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RE: After returning from Europe, I feel really bad for North American guys...
Hahaha, I love threads like this. Yes I 100% agree women are hotter outside of the US but you came back for a reason the amazing answer is.... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Come on man, look in the mirror shirt off "would i fuck this guy" = yes... move on
Question 2. Are you stacking cash? if yes = move on....
Question 3. Are you scared of bitches? If no.... you shouldnt have any problems here.
06-01-2012 07:57 PM
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(06-01-2012 07:57 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  Hahaha, I love threads like this. Yes I 100% agree women are hotter outside of the US but you came back for a reason the amazing answer is.... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Come on man, look in the mirror shirt off "would i fuck this guy" = yes... move on
Question 2. Are you stacking cash? if yes = move on....
Question 3. Are you scared of bitches? If no.... you shouldnt have any problems here.

Like I told the other fellow who made a similar point recently, this is a debate abount quality, not quantity. Everyone knows that if you don't have particularly high standards, can throw some cash around and are able to fit a certain "dark triad"/devolved persona (not a given for most guys, but whatever works), you can rack up decent numbers in many parts of the USA, numbers at a rate you probably couldn't manage in most other parts of the world not named Southeast Asia.

The key is going beyond the numbers and getting quality. If you care about that, you will have problems here.

You lose money chasing women, but you never lose women chasing money.
06-02-2012 12:44 AM
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RE: After returning from Europe, I feel really bad for North American guys...
Let's put it this way, the average white american male, is at his lowest attractive value in America/Canada. You hop on a plain to damn near anywhere else, you are exotic. Latin America, Asia, most parts of europe.

Combined with feminism, and obesity rates, the american dating market sucks for american men.

If you have to be in america to make money, because you are a doctor, lawyer, work for a particular company etc, then you make money. But the fact is, for entrepreneurs, the world is flat.
06-02-2012 02:51 AM
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Theres still hope my Merican brothers, seen this hottie on PlentyOfFatties.com
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(06-02-2012 02:51 AM)Rurik Wrote:  Let's put it this way, the average white american male, is at his lowest attractive value in America/Canada. You hop on a plain to damn near anywhere else, you are exotic. Latin America, Asia, most parts of europe.

True. This is truer still if you're a minority, which may give them even more incentive to broaden their horizons. I'll explain.

If you're white here, your opinion in the eyes of white, asian, and hispanic women is decent, but unremarkable. Go to the sources overseas (Europe, Asia, or Latin America) and you'll generally be seen in a far better light. The same is true of black women (white men can do quite well in many parts of Africa, assuming they're willing to go).

If you're black here, you basically just start off at an even lower level. As an average black guy, your opinion in the eyes of white, asian, and hispanic American women will, on average, be even lower than that of the average white guy here.

Within the USA as a black male, the only group with whom you'll be at less of a disadvantage on average will be black women. Of course, then you'll be dealing with a 50+% obesity rate, and a whole host of other ailments that come with the black American female populace (not the least of which is the fact that they really do not like or respect black men very much).

This is a big part of the reason so many average black men in the USA end up with fatties-there aren't many options. Obese black women outnumber their male counterparts (51% vs. 37%), and because black men are generally not considered high value by other groups of women here, getting a fit white/asian/hispanic woman is left to the very small number of them who have some measure of money/status/pedigree or absurdly good game. The other 95% settle for low hanging and often overweight fruit-they can't do much better, so they make do and content themselves.

Asian males in the USA are in sort of a similar position. Like black men, they often have to put up with their own women talking them down a lot:




You'll also generally not be held in quite as high esteem by white, hispanic, black, or even Asian women as whites will be. People will have a tendency to perceive you as a beta male from the get go, which necessitates a steeper hill to climb when gaming.

Overall, just about every kind of average American guy can benefit from travel game. If you're an average black or asian american, you might very well have even more incentive to get on a plane. There could be a bit more to gain for you.
This is ironic, since these groups are among the least likely to partake in travel-game-hopefully that changes in due time.

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@Athlone

What is quality? I guess that's the issue I don't know of a single quality I "Want/need" besides sex.

Food? I haven't cooked in years
Companionship? I have a phone
Life partner? I'd rather have my freedom

So I guess the big issue is when I hit late thirties well then I am outta the country. The game of life may end at 50 but hell, I don't want kids so no real loss IMHO
06-02-2012 06:22 PM
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(06-02-2012 06:22 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  @Athlone

What is quality? I guess that's the issue I don't know of a single quality I "Want/need" besides sex.

Food? I haven't cooked in years
Companionship? I have a phone
Life partner? I'd rather have my freedom

Generally, a "quality" woman (also known as a "real woman") is of the type that will have you seeking to go beyond the merely sexual relationship. Generally, they tend to be attractive (putting in effort to remain so), quite feminine, and generally good (lots of positive intangibles). Many of their specific traits can be tough to describe, but to quote Justice Potter Stewart, "I know it when I see it." They'll be obvious to you when they appear.

Roosh (to use one of many examples) mentioned the impact they can have during his trip to Poland, where the sheer mass of quality women had him rethinking game and the way he practiced it, even getting him to feel a little guilty about his tactics. Ultimately he didn't let himself soften too much and remains a player, but the impact is still there and will probably be felt down the road as well if he ever does decide to settle down at some point. Even the most hardened players tend to get slowed down and/or softened by these women when they run into them. Roosh's experience isn't exceedingly rare.

Quality women, however, are relatively rare in the United States, which is why American men may have some of the most solid game on the planet. They are simply never compelled to slow down.

Because such an unusually large quantity of the women here (and especially in places like DC, NYC, and other urban hotspots) are really only good for sex due to their abundance of negative personality traits, rationalizations like the ones you made above ("don't need food from her, don't want her companionship, etc") are quite common. There simply is no rational compulsion to seek more than sex from a woman who isn't of a high enough quality intangibly to actually provide more than that.

A real woman would probably have you re-thinking that logic to some extent, though whether or not you changed your mind in the end would be up for grabs.

Quote:So I guess the big issue is when I hit late thirties well then I am outta the country. The game of life may end at 50 but hell, I don't want kids so no real loss IMHO

To each their own. Children are another good way to identify a quality woman-if it is a woman you would consider having a child with (and a woman likely to be a good mother), then there is a good chance she is of high quality. For me, this is a very important indicator as I do eventually want many children.

If you don't ever want any children, then this indicator is less useful I suppose, as is the general pursuit of a quality woman. If all you want is meaningless sex, then any type of woman will do for that.

You lose money chasing women, but you never lose women chasing money.
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(06-02-2012 12:44 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  
(06-01-2012 07:57 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  Hahaha, I love threads like this. Yes I 100% agree women are hotter outside of the US but you came back for a reason the amazing answer is.... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Come on man, look in the mirror shirt off "would i fuck this guy" = yes... move on
Question 2. Are you stacking cash? if yes = move on....
Question 3. Are you scared of bitches? If no.... you shouldnt have any problems here.

Like I told the other fellow who made a similar point recently, this is a debate abount quality, not quantity. Everyone knows that if you don't have particularly high standards, can throw some cash around and are able to fit a certain "dark triad"/devolved persona (not a given for most guys, but whatever works), you can rack up decent numbers in many parts of the USA, numbers at a rate you probably couldn't manage in most other parts of the world not named Southeast Asia.

The key is going beyond the numbers and getting quality. If you care about that, you
will have problems here.

I dont understand why you claim American girls require devolution. That implies self destruction not improvement.
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(08-25-2011 09:17 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  
(08-25-2011 08:45 AM)Moma Wrote:  
(08-25-2011 04:37 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  I passed through El Paso recently on business, and was impressed with the Mexicanas in town. Wasn't there long enough to do a trip report, but I believe it is a good spot for a short/cheap trip. A friend of mine was there working for months and gave a trip report. It goes like this:

1. Go to Cincinnati St.
2. Have a blue passport.

He speaks zero Spanish and still racked up respectable numbers.

What country sports a blue passport? Is this a Smurf thing?

The U.S. passport is blue. He said skin color didn't matter, as long as your American. A lot of the girls are looking for citizenship. Gmanifesto stated is somewhere, and I concur: Mexican girls are WAY underrated on the forum.

I agree that mexican girls are under rated, but the problem is a good number of Mexican girls you meet that live in the US are fat indians. Especially in the west coast.
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(06-02-2012 08:51 PM)torontokid Wrote:  I dont understand why you claim American girls require devolution. That implies self destruction not improvement.

...which is exactly what is happening.

The term implies what it means: backwards evolution, and a subsequent change into a more primitive form. That is precisely what is required for reliable success as a male in the American dating market. That, in and of itself, is a sign of a declining (devolving) culture.

This phenomena is not generally an "improvement", at least not entirely. It is a necessary reaction to a decaying environment, and it requires some decay of ourselves. We devolve because our only other option is celibacy-no other action gets a consistently positive response, so the choice seems fairly obvious.

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Nice, agree meaningless sex it is. I just don't have an interest in having a family, I've worked hard enough, I love life and just don't have an interest in being locked down.
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(06-02-2012 06:04 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  
(06-02-2012 02:51 AM)Rurik Wrote:  Let's put it this way, the average white american male, is at his lowest attractive value in America/Canada. You hop on a plain to damn near anywhere else, you are exotic. Latin America, Asia, most parts of europe.

True. This is truer still if you're a minority, which may give them even more incentive to broaden their horizons. I'll explain.

If you're white here, your opinion in the eyes of white, asian, and hispanic women is decent, but unremarkable. Go to the sources overseas (Europe, Asia, or Latin America) and you'll generally be seen in a far better light. The same is true of black women (white men can do quite well in many parts of Africa, assuming they're willing to go).

If you're black here, you basically just start off at an even lower level. As an average black guy, your opinion in the eyes of white, asian, and hispanic American women will, on average, be even lower than that of the average white guy here.

Within the USA as a black male, the only group with whom you'll be at less of a disadvantage on average will be black women. Of course, then you'll be dealing with a 50+% obesity rate, and a whole host of other ailments that come with the black American female populace (not the least of which is the fact that they really do not like or respect black men very much).

This is a big part of the reason so many average black men in the USA end up with fatties-there aren't many options. Obese black women outnumber their male counterparts (51% vs. 37%), and because black men are generally not considered high value by other groups of women here, getting a fit white/asian/hispanic woman is left to the very small number of them who have some measure of money/status/pedigree or absurdly good game. The other 95% settle for low hanging and often overweight fruit-they can't do much better, so they make do and content themselves.

Asian males in the USA are in sort of a similar position. Like black men, they often have to put up with their own women talking them down a lot:




You'll also generally not be held in quite as high esteem by white, hispanic, black, or even Asian women as whites will be. People will have a tendency to perceive you as a beta male from the get go, which necessitates a steeper hill to climb when gaming.

Overall, just about every kind of average American guy can benefit from travel game. If you're an average black or asian american, you might very well have even more incentive to get on a plane. There could be a bit more to gain for you.
This is ironic, since these groups are among the least likely to partake in travel-game-hopefully that changes in due time.

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(06-03-2012 04:04 PM)rhodey Wrote:  Dodgy

Care to elaborate?

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Athlone is dead right. Oh well though
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Good breakdown of the situation here in the states.

1) The obesity epidemic
2) Bad ratio's(sausagefests)
3) Hypergamy(Sense of entitlement)

I'm just thankful I live in a large city with a revolving door of recent transplant.
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I have to agree with Athlone too. He's pretty accurate in his breakdown of the advantages/disadvantages with US and foreign women with white and black guys. I'm a realist and I think this is a necessity when you want to get laid. I don't go fucking around in places I know will be an uphill battle for me. Other guys can stick it out someplace trying various techniques of game but never attaining that 9 or 10, not seeing the reality of the world staring at them in the face if they want. Meanwhile I'll be the rare (non famous) black dude you see at the airport with the off the charts chick on his arm. And when they ask me how I did it, I'll say what I always say: do some research, get on a plane, learn the local language and go get that shit.
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(06-09-2012 11:25 AM)americanInEurope Wrote:  I don't go fucking around in places I know will be an uphill battle for me. Other guys can stick it out someplace trying various techniques of game but never attaining that 9 or 10, not seeing the reality of the world staring at them in the face if they want. Meanwhile I'll be the rare (non famous) black dude you see at the airport with the off the charts chick on his arm. And when they ask me how I did it, I'll say what I always say: do some research, get on a plane, learn the local language and go get that shit.

Amen.

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(08-24-2011 02:28 PM)Moma Wrote:  
(08-24-2011 02:19 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  I would say Euro cats have it easier for sure to have a super fly girl on their arm.

The x factor is you don't know how many fly girls the cat gets.

I think a lot of the time you see a cat in Euro with a white hot Euro girl, it very well could be his girlfriend for many years, could have grown up together, family friends etc.

Still, that is a way better course of events than for a typical American guy who the closest he gets to a fly American girl is a glimpse across the bar while paying $14 for cocktails.

I agree, my tales of promiscuity disgust some of my euro friends who are in dismay at the amounts of tail that I am putting away (which is still modest compared where I would want to be).

I get the impression (from my Danish friends) that going out to game women is a lower life thing. According to them, casual sex is as normal as going out and playing tennis/basketball/football with some cats in the park.

To give you an idea, one of my friends had her man accompany her on some blind dates where the night would culminate

If that's not sex being acceptable as a culture, I don't know what is.

This was Denmark or some other culture? Do share from your Experience which cultures are this open/ chilled out?

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