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(09-30-2019 02:16 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 02:13 PM)Jacob Rast Wrote:  Did this actually happen? Sounds a bit like the "Bowling Green Massacre" to me.

This is the Anitfa shooting I am referencing.

https://www.cleveland.com/crime/2019/08/...hours.html

The guy killed six blacks and three whites.

He wasn't really doing it in the name of any political ideology, he was just a nut job who happened to be a Warren supporter. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced white nationalist talking points when going after the Latinos at Walmart.

I usually like your posts. But the facts your referencing are fake and are yet another example of the right making idiotic strategic moves. The right could have dominated politics for decades if they were smarter. Here are issues that Americans actually give a shit about:

-Crippling student loan debt
-Wages falling while rents increase
-Ridiculous healthcare system
-Complete lack of opportunity in parts of America
-Horrible mental health crises/dissolution of the family
-Terrible infrastructure in some areas

If the Republicans actually addressed any of these things they would have had a very good shot. Trump took the country by storm, plenty of independents and moderate Dems were sick of party corruption and hypocrisy. Diehard lib friends of mine were jumping on the Trump train and seemed much more hopeful than they ever were under Obama. Instead, the GOP focused on the following:

-Fellating Israel and Saudi Arabia
-Bloviating about a wall and getting nothing done
-Continuing bullshit saber rattling with Iran
-Riling up its base via race, religion etc while doing nothing tangible to help them, and in many cases actually hurting them (see the farmers who went bankrupt because of Trump's tariffs).

The fake news bit is part of the last point. Making up shit like Antifa being a serious threat is part of the problem. I don't care about Antifa. I've never met Antifa in my life and probably never will. However the problems I listed above are extremely apparent in my day to day life -- which is ridiculous considering I live in a pretty affluent part of the country. Worrying about stupid bitch fights between antifa and the proud boys is nonsensical when you have people getting buried under thousands of dollars of debt for trying to seek basic healthcare or get an education.

Ask a poor American whether he cares more about being five hundred dollars away from a financial disaster, or whether he cares about "antifa violence". All of this is a distraction from the real problem, which is our current system fucking people over and robbing them blind.

The current GOP strategy is trying to misinform its voters to distract them from their own stupidity, corruption, and predatory nature.
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(09-30-2019 06:03 PM)Jacob Rast Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 02:16 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 02:13 PM)Jacob Rast Wrote:  Did this actually happen? Sounds a bit like the "Bowling Green Massacre" to me.

This is the Anitfa shooting I am referencing.

https://www.cleveland.com/crime/2019/08/...hours.html

The guy killed six blacks and three whites.

He wasn't really doing it in the name of any political ideology, he was just a nut job who happened to be a Warren supporter. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced white nationalist talking points when going after the Latinos at Walmart.

I usually like your posts. But the facts your referencing are fake and are yet another example of the right making idiotic strategic moves. The right could have dominated politics for decades if they were smarter. Here are issues that Americans actually give a shit about:

-Crippling student loan debt
-Wages falling while rents increase
-Ridiculous healthcare system
-Complete lack of opportunity in parts of America
-Horrible mental health crises/dissolution of the family
-Terrible infrastructure in some areas

If the Republicans actually addressed any of these things they would have had a very good shot. Trump took the country by storm, plenty of independents and moderate Dems were sick of party corruption and hypocrisy. Diehard lib friends of mine were jumping on the Trump train and seemed much more hopeful than they ever were under Obama. Instead, the GOP focused on the following:

-Fellating Israel and Saudi Arabia
-Bloviating about a wall and getting nothing done
-Continuing bullshit saber rattling with Iran
-Riling up its base via race, religion etc while doing nothing tangible to help them, and in many cases actually hurting them (see the farmers who went bankrupt because of Trump's tariffs).

The fake news bit is part of the last point. Making up shit like Antifa being a serious threat is part of the problem. I don't care about Antifa. I've never met Antifa in my life and probably never will. However the problems I listed above are extremely apparent in my day to day life -- which is ridiculous considering I live in a pretty affluent part of the country. Worrying about stupid bitch fights between antifa and the proud boys is nonsensical when you have people getting buried under thousands of dollars of debt for trying to seek basic healthcare or get an education.

Ask a poor American whether he cares more about being five hundred dollars away from a financial disaster, or whether he cares about "antifa violence". All of this is a distraction from the real problem, which is our current system fucking people over and robbing them blind.

The current GOP strategy is trying to misinform its voters to distract them from their own stupidity, corruption, and predatory nature.

He was associated with Antifa, he had social media posts to prove it and he was in contact with the NY Times "journalists" that follow the alt-right. He targeted a country western bar, not exactly a place where many leftists would hang out. Trump still has done nothing about Antifa, even with the overwhelming evidence of their violence and terrorism against his supporters.

The right isn't "stupid" they are owned by the very same people who own the left. The right are just paid fake opposition to keep the American public sedated while their country and their kid's futures are stolen from them. And if the American people notice it and speak out, Antifa is there as the political violent force of the elites to shut them down.

IMO, Antifa is the canary in the coal mine. They are low hanging fruit that a majority of the country dislikes. But they are funded by the elites to keep the American people intimidated from organizing and speaking out. If they cannot be shut down, despite breaking several federal laws, then we know the Republicans are not legit.

As far as the big issues you mentioned, and those are major issues, none of those can be resolved when we are vastly overpopulated and have to borrow a trillion dollars a year to keep our heads above water. There is no logical reason to import people and put them on welfare at a 70% clip (70% of legal immigrants are on welfare), when nearly 35% of our own people are out of the work force and nearly 50% of our people are already on welfare. And both parties are paid off to keep the flood gates open and keep the rich even richer by suppressing wages and driving up the COL.
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(09-30-2019 06:18 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 06:03 PM)Jacob Rast Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 02:16 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 02:13 PM)Jacob Rast Wrote:  Did this actually happen? Sounds a bit like the "Bowling Green Massacre" to me.

This is the Anitfa shooting I am referencing.

https://www.cleveland.com/crime/2019/08/...hours.html

The guy killed six blacks and three whites.

He wasn't really doing it in the name of any political ideology, he was just a nut job who happened to be a Warren supporter. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced white nationalist talking points when going after the Latinos at Walmart.

I usually like your posts. But the facts your referencing are fake and are yet another example of the right making idiotic strategic moves. The right could have dominated politics for decades if they were smarter. Here are issues that Americans actually give a shit about:

-Crippling student loan debt
-Wages falling while rents increase
-Ridiculous healthcare system
-Complete lack of opportunity in parts of America
-Horrible mental health crises/dissolution of the family
-Terrible infrastructure in some areas

If the Republicans actually addressed any of these things they would have had a very good shot. Trump took the country by storm, plenty of independents and moderate Dems were sick of party corruption and hypocrisy. Diehard lib friends of mine were jumping on the Trump train and seemed much more hopeful than they ever were under Obama. Instead, the GOP focused on the following:

-Fellating Israel and Saudi Arabia
-Bloviating about a wall and getting nothing done
-Continuing bullshit saber rattling with Iran
-Riling up its base via race, religion etc while doing nothing tangible to help them, and in many cases actually hurting them (see the farmers who went bankrupt because of Trump's tariffs).

The fake news bit is part of the last point. Making up shit like Antifa being a serious threat is part of the problem. I don't care about Antifa. I've never met Antifa in my life and probably never will. However the problems I listed above are extremely apparent in my day to day life -- which is ridiculous considering I live in a pretty affluent part of the country. Worrying about stupid bitch fights between antifa and the proud boys is nonsensical when you have people getting buried under thousands of dollars of debt for trying to seek basic healthcare or get an education.

Ask a poor American whether he cares more about being five hundred dollars away from a financial disaster, or whether he cares about "antifa violence". All of this is a distraction from the real problem, which is our current system fucking people over and robbing them blind.

The current GOP strategy is trying to misinform its voters to distract them from their own stupidity, corruption, and predatory nature.

He was associated with Antifa, he had social media posts to prove it and he was in contact with the NY Times "journalists" that follow the alt-right. He targeted a country western bar, not exactly a place where many leftists would hang out. Trump still has done nothing about Antifa, even with the overwhelming evidence of their violence and terrorism against his supporters.

The right isn't "stupid" they are owned by the very same people who own the left. The right are just paid fake opposition to keep the American public sedated while their country and their kid's futures are stolen from them. And if the American people notice it and speak out, Antifa is there as the political violent force of the elites to shut them down.

IMO, Antifa is the canary in the coal mine. They are low hanging fruit that a majority of the country dislikes. But they are funded by the elites to keep the American people intimidated from organizing and speaking out. If they cannot be shut down, despite breaking several federal laws, then we know the Republicans are not legit.

As far as the big issues you mentioned, and those are major issues, none of those can be resolved when we are vastly overpopulated and have to borrow a trillion dollars a year to keep our heads above water. There is no logical reason to import people and put them on welfare at a 70% clip (70% of legal immigrants are on welfare), when nearly 35% of our own people are out of the work force and nearly 50% of our people are already on welfare. And both parties are paid off to keep the flood gates open and keep the rich even richer by suppressing wages and driving up the COL.

Never forget that ol' Ronnie was the one that granted millions of illegals amnesty and permanently lost California to the Dems. The mainstream American "right" is worse than worthless.
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The economy is a mess. The boomers are gaslight by 24 hour news channels pushing anti-Trump narratives, and Trump has done nothing for his base. I don't see how he wins in 2020. Now this...

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(09-30-2019 09:51 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Can someone make a meme of Trump in a straitjacket screaming "Presidential harrassment!"?

Someone on Twitter compiled a list of him repeating that phrase like 100 times...dude is losing it.

There are some pretty funny one's out there.

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(10-01-2019 04:03 AM)Yatagan Wrote:  Never forget that ol' Ronnie was the one that granted millions of illegals amnesty and permanently lost California to the Dems. The mainstream American "right" is worse than worthless.

Don't forget no-fault divorce and the ban on carrying loaded firearms.

If Reagan was the best that the conservative movement could do before 2016, then it's no surprise that Trump has been such a paper tiger.

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Manufacturing numbers just came out and they missed BIGLY. The economy is contracting. Anyone who says the economy is doing great is misinformed at best.
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Trump knows the economy is tanking and is going to try to pass the blame off on to the Fed. Will not matter come election time.

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(10-01-2019 08:56 AM)BlueMark Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 04:03 AM)Yatagan Wrote:  Never forget that ol' Ronnie was the one that granted millions of illegals amnesty and permanently lost California to the Dems. The mainstream American "right" is worse than worthless.

Don't forget no-fault divorce and the ban on carrying loaded firearms.

If Reagan was the best that the conservative movement could do before 2016, then it's no surprise that Trump has been such a paper tiger.
Ronnie signed off on the Hughes amendment as well. One might as well vote Democrat, if the Repubs just amount to some bootleg version of them.
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(09-30-2019 06:18 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 06:03 PM)Jacob Rast Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 02:16 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 02:13 PM)Jacob Rast Wrote:  Did this actually happen? Sounds a bit like the "Bowling Green Massacre" to me.

This is the Anitfa shooting I am referencing.

https://www.cleveland.com/crime/2019/08/...hours.html

The guy killed six blacks and three whites.

He wasn't really doing it in the name of any political ideology, he was just a nut job who happened to be a Warren supporter. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced white nationalist talking points when going after the Latinos at Walmart.

I usually like your posts. But the facts your referencing are fake and are yet another example of the right making idiotic strategic moves. The right could have dominated politics for decades if they were smarter. Here are issues that Americans actually give a shit about:

-Crippling student loan debt
-Wages falling while rents increase
-Ridiculous healthcare system
-Complete lack of opportunity in parts of America
-Horrible mental health crises/dissolution of the family
-Terrible infrastructure in some areas

If the Republicans actually addressed any of these things they would have had a very good shot. Trump took the country by storm, plenty of independents and moderate Dems were sick of party corruption and hypocrisy. Diehard lib friends of mine were jumping on the Trump train and seemed much more hopeful than they ever were under Obama. Instead, the GOP focused on the following:

-Fellating Israel and Saudi Arabia
-Bloviating about a wall and getting nothing done
-Continuing bullshit saber rattling with Iran
-Riling up its base via race, religion etc while doing nothing tangible to help them, and in many cases actually hurting them (see the farmers who went bankrupt because of Trump's tariffs).

The fake news bit is part of the last point. Making up shit like Antifa being a serious threat is part of the problem. I don't care about Antifa. I've never met Antifa in my life and probably never will. However the problems I listed above are extremely apparent in my day to day life -- which is ridiculous considering I live in a pretty affluent part of the country. Worrying about stupid bitch fights between antifa and the proud boys is nonsensical when you have people getting buried under thousands of dollars of debt for trying to seek basic healthcare or get an education.

Ask a poor American whether he cares more about being five hundred dollars away from a financial disaster, or whether he cares about "antifa violence". All of this is a distraction from the real problem, which is our current system fucking people over and robbing them blind.

The current GOP strategy is trying to misinform its voters to distract them from their own stupidity, corruption, and predatory nature.

He was associated with Antifa, he had social media posts to prove it and he was in contact with the NY Times "journalists" that follow the alt-right. He targeted a country western bar, not exactly a place where many leftists would hang out. Trump still has done nothing about Antifa, even with the overwhelming evidence of their violence and terrorism against his supporters.

The right isn't "stupid" they are owned by the very same people who own the left. The right are just paid fake opposition to keep the American public sedated while their country and their kid's futures are stolen from them. And if the American people notice it and speak out, Antifa is there as the political violent force of the elites to shut them down.

IMO, Antifa is the canary in the coal mine. They are low hanging fruit that a majority of the country dislikes. But they are funded by the elites to keep the American people intimidated from organizing and speaking out. If they cannot be shut down, despite breaking several federal laws, then we know the Republicans are not legit.

As far as the big issues you mentioned, and those are major issues, none of those can be resolved when we are vastly overpopulated and have to borrow a trillion dollars a year to keep our heads above water. There is no logical reason to import people and put them on welfare at a 70% clip (70% of legal immigrants are on welfare), when nearly 35% of our own people are out of the work force and nearly 50% of our people are already on welfare. And both parties are paid off to keep the flood gates open and keep the rich even richer by suppressing wages and driving up the COL.

I don't agree that these issues are as impossible to solve as you think. A CEO recently cut his salary by ~900k and gave everyone in his company a 10-20k bonus. More CEOs doing things like this wouldn't tank the economy. Same goes for reduced healthcare and educational costs. Workarounds and fixes can happen. The government can subsidize low cost vocational training (coding, blue collar stuff) and encourage it more. They can start moving our healthcare in a more affordable direction. It's not a black and white situation where immigration makes fixing the system completely impossible. The right doesn't even try nor does it seem to want to. Which is why they'll have a tough time going forward.
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Immigration is the acid test, though. It's a no-brainer. The vast majority of almost every Western nation is either against immigration completely or ambivalent about it, and it presents absolutely no benefit for the current inhabitants at all. Even the immigrants themselves would vote rabidly to end it entirely if you told them "the rest that come in are not going to be your race/religion".

If your government isn't shutting off the valve completely then they are traitors and it's only a question of to what extent they let the mask slip. Trump fucked up when he thought he could shift the narrative to "legal immigrants are great, let's double them". His supporters made it clear what they thought of that.

No mas. Comprende?

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(10-01-2019 11:18 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Immigration is the acid test, though. It's a no-brainer. The vast majority of almost every Western nation is either against immigration completely or ambivalent about it, and it presents absolutely no benefit for the current inhabitants at all. Even the immigrants themselves would vote rabidly to end it entirely if you told them "the rest that come in are not going to be your race/religion".

If your government isn't shutting off the valve completely then they are traitors and it's only a question of to what extent they let the mask slip. Trump fucked up when he thought he could shift the narrative to "legal immigrants are great, let's double them". His supporters made it clear what they thought of that.

No mas. Comprende?

Immigration isn't going to win a US election in 2020. We've had four years of GOP governance. The average liberal utterly despises them. The average moderate despises them less, but still associates them with school shootings, racism, so on and so forth. Public rage has been redirected. Before 2016 society was less polarized -- you had a mass of generally disaffected voters (mostly white) who wanted to a change to the status quo. After 2020 society became extremely polarized, but it blew up in Trump's face. What you now have is a good 60% of the population firmly against him, 35% of the population firmly for him, and a much smaller undecided contingent who could go either way.

The issues of the day now are automation, inequality, student debt, and medical costs. These are issues that have a visceral impact on people's livelihoods. Say what you will about immigration, but the average white American would rather take another hundred Mexicans than go ~100k into student loan debt. Even the most racist white guy can avoid immigrants if he really has to. He can't avoid a crushing federal debt that will take his entire life to pay off.

You're Australian, I'm not sure how much time you've spent in the states lately. The 2008 recession was the start of our economic issues getting to an unbearable level. Thankfully I live in an affluent area with a good job market. But I don't think you fully understand how badly Americans are getting squeezed.

Trump's stance on immigration alienated everyone. It's pissed off alt righters for not being extreme enough. But liberals and moderates still see him as a Nazi in disguise. It played a role in cementing the left's hatred for him. But hardcore libs matter way less than undecided moderates. Where Trump really screwed the pooch was in not even trying to help the people who the modern economy left behind.

I'd honestly be surprised if he wins in 2020. The Dems are surprising me. Warren and Bernie are a lot more dangerous to the GOP than Biden is. If they can skip the identity politics and tap into issues that the average American actually cares about, Trump is completely fucked.
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(10-01-2019 11:04 PM)Jacob Rast Wrote:  I don't agree that these issues are as impossible to solve as you think. A CEO recently cut his salary by ~900k and gave everyone in his company a 10-20k bonus. More CEOs doing things like this wouldn't tank the economy. Same goes for reduced healthcare and educational costs. Workarounds and fixes can happen. The government can subsidize low cost vocational training (coding, blue collar stuff) and encourage it more. They can start moving our healthcare in a more affordable direction. It's not a black and white situation where immigration makes fixing the system completely impossible. The right doesn't even try nor does it seem to want to. Which is why they'll have a tough time going forward.

The only real problem facing the west is immigration. Unless all immigration is halted, illegal aliens in all western countries are removed, and refugees are sent back as their areas become safe again, then there is no fix. Immigration has destroyed the west and the only fix is to reverse it. Neither party will do this in any western country, so there will be no fix for all the issues you have listed.
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Hey, man. Sorry I got your thread's name changed. You were gone for a fair while and I didn't think you'd be back again.

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(10-01-2019 10:45 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  Trump knows the economy is tanking and is going to try to pass the blame off on to the Fed. Will not matter come election time.


Not the fed. The rollback is perfectly timed to coincide with impeachment. He can now blame the dems for "introducing uncertainty"

Keep in mind that despite all these problems it's what comes after we need to worry about. We've dramatically upped the tension and the left is going to go nuts trying to punish the right for Trump.
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(10-01-2019 10:45 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  Trump knows the economy is tanking and is going to try to pass the blame off on to the Fed. Will not matter come election time.


Not the fed. The rollback is perfectly timed to coincide with impeachment. He can now blame the dems for "introducing uncertainty"

Keep in mind that despite all these problems it's what comes after we need to worry about. We've dramatically upped the tension and the left is going to go nuts trying to punish the right for Trump.

Trump will blame the Fed and the Democrats. The Democrats will blame Trump.

Trump fans will not budge and the Democrat voters will likely not budge. It comes down to a bunch of in the middle voters, who probably have no clue what is going on in the world and who they blame. My guess is they take the simplistic approach and blame Trump because in their uninformed minds the economy is controlled by the President alone.
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Yes, because the "voters" have so much power. lol. Tavistock programming is impressive. Your local elections usually matter, if that matters. Possibly some small time corruption at the ballot box, nothing major though.

Electoral college/popular vote is controlled. Intentionally split in 2016. Tavistock is well aware most Americans will NEVER question the sanctity of voting (left/right/in between...5G plays a role here). And will be even be further split in favor of Drumpf as he's the chosen one (said it himself) to another electoral college touchdown with no defense since they are on the SAME TEAM. Its a joke.

TRUMP WILL GET AN ONSIDE KICK TO HIMSELF

More importantly....

NEUBACHE ARE YOU OK ARE YOU OK NEUBACHE
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I'm soops, brah. How are you?

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RE: Complaints of Donald Trump thread
(10-02-2019 05:01 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 11:04 PM)Jacob Rast Wrote:  I don't agree that these issues are as impossible to solve as you think. A CEO recently cut his salary by ~900k and gave everyone in his company a 10-20k bonus. More CEOs doing things like this wouldn't tank the economy. Same goes for reduced healthcare and educational costs. Workarounds and fixes can happen. The government can subsidize low cost vocational training (coding, blue collar stuff) and encourage it more. They can start moving our healthcare in a more affordable direction. It's not a black and white situation where immigration makes fixing the system completely impossible. The right doesn't even try nor does it seem to want to. Which is why they'll have a tough time going forward.

The only real problem facing the west is immigration. Unless all immigration is halted, illegal aliens in all western countries are removed, and refugees are sent back as their areas become safe again, then there is no fix. Immigration has destroyed the west and the only fix is to reverse it. Neither party will do this in any western country, so there will be no fix for all the issues you have listed.

There's some correlation with immigration driving up rents in affluent areas. And reliance on immigrant labor in some industries means that companies have no need to invest in homegrown labor to meet their needs. I wonder what blue collar work or IT would look like with zero illegal or legal immigration, it would be interesting to see whether or not Americans would be able to meet demand.

But that's not the entirety of the problem. There's no correlation between immigration and the student debt crisis. Just like there's no correlation between immigration and the healthcare or mental health crises. The 70% figure you mentioned is fake news, it appeared on a ton of right wing sites all on the same day coincidentally. In reality immigrants consume about 27% less benefits than native citizens do. At the end of the day, though, it's a moot discussion. Second generation immigrants are absolutely not going anywhere and are legally American citizens. Taking action against them would set off a shit storm of epic proportions. It's possible to tamp down new immigration, but even that would basically get smothered by both the left and the right.

Some guys talk about how a civil war would set things right. Those guys are delusional. A civil war would create a global collapse. The immigrant heavy 2010's would be seen as a golden age of peace and prosperity in comparison. They also don't account for the very real possibility of them trying to start a civil war, failing, then get curb stomped by the feds. You think getting deplatformed is bad? If the hardline rightwingers start acting up for real, and fail to make any headway, the feds will kick their teeth in. As in getting your door battered down and FBI questioning for even posting on this site. Guys like Roosh or Andrew Anglin would get sent to Guantanamo in a situation like that.
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(10-02-2019 10:13 PM)Jacob Rast Wrote:  There's some correlation with immigration driving up rents in affluent areas. And reliance on immigrant labor in some industries means that companies have no need to invest in homegrown labor to meet their needs. I wonder what blue collar work or IT would look like with zero illegal or legal immigration, it would be interesting to see whether or not Americans would be able to meet demand.

But that's not the entirety of the problem. There's no correlation between immigration and the student debt crisis. Just like there's no correlation between immigration and the healthcare or mental health crises. The 70% figure you mentioned is fake news, it appeared on a ton of right wing sites all on the same day coincidentally. In reality immigrants consume about 27% less benefits than native citizens do. At the end of the day, though, it's a moot discussion. Second generation immigrants are absolutely not going anywhere and are legally American citizens. Taking action against them would set off a shit storm of epic proportions. It's possible to tamp down new immigration, but even that would basically get smothered by both the left and the right.

Some guys talk about how a civil war would set things right. Those guys are delusional. A civil war would create a global collapse. The immigrant heavy 2010's would be seen as a golden age of peace and prosperity in comparison. They also don't account for the very real possibility of them trying to start a civil war, failing, then get curb stomped by the feds. You think getting deplatformed is bad? If the hardline rightwingers start acting up for real, and fail to make any headway, the feds will kick their teeth in. As in getting your door battered down and FBI questioning for even posting on this site. Guys like Roosh or Andrew Anglin would get sent to Guantanamo in a situation like that.

Immigration, legal and illegal, are driving up COL in every single facet. Being that 70% of LEGAL immigrants are on welfare and 100% of illegal immigrants are on welfare, they are skyrocketing the COL. Not just rent, yes rent has exploded beyond any rational means, but also all other commodities have gone up on price along with it.

Add to it, wages have stagnated over the last 4 decades due to immigration. Now mom and dad both with college degrees have to work like slaves to keep a roof over their head and their kids fed. It is beyond a disaster.

The cause of healthcare cost explosion is largely due to illegal immigrants using services and never paying for them, so they have to ratchet up the costs on the rest of us. Add in the LEGAL immigrants flooding the system causing more demand for the same supply and many of the LEGAL immigrants are on some form of "free" healthcare. The #1 cause of healthcare cost explosion by a long shot is immigration.

I'm not talking about kicking out legal citizens. The first step is to cut off all immigration and kick out illegal immigrants. After that we can probably stay with 0 immigration and pass laws to encourage only tax paying citizens to have children and try to stop welfare citizens from having children. If we don't, then a shitstorm will happen that will make anything you mentioned look like a cake walk. Something has to be done because we can't continue to borrow $1,000,000,000,000 a year while working our people like slaves and throwing away our kid's futures.
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(10-02-2019 10:13 PM)Jacob Rast Wrote:  ...
Some guys talk about how a civil war would set things right. Those guys are delusional. A civil war would create a global collapse. The immigrant heavy 2010's would be seen as a golden age of peace and prosperity in comparison.
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Civil wars are generally not fought to set things right. They are fought because either the status quo has become intolerable or people see that it will soon become so and want to act before things get truly bad. Nobody in former Yugoslavia just decided one day "that's it, my car is too old, my TV is too small and basically I'm calling it, time to kick off a civil war to improve my quality of life!"

But if you're some sort of combination of rootless, irreligious, cosmopolitan, materialistic, hedonistic, single and childless then I completely understand why you'd turn a phrase like "the immigrant heavy 2010's would be seen as a golden age of peace and prosperity in comparison". Wake up. Nobody in the history of mankind turned up for a civil war upon the balance of the gamble that their quality of life would be improved IF they managed to win and IF they weren't killed or crippled or mentally scarred for life. The only exception might be literal slaves.

These things begin because people seek to protect their culture or race or religion or family from what they perceive to be a current or future threat. So if you understand this then you'll understand why a Christian might prefer a civil war and a collapse over being genocided while everyone else gets to enjoy a no-war/collapse quality of life, or why a traditionalist libertarian might prefer civil war and a collapse over being imprisoned for life while everyone else gets to enjoy a no-war/collapse quality of life, or why a white rust-belter might prefer a civil war and a collapse over being invaded softly by Mexicans and Africans while everyone else gets to enjoy a no-war/collapse quality of life.

If you stand for nothing then of course civil war makes no sense.

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Another big economic miss this morning. This time non-manufacturing PMI. I wish Trump fought 1/10th as hard against Antifa and H-1B visa slave labor as he did against China. He is going to get no where, the wealthy elites will just move their plants to another 3rd world country and free trade will continue to make the billionaires richer and destroy our communities and our kid's futures.
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