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People keep thinking it would be a war like we fought in World War II. It won't be. It will be a huge civilian population with imbedded insurgents. We are still tangled up in the mess that is Afghanistan, which is much smaller and less well trained. The combined military and police forces amount to just a few percent of the gun owners in America. Once things get hot, some of the gun owners will start by shooting any police who come to the door, followed shortly by shooting any police who come to a neighbor's door. For the military to win, they would have to be willing to level entire blocks, killing a large number of non-combatants. The death toll would be in the tens of millions nationwide. I don't see that happening.
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Nobody is heading towards a civil war of the old style where there are Generals, lieutenants and battle lines.

What's coming is going to be like the Irish troubles except there is going to be no geo-political prosperity and stability in the background to drag people away from participation. Moreover participants will not be rebelling against the vague concept of occupation but for the sense that their future and the future of their children is at stake.

Certain parts of the country will quickly devolve into "injun country" where Federal enforcement of anything is just about impossible. Funding will be stripped in order to break them but it wont work because the ones causing the ruckus have nothing much left to lose and their joy in life is now the sport. The economy there switches dramatically to the black market and the rest of the country goes increasingly banana republic in an effort to prevent investor exile and a collapse of the dollar.

Some of Matthew Bracken's books paint an ugly but potentially prescient picture.

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(11-16-2018 06:48 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  
(11-16-2018 06:11 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Military aside & nukes aside (the fuck Salwell...?).

Does the average American even have either the cardio or the concentration required for an actual civil war?
Sure, we're seeing plenty of examples of small scale civil disturbance thanks to Antifa agitators.
Yet an actual, full on civil war? One that requires folk to log out of FarceBook & put down their 'smart' phones?

Basic combat training is pretty tough going.
Full on combat training is then something else.
Even that must pale to a legit two way firing range.

If half of America can neither walk to their local Wal-Mart without the aid of scooters or is easily offended by mere words.
Bullets wizzing by their heads is not going to result in a total war type scenario.

One doesn't simply dabble in a civil war on the weekends LARP style & go back to work on Monday as if nothing happened.
A real civil war (2.0 or otherwise) would bring America to a grinding halt.
I don't see enough Americans having the grit & determination to resort to combat WW2 partizan style, for any significant length of time.
More likely - more civil disturbance here & there, but never a full civil war that the fake news media may be salivating over.

*Edit.
& for the sake of pragmatism. The above could be applied just as readily to the average Brit, Aussie or Canuck I would imagine.

It might look more like the Irish Troubles, at least at first.

People of the same race, ethnicity, religion, and language begin to gather into their own exclusive neighborhoods and regions and begin to make them "no go" zones for the police and other parts of the government. People would have to toughen up as resources became scarce.

Of course, as things deteriorate, it could start getting a good deal nastier - some nightmare mash up of the Finnish*, Yugoslavian, Rwandan, and the coming South African civil wars.

* The Finnish Civil War was astoundingly brutal from what little I have been able to gather. It is difficult to get accounts of since the normally taciturn Finns really clam up when the subject is discussed.

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(01-22-2017 08:06 PM)Roosh Wrote:  A commentator by the name of David Hines recently released a tweetstorm that showed how Civil War 2 could happen, and why the right is not positioned as well as the left to win it. I highly recommend you read it:

https://storify.com/sphenoid/days-of-rag...it-portend

Access to the link is forbidden. Anyone have a copy of it or another link?

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The whites/right are almost certain to lose any "civil war" due to the circumstances under which such a war would take place. If large scale unauthorized violence ever breaks out in the United States, it is sure to be in the context of whites rebelling against oppression by a Leftist-controlled government with a permanent electoral majority and not the other way around. If you look at the history* of peasant revolts, religious rebellions, ethnic uprisings etc, they are almost inevitably squashed with extreme prejudice by the existing power structure and the oppression that triggered them is then doubled-down on.

It's silly to think whites will have an "Afghan's chance" in any such conflict. I don't think I need to enumerate all the ways in which American power in that part of the world is hamstrung by (((humanitarian considerations))) whose complete removal would yield correspondingly complete victory in a matter of months. The truth is, even the Soviets used kid-gloves compared to how unruly peoples have typically been handled by alien rulers. The Mongols, for example, were fond of killing all the inhabitants save young females (whom they enslaved) in centers of resistance, which had the dual benefit of completely wiping out resistance in that particular region and scaring everyone else into submission. This was so effective that the conquered peoples submitted so totally as to send thousands of their prettiest daughters to the Mongols each year as tribute without complaint. The Hearts and Minds approach has not been very effective for the Americans in the Middle East. The Kill and Enslave approach was very effective for the Mongols. Rebellious whites are unlikely get the Hearts and Minds treatment by 20XX's Red- sorry, American- Army commanded by Jorge Levinez.

*The abysmal track record of such revolts actually underplays how hopeless any kind of uprising by whites against a Leftist US government in the future would be. In those days, the revolutionaries used more or less the same weaponry as the official standing armies they battled. Spears, swords, bows and arrows, etc. Even a pitchfork is only slightly less effective than the finest of swords in the heat of a melee and can actually be more effective depending on the circumstances. If whites rebel against the US Gov, they will be facing tanks, air power, directed energy weapons, advanced drones, etc with nothing more than a pimped out AR-15 and limited ammo. To put that in a historical context, it would be as if Spartacus' slave army faced off against the Roman Legions with literally only their dicks in their hands as weapons.
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I think this is the answer and if President Trump doesn't really kick his agenda into overdrive we're either looking at a dystopian post-Trump future: police state (say bye to this website!) or random acts of violence some of which may be sponsored by other countries (proxy war).

(01-23-2017 03:26 PM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  Old post from /pol/:

Quote:Former red team planner for the government here. If there was a revolution in the US, the rest of the world would get involved, fast. Depending on the type of uprising, there is a large chance that it would not be a quick affair. It would be brutal, it would be bloody, and the US government could start a global scale war. Here are the top ten issues that came up.

1) The US power grid can be taken down by a series of “surgical strikes” with the exception of the Texas grid. By surgical strikes, I mean a few marksmen (US army-tier Marksmen–the minimum requirement) hitting certain spots on the grid would fuck a lot of the military and government because they need the grid more than Bubba and his friends do. Additionally, while all government agencies have backup generators, they will be hard pressed dealing with the resultant looting and other madness that would come with power outages. This would effectively create another front for the military. It would also turn the people against the government more quickly and paralyze the government’s propaganda machine. Worse still–the key points of the US power grid are publicly obtainable information, and not only are the points too many to be effectively guarded, they are not guarded anyway.

2) The estimated desertion rate in case of a civil war is 75% in the case of a left-wing president. 50% of that would be assumed to immediately betray the president. The remaining (treasonous) military would be fighting its own. Yet another front created in the war. Additionally, there is an assumed 25-50% desertion or outright betrayal rate in three letter government agencies (FBI, CIA, NSA, ATC, TSA, etc.). Additionally, it is assumed that 5% of the initial 50% betrayers would stay in their job and become saboteurs. 10% of that 50% would contain key information that would be of critical danger to the US government. Of that 10%, 1% would be able to deliver that information to the US’ foreign enemies. What you should get from this is that the second the United States government declares war on its own is the second it ceases to exist as the state we know it.

3) “Tea baggers,” “right-wing extremists,” and “oath keepers” which are considered untrained racists who aren’t “good with a gun” often are A) veterans who now have more time to have fun at the range, sometimes more than some Army units or Marine units. In addition to previous military training, B) often camp and do other outdoor activities–more than many in the military do, as the focus has gone away from field exercises, and C) often have better equipment–outside of armor and heavy weapons–than the military. However, C) is kind of irrelevant because many of the places in which these people could hide would make the kind of war the US fights with the equipment they use pointless.

4) Outside influence is a huge problem. Russia has already stated they would back a Texas separatist movement, and right now we already have enough problem keeping Islam in check. The second the US has to fight in a “civil war” is the second it becomes a proxy war between NATO and whoever wants to mess with America. While America has amazing nuclear and air defense, if it comes to a civil war you have to assume that in a best cast scenario the US military is going to be operating at 50% capacity at best. Shit would go down. Hard. And fast. And if Russia–spoiler alert: one of the best militaries in the world at fighting in an urban environment–sent trainers and helpers to rebels, you can reliably bet that they would also possibly deliver weapons to them. So instead of fighting “Timmy TeaBagger,” you are fighting “Timmy TeaBagger who is buddies with Vlad.”

5) A civil war is not just the US versus the rebels. There will be looting. There will be rioting. Cities will burn. The National Guard cannot fight both the rebels and rioters in a city that would also cut off their supplies. Additionally, if you don’t think that the rebels will send in instigators into the cities–or worse, stand alone actors (A Lone Wolf on steroids. Think Timothy McVeigh, but instead of one van they have a whole fleet of them. A good movie example would be Bane)–you would be mistaken. If the US government cannot even help its own people, why would its own people support the remaining (treasonous) military? Worse yet, if someone emptied out prisons (There are more prisoners in the US than there are people in the entire Chinese Army), you would have more crime than the police could ever handle.

6) Logistics and infrastructure in the US are crumbling and failing. Any war fought against a rebellion in the US would be a logistical nightmare, even before the rebels started going full Al-Qaida and putting IEDs in the road. A retired general who was contracting with us on the team said, “The only thing holding together the US’ infrastructure is duct tape and the will of the Department of Transportation. And often enough, there isn't enough duct tape.” Your most loyal cities to the US government, as we polled, are also the most logistically easy to cut off. NYC? San Fran? L.A.? D.C.? Baltimore? Most of them require crossing water to enter, from certain directions. Most of them have critical airports. Some of them have critical ocean ports. If anything happened to just TWO of the cities on the list, it would create a logistical clusterfuck.

7) Your “Johnny Reb” and “Timmy TeaBagger” states (i.e., “red” states) all have something most of your “oh so progressive,” “Aren’t we so European,” “Oh my god, we are just like Sweden,” blue states don’t. Blues are mainly consumer states. Reds are producer states. Urban areas don’t have farms. The second that shit goes down, realize a lot of those blue areas are likely to starve. In a civil war scenario, we predicted that at least 10,000 people would die of starvation if the war was not finished in a year. The numbers get worse after that. Or better, rather, for the country after the war.

8) The US has way too many choke points, and the government forces would often be on the wrong side of them. This ties into the logistical nightmare, but it also has to do with an odd phenomena. Liberals like to live near the ocean. Many of the dividers of the country, like the Rocky Mountains, the Mississippi River, Appalachia, the Missouri River (fun fact: the biggest choke point for the US government is in Missouri) are red state areas. Sure, air travel is a thing, but a majority of the US government's needs would have to travel by ground. Even still, many of the major airports are outside of the city. Of course, the US would use military base air fields, but if civil war did break out… which bases would be safe? Which ones would have fallen to the deserters?

9) PR Nightmare. Every rebel killed on CNN would be spun as “the US government killed X Civilians today in a strike” on foreign news and pirate media not owned by the government. That is–as pointed out earlier–if the US media could even function in a civil war or uprising. Your “rebel scum” know that the main thing that holds together the US–nay life in the US as we know it–is the 24 hour news cycle and the media. The second it's gone, you are going to have urban anarchy. If you are from America, can you imagine a day without TV, newspaper, or Internet? Your average urban youth can’t. If you don’t think that isn’t going to cause rioting, you must have a real high regard for how much restraint they have. Assume in a civil war that your ability to talk to the people is compromised. Also assume that in the case of a civil war that rebels may know how to monitor conversations like the US does, as there are manuals online on how to do so.

10) This one is either 1 or 10, depending on who is asked. The US will never nuke its own. The second it does, they have lost the civil war and other countries will come to “liberate” the US from its own “repressive regime.” Additionally, if any general, minuteman, nuke tech, or nuke sub captain decided to side with the rebellion, the US government is immediately SOL.

In short: The second that a “civilian uprising” or “extremist group terrorist attack” turns into “civil war” is the second the US loses. As a result, you will never see a civil war. You will see Waco, you will see Bundy Ranch, you will see all sorts of militant group confrontations and maybe even some skirmishes. But the US government fears its own people way the fuck too much to ever start a civil war.

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(11-28-2018 11:46 PM)Higgs Bosun Wrote:  The whites/right are almost certain to lose any "civil war" due to the circumstances under which such a war would take place. If large scale unauthorized violence ever breaks out in the United States, it is sure to be in the context of whites rebelling against oppression by a Leftist-controlled government with a permanent electoral majority and not the other way around. If you look at the history* of peasant revolts, religious rebellions, ethnic uprisings etc, they are almost inevitably squashed with extreme prejudice by the existing power structure and the oppression that triggered them is then doubled-down on.

It's silly to think whites will have an "Afghan's chance" in any such conflict. I don't think I need to enumerate all the ways in which American power in that part of the world is hamstrung by (((humanitarian considerations))) whose complete removal would yield correspondingly complete victory in a matter of months. The truth is, even the Soviets used kid-gloves compared to how unruly peoples have typically been handled by alien rulers. The Mongols, for example, were fond of killing all the inhabitants save young females (whom they enslaved) in centers of resistance, which had the dual benefit of completely wiping out resistance in that particular region and scaring everyone else into submission. This was so effective that the conquered peoples submitted so totally as to send thousands of their prettiest daughters to the Mongols each year as tribute without complaint. The Hearts and Minds approach has not been very effective for the Americans in the Middle East. The Kill and Enslave approach was very effective for the Mongols. Rebellious whites are unlikely get the Hearts and Minds treatment by 20XX's Red- sorry, American- Army commanded by Jorge Levinez.

*The abysmal track record of such revolts actually underplays how hopeless any kind of uprising by whites against a Leftist US government in the future would be. In those days, the revolutionaries used more or less the same weaponry as the official standing armies they battled. Spears, swords, bows and arrows, etc. Even a pitchfork is only slightly less effective than the finest of swords in the heat of a melee and can actually be more effective depending on the circumstances. If whites rebel against the US Gov, they will be facing tanks, air power, directed energy weapons, advanced drones, etc with nothing more than a pimped out AR-15 and limited ammo. To put that in a historical context, it would be as if Spartacus' slave army faced off against the Roman Legions with literally only their dicks in their hands as weapons.

Wow Higgs, thanks again for yet another edgy post reminding all of the American members how they will be completely slaughtered and need to....move out of the country? (assuming that’s your proposed solution) by yesterday (apologies for rudely volunteering a solution so quickly). I’ve got my citizenship ready for X country in east Asia, my offshore bank account in Yuan, and a job lined up. I’m sure they’ll welcome me with open arms. If a single forum member reading this does not have the above things accomplished, you are utterly fucked and might as well off yourself because the scenario Higgs described will take place in 2024 at the latest. Just FYI.

I actually like this post because not only does it have excellent grammar like all your other posts, as well as edgy dark humor (Spartan slaves with dicks in their hand vs. Romans with swords, almost as funny as smiling politely while being sodomized Laugh), but you even included a footnote! It just keeps getting better. I’m looking forward to the next one.
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(11-29-2018 12:29 AM)kamoz Wrote:  
(11-28-2018 11:46 PM)Higgs Bosun Wrote:  The whites/right are almost certain to lose any "civil war" due to the circumstances under which such a war would take place. If large scale unauthorized violence ever breaks out in the United States, it is sure to be in the context of whites rebelling against oppression by a Leftist-controlled government with a permanent electoral majority and not the other way around. If you look at the history* of peasant revolts, religious rebellions, ethnic uprisings etc, they are almost inevitably squashed with extreme prejudice by the existing power structure and the oppression that triggered them is then doubled-down on.

It's silly to think whites will have an "Afghan's chance" in any such conflict. I don't think I need to enumerate all the ways in which American power in that part of the world is hamstrung by (((humanitarian considerations))) whose complete removal would yield correspondingly complete victory in a matter of months. The truth is, even the Soviets used kid-gloves compared to how unruly peoples have typically been handled by alien rulers. The Mongols, for example, were fond of killing all the inhabitants save young females (whom they enslaved) in centers of resistance, which had the dual benefit of completely wiping out resistance in that particular region and scaring everyone else into submission. This was so effective that the conquered peoples submitted so totally as to send thousands of their prettiest daughters to the Mongols each year as tribute without complaint. The Hearts and Minds approach has not been very effective for the Americans in the Middle East. The Kill and Enslave approach was very effective for the Mongols. Rebellious whites are unlikely get the Hearts and Minds treatment by 20XX's Red- sorry, American- Army commanded by Jorge Levinez.

*The abysmal track record of such revolts actually underplays how hopeless any kind of uprising by whites against a Leftist US government in the future would be. In those days, the revolutionaries used more or less the same weaponry as the official standing armies they battled. Spears, swords, bows and arrows, etc. Even a pitchfork is only slightly less effective than the finest of swords in the heat of a melee and can actually be more effective depending on the circumstances. If whites rebel against the US Gov, they will be facing tanks, air power, directed energy weapons, advanced drones, etc with nothing more than a pimped out AR-15 and limited ammo. To put that in a historical context, it would be as if Spartacus' slave army faced off against the Roman Legions with literally only their dicks in their hands as weapons.

Wow Higgs, thanks again for yet another edgy post reminding all of the American members how they will be completely slaughtered and need to....move out of the country? (assuming that’s your proposed solution) by yesterday (apologies for rudely volunteering a solution so quickly). I’ve got my citizenship ready for X country in east Asia, my offshore bank account in Yuan, and a job lined up. I’m sure they’ll welcome me with open arms. If a single forum member reading this does not have the above things accomplished, you are utterly fucked and might as well off yourself because the scenario Higgs described will take place in 2024 at the latest. Just FYI.

I actually like this post because not only does it have excellent grammar like all your other posts, as well as edgy dark humor (Spartan slaves with dicks in their hand vs. Romans with swords, almost as funny as smiling politely while being sodomized Laugh), but you even included a footnote! It just keeps getting better. I’m looking forward to the next one.

If what I wrote gives you such butthurt then why is your "rebuttal" completely focused on attacking the internet identity Higgs Bosun and not addressing anything in the post itself? I mean you wrote a crapload of sentences there mate and even complimented my grammar, but you didn't mention even in passing which part of what I wrote is incorrect. I'll be the first to admit I'm just theorizing here and would love to be wrong, but when my pessimistic assessments are met only by scathing attacks completely empty of any sound argumentation I get worried that maybe I'm right.
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(11-29-2018 12:53 AM)Higgs Bosun Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 12:29 AM)kamoz Wrote:  
(11-28-2018 11:46 PM)Higgs Bosun Wrote:  The whites/right are almost certain to lose any "civil war" due to the circumstances under which such a war would take place. If large scale unauthorized violence ever breaks out in the United States, it is sure to be in the context of whites rebelling against oppression by a Leftist-controlled government with a permanent electoral majority and not the other way around. If you look at the history* of peasant revolts, religious rebellions, ethnic uprisings etc, they are almost inevitably squashed with extreme prejudice by the existing power structure and the oppression that triggered them is then doubled-down on.

It's silly to think whites will have an "Afghan's chance" in any such conflict. I don't think I need to enumerate all the ways in which American power in that part of the world is hamstrung by (((humanitarian considerations))) whose complete removal would yield correspondingly complete victory in a matter of months. The truth is, even the Soviets used kid-gloves compared to how unruly peoples have typically been handled by alien rulers. The Mongols, for example, were fond of killing all the inhabitants save young females (whom they enslaved) in centers of resistance, which had the dual benefit of completely wiping out resistance in that particular region and scaring everyone else into submission. This was so effective that the conquered peoples submitted so totally as to send thousands of their prettiest daughters to the Mongols each year as tribute without complaint. The Hearts and Minds approach has not been very effective for the Americans in the Middle East. The Kill and Enslave approach was very effective for the Mongols. Rebellious whites are unlikely get the Hearts and Minds treatment by 20XX's Red- sorry, American- Army commanded by Jorge Levinez.

*The abysmal track record of such revolts actually underplays how hopeless any kind of uprising by whites against a Leftist US government in the future would be. In those days, the revolutionaries used more or less the same weaponry as the official standing armies they battled. Spears, swords, bows and arrows, etc. Even a pitchfork is only slightly less effective than the finest of swords in the heat of a melee and can actually be more effective depending on the circumstances. If whites rebel against the US Gov, they will be facing tanks, air power, directed energy weapons, advanced drones, etc with nothing more than a pimped out AR-15 and limited ammo. To put that in a historical context, it would be as if Spartacus' slave army faced off against the Roman Legions with literally only their dicks in their hands as weapons.

Wow Higgs, thanks again for yet another edgy post reminding all of the American members how they will be completely slaughtered and need to....move out of the country? (assuming that’s your proposed solution) by yesterday (apologies for rudely volunteering a solution so quickly). I’ve got my citizenship ready for X country in east Asia, my offshore bank account in Yuan, and a job lined up. I’m sure they’ll welcome me with open arms. If a single forum member reading this does not have the above things accomplished, you are utterly fucked and might as well off yourself because the scenario Higgs described will take place in 2024 at the latest. Just FYI.

I actually like this post because not only does it have excellent grammar like all your other posts, as well as edgy dark humor (Spartan slaves with dicks in their hand vs. Romans with swords, almost as funny as smiling politely while being sodomized Laugh), but you even included a footnote! It just keeps getting better. I’m looking forward to the next one.

If what I wrote gives you such butthurt then why is your "rebuttal" completely focused on attacking the internet identity Higgs Bosun and not addressing anything in the post itself? I mean you wrote a crapload of sentences there mate and even complimented my grammar, but you didn't mention even in passing which part of what I wrote is incorrect. I'll be the first to admit I'm just theorizing here and would love to be wrong, but when my pessimistic assessments are met only by scathing attacks completely empty of any sound argumentation I get worried that maybe I'm right.

Of course you might be right. Nobody's denying that, not me.

Let me ask you this: if someone you know is terminally ill, do you just go up to them and say "oh dear God, you're fucked, you're going to painfully and hopelessly die very soon [fill in with gruesome details specific to the illness]."

No, you don't say that. Most people cope by just not thinking or talking about it, up to the point of distancing themselves from said person and even outright leaving them. But those who truly care strive for whatever short-term and long-term solutions they can muster. Let's say it truly is hopeless, does that mean you can now sperg out and tell them how utterly fucked they are? No, you just focus on the short-term and the day-by-day.

Yes, the future looks dark. And yes, there have been times in my life where the worst possible thing that could happen, happened. So yes, go ahead and concoct in your head the absolute worst-case scenario of what can happen to America (you came pretty close in your post, but I'm sure we can spice that up) - it can absolutely happen.

Just because you can do so and lay it out for everyone doesn't mean you should. Sure, this is an online forum and we aren't talking face-to-face, but that doesn't mean all social norms get thrown out of the window. For many members here, this is the last refuge on the internet to discuss these things, and the way things are looking, time is limited.

I'm assuming at this point that your posts are venting, perhaps out of fear. To be frank, this is not the place to do that. Do it with your girlfriend, your buddy, whoever, but don't do it in front of us. Get it out with someone you know, or with yourself, clear your head, then come back here when you're ready to provide a level-headed response that adds value to the members. Your posts as of late do the exact opposite (and no, you're not alone). Perhaps you think so many of the members here are so deluded with false hope. Let me assure you, if they have found their way to this forum, they do not need to be reminded of how they may be laying in a shallow grave in the next 10 or 20 years.

Based on your posts and lack of solutions, I'm assuming you don't have any, and that's totally fine. You're welcome to PM me to have a constructive discussion on the subject.
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I don't agree with Higgs' analysis.

It's far more complicated. The pointy end of the US military is made up almost entirely of red-state whites. It would be like trying to put down the IRA with a military comprised of Irish Republicans.

Secondly, they'd be killing their food supply, and with an economy in tatters they would also be dealing with a violent underclass rioting in the cities for want of gibs.

The reason they haven't crushed white American already is because they can't. Not militarily. They rely entirely on the death of a thousand cuts. Turn your farms and oil fields into rebel country while you're sitting on trillions of debt and you're fucked, no matter whether Goldman Sachs is in your pocket and you have some fancy drones. They couldn't pacify Iraq or Afghanistan, and you're sure as hell not going to convince a white US military to genocide white America.

Meanwhile a brown US military will be too corrupt and incompetent to do a better job regardless.

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(11-28-2018 11:46 PM)Higgs Bosun Wrote:  The whites/right are almost certain to lose any "civil war" due to the circumstances under which such a war would take place.

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That would be the first time ;-)

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(11-29-2018 12:29 AM)kamoz Wrote:  
(11-28-2018 11:46 PM)Higgs Bosun Wrote:  The whites/right are almost certain to lose any "civil war" due to the circumstances under which such a war would take place. If large scale unauthorized violence ever breaks out in the United States, it is sure to be in the context of whites rebelling against oppression by a Leftist-controlled government with a permanent electoral majority and not the other way around. If you look at the history* of peasant revolts, religious rebellions, ethnic uprisings etc, they are almost inevitably squashed with extreme prejudice by the existing power structure and the oppression that triggered them is then doubled-down on.

It's silly to think whites will have an "Afghan's chance" in any such conflict. I don't think I need to enumerate all the ways in which American power in that part of the world is hamstrung by (((humanitarian considerations))) whose complete removal would yield correspondingly complete victory in a matter of months. The truth is, even the Soviets used kid-gloves compared to how unruly peoples have typically been handled by alien rulers. The Mongols, for example, were fond of killing all the inhabitants save young females (whom they enslaved) in centers of resistance, which had the dual benefit of completely wiping out resistance in that particular region and scaring everyone else into submission. This was so effective that the conquered peoples submitted so totally as to send thousands of their prettiest daughters to the Mongols each year as tribute without complaint. The Hearts and Minds approach has not been very effective for the Americans in the Middle East. The Kill and Enslave approach was very effective for the Mongols. Rebellious whites are unlikely get the Hearts and Minds treatment by 20XX's Red- sorry, American- Army commanded by Jorge Levinez.

*The abysmal track record of such revolts actually underplays how hopeless any kind of uprising by whites against a Leftist US government in the future would be. In those days, the revolutionaries used more or less the same weaponry as the official standing armies they battled. Spears, swords, bows and arrows, etc. Even a pitchfork is only slightly less effective than the finest of swords in the heat of a melee and can actually be more effective depending on the circumstances. If whites rebel against the US Gov, they will be facing tanks, air power, directed energy weapons, advanced drones, etc with nothing more than a pimped out AR-15 and limited ammo. To put that in a historical context, it would be as if Spartacus' slave army faced off against the Roman Legions with literally only their dicks in their hands as weapons.

Wow Higgs, thanks again for yet another edgy post reminding all of the American members how they will be completely slaughtered and need to....move out of the country? (assuming that’s your proposed solution) by yesterday (apologies for rudely volunteering a solution so quickly). I’ve got my citizenship ready for X country in east Asia, my offshore bank account in Yuan, and a job lined up. I’m sure they’ll welcome me with open arms. If a single forum member reading this does not have the above things accomplished, you are utterly fucked and might as well off yourself because the scenario Higgs described will take place in 2024 at the latest. Just FYI.

I actually like this post because not only does it have excellent grammar like all your other posts, as well as edgy dark humor (Spartan slaves with dicks in their hand vs. Romans with swords, almost as funny as smiling politely while being sodomized Laugh), but you even included a footnote! It just keeps getting better. I’m looking forward to the next one.

I don't know if you are being sarcastic or just snide, but the day the US goes under your foreign bank account will be seized and your Asian citizenship will be cancelled.

I think you over estimate how welcoming the rest of the world is (especially if you don't have some backing from the US government.) No, there will not be some white colony is Asia, unless taken by force.
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Of course he's being sarcastic. Lighten up Francis.

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(11-29-2018 03:24 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I don't agree with Higgs' analysis.

It's far more complicated. The pointy end of the US military is made up almost entirely of red-state whites. It would be like trying to put down the IRA with a military comprised of Irish Republicans.

Secondly, they'd be killing their food supply, and with an economy in tatters they would also be dealing with a violent underclass rioting in the cities for want of gibs.

The reason they haven't crushed white American already is because they can't. Not militarily. They rely entirely on the death of a thousand cuts. Turn your farms and oil fields into rebel country while you're sitting on trillions of debt and you're fucked, no matter whether Goldman Sachs is in your pocket and you have some fancy drones. They couldn't pacify Iraq or Afghanistan, and you're sure as hell not going to convince a white US military to genocide white America.

Meanwhile a brown US military will be too corrupt and incompetent to do a better job regardless.

I suspect by the time the red-state whites finally rebel it will be far too late. Look at the shitstorm in South Africa: that's clearly the kind of situation where any right-winger on a forum would say it's time to start the guerilla civil war, but even there you still have white quislings claiming the whole problem is that whites are being insensitive and butchering farmers is just Bantu cultural tradition.

Plus, even if a brown military is incompetent and corrupt, by that point they would have the PR advantage of all the cities being 99% brown as well and all those white terror infrastructure attacks could justify wiping out rural populations in the view of all the new ethnically interesting Americans who have been heavily indoctrinated with left wing colonialism propaganda.
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(12-01-2018 02:55 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 03:24 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I don't agree with Higgs' analysis.

It's far more complicated. The pointy end of the US military is made up almost entirely of red-state whites. It would be like trying to put down the IRA with a military comprised of Irish Republicans.

Secondly, they'd be killing their food supply, and with an economy in tatters they would also be dealing with a violent underclass rioting in the cities for want of gibs.

The reason they haven't crushed white American already is because they can't. Not militarily. They rely entirely on the death of a thousand cuts. Turn your farms and oil fields into rebel country while you're sitting on trillions of debt and you're fucked, no matter whether Goldman Sachs is in your pocket and you have some fancy drones. They couldn't pacify Iraq or Afghanistan, and you're sure as hell not going to convince a white US military to genocide white America.

Meanwhile a brown US military will be too corrupt and incompetent to do a better job regardless.

I suspect by the time the red-state whites finally rebel it will be far too late. Look at the shitstorm in South Africa: that's clearly the kind of situation where any right-winger on a forum would say it's time to start the guerilla civil war, but even there you still have white quislings claiming the whole problem is that whites are being insensitive and butchering farmers is just Bantu cultural tradition.

Plus, even if a brown military is incompetent and corrupt, by that point they would have the PR advantage of all the cities being 99% brown as well and all those white terror infrastructure attacks could justify wiping out rural populations in the view of all the new ethnically interesting Americans who have been heavily indoctrinated with left wing colonialism propaganda.

The U.S. isn't South Africa. For one we are not (yet) outnumbered by a factor of almost 10:1. Plus we have a state system that will allow retrenchment, which purportedly already is going on via increased White flight out of CA and other democrat dominated states.

It's important that we don't project forward linearly based on the current state of affairs. Imagine for example a situation where a large percentage of Whites have been forced out of blue states and are increasingly collaborating to re-create a 1960s style CA economy up in the cold North West. To get a better idea of how this could play out watch this video:





Unless you have lived in CA and remember those days you probably have no idea what a paradise it used to be. Anyway, wherever we end up, it won't be like this of course in terms of weather and spirit. But it can be something new, something amazing, something we and our progeny can inspire to fight and die for.

Meanwhile the blue states are exponentially going to start running out of White people and especially the jizya that has been levied against theme for over 50 years now. Just look at Los Angeles or San Francisco to get a good idea where the rest of the nation is hurdling toward.

I have a feeling that we may actually get to a point where public sentiment completely inverts and cities will start begging Whites to remain in order for their economies to continue functioning. The ones who do will most likely enjoy a sudden shift in social status tantamount to what their parents and grandparents were used to their entire lives.

The ones who don't and leave will never ever forget the year 2016, when non-Whites finally dropped the mask and told us what they truly thought of us and how eagerly they were working toward turning us into 2nd class citizens.

After the events of the past two years I for one will never look at another black or latino, even Asian person in the same way. This is coming from someone who's best man was black. And I have an inkling I am not alone in feeling this way.

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(12-01-2018 03:27 PM)redpillage Wrote:  I have a feeling that we may actually get to a point where public sentiment completely inverts and cities will start begging Whites to remain in order for their economies to continue functioning. The ones who do will most likely enjoy a sudden shift in social status tantamount to what their parents and grandparents were used to their entire lives.

I can accept everything else in your post but not this one. If anything the attitude will be more hostile as white flight will be seen as taking their wealth (properly owed to everyone else) with them.

This already happened with white flight to the suburbs back in the sixties. You got decades of liberals blaming all gang activity on white taxpayers only funding their own school districts in the suburbs while the poor minority children didn't have the funding for music programs that would keep them away from drugs and guns by learning to play the tuba.
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Rhodesians nutted up and fought, and the only reason they lost was that they were not only abandoned by the West but flat out shivved in the back by us.

When domestic secessional struggles begin there will be no world order in place capable of telling the insurgents "give up and we'll let you expatriate peacefully". There will be nowhere to expatriate to anyway.

It will be a life and death struggle for blood and soil, just as it has been since the dawn of mankind.

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