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RE: Jorge Ramos: America Is ‘Our Country, Not Theirs’—‘And We Are Not Going to Leave’
I wouldn't underestimate this guy. He clearly has massive influence with Latinos in America, and might stir up animosity and discontent in the population.

I really hope rpg is right and Latino groups are too disorganized to unite around this. Hard for me to say since I'm just not familiar enough with the demographics.
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(02-28-2017 02:27 AM)stugatz Wrote:  How in the hell did we ever let it get this bad? I'm glad we're stopping the problem now, but this "no human being is illegal" horseshit has been screwing this country over ever since Reagan's 1986 amnesty bill. Hell, I'm sure it was well before that - what are the numbers on immigration from Ted Kennedy's 1965 abomination through 1986? (Or post-Operation Wetback - Eisenhower's mass deportations - through 1965?)

I am happy we caught it, but I'm beginning to think that there is going to be absolutely no peaceful way to solve this, and we're going to end up making Mexico and Mexicans hostile. For the record, I'm not worried about our army versus theirs - I'm worried about Mexican gangs and criminals targeting whites. I'd be getting very antsy right now if I were in the southwest.

You are not that far off in that it was when the 60's is when this started. I used to live in the Southwest so I know some of the less known history, and I have heard stories from family who lived during the time. Illegal Immigration was not a big problem until the Southwest was developed and connected with interstate highways. I believe that it is the "Grapes of Wrath" where people from the dust-bowl area of the planes were sold on great jobs in California only to sold on picking fruit for a living on slave wages during the 1930's. As this booked was based on reality, my point is that Illegal Immigration was non-existent during the depression and that included a time when Roosevelt was price fixing everything, including wages.

I would contend that living in the Southwest was economically equal as living in Mexico. No one wants to work in the AZ heat now or back then. The difference now is that Air Conditioning makes working indoors in the Southwest a viable option for office dwellers. Likewise getting to any places that are reasonable like NorCal, or near the Grand Canyon, was a hard hike that was several hundreds of miles. There was no real roadways in the area. That is until WWII made the Southwest more developed and viable.

During WWII California had unprecedented development in infrastructure and population and continued on in the 50's. Illegal Immigration was allowed during WWII as there was an obvious lack of manpower, but as stated, Eisenhower deported them en-mass in the 50's when illegal labor is no longer needed. Any Mexicans who crossed the border in the 40's and 50's did not really have a place to work at other than what was in California, South Texas, and Tucson. Likewise they could not travel to the rest of the country that easily as there was no interstate highway travel and the railroad companies tend to not like squatters on their freight. Illegal Immigration was localized during this time.

When the Interstates came in during the 60's to the area that connected the rest of the country easier to the Southwest, then is when the problems started. Now everyone can travel the country easier in private and that included illegals being smuggled in paneled vans all over the country in a day or two. After that the laws to allow what we had today was created as well as the unholy alliance between big business for cheap labor and the government for new and pliant citizens that we have today. Without all three, I contend that Illegal Immigration would not be a high priority. If there was no way to travel the country within 48 hours, a business environment that breaking the law to save money is allowed, and an appeasing government, then we would not have what we have now. California is now a Minority Majority state where it used to not be the case.

Fun fact: Ernesto Miranda from Miranda v. Arizona, the guy that your Miranda rights are named after, was an illegal alien who admitted to his crime after 2 hours of interrogation. He just did not know that he could have an attorney present during the interrogation to negotiate a better sentence.

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I've said it before in the Civil Unrest thread, and I'll say it again here:

If Trump is to truly "win" for the country in the long-term, he'll need to start charging people like Ramos with sedition. Put the living fear of God into each and every agitator who calls for race wars and treason. Confuse the media at the same time by charging some violent white separatist types at the same time, so he can say "look, it isn't just the brown people we're going after".

Sessions needs to be slaming the courtrooms with lawsuits against these traitors.

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(02-28-2017 09:33 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  I've said it before in the Civil Unrest thread, and I'll say it again here:

If Trump is to truly "win" for the country in the long-term, he'll need to start charging people like Ramos with sedition. Put the living fear of God into each and every agitator who calls for race wars and treason. Confuse the media at the same time by charging some violent white separatist types at the same time, so he can say "look, it isn't just the brown people we're going after".

Sessions needs to be slaming the courtrooms with lawsuits against these traitors.

As the Mexican cartels are an insurgent rouge foreign organization bent on destroying the US, I would contend that they are terrorists, and anyone who supports them can be charged with the statutes attributable for conspiracy to commit terrorism.

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(02-28-2017 11:15 PM)Bluto Wrote:  As the Mexican cartels are an insurgent rouge foreign organization bent on destroying the US, I would contend that they are terrorists, and anyone who supports them can be charged with the statutes attributable for conspiracy to commit terrorism.

If the mexican cartels are terrorists, that would make mexicans fleeing into the U.S, refugees. Which would probably give them some kind of protected status, making deporting them a lot harder. Which is probably why the cartels haven't been labelled as terrorists by the current administration
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Going back to the China opium trade, the drug business has been an oligarch business. Things haven't changed all that much.





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The cartels work for them, just like the terrorists do.

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(02-27-2017 01:55 PM)rpg Wrote:  Ramos is trying to spool up a revolt. It wont happen. There is no unity among Latino groups.

This is pretty spot on. The far left was momentarily shocked to learn this reality in the previous election, via the polling results in Florida. They honestly believed that all "Latinos" culturally identified with day-laboring Mexicans: as if they all read the same Gary Soto novels in their Multi-Cultural Literature course at San Francisco Community College. The exclusivity of the liberal clique, exemplified.

They underestimated (or perhaps they never really knew) that there are Argentinians that consider themselves European, Cubans that vote Republican, or Dominicans that send their children to expensive private schools. Not only do these wealthy Latinos NOT identify with illegal Mexicans, they feel culturally superior to them.

It's also worth mentioning that many "Latinos" (whatever that word means) prey on one another in the United States: they pay illegals shitty wages, scam each other with false immigration promises, etc. The list goes on and on. Illegal Mexicans receive more humane treatment from white Americans than they do their own people, and the same applies when American companies do business overseas; they treat the workers better than their own country treats them.

Ramos brings up "60 million Latinos" as if they all side with him. Very wrong...a large number of Latinos are revolted by his effeminate, revolutionary jargon.

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Hmm, well, what about classifying "La Raza" as a criminal organization since they participated in voter intimidation during Trump's rallies?
Then nab Georgy under the RICO act.

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(03-02-2017 10:09 AM)frenchcorporation Wrote:  
(02-28-2017 11:15 PM)Bluto Wrote:  As the Mexican cartels are an insurgent rouge foreign organization bent on destroying the US, I would contend that they are terrorists, and anyone who supports them can be charged with the statutes attributable for conspiracy to commit terrorism.

If the mexican cartels are terrorists, that would make mexicans fleeing into the U.S, refugees. Which would probably give them some kind of protected status, making deporting them a lot harder. Which is probably why the cartels haven't been labelled as terrorists by the current administration

Well, declaring them as refugees is not far off as they are technically economic refugees. We don't have Canadian illegal aliens in the same amount, mainly due to the fact that Canada has a welfare system as good as US. No matter, as Trump is trying to kick out of refugees and illegal aliens alike, they can call themselves whatever they want.

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(03-02-2017 11:44 PM)MajorStyles Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 01:55 PM)rpg Wrote:  Ramos is trying to spool up a revolt. It wont happen. There is no unity among Latino groups.

This is pretty spot on. The far left was momentarily shocked to learn this reality in the previous election, via the polling results in Florida. They honestly believed that all "Latinos" culturally identified with day-laboring Mexicans: as if they all read the same Gary Soto novels in their Multi-Cultural Literature course at San Francisco Community College. The exclusivity of the liberal clique, exemplified.

They underestimated (or perhaps they never really knew) that there are Argentinians that consider themselves European, Cubans that vote Republican, or Dominicans that send their children to expensive private schools. Not only do these wealthy Latinos NOT identify with illegal Mexicans, they feel culturally superior to them.

It's also worth mentioning that many "Latinos" (whatever that word means) prey on one another in the United States: they pay illegals shitty wages, scam each other with false immigration promises, etc. The list goes on and on. Illegal Mexicans receive more humane treatment from white Americans than they do their own people, and the same applies when American companies do business overseas; they treat the workers better than their own country treats them.

Ramos brings up "60 million Latinos" as if they all side with him. Very wrong...a large number of Latinos are revolted by his effeminate, revolutionary jargon.

To add to that, I know of landlords that especially deny renting to illegals Mexicans, you see the talk about how Trump and his father did not rent to some people back in the 80s? that is still the norm today and anybody in the real state industry know it, want to know the best about the supposed "unity" among latinos the fart left talk so much? legal Mexicans immigrants try to avoid living around illegals Mexicans, they want nothing to do with them.

Legals latinos immigrants are more likely to have a middle class status, more likely to dominate English, more likely to integrate in the USA,least likely to be on government assistance, and least likely to watch Univision.

If you go to Univision channel on YT, they have a video after video of how to avoid ICE, and their TV programing is 90% dedicated to illegal immigration.
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(03-02-2017 11:44 PM)MajorStyles Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 01:55 PM)rpg Wrote:  Ramos is trying to spool up a revolt. It wont happen. There is no unity among Latino groups.

This is pretty spot on. The far left was momentarily shocked to learn this reality in the previous election, via the polling results in Florida. They honestly believed that all "Latinos" culturally identified with day-laboring Mexicans: as if they all read the same Gary Soto novels in their Multi-Cultural Literature course at San Francisco Community College. The exclusivity of the liberal clique, exemplified.

They underestimated (or perhaps they never really knew) that there are Argentinians that consider themselves European, Cubans that vote Republican, or Dominicans that send their children to expensive private schools. Not only do these wealthy Latinos NOT identify with illegal Mexicans, they feel culturally superior to them.

It's also worth mentioning that many "Latinos" (whatever that word means) prey on one another in the United States: they pay illegals shitty wages, scam each other with false immigration promises, etc. The list goes on and on. Illegal Mexicans receive more humane treatment from white Americans than they do their own people, and the same applies when American companies do business overseas; they treat the workers better than their own country treats them.

Ramos brings up "60 million Latinos" as if they all side with him. Very wrong...a large number of Latinos are revolted by his effeminate, revolutionary jargon.

To add to that, I know of landlords that especially deny renting to illegals Mexicans, you see the talk about how Trump and his father did not rent to some people back in the 80s? that is still the norm today and anybody in the real state industry know it, want to know the best about the supposed "unity" among latinos the fart left talk so much? legal Mexicans immigrants try to avoid living around illegals Mexicans, they want nothing to do with them.

Legals latinos immigrants are more likely to have a middle class status, more likely to dominate English, more likely to integrate in the USA,least likely to be on government assistance, and least likely to watch Univision.

If you go to Univision channel on YT, they have a video after video of how to avoid ICE, and their TV programing is 90% dedicated to illegal immigration.

So are you suggesting Jorge makes his lucrative living off of illegals watching Univision and all this will collapse when they get deported? Interesting.

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I actually like that he just comes out and says that Latinos are taking over as a percentage of the US population. People should be aware of what is coming and prepare accordingly.
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(02-27-2017 01:55 PM)rpg Wrote:  Ramos is trying to spool up a revolt. It wont happen. There is no unity among Latino groups.

This is pretty spot on. The far left was momentarily shocked to learn this reality in the previous election, via the polling results in Florida. They honestly believed that all "Latinos" culturally identified with day-laboring Mexicans: as if they all read the same Gary Soto novels in their Multi-Cultural Literature course at San Francisco Community College. The exclusivity of the liberal clique, exemplified.

They underestimated (or perhaps they never really knew) that there are Argentinians that consider themselves European, Cubans that vote Republican, or Dominicans that send their children to expensive private schools. Not only do these wealthy Latinos NOT identify with illegal Mexicans, they feel culturally superior to them.

It's also worth mentioning that many "Latinos" (whatever that word means) prey on one another in the United States: they pay illegals shitty wages, scam each other with false immigration promises, etc. The list goes on and on. Illegal Mexicans receive more humane treatment from white Americans than they do their own people, and the same applies when American companies do business overseas; they treat the workers better than their own country treats them.

Ramos brings up "60 million Latinos" as if they all side with him. Very wrong...a large number of Latinos are revolted by his effeminate, revolutionary jargon.

Precisely.

"Hispanic" or "Latino" are made-up terms that only started being used around the late 1970s and early 80s when it was decided by the US govt to lump all the Spanish speaking minorities into one group to gain benefits. Previously they were mostly considered white.

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Calling people "hispanic" is a divide and conquer race politik strategy.

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(03-09-2017 02:03 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Calling people "hispanic" is a divide and conquer race politik strategy.

Spot on. Perhaps if Hispaniola had developed a singular identity—instead of morphing into the Dominican Republic and Haiti—then we might have “Hispanics” in the truest sense of the word.

Instead, we have people who first identify via their nation (Colombian, Mexican, etc.) and then by their city of origin (Paisanos in Medellin, Pueblanos from Puebla, etc). Hispanic is merely a term that’s used—as you astutely point out—to unite a disparate immigrant population; these immigrants can then be used to subterfuge the cultural base of Anglo-America.

We should never underestimate the importance of language in the far-left’s assault on the edifice of America. It might be their greatest weapon.

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(03-09-2017 02:03 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Calling people "hispanic" is a divide and conquer race politik strategy.

Here in Mexico there's a saying: the worst enemy of a Mexican is another Mexican. The divisions (economic exploitation, lack of trust, racism) among Mexican society are greater than in American society.

Trump's rise to power is the asteroid hurtling towards Earth that has united Mexicans against a common enemy. It's amusing to see the Mexican middle and upper classes defending their poor countryman who is in the US illegally. If he were back on Mexican soil, they'd be calling him a 'pinche indio', comparing him to a monkey and trying to figure out how to get him to work for the equivalent of four US dollars a day.
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(03-09-2017 06:08 PM)MajorStyles Wrote:  
(03-09-2017 02:03 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Calling people "hispanic" is a divide and conquer race politik strategy.

Spot on. Perhaps if Hispaniola had developed a singular identity—instead of morphing into the Dominican Republic and Haiti—then we might have “Hispanics” in the truest sense of the word.

Instead, we have people who first identify via their nation (Colombian, Mexican, etc.) and then by their city of origin (Paisanos in Medellin, Pueblanos from Puebla, etc). Hispanic is merely a term that’s used—as you astutely point out—to unite a disparate immigrant population; these immigrants can then be used to subterfuge the cultural base of Anglo-America.

We should never underestimate the importance of language in the far-left’s assault on the edifice of America. It might be their greatest weapon.

I think you're talking about poblanos from Puebla and paisas from Medellin.
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(03-02-2017 11:44 PM)MajorStyles Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 01:55 PM)rpg Wrote:  Ramos is trying to spool up a revolt. It wont happen. There is no unity among Latino groups.

This is pretty spot on. The far left was momentarily shocked to learn this reality in the previous election, via the polling results in Florida. They honestly believed that all "Latinos" culturally identified with day-laboring Mexicans: as if they all read the same Gary Soto novels in their Multi-Cultural Literature course at San Francisco Community College. The exclusivity of the liberal clique, exemplified.

They underestimated (or perhaps they never really knew) that there are Argentinians that consider themselves European, Cubans that vote Republican, or Dominicans that send their children to expensive private schools. Not only do these wealthy Latinos NOT identify with illegal Mexicans, they feel culturally superior to them.

It's also worth mentioning that many "Latinos" (whatever that word means) prey on one another in the United States: they pay illegals shitty wages, scam each other with false immigration promises, etc. The list goes on and on. Illegal Mexicans receive more humane treatment from white Americans than they do their own people, and the same applies when American companies do business overseas; they treat the workers better than their own country treats them.

Ramos brings up "60 million Latinos" as if they all side with him. Very wrong...a large number of Latinos are revolted by his effeminate, revolutionary jargon.

To add to that, I know of landlords that especially deny renting to illegals Mexicans, you see the talk about how Trump and his father did not rent to some people back in the 80s? that is still the norm today and anybody in the real state industry know it, want to know the best about the supposed "unity" among latinos the fart left talk so much? legal Mexicans immigrants try to avoid living around illegals Mexicans, they want nothing to do with them.

Legals latinos immigrants are more likely to have a middle class status, more likely to dominate English, more likely to integrate in the USA,least likely to be on government assistance, and least likely to watch Univision.

If you go to Univision channel on YT, they have a video after video of how to avoid ICE, and their TV programing is 90% dedicated to illegal immigration.

So are you suggesting Jorge makes his lucrative living off of illegals watching Univision and all this will collapse when they get deported? Interesting.


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Ramos is the latino/hispanic equivalent of the race hucksters (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton) and feminists (Gloria Allred).

(03-02-2017 11:44 PM)MajorStyles Wrote:  the same applies when American companies do business overseas; they treat the workers better than their own country treats them.

100% true. Starbucks in Mexico often wins awards in for Best Place to Work. Why? They don't engage in the usual shitty local business practices, like hiring everyone as contractors and firing/rehiring them every few months to avoid paying required benefits; or having to bribe your manager to get a promotion.
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All the companies and jobs that have moved to Mexico I'm surprised it's not in better shape. Speaks to their dysfunction.

When China took in tons of foreign manufacturers. they built the biggest middle class in the world.
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(03-10-2017 01:23 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  All the companies and jobs that have moved to Mexico I'm surprised it's not in better shape. Speaks to their dysfunction.

When China took in tons of foreign manufacturers. they built the biggest middle class in the world.

I used to have an employer that had a Mexico office. The Mexicans are utterly incapable of being honest and being straight with you. Even when the truth would benefit them, they'll make up a lie instead. The dishonesty and corruption is deeply embedded in their DNA. No one can trust anyone.

Still I liked the people. The broads were total flirts and would eye fuck you during a meeting. Then they'd drop non PC stuff like "our Jewish customers in Mexico City are too cheap, we can't charge them more."

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(03-10-2017 01:23 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  All the companies and jobs that have moved to Mexico I'm surprised it's not in better shape. Speaks to their dysfunction.

When China took in tons of foreign manufacturers. they built the biggest middle class in the world.

I used to have an employer that had a Mexico office. The Mexicans are utterly incapable of being honest and being straight with you. Even when the truth would benefit them, they'll make up a lie instead. The dishonesty and corruption is deeply embedded in their DNA. No one can trust anyone.

Still I liked the people. The broads were total flirts and would eye fuck you during a meeting. Then they'd drop non PC stuff like "our Jewish customers in Mexico City are too cheap, we can't charge them more."

Speaking of Latino non political correctness, I was in the DR last week on an organized excursion with a bunch of Gringos at a horse stable and a cat came up to our tour guide and he said "I hate cats, men should have a dog, a cat is for a faggot" I almost died laughing, the others weren't so amused.

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I'm curious--does Jorge Ramos hold U.S. citizenship?

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(03-10-2017 08:38 PM)MOVSM Wrote:  I'm curious--does Jorge Ramos hold U.S. citizenship?

His ENGLISH Wikipedia page describes him as a Mexican-born American journalist. (He was born in 1958 and become a US citizen at age 50, nine years ago.) He is listed as having only American citizenship.

His SPANISH Wikipedia page says he's a Mexican journalist and writer. It lists him as has having dual citizenship. (His Mexican citizenship is listed first.)

That pretty much sums up this muckraking fraud, doesn't it?
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Mexico does get alot of things right and makes many things more efficient.
We could learn a few things. Banging the strippers in the strip club is the way stripping was meant to be!
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