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Fuck the whiners, Keep it Australia day.
01-29-2017 12:36 AM
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Happy Straya day brothers.
01-29-2017 06:14 AM
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RE: The Australia Day thread
(01-27-2017 07:11 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  40,000 years on one of the most resource rich islands free from foreign intervention until the Dutch in ~1600.

Oh well...
Had the aborigines advances during those 40K years, perhaps they would have fought off the Brits?

With all this talk of walls 'tween Mexico & America.
I wonder if the aborigines in hindsight would have preferred a civilization capable of building a wall around Australia back in the day? Rolleyes

It's basically poor loser syndrome. If the best they could come up with in 40,000 years was a curved throwing stick and finger painting, well I think they're pretty lucky to still exist. Things could have been worse...

What if the Chinese rocked up in 1788 and decided they wanted to add something exotic to their yum cha menus? The last remnants of their culture could have been wiped out in a bamboo steamer at Mrs Wong's dumpling house.
01-30-2017 12:29 AM
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Thats the way i look at it too - no other people got anywhere near 40000 years insulated from the rest of the world. It was a situation that was both lucky and unlucky - lucky that they were free from pressure from foreign powers but unlucky in that the same lack of pressure resulted in a lack of impetus to progress. Old world people advanced because they had to, or theyd be destroyed by people who did.

Ultimately abos just joined the ranks of the hundreds or thousands of other failed civilizations littered throughout history. They had a good run, but they couldnt hide from the world forever.

I might occasionally wonder what the world would be like if atlanteans or minoans hadnt been destroyed, but there just isnt the same feeling of loss with regards to aboriginal culture. They could have been conquered 50000 years ago or 5 minutes ago and their impact on the world would still be nil.
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You Can't Make This Shit Up!

Anthony Mundine is right. Advance Australia Fair is racist

Quote:HERE’S a sentence you don’t hear every day: Anthony Mundine is right.

Mundine has said he won’t stand for the national anthem ahead of his bout against Danny Green at the Adelaide Oval.

And Advance Australia Fair really IS racist. Or at least it was.

The original last verse of the song, written by Peter Dodds McCormick in 1878, made it clear that the settlers of the Great Southern Land stood ready to defend the British bloodline from foreign invaders:

Should foreign foe e’er sight our coast,

Or dare a foot to land,

We’ll rouse to arms like sires of yore,

To guard our native strand;


Britannia then shall surely know,

Though oceans roll between,

Her sons in fair Australia’s land

Still keep their courage green.



And just in case this wasn’t obvious enough the verse was rewritten during World War I to emphasise:

Britannia then shall surely know,

Beyond wide oceans roll,

Her sons in fair Australia’s land

Still keep a British soul.



According to the sheet music in the National Library, McCormick thanked the late professor Stuart Blackie for this “improvement”.

The original also referred to “Australia’s sons”, making it deeply sexist too.

And it declared “Britannia rules the wave” so it was also militaristic, imperialist, colonialist and anglo-centric.

Moreover there is not a single mention of the LGBTIQ community, so it is probably homophobic as well.

Now I’m not a professional historian, but one possible reason for this is IT WAS WRITTEN A CENTURY AND A HALF AGO.

But here’s the catch: The song never became our national anthem until 1984.

The two verses referring to British wave-ruling and strand-defending were completely deleted and “Australia’s sons” was replaced with “Australians all”.

And the new second verse was reworked to make it a universal welcome to all migrants to this, an overwhelmingly immigrant nation. As a certain lamb ad observed, ultimately we are all boat people.

These days the real problem with the national anthem isn’t that it’s racist, it’s that it’s boring as batshit. Both lyrically and melodically it is a dull, uninspiring dirge.

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I need to take a break to collect myself before commenting on this. For everyones sake.




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edit. Ha! Leonard preaches here earlier!

(01-25-2017 09:33 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The date of Australia day is just one of many targets. Anything that has nationalist value and speaks to our traditions or pays homage to our forefathers is on the chopping block, so there's really no point in compromising with the left on a single, solitary issue.
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Its a national anthem, not a top 40 hit.

Maybe this dumb cunt would like to change our national anthem annually, perhaps to whatever is number 1 on triple j hottest 100?
01-30-2017 01:53 AM
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Grievance mongering fuckwits.

Personally I'm going to do my bit (and then some) to hold back the progressive tide, but if the floodgates fall then I'm uprooting my family and moving my ass to America, by hook or by crook.

The one thing I could never stand about my fellow Australians was how lax they were about their freedom and how much they took our fantastic position in the world for granted. Even the so called conservatives are bad in this regard.
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(01-30-2017 02:07 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Grievance mongering fuckwits.

Personally I'm going to do my bit (and then some) to hold back the progressive tide, but if the floodgates fall then I'm uprooting my family and moving my ass to America, by hook or by crook.

The one thing I could never stand about my fellow Australians was how lax they were about their freedom and how much they took our fantastic position in the world for granted. Even the so called conservatives are bad in this regard.

The stench of pussy is rife within Australian politics. The bickering and in fighting that ousted Tony Abbott has feminine weakness written all over it. Here is a man voted in by the public and replaced by a small minority who think they know better. The right are just as cucked as the left.

What happened to Tony has been the main goal of cuckservatives during Trump's campaign and Soros led Democrats/Anarchists during his first few weeks in office. The difference is, they have no power to impeach him, and no feasible way to oust him from the office.

The biggest sign that we have been cucked as a nation, is when the public showed little to no outrage at the man they voted for, being upended by a small few Liberal feminists [And faggots] who think they know better than the people they work for.
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(01-30-2017 12:29 AM)Guile Wrote:  It's basically poor loser syndrome. If the best they could come up with in 40,000 years was a curved throwing stick and finger painting, well I think they're pretty lucky to still exist. Things could have been worse...
What if the Chinese rocked up in 1788 and decided they wanted to add something exotic to their yum cha menus? The last remnants of their culture could have been wiped out in a bamboo steamer at Mrs Wong's dumpling house.

(01-30-2017 01:02 AM)king bast Wrote:  Thats the way i look at it too - no other people got anywhere near 40000 years insulated from the rest of the world. It was a situation that was both lucky and unlucky - lucky that they were free from pressure from foreign powers but unlucky in that the same lack of pressure resulted in a lack of impetus to progress. Old world people advanced because they had to, or theyd be destroyed by people who did.
Ultimately abos just joined the ranks of the hundreds or thousands of other failed civilizations littered throughout history. They had a good run, but they couldnt hide from the world forever.
I might occasionally wonder what the world would be like if atlanteans or minoans hadnt been destroyed, but there just isnt the same feeling of loss with regards to aboriginal culture. They could have been conquered 50000 years ago or 5 minutes ago and their impact on the world would still be nil.


Yep.
It is said the Mongols slaughtered up to ~1 million in Baghdad alone, back in the day. Or at least routed ~1mil from that city.
Had the Mongols headed south instead of west...
01-30-2017 07:01 AM
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(01-30-2017 02:07 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Grievance mongering fuckwits.
Personally I'm going to do my bit (and then some) to hold back the progressive tide, but if the floodgates fall then I'm uprooting my family and moving my ass to America, by hook or by crook.
The one thing I could never stand about my fellow Australians was how lax they were about their freedom and how much they took our fantastic position in the world for granted. Even the so called conservatives are bad in this regard.

(01-30-2017 03:49 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  The stench of pussy is rife within Australian politics. The bickering and in fighting that ousted Tony Abbott has feminine weakness written all over it. Here is a man voted in by the public and replaced by a small minority who think they know better. The right are just as cucked as the left.
What happened to Tony has been the main goal of cuckservatives during Trump's campaign and Soros led Democrats/Anarchists during his first few weeks in office. The difference is, they have no power to impeach him, and no feasible way to oust him from the office.
The biggest sign that we have been cucked as a nation, is when the public showed little to no outrage at the man they voted for, being upended by a small few Liberal feminists [And faggots] who think they know better than the people they work for.


Another example of complacency leading to soft & self-destructive behaviour.
I often wonder how the average self-centered 'Aussie' would handle a scenario of distinct hardship (one whereby America is not there for the rescue).
01-30-2017 07:06 AM
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I'm surrounded by fairly tough folks, given that I live in the country.

Even during WW2 there was still a good ratio of people living and working rurally. People who knew how to do dangerous jobs, shoot a gun and were familiar with the sight of blood.

How a modern war would look if it ever reached out to Australia is beyond me.

I think most of the casualties would be from latte-withdrawal related suicides.
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(01-30-2017 08:06 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I'm surrounded by fairly tough folks, given that I live in the country.

Even during WW2 there was still a good ratio of people living and working rurally. People who knew how to do dangerous jobs, shoot a gun and were familiar with the sight of blood.

How a modern war would look if it ever reached out to Australia is beyond me.

That's easy. Australia gets its four submarines sunk in about half an hour, burns through its entire ammo supply and most of its tanks in about 4 weeks trying to hold a perimeter around Cairns, and then a nuclear-armed US carrier group shows up. After all, that's essentially the Australian defence strategy, and why we keep putting literally our best troops -- typically SAS -- into wars with the US. I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad idea: it might be a blood price we pay, but it's a blood price a hell of a lot smaller than we'd pay if we had to defend the entire northwest WA through northeast QLD coast all by ourselves.

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That's the irony.

I've always wondered why we never aggressively populated the north of Australia. Particularly after WW2.

Since I've never been up there I can only assume that it's all miserable land not worth a dollar, though my second guess would be that the East coast is not interested in the slightest in investing the funds of our nation in anything that isn't East-coast-centric.
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Double edged sword.
Be so far from the rest of the world, that any foreign nation would have to stretch its logistical capacity to extremes to effectively mount a traditional campaign.
Plus we'd see said campaign coming from a mile away.

Yet have that distance & isolation trick the locals into thinking they're safe & that no one would -ever- bother coming all this way.

Canberra to repeat the same mistake the aborigines made in the past?
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(01-30-2017 10:00 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  That's the irony.

I've always wondered why we never aggressively populated the north of Australia. Particularly after WW2.

Since I've never been up there I can only assume that it's all miserable land not worth a dollar, though my second guess would be that the East coast is not interested in the slightest in investing the funds of our nation in anything that isn't East-coast-centric.

Fun fact: in 1939, there was a proposal to settle 50,000 Jewish refugees on three million hectares in the North West. The Sydney Morning Herald of the time advocated the idea saying that area needed to be developed. Didn't go ahead, of course, but I'll leave you to consider the implications of that idea.

As for why it hasn't been colonised otherwise, the main reason seems to be because it's too fucking hot up that way and there aren't enough people in Australia to warrant building up that way. Of course it's also because the southeast of Australia doesn't give much of a shit about anywhere except the southeast of Australia, but anyway.

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(01-30-2017 10:30 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Canberra to repeat the same mistake the aborigines made in the past?

Similar average IQ.
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(01-30-2017 10:38 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Fun fact: in 1939, there was a proposal to settle 50,000 Jewish refugees on three million hectares in the North West. The Sydney Morning Herald of the time advocated the idea saying that area needed to be developed. Didn't go ahead, of course, but I'll leave you to consider the implications of that idea.

As for why it hasn't been colonised otherwise, the main reason seems to be because it's too fucking hot up that way and there aren't enough people in Australia to warrant building up that way. Of course it's also because the southeast of Australia doesn't give much of a shit about anywhere except the southeast of Australia, but anyway.

This reminds me of something a mate of mine said once when we were on the piss debating. He was something of a believer in immigration, says it's necessary for economic growth or some shit and thought me and the other mate there were redneck idiots. (That was 10 years ago and I'm not sure he would stand by his analysis today.)

When it came to "Persons of Middle Eastern Descent" He said "Well they're desert people, have been for many generations. We've got shitloads of desert. Why don't we say "There you go...desert, just the way you like it...go, populate" But no, suddenly they all need to live right by the coast."

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Surprised someone hasn't started the Cory Bernadi thread yet. Aka, the guy who referenced RoK, is inspired by Trump, and is starting his own conservative faction. Might have to pull the trigger myself.
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(01-19-2016 11:26 PM)ordinaryleastsquared Wrote:  I stand by my analysis.
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Make Australia Great( or Great again)
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