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RE: The Democratic Party is Imploding
Correction--it's twelve now.

Dozen Democrats call for Al Franken's resignation; senator plans announcement Thursday

Quote: Kirsten Gillibrand of New York
Mazie Hirono of Hawaii
Claire McCaskill of Missouri
Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire
Patty Murray of Washington
Kamala Harris of California
Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin
Debbie Stabenow of Michigan
Bob Casey of Pennsylvania
Joe Donnelly of Indiana
Sherrod Brown of Ohio

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RE: The Democratic Party is Imploding
Apparently, a longtime Democratic staffer said he tried to assault her in 2006:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/0...006-281049

Quote:A former Democratic congressional aide said Al Franken tried to forcibly kiss her after a taping of his radio show in 2006, three years before he became a U.S. senator.

The aide, whose name POLITICO is withholding to protect her identity, said Franken (D-Minn.) pursued her after her boss had left the studio. She said she was gathering her belongings to follow her boss out of the room. When she turned around, Franken was in her face.

The former staffer ducked to avoid Franken’s lips. As she hastily left the room, she said, Franken told her: “It’s my right as an entertainer.”

“He was between me and the door and he was coming at me to kiss me. It was very quick and I think my brain had to work really hard to be like ‘Wait, what is happening?’ But I knew whatever was happening was not right and I ducked,” the aide said in an interview. “I was really startled by it and I just sort of booked it towards the door and he said, ‘It’s my right as an entertainer.’”

The former staffer, who was in her mid-20s at the time of the incident, said she did not respond to Franken.

The woman said she had never met Franken prior to the incident. Franken was elected to the Senate in 2008 but began ramping up his political activity in 2006.

Franken, who has been accused by six other women of groping or trying to forcibly kiss them, denied the accusation.

“This allegation is categorically not true and the idea that I would claim this as my right as an entertainer is preposterous. I look forward to fully cooperating with the ongoing ethics committee investigation,” Franken said in a statement to POLITICO.

Two former colleagues of the woman independently corroborated her version of events, including Franken telling her he had the right to try to kiss her because he was “an entertainer.” The first former colleague interviewed by POLITICO said she was told of the incident in 2006, shortly after it happened. The second former co-worker said she was made aware of the encounter sometime in 2009 or 2010.

Hours after this story was published, seven female Democratic senators called on Franken to resign: Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Mazie Hirono of Hawaii, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire, Patty Murray of Washington, Kamala Harris of California and Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin. Sen. Bob Casey (D-Pa.) also said Franken should step down.

"While Senator Franken is entitled to have the Ethics Committee conclude its review, I believe it would be better for our country if he sent a clear message that any kind of mistreatment of women in our society isn’t acceptable by stepping aside to let someone else serve," Gillibrand said in a Facebook post. She was referring to a Senate Ethics Committee investigation of the sexual harassment claims against Franken.

Franken is one of several lawmakers and candidates facing sexual harassment allegations, amid a national outcry over misconduct that has roiled Hollywood, media and politics. On Tuesday, Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) resigned after multiple former female aides accused him of harassing them.

Conyers, the longest-serving member of the House, faced a drumbeat of demands from top Democrats to step down. No Senate Democrats have called on Franken to resign, though a smattering of House Democrats have done so.

The former congressional aide, a longtime Democrat, said she is not attempting to force Franken out of office by coming forward now. Her aim is to encourage the former comedian to acknowledge that his behavior towards her and other women was intentional.

“His resignation is not the top of the list there. That’s not my point. It’s not up to me what he does,” the former staffer said.

Franken has said he was “ashamed” about the prior reported incidents but has also said through a spokesperson that he “never intentionally engaged in that kind of conduct.”

The former staffer said a more direct statement of culpability – not just differing recollections of events, as Franken has offered in apologizing to other women – could help shift the national conversation about sexual assault and push harassers to take ownership of their behavior.

“I don’t want to be in the position of deciding whether to tell this story but I’m not the person who put me in that position. He did that,” the woman said. “I think for this moment in time to lead to meaningful change there has to be more than ‘I’m ashamed but I remember things differently’ accounting.”

The former staffer said she mostly kept the encounter to herself, not even telling her boss at the time. But she started to talk more openly about it to close friends after the “Access Hollywood” video was aired in October 2016. In the now infamous tape, Donald Trump is recorded saying his fame gives him carte blanche to grab women’s genitals.

“When it really started impacting me in more of a ‘I’m really angry about about this’ way was last fall when the Trump tape came out,” the former aide said. “Hearing Donald Trump say essentially the same thing that Al Franken said to me, which was ‘It’s my right as an entertainer,’ that was a real trigger,” she continued

The former staffer says she was particularly shaken after seeing Franken on TV responding to the Trump tape last year. Franken dismissed Trump’s excuse that he was just engaging in “locker room talk” and joked that maybe Trump worked out with Roger Ailes, the now deceased Fox News chairman who was forced to resign in 2016 amid allegations he sexually harassed several Fox employees.

“It was a moment in time where I told a number of my friends about my experience with Franken because I saw him on the news being asked about the Trump tape and I felt like it was really hypocritical,” the former staffer said. “It’s a power dynamic and the fact that Donald Trump could say that was not much different from the fact that Al Franken could say it.”

Franken took pains to separate himself from Trump earlier this year before he was accused of sexual harassment, saying just because the two were “both in a branch of show business” is no reason to lump them in the same category politically.

“I consider myself a polar opposite of him, I mean I really do,” Franken said on CNBC of Trump in September, two months before the first sexual harassment allegations against the Minnesota Democrat surfaced.

Franken has agreed to cooperate with a Senate Ethics Committee investigation into his behavior.

“I do feel this very heavy responsibility to speak the truth,” the former staffer said. “I don’t think that there are different versions of truth and that’s what’s bothered me a lot about [his] responses.”

which appears to be the straw that broke the camel's back and now the party is showing him the door. He just said he'll make an announcement tomorrow:

https://twitter.com/AP/status/938460945717907457

I think he's probably done.
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12-06-2017 12:46 PM
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RE: The Democratic Party is Imploding
It looked like it was going away for a while, but there's now a new firestorm surrounding him. He's probably out.

Still, delicious as this all is, you really have to be concerned about this moral panic.

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RE: The Democratic Party is Imploding
“I consider myself a polar opposite of him, I mean I really do,” Franken said on CNBC of Trump in September, two months before the first sexual harassment allegations against the Minnesota Democrat surfaced.


I'd agree with that - like all these Dem's being outed, he seems to be a pervert with zero game...
12-06-2017 01:20 PM
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RE: The Democratic Party is Imploding
(12-06-2017 01:11 PM)Libertas Wrote:  It looked like it was going away for a while, but there's now a new firestorm surrounding him. He's probably out.

Still, delicious as this all is, you really have to be concerned about this moral panic.

Concerned? Why? Only concern I have is Dems cutting off all their cancer and turning the corner.

Politics wise I don't care.

Personally on a culture level, I have not changed my opinions from that celebrity thread. It has to get worse before it gets better. If anyone thought America's feminism and culture war was possible to win without conflict is fooling themselves.

Colleges stop expelling young men without proof of rapes? A new law passing that holds false rape claim women accountable with jail time mandatory if caught filing a false report? Women start losing weight, wearing dresses, and stop getting tattoos? Women exit the workforce to raise children? Americans start going back to church and raising their children in church? American women stop fighting men in public? States change their laws on divorce to hurt men less?

You think any of this stuff had any chance of happening via osmosis?

If God in several places in the Bible tells you that in order to be blessed, one may have to endure a bad season, before things get better.

If this wisdom is in a book you can easily find, how on Earth can one surmise that the potential for a complete reversal of everything bad (listed above), could have happened without any sacrifice or struggle?

I got news for you buddy.

It will not get better. In fact, it's going to get worse. Much worse.

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(12-06-2017 01:20 PM)netguy68 Wrote:  “I consider myself a polar opposite of him, I mean I really do,” Franken said on CNBC of Trump in September, two months before the first sexual harassment allegations against the Minnesota Democrat surfaced.


I'd agree with that - like all these Dem's being outed, he seems to be a pervert with zero game...

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So, the douchenozzle who “won” a Senate seat by overtly and blatantly committing voter fraud turned out to have moral and ethical issues. Color me shocked...

Hey Al, through it all just keep telling yourself: “I’m good enough. I’m smart enough. And doggone it people like me!”.

“….and we will win, and you will win, and we will keep on winning, and eventually you will say… we can’t take all of this winning, …please Mr. Trump …and I will say, NO, we will win, and we will keep on winning”.

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(12-06-2017 01:56 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 01:11 PM)Libertas Wrote:  It looked like it was going away for a while, but there's now a new firestorm surrounding him. He's probably out.

Still, delicious as this all is, you really have to be concerned about this moral panic.

Concerned? Why? Only concern I have is Dems cutting off all their cancer and turning the corner.

Politics wise I don't care.

Personally on a culture level, I have not changed my opinions from that celebrity thread. It has to get worse before it gets better. If anyone thought America's feminism and culture war was possible to win without conflict is fooling themselves.

Colleges stop expelling young men without proof of rapes? A new law passing that holds false rape claim women accountable with jail time mandatory if caught filing a false report? Women start losing weight, wearing dresses, and stop getting tattoos? Women exit the workforce to raise children? Americans start going back to church and raising their children in church? American women stop fighting men in public? States change their laws on divorce to hurt men less?

You think any of this stuff had any chance of happening via osmosis?

If God in several places in the Bible tells you that in order to be blessed, one may have to endure a bad season, before things get better.

If this wisdom is in a book you can easily find, how on Earth can one surmise that the potential for a complete reversal of everything bad (listed above), could have happened without any sacrifice or struggle?

I got news for you buddy.

It will not get better. In fact, it's going to get worse. Much worse.

Quintus mentioned this the other day that the most important thing is what we've been saying for years. Men need to stop kowtowing to this PC panic. Franken isn't in a position to do so because there's visual evidence, but more men need to act like Trump and Moore.

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And now Franken resigns.

Dems are going to ride their “when they go low, we go high” preachy BS all the way into irrelevance.
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RE: The Democratic Party is Imploding
(12-07-2017 08:11 AM)Libertas Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 01:56 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 01:11 PM)Libertas Wrote:  It looked like it was going away for a while, but there's now a new firestorm surrounding him. He's probably out.

Still, delicious as this all is, you really have to be concerned about this moral panic.

Concerned? Why? Only concern I have is Dems cutting off all their cancer and turning the corner.

Politics wise I don't care.

Personally on a culture level, I have not changed my opinions from that celebrity thread. It has to get worse before it gets better. If anyone thought America's feminism and culture war was possible to win without conflict is fooling themselves.

Colleges stop expelling young men without proof of rapes? A new law passing that holds false rape claim women accountable with jail time mandatory if caught filing a false report? Women start losing weight, wearing dresses, and stop getting tattoos? Women exit the workforce to raise children? Americans start going back to church and raising their children in church? American women stop fighting men in public? States change their laws on divorce to hurt men less?

You think any of this stuff had any chance of happening via osmosis?

If God in several places in the Bible tells you that in order to be blessed, one may have to endure a bad season, before things get better.

If this wisdom is in a book you can easily find, how on Earth can one surmise that the potential for a complete reversal of everything bad (listed above), could have happened without any sacrifice or struggle?

I got news for you buddy.

It will not get better. In fact, it's going to get worse. Much worse.

Quintus mentioned this the other day that the most important thing is what we've been saying for years. Men need to stop kowtowing to this PC panic. Franken isn't in a position to do so because there's visual evidence, but more men need to act like Trump and Moore.


There's also a lesson here about the advantages of an anti-fragile personal brand (for those of you guys who work in a field where that matters).

The biggest reason Trump could survive is big-swingin' dick asshole is his public persona. Accusing Trump of groping groupies is roughly as damaging to his reputation as would be someone accusing Tucker Max of being a womanizer....it just helps accentuate the image he's trying to build. Far more dangerous to him would be any revelation that portrays him as a happy go lucky teddy bear.

The Democrats involved in these scandals are at risk for the exact same reason that evangelical southern Republicans got in trouble for sex scandals: the poles have shifted and their public image now rests on this weird worldview that Democrat party leaders and loyalists are the priests of this new gynocentric, feminist morality complex they've built. Now that it comes out that these people are themselves perpetrators of the same crimes they rail about it destroys the pillar their current status is based on: the perception that they're better people than everyone else.

Most important to any branding-focused career like Hollywood, politics, law, or business is congruency. It's completely congruent with the persona of someone like Trump, Roosh, or Marc Cuban to be womanizers. It's completely ingongruent to the persona of any "male feminist" to be outed as a creeper who engages in blatant harassment instead of just hitting on bar sluts like a normal person does.
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RE: The Democratic Party is Imploding
As I said before, even though the Democratic party is going through turmoil, we must still stay vigilant. They (and their cuckservative allies) will pull every single trick to sabotage Trump's MAGA campaign.
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