaken the radicals support. People don't want to deal with that shit and live in fear and risk being collateral damage. Shit will get old quick.

Not only that, I think a lot of libs will secretly like the Trump immigration policies. Their neighborhoods will become safer, their kids schools will become better and more efficient, there will be less problems they have to look at, and their property values will rise.

There was just a poll today, 74 percent of Californians want to get rid of sanctuary cities.

A lot of liberals in SF talked about those recent Portland riots like we do.

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Oh, and to Len's point about attacking the media, right on per usual.

My favorite description of the media should be Old Media.

Old sounds tired, depressed, haggard, out-dated, low-tech, out of touch, ready to be supplanted by something new.

Always refer to the MSM as Old Media. Lets meme this into reality.

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I like the idea of starting organization's and groups to form a counterbalance to leftist antifas, but for a righty group to survive they cannot talk about violence whatsoever or at least until the shit has absolutely hit the fan (so basically civil war 2). Righty groups, even if they are benign in nature are guaranteed to be infested with rats. There was one story a poster presented here a ways back, about a right wing group whose top men were almost all undercover law enforcement from a variety of local, state and federal institutions. The poor fuckers at the bottom got sent to jail, while the "leaders" cracked open the champagne and celebrated. These leaders where also the ones to push talk about violence first. The guys in the bottom probably got sent to 95% non-white jail, with a neo Nazi label (Hell on earth for them i'd imagine).

Anyways i'd join a group of likeminded individuals, but as soon as I smelled a whiff of violence talk, I would get the fuck outta there like the roadrunner.
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