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RE: The path to Civil War 2 (USA)
(09-05-2019 12:54 PM)Sherman Wrote:  ...
The concept of "white" is so much made up baloney. If you like in the history books, in the 1890s, Irish were commonly classified in America as black. Even when I was growing up, there was no concept of white. People would identify by their ethnic heritage. I remember my girlfriend was Irish, and her family was extremely displeased that she was dating someone who wasn't Irish. In Europe nationalities still have some meaning, e.g. Italian, Swedish, German, etc., but people don't think of themselves as white.

I want you to imagine you're a Boer in South Africa. You, your wife and your kids have had your hands tied behind your back and Colonel Malaki (he's the one with the aviator glasses and the beret) is ordering his men to pour gasoline into the tires around each of your necks.

Now, in complete earnest I want you to imagine explaining exactly what you've written above to him as a form of defense against his ignorant misconceptions.

The thing is, I don't disagree with your point, but the people who want "white people" dead aren't interested and at the end of the day it doesn't matter what the victim thinks, it only matters what the aggressor thinks.

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It's a stupid concept, but sometimes it's your opponents that define you.

You may not consider yourself white, but believe me the black and brown hordes storming each one of our countries consider us white. And so do the 'chosen people'. And they hate us as such, as the colonizers, the slave masters, whatever. You see, I never owned slaves or colonized anything, and for most of my life I never really thought of myself as white - but the black kids who beat the shit out of me and stole my lunch money when I was a kid thought of me that way.

It doesn't matter if they are mistaken, or if we expose them to boomer peterson liberal individualism - their eyes can see the difference, and hence the difference exists. And they can see it not just in skin color, but behavioral traits. This is why blacks call out blacks who 'act white'. We may want to think there is no such thing, or intellectually it's a muddy concept, but the fact is, our enemies look at us as a separate group and to them it doesn't matter if you're Australian or Austrian, you're still a pale mofo.

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(09-06-2019 02:40 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  It's a stupid concept, but sometimes it's your opponents that define you.
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It's for this reason that I'm becoming less and less worried about a steady decline into irreversible extinction.

I think that just as the devil defeats man with his own sins, I think God defeats the devil the same way. The devil wants to destroy those who most readily hear God and he has mobilized his minions cunning and stupid alike to achieve that, but his minions are alternately too cunning or too dumb for their own good. They're giving the game away and turning the heat up too quickly on the frog. The cunning ones have multiplied and weaponized the dumb ones so completely that they will soon be beyond control.

It would be harder to have faith in God's plan if it weren't basically the only functional option at this point. The more we turn to God the starker the disparity becomes against the hordes of evil and the sooner they will push open conflict that I believe they will lose. I believe that we can trust them in their wrath, envy and pride to trigger the worldly battle of good and evil long before their victory is assured.

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(09-05-2019 11:08 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(09-05-2019 12:54 PM)Sherman Wrote:  ...
The concept of "white" is so much made up baloney. If you like in the history books, in the 1890s, Irish were commonly classified in America as black. Even when I was growing up, there was no concept of white. People would identify by their ethnic heritage. I remember my girlfriend was Irish, and her family was extremely displeased that she was dating someone who wasn't Irish. In Europe nationalities still have some meaning, e.g. Italian, Swedish, German, etc., but people don't think of themselves as white.

I want you to imagine you're a Boer in South Africa. You, your wife and your kids have had your hands tied behind your back and Colonel Malaki (he's the one with the aviator glasses and the beret) is ordering his men to pour gasoline into the tires around each of your necks.

Now, in complete earnest I want you to imagine explaining exactly what you've written above to him as a form of defense against his ignorant misconceptions.

The thing is, I don't disagree with your point, but the people who want "white people" dead aren't interested and at the end of the day it doesn't matter what the victim thinks, it only matters what the aggressor thinks.

Maybe, but convincing them isn't the point.

If you can shatter the narrative on one side it's the rhetorical equivalent of smashing the fences. Were the idea to take off it undermines the control of European thought that such a narrative offers.

Most distinctly, the idea of "white" has no discernable culture, value, or heritage beyond things like Pumpkin spice lattes and spin classes.

The moment you get people becoming proud of their ethnic heritage then you do have distinct achievements that can be proudly attributed to people. Cathedrals, great art of the past, etc. Evoking that imagery is far more powerful and instills a feeling that there's something great worth defending in a way that "white" is utterly incapable of.

Key word bolded. People who understand people know that the way you influence thinking is by playing off subliminal associations. People subliminally associate "white" with trashy girls in yoga pants, smug assholes in suits, and guys from trailer parks wearing wifebeaters. Referencing "polish-americans" or whatever term you come up with evokes images and feelings of classic architecture, art, music, and cathedrals.
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Feelings aren't going to stop the state from taxing you into oblivion or being targeted by the hordes. Feelings are meaningless in war.

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(09-01-2019 12:38 PM)perros Wrote:  
(08-30-2019 10:27 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  When most of the Boomers are dead and no Republican party short of drag-wearing sellouts is capable of courting a Left Wing vote then the center will not be able to hold. Or in other words, when your choices go from "Trump or Bernie" to "Bernie or Kamala" and eventually to "Kamala or Cortez" then white America is going to look toward taking their ball and going home.

The jury is still out on whether they'll be too weak to manage it by then.


I don't think its quite doom and gloom as you are making it out to be.

Remember Boomers were once the SJW's of the 60s. The hippie movement, sexual liberation revolution, everyone smoking pot, protests in college campuses, civil rights movement, etc...

The way I see it, as people age they become more and more conservative. There will always be old people to make a contrast between between the more progressive masses and conservative old people.

Millenials will one day get to 60 and 70 and wont be as liberal as the future generations. Its a cycle.

What will they be conserving?

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(09-06-2019 02:09 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Feelings aren't going to stop the state from taxing you into oblivion or being targeted by the hordes. Feelings are meaningless in war.

If manipulating feelings was as meaningless as you imply then we would never have gotten to this point, nor would they have invested so heavily into the study of mass psychology.

And saying that "feelings are meaningless in war" is the kind of statement that people with limited experience with it say. A huge part of the reason why invasions like the Russian move into Finland and the US move into Afghanistan were complete disasters is because one side was just doing a job and the other side felt a powerful attachment to their culture/homeland that they felt was being existentially threatened.

Our modern society where most are too jaded or too drugged up to feel anything is a big part of the problem.
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Quote:The jury is still out on whether they'll be too weak to manage it by then.

In both the US and Europe, the young men who would be doing the fighting have never been born (family-planned away).

Quote:The demographer Gunnar Heinsohn has invented something called a “war index.” It uses a society’s ratio of men aged 15–19 to men aged 55–59 as a proxy for that society’s likelihood to wage war. It is based on the idea that the group in their late fifties will soon retire, leaving behind a certain number of “places” for the teenagers. The index is not perfect—it takes no account of economic transformation, for instance, or the effect of women in positions of power—but it makes a rough and reliable kind of sense. A low ratio means the field won’t be very crowded for newcomers to the labor market. In Germany, where, as we have said, one generation is about a third smaller than the next, the “war index” is 0.66. Lack of grievances is not the only reason such societies tend to be more pacifistic than the norm. Where families have only one or two children, there is a good chance that a soldier who dies in battle will bring the extinction of his family.41 Heinsohn’s model may help explain why, even at a time of escalating political upheaval and interethnic tension in Europe, violence is still near historic lows.

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(09-06-2019 03:08 PM)N°6 Wrote:  
(09-01-2019 12:38 PM)perros Wrote:  
(08-30-2019 10:27 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  When most of the Boomers are dead and no Republican party short of drag-wearing sellouts is capable of courting a Left Wing vote then the center will not be able to hold. Or in other words, when your choices go from "Trump or Bernie" to "Bernie or Kamala" and eventually to "Kamala or Cortez" then white America is going to look toward taking their ball and going home.

The jury is still out on whether they'll be too weak to manage it by then.


I don't think its quite doom and gloom as you are making it out to be.

Remember Boomers were once the SJW's of the 60s. The hippie movement, sexual liberation revolution, everyone smoking pot, protests in college campuses, civil rights movement, etc...

The way I see it, as people age they become more and more conservative. There will always be old people to make a contrast between between the more progressive masses and conservative old people.

Millenials will one day get to 60 and 70 and wont be as liberal as the future generations. Its a cycle.

What will they be conserving?

Truth and wisdom are eternal. We have to be bombarded constantly in order to be brainwashed against it. The reality is that we're only ever a couple of bad winters away from going back by default to all that stuff the conservatives failed to conserve over the last 70 years.

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Or total extinction ..
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Neither.

If you want a look at the future of the United States, look to the current state of Afghanistan.
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(09-07-2019 02:43 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Neither.

If you want a look at the future of the United States, look to the current state of Afghanistan.

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