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(04-22-2018 09:42 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  
(04-22-2018 03:01 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  It's hard to see any candidate other than AMLO winning, they just don't have his charisma.

Watching the debate live. So far they've been accusing each other of being the most corrupt.

AMLO seems the most confident in his body language and voice. Makes sense, since he has the most experience as a speaker/politician and has a strong lead in the polls. But he goes off track when he starts citing statistics.

Anaya is the beta candidate, too intellectual and nerdy looking.

Meade looks presidential enough but is the establishment candidate, associated with the current government that is not at all popular.

El Bronco is a minor/independent candidate. He just suggested cutting off the hands of bad guys and claims he wasn't joking. That should get him some attention.

Zavala, wife of a ex president, is also a minor/independent candidate. She has a tough persona and I can see her being popular with women but she is low in the polls.

The moderators are decent, nothing like the clowns who moderated the 2016 US debates.

None of these candidates are 'master persuaders' in the Scott Adams sense. They're talking to the moderator and to each other rather than thinking about how their message and image will resonate with the voters watching at home.

Anywhere we can watch this online?
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(04-22-2018 09:57 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  Anywhere we can watch this online?

In Spanish:


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All 3 look like globalist candidates to me - just with different levels on the left-right scale. Nothing will change in Mexico.
04-23-2018 01:57 AM
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(04-23-2018 01:57 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  All 3 look like globalist candidates to me - just with different levels on the left-right scale.

Based on what? That's a bizarre comment.

1. The candidates and the parties aren't really on a left-right scale, at least not in the sense that those terms are understood in US politics.

2. This debate didn't touch on the economy, economic issues. Presumably that's coming up in the future debates.
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(04-23-2018 02:13 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  
(04-23-2018 01:57 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  All 3 look like globalist candidates to me - just with different levels on the left-right scale.

Based on what? That's a bizarre comment.

1. The candidates and the parties aren't really on a left-right scale, at least not in the sense that those terms are understood in US politics.

2. This debate didn't touch on the economy, economic issues. Presumably that's coming up in the future debates.

It's only bizarre if you don't know how the world runs.

The candidates:

1) Left-wing - easily controlled - will push through some leftist crap with irrelevant results for the majority

2) young grasshopper willing to do everything for globalist money - corporate candidate - maybe push through some more capitalist reforms.

3) status-quo candidate - nothing will change

If you want to know why and how things are run you would need to read the books of Carroll Quigley, Antony Sutton, Reece commission on Foundations in the 1950s (americandeception.com) - or check out Alan Watt's site cuttingthroughthematrix.com

I doubt that a true anti-establishment candidate like Andrew Jackson or Abe Lincoln could have a chance in Mexico - no way in hell. Much more advanced countries are finding out that it is close to impossible to launch a true anti-globalist reformer.
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(04-22-2018 10:03 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  
(04-22-2018 09:57 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  Anywhere we can watch this online?

In Spanish:



Thanks!
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(04-23-2018 02:32 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  It's only bizarre if you don't know how the world runs.

You can't understand local/national politics by applying a universal template. You actually have to be knowledgeable about the country, the culture and the society to understand what's going on. Nothing you've written in this thread demonstrates an understanding of Mexico's internal situation. And the sources you quoted are not about Mexico, either.
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(04-23-2018 08:10 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  
(04-23-2018 02:32 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  It's only bizarre if you don't know how the world runs.

You can't understand local/national politics by applying a universal template. You actually have to be knowledgeable about the country, the culture and the society to understand what's going on. Nothing you've written in this thread demonstrates an understanding of Mexico's internal situation. And the sources you quoted are not about Mexico, either.

Actually Carroll Quigley has a good portion on the real history of Mexico. But never mind - we can discuss the way how almost all countries in the world are controlled by a centralized group. If you would enter the higher strata of Mexico, then you would find it very similar to other countries in the world. The grassroots problems and general economy is different - and so are the local problems, because that is a strong mix created by the people of that country. Many factors go into that - also the ability and willingness/ability of that people to fight against corruption.

But we can talk in 2 years post election how things have dramatically changed in Mexico. Scotch is on me - you will need it, even if your dream candidate wins.
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(04-24-2018 02:15 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  But we can talk in 2 years post election how things have dramatically changed in Mexico. Scotch is on me - you will need it, even if your dream candidate wins.

You've misread me, as you misread the political landscape in Mexico.

1. I don't have a dream candidate. I have no opinion about which candidate or party would be best for Mexico. That's a problem for Mexico.

2. I don't think things will dramatically change for the better in Mexico based on who or which party wins. It's possible but unlikely. It seems more probable that a bad candidate could make things worse.
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Funny vid about an autonomous town of Mexico that booted out all police, criminals and politicians - and it's thriving since 7 years!





Of course it has an armed militia who is cooperating like shepherds. Crime is close to zero - and violent crime certainly is. They had to boot out the cops, because they were protecting the criminals who terrorized the town.

Shows you that the people of Mexico do have the ability to self-govern and have a peaceful prosperous society without crime.
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As the Cartels are parasites upon the Host (Nation of Mexico) last thing the cartels want to see is the Host economy drastically collapse... also I was not aware that the USA imports from Mexico are approx $360 Billion a year worth of goods agricultural and manufactured (Auto Parts and fully assembled Autos etc) from Mexico - Last I checked Mexico basically only imports WalMart stuff from the USA (Mostly Made in China with the occasional roboticized baby diaper and toilet paper factory in the southern USA). The irony is with just 5% tariffs on $360B equals $18 Billion a year and 10% = $36 Billion a year - and damn if El jeffe Don Trumpismo el Hermano Orange Grande esta mucho correcto - Mexico, in fact, will pay for the effing wall that Vicente Fox former corrupt Coca Cola Exec and former President of Mexico said they would not effing pay... This is actually more tariffs leverage over Mexico than the USA has over China or the EU. Who else will buy all this stuff from Mexico?

What's worse is the surge in illegal border crossers with help of the DNC, Soros Funded NGOs and UN Agency for Refugees is now at an all-time high up 34% from just April to May of this year... Central American radio stations broadcasting instructions how to apply for full ride welfare benefits (Housing, Medical, Food, EBT & WIC, Obamaphones, jobs training programs, schools for their kids etc etc) life in a US Ghetto is far better than life in a tin roof dirt floor shack in Honduras, Guatemala or El Salvador especially if you mule drugs and cash in and out of the USA to Mexico for the Cartels as a side hustle.

Wednesday’s announcement by Customs and Border Protection of a significant surge in border crossings was meant to put pressure on the Mexican government to meet Mr. Trump’s demands. More than 144,200 migrants were arrested and taken into custody along the southwestern border in May, a 32 percent increase from April and the highest monthly total in 13 years. Most crossed the border illegally, while about 10 percent arrived without the proper documentation at ports of entry along the border.

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I'm glad this is working, but it's just a band-aid. You can't outsource your security to a foreign nation, whether it's by bribing it or threatening it by tariffs. If USA doesn't manage to build the wall/deport millions/remove incentives, it's finished no matter how much help Mexico provides.

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