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I don't think we'd see a return to those days.

The hippies of that era were raised largely by hard working families and in a sense they lived in a broader culture that wasn't afraid of doing the hard yards and getting its hands dirty.

The modern phone-addicted snowflake is not the same creature as the weather-underground member of yesteryear.

Add to that the Orwellian levels of security we have now? Starting a radically violent left wing movement would either fizzle or be crushed. God forbid they launched a successful attack, the right is not comprised of the same "let the system handle it" types of the 60's either. I would not put it past small teams of motivated veterans not to wipe out these organisations at their next annual meeting.
01-25-2017 11:25 PM
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I'd like to think you're right. However, the worst of the radical bombers of the 60's and 70's were college educated Ivy League types. Read the book I referenced. These kids came from privileged backgrounds. Hell, one of the reasons their townhouse in Manhattan blew up was because the bomb maker knew jack shit about explosives. As for violent lefties nipped in the bud by security, most of the bombings done in the name of NWLF were carried out by two pot heads in California. They didn't stop until one of them went crazy and killed his girlfriend.

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(01-25-2017 03:27 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  ^ Sober up and read the thread over again.


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(01-24-2017 12:46 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  In addition to being short on food and clean water, can you imagine living in the city during urban conflict? Basic services such as trash removal would end after government employees realize that doing your job becomes more dangerous than what it is worth. Massive piles of trash will gather, causing great sickness and demoralization. When you're entire existence is covered in filth, it is hard to keep up morale, even for dirty leftists, they have a breaking point. In Greece, during the height of the crisis, people were literally becoming sick as trash collection was axed. Leftists don't know how to maintain civilization, only to consume what conservatives worked hard to build and protect. Once enough 'maintainers' flee for the doors, all hell will break loose.

Not to mention, any conservatives still in the military can easily inflict massive casualties with long-range artillery, bombs from planes or any other sort of massive munitions targeting an urban area, guaranteeing massive casualties. Leftist morons are in big cities and the whole thing is one big bullseye to point at if things ever really went south. Their constant focus on centralizing populations and political power is their ultimate weakness. Once their power systems break down, they are ducks in the water from external attack forces, and internal rioting, looting and troops abandoning the cause within their own ranks. Only the truly insane leftist actually thinks a civil war would end well for their side. I'm not looking forward to any political unrest, but I'll be damned if some marxist revolutionaries try to undo the work of Washington, Adams, Jefferson and all my forefathers that fought to keep this land free. Hell no!

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Interesting thread. Leftists would be crushed by the right wing Patriots in the US without any doubt. I would avoid cities if it looks to kick off, and escape to country. Urban warfare can be taken advantage of any side, however learn some backwoodsman skills and you will easily defeat idiots in the countryside. Signs of idiots being in the countryside would be easily seen smoke from fires etc. Fear the Lord and not the leftists and you would win.
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(01-23-2017 07:05 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  He's right on there. The Right doesn't get together in a million man marches with pitchforks. If you attack us, or our families, our response will be violent and swift. Conservatives are reactive in nature when it comes to violence. We're not looking for it, but we don't back down from a fight if it is brought to our doorstep.

Lefties do have the cover of the media. Thankfully Trump is doing his very best to hold their feet to the fire. The solution is to create more Breitbarts and others like it, which provide an alternative voice. Just today Spicer announce that three seats are going to be opened up in the press room for Skype journalists such that views beyond the Beltway will be heard.

In Germany we had left wing terrorism as well. It was a big deal everywhere in the 60s and 70s, even till the 80s. RAF in Germany, Red Army Fraction. They worked close together with Pan Arabic Terrorist.

They did not win and still did. How so? At some point they did realise that most people are not behind their agenda. They want peace, a job, a stable life. This is the conservative stock you can rise when pushed to the edge. Thats the people you draft for military, thats the folk that will go to hell and back because they see worth a fight, if the time comes. Till then most peple will do nothing, they will not organise, they don't care. Maybe roll the eyes about the left. So the left has not the people behind them. What they have is the media, the public. And after realise that a revolution will not happen they made a different tactic. The march trough the institutions. This means they are in the universities, they are in the schools, they are in the media and they are in the politic. Well they are not in engineering and economics. They are into everything "soft". They push their ideas without real world experience or facts.

First of all, for a fight, for a revolution you don't need likes at Facebook. You need thug guys that go on the streets and to the dirty work. The left has the Antifa. High mobile, organised, networking all over the globe. In Germany they control in some cities like Berlin, Leipzig, Dresden some districts. Police can only show up with strong force. They have alternative communities and terrorise everyone. They get back up from left wing politicians. They even attack police stations. Do public damage, cut electric wires, cut train tracks / electricity. Of course its not a big deal because the media is owned by them as well. By their supporters. So some no brain Neonazi will give them excuse for another "Anti Right" found with public money. Still you see a difference, in Bavaria for example there are no migrant gangs, there is no big Antifa. Because the state government and the society is very conservative. The important point is, when they have no media, no government backup, they can't build up their stuff. As said, majority of people don't like them anyway.

The biggest fight we have in the cultural war is the one about the mind. As long as we don't dominate the public opinion every organisation will backlash. Look at the Triabl meetings. When I went to mine there had be huge Antifa groups. Remember what they had be able to do. This is their strength and our weakness. Breitbart is a mighty sword but we need more. We need back control the public discussion. Organise in local groups, protect your community, prepare. This is all important. Still as long as we don't have our ideas in the media. As long as we don't spread our ideas as teachers in schools and universities they will have a stockpile of new and fresh recruits all the time.

The majority of people are behind us, the people in the police and the military. Still this all is weak when you don't control the propaganda. Look at the demonisation of Germany in WW I. How long this image did stay in the minds of people. Look at WW II. Sometimes an idea is stronger then all the force. When you are not able to bring the message to the people its get dried up. The Muslim migrants and the left can organise lager groups, protest easy. The right? Not so much. Its the nature of conservative people to improve their own life, to not care about a revolution or oppression. So they will only get up when you get to their balls. Then it get dirty, till then the left is in the public image the stronger force.

So the best is, connect, prepare for shortfall of public infrastructure, for the worst case. The migrants and the left control the big cities, how long they can control the public opinion is in question. I see a change of this already. And be in a big city when shit gets real is not a good idea. The left will be eaten by the Arab clans and the Invaders soon, at least in Germany and Europe.

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Here's an interesting development:

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/01...p-threats/

Quote:The state of California is studying ways to suspend financial transfers to Washington after the Trump administration threatened to withhold federal money from sanctuary cities, KPIX 5 has learned.

Officials are looking for money that flows through Sacramento to the federal government that could be used to offset the potential loss of billions of dollars’ worth of federal funds if President Trump makes good on his threat to punish cities and states that don’t cooperate with federal agents’ requests to turn over undocumented immigrants, a senior government source in Sacramento said.

Of course, it's likely just talk, but it does make me wonder how things would escalate from that point. Some kind of lawsuit from the Trump administration? Someone getting removed from office? It would be interesting to see.

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This is pretty interesting:


This is Chris Kluwe, leftard. Fairly seriously advocating for CW2.
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This text is somewhat dated (mid 1990s), but it's disturbing to read and see how much if not most of what it predicted is panning out as we speak.

http://www.resist.com/CWII.pdf

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(02-04-2017 03:45 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  This text is somewhat dated (mid 1990s), but it's disturbing to read and see how much if not most of what it predicted is panning out as we speak.

http://www.resist.com/CWII.pdf

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A special warning should go out to any RVF'ers inside leftist hellhole cities. As the Berkeley riots proved, just being white or wearing a MAGA hat might get you beaten to within an inch of your life. Find out what the concealed carry license requirements are and buy a gun if you don't already have one. The antifags and their violence aren't going away. Not to mention, everyday street criminals are a day-to-day threat in urban areas. As a man, you should be armed to the fullest extent that is legally allowed in your area. If you can't get a pistol, get a steel baton. Get mace. Don't let yourself be caught attacked without a weapon. If you're attacked, you want an UNEQUAL fight in YOUR FAVOR. Do you think some punk is going to care about the rules if you hit the pavement first while he hits you over the head with a metal pipe?

Get armed, learn about awareness training, travel in groups of friends and don't get smashed drunk. There's a very good chance we will see some serious civil unrest during the Trump presidency. In fact, it is almost guaranteed. Berkeley is a foretaste of what the mutinous left has in store for anyone that want to purge. Just read up on the history of Lenin, Mao, Stalin, etc. There's never been a conflict that's killed enough people in their book. We are dealing with savages that without rule of law, would easily kill you and those you care about without remorse. Don't forget the totality of the evil they wish to inflict on freedom-loving people. Do not underestimate them. Prepare, and be ready.

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Even armed your odds against a crowd aren't the best. Your best bet? Blend in. keep some Hillary gear around and be willing to bust it out.
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The best fight is the one you're never in. We should never go looking for confrontation. That being said, you must be prepared physically, mentally and be armed in case a fight is brought to you.

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If you're going to carry, don't go drinking.

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(02-04-2017 10:52 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  If you're going to carry, don't go drinking.

Goes without saying. Your judgement needs to be 100% sober if God forbid you need to draw, much less shoot someone. Everytime I carry, I think of the solemn duty it is that I might take someone's life that very day. It isn't a toy, it isn't something to be taken lightly. When push comes to shove, if someone is attacking you with brutal force, you have to be able to line up a shot under duress and put 5 lbs of pressure on a trigger which could change your life forever.

For those considering concealed carry, I also recommend getting some insurance, just in case:

http://www.gunsandammo.com/network-topic...insurance/

Having pre-paid legal in the case you ever have to shoot someone is vital. You need to know your rights. If you're going to walk out of the house armed, you need not only fend off an attacker, but you need to stay out of jail in case you come across a SJW district attorney that has a soft spot for the violent thug you just put down.

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Well, that and there's a high risk of you getting absolutely fucked in court if there is even a suggestion you had a sip.

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Not to mention is just allows law-abiding gun owners to be painted as "drunks with guns". I consider packing heat on a night out to the bar as my "designated driver" night. I do most of my drinking at home for that reason, and have never been a big drinker to begin with. Not worth jail time on a toss-up call by a jury.

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(01-22-2017 09:14 PM)scorpion Wrote:  An interesting analysis. I think he overestimates the effectiveness of the militant left (antifa). Just because they are presently more organized and enjoy greater institutional support does not mean that will translate into operational effectiveness. The entire basis of guerilla warfare lies in turning those perceived advantages into liabilities. Their organizations can be infiltrated. Their members sleep in a bed somewhere at night like anyone else. The institutions that support them are staffed by people with families. A dozen undisciplined twenty-somethings throwing Molotov cocktails are dangerous sure, but they're not more dangerous than four guys who grew up together, trust each other with their lives and who have been shooting rifles since childhood. Once those guys decide the time to spill blood has arrived, they're going to bring violence to bear far that is far disproportionate to their numbers. A four-man fire team with moderate tactical training can kill dozens of people in minutes and likely disappear on motorcycles before the cops arrive. And after a few shootouts with fire teams that don't escape that wind up with dozens of cops dead, you can be sure that cops will be in no hurry to respond to such happenings in the future.

What is the left going to do if/when all of its institutions are being targeted by literal right wing death squads of this sort? Are they going to have their legions of emaciated, faggoty antifa stand outside and throw bricks at them? How will the leftist media respond when journalists start being dragged out of their beds and shot in the street? Where will the left gather when the universities have been shut down due to repeated mass shootings and assassinations of leftist professors and agitators? I think the left will lose its appetite for violence very quickly in the face of such opposition. The left is essentially a bully operation. Its success relies entirely on its targets not fighting back and being gradually cowed into submission until they accept the demands of the leftists. They are unprepared for direct confrontation. They only play at violence. They don't know what ultraviolence means. They don't know what horrors await them when they summon the ancestral bloodlust from the hearts of formerly peaceful men. They simply can't comprehend the hellstorm that will be unleashed upon them when the Saxon begins to hate.

What is the left going to ? Nothing. Alone that is.
The real threat is what will other countries do to keep the left afloat if violence does arrive. civil wars never happen in a vacuum. There are ALWAYS other OUTSIDE powers that will try to take advantage of a weakened state. THAT is the real danger. What happens when lefties get guns and soldiers from other countries that want to see the u.s go down?

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From what I gather, you have to almost always conceal-carry if you're going to do it. (Guns are a pain to carry around, and only doing it sometimes can lead to you deciding to leave it at home more often than not - which won't help you if you get mugged.)

So, cutting back on drinking or giving up night game could be an option. There's probably a way around it though.
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Quote:What happens when lefties get guns and soldiers from other countries that want to see the u.s go down?

Then the American right will end up with a lot more cool toys and trophy blue helmets and stuff the next day after shooting all those foreign soldiers. None of the men in my large family would have any problem walking out the door with a deer rifle to bag an invader or three, and they're all skilled hunters.

There are about 10 million deer hunters in the US. That's 10 million men with rifles that are better than anything a military sniper had access to until halfway through Vietnam, and almost all of those men can probably hit the broadside of a barn. And there are untold tens of millions more enthusiasts who don't even hunt.

There is no possibility of a successful invasion of the US without some kind of massive crippling attack beforehand, and then the invaders would simply face literally tens of millions of snipers and fighters. I'm sure that would end well for them.


Quote:From what I gather, you have to almost always conceal-carry if you're going to do it. (Guns are a pain to carry around, and only doing it sometimes can lead to you deciding to leave it at home more often than not - which won't help you if you get mugged.)

So, cutting back on drinking or giving up night game could be an option. There's probably a way around it though.

Guns aren't a pain in the ass to carry if you have proper equipment. Gun belt + good IWB or pancake holster = comfortable all day carry. I've spent many, many hours working under a car or doing yard work or whatever carrying a pistol and it didn't bother me or impede my actions at all. Sitting, driving and walking on a normal day carrying a gun is no big deal; half the time I don't even notice the gun. Just don't forget your pistol in a public bathroom if you have to take a dump.

Trying to use cheap, shitty gear is miserable, though.

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You should always conceal carry, if you're going to go through the cost, time, and practice. You can't "schedule" the bad guys. They schedule when they feel like it. If you are armed, always be armed. Even a tiny pistol that you carry regularly is better than a hand cannon that is too bulky so you leave home. Even a baton or pepper spray is better to have on you than if you never carry your gun. If you're in a less than ritzy area, night game, especially if you stay out really late is a great way to increase your odds of being confronted by a criminal. Either end the evening earlier, or don't drink, especially if you carry a gun. Guns are a pain to carry around, if you have the wrong gun and/or holster. There's lots of great options out there, a local gun store should be able to walk you through them.

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Be aware that anarchists and antifa are moving toward a "direct action" model.

What this means is that blending in will only get you so far. If you're identified and doxxed (even privately, not publicly) then they might literally send a small team of four to six guys to target you specifically at a time of their choosing. The price for failing your situational awareness slash combat test could be that you end up in a wheelchair or worse.

Don't assume that because you left your MAGA cap at home you'll be fine. These are dangerous waters ahead.
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(02-04-2017 03:45 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  This text is somewhat dated (mid 1990s), but it's disturbing to read and see how much if not most of what it predicted is panning out as we speak.

http://www.resist.com/CWII.pdf

I'm only 12 pages in and I can't resist dropping this cut here:

Quote:Empires are necessarily tiered because a certain group or groups must be given special privileges to enlist their support in the subjugation of the other groups. The more groups the empire has, the more tiers is will have.

Empires have laws of course, but they're a facade, and massed behind the facade and ever ready to smash the inevitable rebellions of the empire's subjects are the appropriate military formations - the Praetorian guard of ancient Rome, the Royal British Navy, Hitler's Waffen SS, the KGB and MVD internal security forces of Russia, and whatever band of mercenary thugs that will be charged with binding Imperial America together.

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Leonard, that's the main reason I'm avoiding almost all political discussion on Facebook today - I know I am probably connected to some lefty crazies (friends of friends) and I want to help Trump as much I can. Making myself a target won't help.

I've also almost totally socially withdrawn to get my affairs in order. Anyone who I was never particularly close with hasn't heard from me and won't.
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RE: The path to Civil War 2 (USA)
I've mentioned on here that I studied abroad last year and was very careful to not get into political arguments very often, mainly to protect myself should I ever want to get a government gig in the future. I got into a few but I can count on one hand (less than five times) in both semesters.

I've kept it up, but my tone on Facebook after the election probably alarmed people - I usually have a big mouth regarding politics, and lately I've shut up. I didn't outright say I supported Trump, but I posted that I was feeling genuinely amused by the weeklong meltdown, and mocked SJWs.

I'm sure some people already figure that if I'm not a Trump fan, I'm either sympathetic or tolerant. Some friends of mine who supported him want me to stop being coy and just come out with it. Maybe in 2020.
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