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RE: The path to Civil War 2 (USA)
(02-13-2017 01:45 AM)stugatz Wrote:  
(02-04-2017 03:45 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  This text is somewhat dated (mid 1990s), but it's disturbing to read and see how much if not most of what it predicted is panning out as we speak.

http://www.resist.com/CWII.pdf

About 80% done with it myself. The chapter where he details just how dangerous gangs really could be (he referred to them as "ethnic armies") sent chills down my spine.

Much of what he predicted has already come true, more or less (mainly regarding the Southwest becoming Mexico Junior). It hasn't progressed quite as fast as he thought, though, He'd have probably thought back in 1995(?) when he wrote this that we'd be too far gone to save in 2017.

Lo and behold, I find this article today:

http://www.alternet.org/story/46855/ethn...ng_in_l.a.

Quote: Ascending the steep steps that lead from the street to the scene of her son's murder, 47-year-old Louisa Prudhomme is charged by a Doberman Pinscher. Prudhomme reaches over a gate and gives the guard dog a rough pat on the head.

"Sam doesn't seem to remember me," she says.

What Prudhomme will never forget is that just past the snarling Doberman is the apartment on a hill where six years ago her 21-year-old son Anthony was shot in the face with a .25-caliber semi-automatic while lying on a futon she had purchased for him from IKEA. He died wearing a shirt that read, "Keep the Peace."

Anthony Prudhomme was slain by members of the Avenues, a Latino street gang. But he was not a rival gang member, or a police informant, or a drug dealer. The Avenues did not target him for the content of his character, or even the contents of his apartment.

They targeted him for the color of his skin.

Prudhomme was murdered because he identified himself as black (he was in fact mixed-race) in a neighborhood occupied by one of the many Latino street gangs in Los Angeles County. Incredibly, even though these gangs are fundamentally criminal enterprises interested mainly in money, gang experts inside and outside the government say that they are now engaged in a campaign of "ethnic cleansing" -- racial terror that is directed solely at African Americans.

"The way I hear these knuckleheads tell it, they don't want their neighborhoods infested with blacks, as if it's an infestation," says respected Los Angeles gang expert Tony Rafael, who interviewed several Latino street gang leaders for an upcoming book on the Mexican Mafia, the dominant Latino gang in Southern California. "It's pure racial animosity that manifests itself in a policy of a major criminal organization."

"There's absolutely no motive absent the color of their skin," adds former Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Michael Camacho. Before he became a judge, in 2003, Camacho successfully prosecuted a Latino gang member for the random shootings of three black men in Pomona, Calif.

"They generally don't like African Americans," Pomona gang unit officer Marcus Perez testified in that case. "If an African American enters their neighborhood, they're likely to be injured or killed."

A comprehensive study of hate crimes in Los Angeles County released by the University of Hawaii in 2000 concluded that while the vast majority of hate crimes nationwide are not committed by members of organized groups, Los Angeles County is a different story. Researchers found that in areas with high concentrations, or "clusters," of hate crimes, the perpetrators were typically members of Latino street gangs who were purposely targeting blacks.

Furthermore, the study found, "There is strong evidence of race-bias hate crimes among gangs in which the major motive is not the defense of territorial boundaries against other gangs, but hatred toward a group defined by racial identification, regardless of any gang-related territorial threat."

Six years later, the racist terror campaign continues.

A pervasive attitude

Anthony Prudhomme presented no threat to the Avenues. Even so, he was murdered two months after he moved into Highland Park, a neighborhood in northeastern Los Angeles that is home to many gang members. "He didn't have anything [to steal]," his mother says. "He had nothing when they broke in. So to shoot him, I'm sure it was a stripe. They get stripes for killing black people."

"Stripes" are a gang-soldier's badges of honor. Latino gang members in Southern California earn them by doing the bidding of their godfathers in the Mexican Mafia, a powerful criminal syndicate based in the California state prison system that controls most Latino street gangs south of Bakersfield.

According to gang experts and law enforcement agents, a longstanding race war between the Mexican Mafia and the Black Guerilla family, a rival African-American prison gang, has generated such intense racial hatred among Mexican Mafia leaders, or shot callers, that they have issued a "green light" on all blacks. A sort of gang-life fatwah, this amounts to a standing authorization for Latino gang members to prove their mettle by terrorizing or even murdering any blacks sighted in a neighborhood claimed by a gang loyal to the Mexican Mafia.

"This attitude is pretty pervasive throughout all the [Latino] gangs," says Tim Brown, a Los Angeles County probation supervisor. "As long as [street] gangs are heavily influenced by the prison gangs, particularly the Mexican Mafia, racism is just part and parcel of why they come into being and why they continue to exist."

Last fall, four members of the Avenues were convicted of federal charges for conspiring to deprive blacks of their civil rights in Highland Park. Three of them were sentenced to life in prison, without the possibility of parole, in late November; a fourth was to be sentenced the following month.

But the problem is far more widespread than a single gang in a single neighborhood.

Random, racially motivated crimes have been committed across the 88 cities of Los Angeles County by the members of Latino gangs, including the Pomona 12 in the city of Pomona, the 18th Street Gang in southwest Los Angeles, the Toonerville gang in northeast L.A., and the Varrio Tortilla Flats in Compton.

In one typical case, three members of the Pomona 12 attacked an African-American teenager, Kareem Williams, in his front yard in 2002. When his uncle, Roy Williams, ran to help his nephew, gang member Richard Diaz told him, "Niggers have no business living in Pomona because this is 12th Street territory." According to witnesses, Diaz then told the other gang members, "Pull out the gun! Shoot the niggers! Shoot the niggers!" No shots were fired.

The violence is not even limited to Los Angeles County. This November, six members of a Latino gang in Carlsbad, Calif., were arrested and charged with hate crimes for allegedly hurling racial slurs at a black teenager -- who police said was not a gang member -- while kicking and punching him. The same month, two members of the Fresno Bulldogs, a Latino gang in Fresno, Calif., were convicted of attempted murder in what police described as the random hate-crime shooting of a 41-year-old black man. According to police, the shooters used racial epithets and told the victim, "We don't like your kind of people on our street."

Ten years of terror

Anti-black violence conducted by Latino gangs in Los Angeles has been ongoing for more than a decade. A 1995 Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) report about Latino gang activity in the Normandale Park neighborhood declared, "This gang has been involved in an ongoing program to eradicate Black citizens from the gang neighborhood." A 1996 LAPD report on gangs in east Los Angeles stated, "Local gangs will attack any Black person that comes into the city."

But while the Latino gangs' racial terror campaign is not new, gang experts and law enforcement authorities say the intensity and frequency of anti-black terrorism is now escalating, as the amount of turf in Los Angeles claimed by Latino gangs continues to increase rapidly. And, as more and more blacks leave inner-city L.A. for safer neighborhoods, those who remain are more vulnerable.

"I don't see much history left for blacks in Los Angeles," says LAPD probation officer James Lewis, who is himself black and deals specifically with Latino gang members in northeast Los Angeles, including the Avenues. "It plays out not just with the gang members, but also the way things are going [for blacks] throughout Los Angeles."

Since 1990, the African-American population of Los Angeles has dropped by half as blacks relocated to suburbs, and Latinos have moved into historically black neighborhoods. Traversing South Central L.A. today, it's obvious that the urban landscape has changed radically since the Bloods-versus-Crips era depicted in movies like Colors, Boyz N The Hood, and Menace II Society. Not only are there vastly fewer black people walking the streets, there are vastly fewer obvious black gang members. Beige skin and baggy khakis have displaced the red and blue bandannas of the Bloods and the Crips.

The LAPD estimates there are now 22,000 Latino gang members in the city of Los Angeles alone. That's not only more than all the Crips and the Bloods; it's more than all black, Asian, and white gang members combined. Almost all of those Latino gang members in L.A. -- let alone those in other California cities -- are loyal to the Mexican Mafia. Most have been thoroughly indoctrinated with the Mexican Mafia's violent racism during stints in prison, where most gangs are racially based.

"When I first started working the gangs, they would be mixed. You could be black and Latino and be in the same gang," says Lewis, the LAPD probation officer. "But when they went to prison, they had to be Latino instead of from the gang, so their enemies became African Americans."

A landmark case

In Highland Park, located just north of downtown and one of oldest settled areas in Los Angeles, there have been at least three racially motivated "green light" murders committed by members of the Avenues since 1999.

Besides Anthony Prudhomme, the victims included Christopher Bowser, a black man who was bullied and sporadically assaulted for years by Avenues members, then gunned down in broad daylight at a bus stop, and Kenneth Kurry Wilson, who didn't even live in the vicinity. Wilson was simply parking his car to drop off his nephew after a late night at a bar when he crossed paths with Avenues gang members riding in a stolen van. According to later court testimony, one of the gang members in the van spotted Wilson and said, "Hey, wanna kill a nigger?" The group opened fire on Wilson, killing him instantly.

The murders of Bowser and Wilson resulted in a groundbreaking criminal case brought by the U.S. Department of Justice, in which Alejandro "Bird" Martínez, Fernando "Sneaky" Cázares, Gilbert "Lucky" Saldana, and Porfirio "Dreamer" Avila were convicted last August of violating federal hate crime laws, and later sentenced to life in federal prison. (Avila was already serving life in prison after being prosecuted by the state of California for his role in the killings, while Saldana was incarcerated for his role in another murder). In the past, federal prosecutors have typically used civil rights violation conspiracy laws against members of white supremacist groups, such as the Ku Klux Klan. The federal case against the Avenues gang marked the first time the Department of Justice used such laws against members of a non-white criminal organization, officials said.

"In a diverse community such as Los Angeles, no one should face race-based threats and acts of violence, such as those committed by [the Avenues]," U.S. Attorney Debra Wong Yang said in a statement released after the verdicts were rendered.

The victims, Yang added, "were killed by the defendants simply because they were African Americans who chose to live in a particular neighborhood." During the trial, federal prosecutors also detailed a series of less-than-lethal hate crimes committed by Avenues members in recent years to establish a pattern of violent racial harassment.

The evidence showed that Avenues members pistol-whipped a black jogger in Highland Park; used a metal club to beat a black man who had stopped to make a call at a pay phone; shot a 15-year-old black youth riding a bicycle; and drew outlines of human bodies in chalk in the driveway of a black family that had moved into the neighborhood.

Prosecutors brought the federal hate-crimes case against the Avenues to send all Latino gangs in Los Angeles County a message that ethnic cleaning will not be tolerated. (Federal prison time is a greater threat to gang leaders than California state prison time, both because there is no parole in the federal system and because the federal government routinely transfers gang leaders to penitentiaries far from home, where they are cut off from the support and protection of their gang.)

"We were concerned about the violation of people's civil rights," U.S. Attorney's Office spokesman Thom Mrozek said. "Being shot at a bus stop just for being black, obviously that should not be taking place." The government's message may have been received, but it's not being obeyed. Shortly after the federal hate crimes trial ended this fall, Avenues member James "Drifter" Campbell, 47, was charged with criminal threats for pointing a gun at a 17-year-old African-American high school student in Highland Park, the second such incident that month.

Mrozek said there are currently no plans to bring more federal hate crimes charges against other Latino gang members, though he acknowledges that similar crimes "are probably still going on."

Lawless avenues

Despite all the highly publicized gang activity, Highland Park is no ghetto. It's a hilly area with beautiful, historic homes, where the painted-lady color schemes on fully restored Queen Anne Victorians compete for attention with the vibrant murals found on nearby food markets. "El Alisal," the famed hand-built, stone home of Charles Lummis, the first city editor of the Los Angeles Times, is tucked just off the Pasadena Freeway, on Avenue 43.

Because Avenue 43 is one of the main roads in Highland Park, "43" is the signifier of the Avenues, also known as "Avenues 43." The gang goes back at least to World War II, when Highland Park was populated with a mixture of European and Latino immigrants. Now, about 75% of Highland Park residents are Latinos. Only 2% are black. The rest are white and Asian.

Highland Park has long had a reputation for gang problems that community boosters argue is undeserved. Their cause wasn't helped in 1986, when one of Highland Park's most famous residents, songwriter Jackson Browne, released the song, "Lawless Avenues," about the neighborhood's multi-generational gang: "Fathers' and sons' lives repeat/And something there turns them/Down those lawless avenues."

Although the Avenues gang goes back a half century, it only fell heavily under the control of the Mexican Mafia in the 1980s, eventually becoming fundamentally racist as a result. (Police point out that, ironically, the Avenues now sling dope for the Mexican Mafia, which the gang's leaders in decades past looked down upon as a "black thing.")

Still, at least some of the relatively few black Highland Park residents who've lived in the area for more than a decade don't report the same level of fear as others. "We love our neighbors. We love living in Highland Park," says Vernita Strange, who moved to Highland Park with her husband Al in the mid-1970s. "We've been treated warmly. We've been here 30 years, and that's all I have to say."

But Angel Brown, an African American, didn't experience that same kind of neighborly love when she and her teenaged son Christopher Bowser moved to Highland Park in 1998, in large part to get away from the black gangs in the Hoover Street area where he grew up. There, he caught a bullet in the leg in a drive-by and was beaten up and harassed by the Hoover Crips, who pressured him to join their set. "He knew early on that [gangbanging] was something he did not want to do," says Brown.

The pair was hoping to leave gang trouble behind, but soon after they relocated to Highland Park the Avenues targeted Bowser. "My son had problems because he's a young black man. The Avenues up there called him 'nigger' and stuff and chased him," Brown says. "He didn't bother nobody out there, all he did was walk around with his radio, singing and rapping. They didn't want him in their territory."

Testifying in the federal hate crimes trial against his former gang brethren, ex-Avenues member Jesse Diaz confirmed the Latino gangbangers were infuriated by the way Bowser bopped down the street, blasting rap music on his boom box.

He acted, Diaz testified, "like it was his neighborhood."

Murderous prejudice

Until Anthony Prudhomme's murderers went on trial, it never dawned on his mother, Louisa, and his stepfather Lavalle, that the killing was racially motivated. "It wasn't until we went to the trial that we really began to understand that [race] was the reason," he says, "which seemed totally, for lack of a better word, stupid."

Since the trial, Louisa has become obsessed with the Avenues gang. She routinely drives Highland Park, looking for signs of the gang, talking to anyone willing to talk. She has homicide detectives, lawyers, and parole officers on her cell phone's speed dial. She's made numerous visits to the site of her son's murder, as well as the spots where Bowser and Wilson were shot down. Believing the gang member who actually pulled the trigger on her son has yet to be brought to justice, she posts reward signs throughout the neighborhood, usually right next to Avenues gang graffiti.

Unlike the mothers of other victims like Bowser and Wilson, Louisa Prudhomme feels relatively safe on streets claimed by the Avenues. That's because she's white. Her son Anthony had long, wavy hair and an auburn complexion. "As he grew up people thought that" he might have been some race other than black, says his stepfather Lavelle. "But you could tell by the way he dressed that he leaned more toward his African-American side."

That preference may well have cost him his life, something that infuriates his mother. "A friend of mine asked me do I hate Mexicans now," says Louisa. "I said, 'I hate murderers.' I am prejudiced ... against murderers."

Driving through Highland Park one afternoon last October, Louisa headed up Avenue 43 toward Montecito Heights Community Center, a known Avenues congregation spot. She pulled up alongside a man loading lawnmowers into a huge shed. The man grabbed the left door, which was decorated with a full-length, spray-painted "4," and joined it with the right door, which was tagged with a matching "3." When the doors were closed, they created the "43" emblem of the Avenues.

Louisa asked the man, who was Latino, if he spoke English. He did, and they chatted for about five minutes about the infamous "Avenues 43" and the tattoos they leave all over the area he landscapes. Louisa walked away from him, laughing, before turning to say, "I hope they get them all. We want to get all of them off the streets."

But with the Mexican Mafia's shadow looming over Los Angeles, it may be a long time before the rapidly growing number of streets claimed by Latino gangs are safe for blacks, if ever.

"It's not just Highland Park. It's almost anywhere in L.A. that you could find yourself in a difficult position [as a black person]," says Lewis, the LAPD probation officer. "All blacks are on green light no matter where."

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RE: The path to Civil War 2 (USA)
Not surprised to read that article. Compton is mentioned - I keep hearing blacks have all fled that town due to the racial violence.

(Just googled it - it's now 65 percent Hispanic. Didn't know it was quite *that* stark.)
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(02-15-2017 01:31 AM)stugatz Wrote:  Not surprised to read that article. Compton is mentioned - I keep hearing blacks have all fled that town due to the racial violence.

(Just googled it - it's now 65 percent Hispanic. Didn't know it was quite *that* stark.)

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(02-15-2017 07:27 AM)scotian Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 01:31 AM)stugatz Wrote:  Not surprised to read that article. Compton is mentioned - I keep hearing blacks have all fled that town due to the racial violence.

(Just googled it - it's now 65 percent Hispanic. Didn't know it was quite *that* stark.)

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In addition to that you had the destruction of low-tier blue-collar work, the implementation of hard-core feminism, female-focused social security which in the beginning even had controls in order to prevent any man from living in the same household. Plus - the push for gangsta- and rap-culture was quite strong - there are even rumors of CIA and globalist involvement in the creation and promotion of those elements.

Booker T. Washington or Thomas Sowell would be called too "white" nowadays. The heroes are not the few black scientists or CEOs - nah - the gangsta rappers, criminals and sports stars are the role models.

It usally takes two to destroy a tribe - the globalists now who want it destroyed and design a system to make it happen and the tribe which is too weak to resist the destruction.

By the way - similar tools are being employed with every other tribe, but it takes much longer and some are super-resilient.

But it shows us well - when push comes to shove, then it is always along ancient tribal and race lines. Still - I see no civil war in the future - nothing the globalists cannot deal with.
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RE: The path to Civil War 2 (USA)
(02-14-2017 02:27 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  ...
About 80% done with it myself. The chapter where he details just how dangerous gangs really could be (he referred to them as "ethnic armies") sent chills down my spine.

Much of what he predicted has already come true, more or less (mainly regarding the Southwest becoming Mexico Junior). It hasn't progressed quite as fast as he thought, though, He'd have probably thought back in 1995(?) when he wrote this that we'd be too far gone to save in 2017.


Lo and behold, I find this article today:

http://www.alternet.org/story/46855/ethn...ng_in_l.a.

Quote:...
In the past, federal prosecutors have typically used civil rights violation conspiracy laws against members of white supremacist groups, such as the Ku Klux Klan. The federal case against the Avenues gang marked the first time the Department of Justice used such laws against members of a non-white criminal organization, officials said.
...

What a landmark! Putting a brown man in the docks instead white man! Odd that there's little mention of the possibility of putting a black man in the docks for same.

That article made me nauseous. The implication being that interracial hate-crimes are a one way street where peaceful, innocent blacks are inevitably the victims. It might be a white attacker or a latino attacker, but at the end of the day it's all about the poor, poor blacks.

Give me a fucking break. All the black gangs do exactly the same things the latino gangs do. They're just bitching because the latino gangs have had (until recently) an unlimited supply of dead-eyed reinforcements streaming in from the south and as such have the black gangs on the back foot everywhere it matters.

As per the relevance to the original article cited, yes, it's highly relevant and highly disturbing.
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< Yup - while their actions are reprehensible and innocent blacks are hit in the crossfire, the issues the Latinos have with the blacks are legitimate. Strangely enough whites and Asians are not pestered by them too much.
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RE: The path to Civil War 2 (USA)
It's not just the topic of discussion on the right by bloggers such as Vox Day (who says America as we know it has 15-20 years left), but now the New Yorker:

Robin Wright Wrote:America’s stability is increasingly an undercurrent in political discourse. Earlier this year, I began a conversation with Keith Mines about America’s turmoil. Mines has spent his career—in the U.S. Army Special Forces, the United Nations, and now the State Department—navigating civil wars in other countries, including Afghanistan, Colombia, El Salvador, Iraq, Somalia, and Sudan. He returned to Washington after sixteen years to find conditions that he had seen nurture conflict abroad now visible at home. It haunts him. In March, Mines was one of several national-security experts whom Foreign Policy asked to evaluate the risks of a second civil war—with percentages. Mines concluded that the United States faces a sixty-per-cent chance of civil war over the next ten to fifteen years. Other experts’ predictions ranged from five per cent to ninety-five per cent. The sobering consensus was thirty-five per cent. And that was five months before Charlottesville.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/...-civil-war

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A civil war is a segment of the population against the government. The "right" or the "left" will be going up against the most powerful military in the world they will not be fighting among themselves while the government stands by and does nothing. That notion is just pure internet fantasy. Want to see a civil war in action? Take a look at Syria or any other place where a civil war has happened.
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For Christ's sake, stop believing these MSM morons. They want a fucking civil war. It's great for their ratings. Therefore they'll publish anything that pushes the country's psyche towards it.

Keith Mines, the guy who passes off a "sixty-six percent chance of civil war" -- we'll come to that -- is not an academic, and he's not a historian. He looks more like a fucking spook given his background. Foreign postings in Israel, Afghanistan, Mexico, Canadian border politics.

Now, that "66% chance": from where does that number come?

Seriously, where? They throw these percentages around without any sort of study or analysis or discussion of the factors. And to make it even stupider, they then go for a combination of resort to authority and resort to consensus: "sobering consensus was 35%". What? One line previously the author said the chances range from 5% to 95%! What did they do, average out all the scores they had? Was it mean, median, or mode? And how the fuck is it even possible to reduce the chance of a civil war down to a statistical chance?

You are being sold BULLSHIT. You are being manipulated by the MSM. It is being done TO AGITATE YOU AND SET YOU UP FOR CIVIL WAR SO YOU DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT WASHINGTON OR ITS ALLIES.

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Yeah, civil wars are messy.

Genociding traditional Westerners is much more pleasant when you do it over decades through low level poisoning, malnutrition, intoxication, sterilisation, enstupidification and impoverishment, and the real benefit is that you get rich and suffer no casualties.

So yeah. Civil War is to be avoided at all costs, because we're already dying en masse, in body mind or soul. Thank Christ for all this peace.

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(08-17-2017 10:15 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Yeah, civil wars are messy.

Genociding traditional Westerners is much more pleasant when you do it over decades through low level poisoning, malnutrition, intoxication, sterilisation, enstupidification and impoverishment, and the real benefit is that you get rich and suffer no casualties.

So yeah. Civil War is to be avoided at all costs, because we're already dying en masse, in body mind or soul. Thank Christ for all this peace.

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I'm not contesting the idea that the Western soul is under attack and has been for decades. My question being: is a civil war really going to change anything on that score?

Lots of people on these boards -- I'm not saying yourself -- like to suggest that World War 1 and 2 were orchestrated, started for the benefit of the economic barons who stood to gain the most from them. I am surprised those same people are not pointing out the likelihood of the same in this situation as well.

Most of what the MSM does is unintentionally echoing the approach that the Roman emperors had to avoid their populations from rioting: they held gladiatorial games at which bread (comparatively rare at the time) would be thrown to the crowds; hence the phrase "bread and Circuses". While people are watching or participating in a bloodletting, they don't think straight, and they frequently aren't shooting at or shouting at the right people.

I'm just saying: don't buy into MSM hype. They are tools of the System, and the System, like an individual's ego, doesn't actually want change where it matters. They want you at war with your fellow citizens, not with your bureaucracy or your government or the ties of the same to corporations -- which is where the war should have been started the moment Donald Trump stepped into the White House. Instead, cosplayers from the Left and Right are engaged in gladiatorial combat down in Charlottesville while the real war is being fought - and lost - back in Washington.

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The problem with any war, and especially a civil war, is that it just gives the ruling government a pre-text to completely destroy what civil liberties and rights are remaining. That may be the price worth paying so we don't become completely cucked like Sweden if it means we have to purge people that really hate America and American values. The Left has shown that it wants to do us harm (punch a Nazi, regardless if he's even a Nazi, now everyone to the right of Stalin is a Nazi!) and really won't stop short of doing us violence. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: A war has been brought to our doorstep, even those of us who are prone to be peaceful people by nature have no choice but to be embroiled in the conflict. It is absolutely tragic what is happening to Western nations, but I am always given hope that the Best of Men have been forged in the fires of the Worst of Times.

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Vox Day (a right wing blogger) has been warning about this outcome for a while. And from today:
Vox Day Wrote:And it is also why they are desperate to hide the obvious link between the coming civil war and post-1965 immigration. History clearly shows that there are only two ways to stop this war. One is to proactively break up the United States and implement population transfers, the other is to restore the pre-1965 population demographics through mass repatriations.

Neither solution is likely. Man seldom takes the opportunity to avoid war. That's why he is doomed to fight them. The citizens of the USA are not exceptional in this regard.

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My hope with the election of Trump was that some sane policies could be implemented which avoided this (for example a severe cut back in legal immigration which would allow people time to assimilate). This is starting to look either that it is unlikely, or that it will be too little to late.

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Assimilate into what?

They've done such an amazing job destroying any sense of shared national identity that the only thing for most people to integrate into is a racial grievance group.

I imagine thats why they hate anything confederate so muc: its because a lot of southerners take enormous pride in their southern identity and having an alternative to race as an identityn is unacceptable.
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The SJW's are increasingly pushing the boundaries of hating anything traditional, wholesome or good. What they fail to grasp is that their overreach will only radicalize "normie" conservatives into Hard Right diehards. When you push beyond the limits of the tolerance of others, sooner or later the rubber band snaps back to slap you in the face.

Gentlemen, the rubber band is under EXTREME tension right now.

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(08-18-2017 06:59 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  Assimilate into what?
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Besides, the very concept of assimilation is now synonymous with racist cultural supremacism.

How can you make a demand for someone to assimilate with your culture without inferring their their culture is unacceptable? So what if Rabindoo wants to wipe his ass with his hand (and then use the same stair rails, vending machines and door handles as everyone else). Are you telling him that the ways of his ancestors are somehow dirty and wrong?

Fucking racist.
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Leonard is right on the money. One must believe that your own culture is superior (at least enough such that it makes people desire to emigrate there) and demand that any inbound people follow the established cultural norms. A certain amount of cultural machismo is absolutely necessary to avoid becoming the next Sweden/Germany/Cuckistan.

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This hilarious scene from Monty Python's Life of Brian summarizes a lot of today's discussions about politics:



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With the recent tweets from Obama against America and the UN placing the USA on "extreme risk" of Civil War, I said that the world is being primed to someday invade the USA as the next Nazi threat. Lot of people raised questions so I'd thought to answer them in a more appropriate thread.

What everyone forgets is that in the event of a US split, the "non-racist" side will carry legitimacy of the UN. The coastal regions, which includes DC, will be the ones calling for help from around the world because in the event of a Civil War, I estimate at least 60-75% of the military staying on the Red side. But the Blue regions control the coasts, and can call for support from all over the world not to mention get supplies.

It's the exact same division of the Peloponnesian war between Sparta controlling the land (the Red interior states) and Athens controlling the sea (the Blue coastal states).

The entire "racist" thing is just a contrived reason, no one actually cares about racism (certainly not anywhere outside of White countries) but a chance to fuck up the USA and get some war spoils will be irresistible to the many many enemies of the red USA which include: China, most of Western Europe, much of the Middle East, and parts of Latin America (such as Mexico).

Also I'm not talking about this happening in 4 years or even 10, but if the political situation continues to deteriorate at present rates it could happen within 20-30 years. Lots of things can change and there is no reason to fear such an outcome, but when I see a former President of the USA gathering support abroad while the UN places the USA at extreme risk of civil war - you'd have to be blind not to see how things are being prepared.

(08-23-2017 11:31 PM)kamoz Wrote:  Samseau, I'm agreeing with Johnmichaelkane but you've piqued my interest. Who will they use? The muzzies after they've taken over Europe? They will hardly be controllable. The Chinese? They don't give two shits about muh raysists.

Muzzie foot soldiers could easily be recruited by Western European governments as cannon fodder to be sent over. Chinese of course do not care about racists but for them to gain access to California and push towards the Mississippi would be irresistible.

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(08-23-2017 04:36 PM)Samseau Wrote:  ~50 million troops could easily be gathered by the UN for US invasion someday. People may think this is hyperbole but you just haven't done the math like I have. The heartland of America is being signaled out, White people everywhere will eventually be the target of the globalists so the one world government can be ushered in.

First question: which navy would they use to get 50 million troops onto the North American continent?

Second question: after that navy has been sent to the bottom of the ocean as a result of deployment of tactical nukes against its flotillas (you don't have to nuke cities or hit the target, blow up a nuke within 5 km of a ship and it's toast), which navy will they then use to rescue what's left of that flotilla and crawl back to Europe?

Third question: what South American army presents any sort of conventional threat to the US without those 50 million troops to buttress it? (We don't even need to discuss the Canadian army. The US Army can beat Canada's entire faggy armed forces with one arm tied behind its back -- especially once Alberta takes the opportunity of war to declare independence from the limp leaf and becomes the 51st state.)

1. The American navy controlled by the blue states.

2. Blue and red states have enough nukes where people will be afraid to use them in fear of total nuclear annihilation.

3. All of the foreign forces will be organized by blue states and given money by the globalists, the red states may slaughter them but it will be an endless tide.

(08-24-2017 01:34 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  No one can invade the US the US for now - not even if it's broke. An Alien armada could do it, but no other human army.

The only time when foreign troops of that magnitude can enter the US and stay is when there is already a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT and the US is just a regional District 13. Also such a magnitude of soldiers is overkill - 50 mio. would be coming over to kill every woman, man and child.

It wouldn't be 50 million at once, it would take place over many years, a horrible war that could only end in worldwide devastation. Moreover the US wouldn't be invaded, it would be at war with itself which leads to calling for help from the UN.

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(08-23-2017 04:36 PM)Samseau Wrote:  ~50 million troops could easily be gathered by the UN for US invasion someday. People may think this is hyperbole but you just haven't done the math like I have. The heartland of America is being signaled out, White people everywhere will eventually be the target of the globalists so the one world government can be ushered in.

UN isn't going to invade anyone, let alone a powerful country like a USA (even if reduced to just a dozen states), nor does it have the practical means to do that even if equipped with high-tech gadgets and unlimited budgets.

During the Yugoslav Wars which involved close-quarters conflict with relatively low casualty rates, absence of weapons of mass destruction, plenty of legitimate grievances and hatred that had been brewing for a whole century, desertion rates were mind-boggling, in many cases over 50%.

Now try to imagine the desertion rate in a transoceanic invasion of a country armed with nuclear weapons. There's no blood money in the world that could cope with that.

The Yugoslav wars had soldiers who weren't paid shit, the globalists will give enough incentive if they need to. You underestimate the will and desire for total control globalists currently have. No one poses a bigger threat to long term globalist plans than the Red states at the moment, as represented by Trump, and every means will be tried one after the other:

- Cultural subversion (they are reaching the limits of effectiveness on this strategy)
- Democratic subversion (Democrats are losing and look like to stay losing for a long time)
- Open war (when the time is right Blue states will declare war, the people inside of blue states are totally brainwashed for hatred and violence via the "hate whitey" campaign)


I hope this clears things up. Regardless there are no coincidences, so to see Obama and the UN walking in unison against the big bad wacists of America is nothing more than priming the gears for an eventual conflict of massive proportions.

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(08-24-2017 01:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  The Yugoslav wars had soldiers who weren't paid shit, the globalists will give enough incentive if they need to. You underestimate the will and desire for total control globalists currently have. No one poses a bigger threat to long term globalist plans than the Red states at the moment, as represented by Trump, and every means will be tried one after the other:

- Cultural subversion (they are reaching the limits of effectiveness on this strategy)
- Democratic subversion (Democrats are losing and look like to stay losing for a long time)
- Open war (when the time is right Blue states will declare war, the people inside of blue states are totally brainwashed for hatred and violence via the "hate whitey" campaign)


I hope this clears things up. Regardless there are no coincidences, so to see Obama and the UN walking in unison against the big bad wacists of America is nothing more than priming the gears for an eventual conflict of massive proportions.

The Yugoslav war was not created by a deep hatred between Croats, Serbs or other mostly Christian groups.

The Yugoslav war was created by one thing and one thing only - Muslims starting it all with full backing of the globalists: http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/07/10...caliphate/

The Cosovo Muslims and Albanians entered the frey later.

So - that means - the SJWs and the conservatives are very little apart - it's mainly cultural indoctrination but the people are the same. Sure - if you continue that for several decades, then something else could ensue, but even along racial lines it could get really difficult to separate the people. You would have to have mass starvation, immense riots for a civil war to happen - and one group of serfs blaming the other for their woes while the big guys above laugh at it all.

Any lasting Civil War would otherwise need a large Muslim population like in Yugoslavia - in current day Bosnia, Cosovo, neighbor also being predominantly Muslim etc. Then you could get that ball rolling, but the US is nowhere close for that to happen and won't be even in the most extreme circumstances in the next decades.

I agree with Paracelsus - all spook-talk by the globalists who want you to be obsessing about the fake problems of the rising Russian bear, the terrible danger of North Korea and the real real threat of the Neonazis in the US. Oh - and also be obsessed about supposedly racist statues or cops (many of them black) shooting black thugs.

Meanwhile they usher in the next points on the agenda - greater globalization (you absolutely need to compete with every shithole out there that has a daily 15$/day wage structure), Agenda 21 - global warming scam continuing, Orwellian apparatus of Right-thing extending it's muscles, feminism and cultural marxism destroying the minds of the next generations and wiping out stable families etc.

But we should be concerned about Civil War. Against whom? All universities teach now social justice. All the media spouts that bullshit and forms the minds of the people. The majority of young women lap up that bullshit. Are you going to fight against mostly 18-25 year old girls and the mangina Antifa shocktroops out there? Trust me - if those groups overstep their bounds, then they will be quickly taken down (likely their Fed-command structure will pull them back and defund them - the radicals will be SWATted and that will be the end of it).

Flashriots and flashmobs will be coming when austerity is here, but that will be directed against the circumstances and not against the other 50% of the population.

Either way 5-95% chance that nothing happens - heh.
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The plan can't possibly be to invade the US, Samseu. It is logistically impossible.

The plan is to ferment civil war and I am sure a large portion of the military would have no problems killing their own, just see the cucks Kelly, Mattis, McMasters. A significant portion would not.

Yes, the plan - if we accept your premise - is to divorce the money making, jewish cities, of New York and Los Angeles from white America. Get the coasts so to speak. Starve the whites in the interior by controlling trade.

And those coasts, being the most diverse, would be prime for racial strife (meaning minorities killing whites and then response). UN troops on the ground in key areas, then attempt to move inwards.
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(08-24-2017 01:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  With the recent tweets from Obama against America and the UN placing the USA on "extreme risk" of Civil War, I said that the world is being primed to someday invade the USA as the next Nazi threat. Lot of people raised questions so I'd thought to answer them in a more appropriate thread.

What everyone forgets is that in the event of a US split, the "non-racist" side will carry legitimacy of the UN. The coastal regions, which includes DC, will be the ones calling for help from around the world because in the event of a Civil War, I estimate at least 60-75% of the military staying on the Red side. But the Blue regions control the coasts, and can call for support from all over the world not to mention get supplies.

It's the exact same division of the Peloponnesian war between Sparta controlling the land (the Red interior states) and Athens controlling the sea (the Blue coastal states).

The entire "racist" thing is just a contrived reason, no one actually cares about racism (certainly not anywhere outside of White countries) but a chance to fuck up the USA and get some war spoils will be irresistible to the many many enemies of the red USA which include: China, most of Western Europe, much of the Middle East, and parts of Latin America (such as Mexico).

Also I'm not talking about this happening in 4 years or even 10, but if the political situation continues to deteriorate at present rates it could happen within 20-30 years. Lots of things can change and there is no reason to fear such an outcome, but when I see a former President of the USA gathering support abroad while the UN places the USA at extreme risk of civil war - you'd have to be blind not to see how things are being prepared.

(08-23-2017 11:31 PM)kamoz Wrote:  Samseau, I'm agreeing with Johnmichaelkane but you've piqued my interest. Who will they use? The muzzies after they've taken over Europe? They will hardly be controllable. The Chinese? They don't give two shits about muh raysists.

Muzzie foot soldiers could easily be recruited by Western European governments as cannon fodder to be sent over. Chinese of course do not care about racists but for them to gain access to California and push towards the Mississippi would be irresistible.

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(08-23-2017 04:36 PM)Samseau Wrote:  ~50 million troops could easily be gathered by the UN for US invasion someday. People may think this is hyperbole but you just haven't done the math like I have. The heartland of America is being signaled out, White people everywhere will eventually be the target of the globalists so the one world government can be ushered in.

First question: which navy would they use to get 50 million troops onto the North American continent?

Second question: after that navy has been sent to the bottom of the ocean as a result of deployment of tactical nukes against its flotillas (you don't have to nuke cities or hit the target, blow up a nuke within 5 km of a ship and it's toast), which navy will they then use to rescue what's left of that flotilla and crawl back to Europe?

Third question: what South American army presents any sort of conventional threat to the US without those 50 million troops to buttress it? (We don't even need to discuss the Canadian army. The US Army can beat Canada's entire faggy armed forces with one arm tied behind its back -- especially once Alberta takes the opportunity of war to declare independence from the limp leaf and becomes the 51st state.)

1. The American navy controlled by the blue states.

2. Blue and red states have enough nukes where people will be afraid to use them in fear of total nuclear annihilation.

3. All of the foreign forces will be organized by blue states and given money by the globalists, the red states may slaughter them but it will be an endless tide.

(08-24-2017 01:34 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  No one can invade the US the US for now - not even if it's broke. An Alien armada could do it, but no other human army.

The only time when foreign troops of that magnitude can enter the US and stay is when there is already a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT and the US is just a regional District 13. Also such a magnitude of soldiers is overkill - 50 mio. would be coming over to kill every woman, man and child.

It wouldn't be 50 million at once, it would take place over many years, a horrible war that could only end in worldwide devastation. Moreover the US wouldn't be invaded, it would be at war with itself which leads to calling for help from the UN.

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(08-23-2017 04:36 PM)Samseau Wrote:  ~50 million troops could easily be gathered by the UN for US invasion someday. People may think this is hyperbole but you just haven't done the math like I have. The heartland of America is being signaled out, White people everywhere will eventually be the target of the globalists so the one world government can be ushered in.

UN isn't going to invade anyone, let alone a powerful country like a USA (even if reduced to just a dozen states), nor does it have the practical means to do that even if equipped with high-tech gadgets and unlimited budgets.

During the Yugoslav Wars which involved close-quarters conflict with relatively low casualty rates, absence of weapons of mass destruction, plenty of legitimate grievances and hatred that had been brewing for a whole century, desertion rates were mind-boggling, in many cases over 50%.

Now try to imagine the desertion rate in a transoceanic invasion of a country armed with nuclear weapons. There's no blood money in the world that could cope with that.

The Yugoslav wars had soldiers who weren't paid shit, the globalists will give enough incentive if they need to. You underestimate the will and desire for total control globalists currently have. No one poses a bigger threat to long term globalist plans than the Red states at the moment, as represented by Trump, and every means will be tried one after the other:

- Cultural subversion (they are reaching the limits of effectiveness on this strategy)
- Democratic subversion (Democrats are losing and look like to stay losing for a long time)
- Open war (when the time is right Blue states will declare war, the people inside of blue states are totally brainwashed for hatred and violence via the "hate whitey" campaign)


I hope this clears things up. Regardless there are no coincidences, so to see Obama and the UN walking in unison against the big bad wacists of America is nothing more than priming the gears for an eventual conflict of massive proportions.



Americans are race conscious ,especially white Americans. Alt right retards are not most Americans but most white people do wish to return to the 1950's with a 90 percent white majority. If America, or when balkanizes , there could be invasions where the various "new" Americans welcome their invaders based on race. Californians and Texas would welcome the Mexican rulers, the heartland would welcome the Russian ones ect ect.
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(08-24-2017 02:50 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  The Yugoslav war was not created by a deep hatred between Croats, Serbs or other mostly Christian groups.

The Yugoslav war was created by one thing and one thing only - Muslims starting it all with full backing of the globalists: http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/07/10...caliphate/

Zel, with all due respect, I was there and my father served in the military for the whole duration of the war all the way since the Log revolution at the end of 1990. The independence of BiH and the hostilities in Bosnia involving Muslims erupted a whole year and a half later in early 1992, by which time the Croatian war of independence was already past its peak and was starting to slowly wind down.

Frankly, we would both be stunned to discover that my father had actually been battling Muslims for 5 years without knowing it.

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If you refuse to assimilate you are an invader, not an immigrant. People like this are only here to game the system and steal my tax dollars while destroying the cultural identity and cohesion of my country. Out out out
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(08-24-2017 04:07 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  
(08-24-2017 02:50 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  The Yugoslav war was not created by a deep hatred between Croats, Serbs or other mostly Christian groups.

The Yugoslav war was created by one thing and one thing only - Muslims starting it all with full backing of the globalists: http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/07/10...caliphate/

Zel, with all due respect, I was there and my father served in the military for the whole duration of the war all the way since the Log revolution at the end of 1990. The independence of BiH and the hostilities in Bosnia involving Muslims erupted a whole year and a half later in early 1992, by which time the Croatian war of independence was already past its peak and was starting to slowly wind down.

Frankly, we would both be stunned to discover that my father had actually been battling Muslims for 5 years without knowing it.

That part of the war was almost a skirmish compared to what came later and what brought down the might of NATO on Serbia. Croatia was over without the atrocities committed later on.
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