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Idiots risk women's lives in AFL by concussion for sake of gender equality
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/huge-hi...45d146acad

The small background for the US readers: Australian Rules Football is a fairly rough version of soccer mixed with NFL: no body armour, no stops and inches and all that, you can use your hands to run the ball and kick and all that, and a fairly high level of physicality is allowed in competing for the ball, again with certain limits. It's been entrenched here for a good hundred years or so. It has a following equivalent to that of NFL in Australia; it's the main reason other ball sports like soccer have never taken off here.

By virtue of that long history, AFL developed fairly specialised ways of training players to cope with hard hits. Particularly with respect to concussion. Remember, there's no padding, no armour, and whatnot, so if you're on a AFL field as a professional it's not inconceivable you might cop a hit like this:





(And it's not inconceivable you might cop that kind of hit playing amateur as well.)

I should note I'm ambivalent about the whole idea of professional AFL as it is. Men do lots of stupid shit for the same of money, pussy, and to get some kind of masculine competition going. And the AFL league -- I would imagine like the NFL -- has a bad reputation for churning up young, strong, healthy players, giving them no support to beat drug problems, and leaving them with no support if their careers flame out early ... or indeed no support if they do leave a stellar AFL career and go back to a life of essential mediocrity, drug addiction, and crime, as Ben Cousins' life demonstrates. The NFL at least makes people wear fucking helmets, and its long-running feud with doctors on the issue of concussion is well-known. The AFL doesn't do any of that.

Anyway, the salient point is that AFL in Australia for a good hundred years or so has been solely a man's game. Until this year, and unlike pretty well every other form of sport where women have suffered the traditional physical inferiority complex, it never had a women's league.

Now it does.

My complaint is not really that as such: I was looking forward to the same chortleworthy progress of the Women's AFL as Women's Soccer currently enjoys -- i.e. if the women aren't wearing lingerie, nobody really wants to watch them. And even lingerie footy leagues are pretty fucking boring.

No, my complaint is about what's raised in this article:

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/huge-hi...45d146acad

Quote:WHEN Sydney Swans premiership winner Tadhg Kennelly said he had concerns about the ability of AFLW players to protect themselves from collision injuries, it was never a discussion about gender.

Interpreted by some as a gateway opener to the broader conversation about Australian society’s ability to accept women in rough sports like rugby and UFC, Kennelly was in fact raising a much deeper and real issue the AFLW has not been able to address in its inaugural season.

It’s not a lack of testosterone. It’s not a lack of experience playing the game. It’s a lack of elite coaching and instruction in the art of very specific technical skills supporters take for granted.

When Kennelly said he has an issue with the women’s game, it was actually his simple way of saying he has an issue with footballers playing at an incredibly high intensity without having had any opportunity to perfect the techniques that AFL players use to limit their risk of injury in the chaos of the contest.

Right now, after two rounds of the season, AFLW players are more susceptible to collision injuries because they are playing at professional-level intensity without the level of professional situational-specific technique training to back it up.

“This is uncharted ground and it takes time and a lot of coaching to get used to protecting the head,” Kennelly told Fox Sports.


“I have a concern — it’s a small concern — but I know how difficult it is coming from the other side of the world and protecting your neck and head. It took me a long time to get over it and get it right. That’s the concern I have with women’s football.

“There are a lot of girls who haven’t played a whole lot of AFL football at the top level and not as fulltime professionals.

“It takes time and a lot of coaching to get used to protecting the head.”

The guy immediately "clarified" (read: said it's not about the vagina) his comments the next day. Which makes him a fucking coward who's actually afraid of a bunch of women, because it is about the vagina, but let's leave that aside. Unsurprisingly, one of the high-T bitches complicit in this bastradry went on to endorse it without realising she's basically setting herself up for a lawsuit:

Quote:Rather than blow up at Kennelly for his feedback on the AFLW, Women’s AFL legend and Melbourne Demons women’s football operations manager Debbie Lee said she agreed that women’s players need more education and technique-specific training in a range of areas, including collision injury prevention.

She said the game is trying to fast track the coaching of specific skills, including head protection, on the run.


“It seems to me like people are trying to make it a gender thing. It’s not a gender thing,” Lee told news.com.au.

“These girls are athletes. There’s concussions which happen in the men’s teams as well because of the competitiveness and that will happen in the women’s league because of competitiveness. Obviously there needs to be more education around technique, but at the end of the day it’s a competitive sport and you are going to clash with your opponent.”

Lee said playing in front of large crowds for the first time is spiking the adrenaline of AFLW players resulting in higher intensity collisions between players.

However, she said it is simply wrong to believe the physicality seen in the opening two rounds of the competition is any different from the competitiveness women’s football players have been producing in state leagues and exhibition matches for years.

“People need to have a look at how these girls play at VFL level,” Lee said.

“It’s not that they’ve gone to another level. They’ve always played their footy like this. Granted the adrenaline may have kicked in because they have a crowd of 7000-plus.”

She said the AFLW’s infancy and the limitations of a short season and even shorter preseason blunts clubs’ abilities to coach and perfect complex techniques like protecting players’ heads.

The simple explanation for the sudden concern for the safety of women’s football players is that they have never been as scrutinised as they have under the AFLW’s inaugural broadcast deal. Other than that, very little has changed.

“The more time we have with our players, the more investment we can put into them, they’ll be better developed in their personal growth and their football growth,” Lee said.

“When you take into account the limited time we have with them, their output is outstanding.”

This is macho idiocy, dreadfully overcompensating for absent masculinity. This is a direct admission that the AFLW went right into a season without telling women how to properly protect their heads -- the most vulnerable part of the body in a game that has no fucking protection for it whatsoever.

I am not surprised it hasn't even been thought about until there was serious money riding on the game and thus the prospect of one of these players bringing a lawsuit against the AFLW. These guys repeating themselves that it's not a gender thing are denying the basic facts of biology and the difference between the sexes in terms of musculature. Not only are women less strong, they are less built to handle massive hits than men, especially when they're charged up on adrenaline.

But more than that, it's throwing the lives and health of female players to the wolves solely for the sake of feminism. This is not social/career/psychological health being endangered, it's physical health. They have clearly pushed the women's league into action without taking the full precautions for the players' safety, i.e. training them to take the hits.

And it always happens when a high-profile woman or band of women are pushed into a role too early. The two women they tried to push through the Army Ranger school were one example. They risked their health and those of their group for the sake of gender.

But the most significant parallel, and the one I immediately thought of, was Kara Hultgreen, the first female US naval aviator, who was not trained properly and rushed through for the sake of a gender headline, got herself killed and destroyed a multi-million-dollar fighter, not that the plane's the biggest loss. Or should I say her idiot trainers got her killed: they had the duty of care and by definition knew better.

The moment it becomes about women doing the same as men, all safety considerations get thrown out the window.

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02-14-2017 08:35 PM
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RE: Idiots risk women's lives in AFL by concussion for sake of gender equality
This whole Womens AFL business is a joke, for which the AFL will learn a very costly lesson. It's been pushed hard overt the last few weeks, and with each push, I just roll my eyes a little more. I've got so many little gripes about this that I've been mentally cataloguing. Let me rattle a few off, in no particular order:

First of all, the talent pool is so shallow that most of the players are simply athletic females, not specialists in the sport. I don't even watch state league footy because of the clear difference in quality from the national comp, and this gap is tiny compared to that between state league mens and "elite" womens comp. If I wanted to watch shit footy, I'd go down the local oval and watch the D grade amateurs.

Second, the media storm surrounding the first game and it's "sell-out crowd" was so obviously manufactured, I felt a bit insulted. It was in Melbourne, not only the AFL capital of Australia, but the SJW capital also. Put out the word on the SJW scene that there was a "historic, ground breaking milestone for gender equality" going on, and its little surprise they managed to get 20,000 people to the game. At the time I thought, "yeah, but will they get even 10% of that in 6 weeks time?" - and that was even before I learned that the tickets were free.

Another little thing I noticed was that the AFL website lists all the results of the mens games on the homepage, while this information requires a click for the womens. I just know they're counting clicks to "prove" the interest is there, but sorry, I'm just not interested enough to give a single click. I heard that only one goal was scored in a game, and was curious whether they were all so lack lustre, but I can't confirm without the click. Oh well, I think I can guess the answer to that.

Last (for now) is that anyone who has watched female sports knows it's not just that they lack power and speed, they are also very fragile. The "debate" usually revolves around the false belief that "women can hit as hard as men" but what is not addressed as often, is that they simply can't take the punishment men can. It's not a matter of "training" - female professional MMA fighters have no shortage of training, but they often break physically or throw in the towel very easily, even at the top level.

I'm surveying the scene in bemusement, and there is a very important lesson coming. Large corporations, including the AFL have enough backing and money that they are somewhat insulated from the results of these stupid experiments, but this is going to be a very costly error from the AFL. There is no interest and therefore no revenue - hopefully other corporations will review this mistake and rethink their support for social justice. Then again, pigs might fly.
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02-14-2017 09:19 PM
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(02-14-2017 09:19 PM)king bast Wrote:  ...they managed to get 20,000 people to the game. At the time I thought, "yeah, but will they get even 10% of that in 6 weeks time?" - and that was even before I learned that the tickets were free.

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This game is fucking brutal. I played some Rugby in a local league and it was a two time thing, my 39 year old body was not up to the task-and these were just weekend warriors. What I saw in that video was another level, goddamn those are hard ass men.

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I used to watch AFL back in the 80's. Back when ESPN was starting out here in the states, they used to run AFL literally ALL DAY, EVERYDAY. So as a kid, home on summer break from school, it was on TV all the time. I used to love watching it because it was so foreign to us here in the US. They used to have the referee make those funny hand movements, wearing the funny white hat and white suit jacket. I heard its big in the south, I want to watch a match when I finally get there.
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Let them play. I learnt long ago that the only language some people speak is consequence. They need to learn that this just isn't a viable venture.

When the injuries pile up you'll see the introduction of extra safety rules. Combined with the general worse athletic ability of women it will make for a poor sport.

If its a shit sport to watch (like so many women's competitions) then it won't sell tickets. Without ticket sales the whole thing will fall over.

Just like the Ghostbusters movie, the economics of what they're doing will solve the problem for you.
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Good, bad or ugly. All actions have consequences.

Also, what was that about not interrupting an opponent when they're making an error?
02-14-2017 11:16 PM
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(02-14-2017 09:40 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  This game is fucking brutal. I played some Rugby in a local league and it was a two time thing, my 39 year old body was not up to the task-and these were just weekend warriors. What I saw in that video was another level, goddamn those are hard ass men.

Thing is, you look back a decade or two and it was rougher. There's been a lot more awareness of concussion recently, and crackdowns on on field punch ons in the last 10 -15 years.

Crowd of 20,000? That's [/b]all[/b]? The way it was being hyped....well, I predict it'll quietly fall away in a couple of years, assuming they don't get sued into oblivion.
02-15-2017 02:11 AM
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Females in sports are as useless as tits on man. Sports have always been a way for men to prove their masculinity and increased their sexual market value. Sense a woman's sexual market value is not determined by her athleticism there is absolutely no point for them to compete other than to have fun
02-15-2017 02:49 AM
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I think I noted on another thread that I was in a waiting room when a much-hyped match last year of this nonsense was on the television.

It was painfully obvious that the roar of the crowds was totally faked. There were times when apparently there was thunderous applause and yet in the brief glimpses of the anaemic crowds nobody was even paying attention. For that matter, the bored-shitless spectators were dutifully kept out of the shots to the greatest extent possible, often leading to bizarre and confusing shots that put the "athletes" at the top of the screen with nothing but a sea of green grass beneath them. Panning shots of plays down the field from raised camera locations were notably axed for this reason, replaced with near- ground level shots that could crop the patchwork crowds out a little easier.

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02-15-2017 09:27 AM
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Your average person has no conception of just how physically weak women are. I got into a argument with some idiots who thought that a trained female martial artist was in anyway a match for an average man.

They utterly fail to understand bell curves.

They utterly fail to understand fighting.

They utterly fail to acknowledge facts (this last one is a whole series on real life abilities and D&D scores, with comparisons between the sexes added in).

This is what happens when 120lb Scarlet Johanson is shown beating up 8 guys at once. People incorporate it as reality.

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I used to go to uni and we had girl's footy there. People don't realise you won't get injured if you run half as fast as the men do and go into a contest half as committed as men do against smaller, softer, weaker female opposition.
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(02-14-2017 11:16 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Also, what was that about not interrupting an opponent when they're making an error?

I feel no urge to White Knight for the safety of Lesbians from Melbourne who would overwhelmingly vote for Leftist Insanity at every election. If they want to spend the rest of their lives in wheelchairs from chasing the myth of equality, that's not really my concern.

Do some image searching and look at the girls who are into this. Given the correlation between Lesbians and domestic violence, and their need to utterly-destroy anyone they perceive as their opponents, it's entirely-possible that the Lesbian Population of Melbourne will cull themselves from the herd of their own accord within a generation.

So.... shrug.
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