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Peterson should be telling his daughter "you're on track to inherit millions of dollars and I'm willing to give you a 6 figure allowance if you just put your fucking clothes back on and don't do anything you wouldn't do in a church."

A more cynical and suspicious man would suggest that he's not allowed to hamstring her degeneracy, so sayeth the handlers.

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I listened to the first 45 mins of the latest Rogan one. I don't think he's a bad guy or anything like that, I'm just bored of him. He has a hollywood agent, I don't know why they aren't advising him like they advise top actors... "stay out of the limelight for 12-18 months or risk overexposure."

Maybe he just wants to get as much dough as he can and then bow out. I genuinely don't know, and nobody here can claim to know either. I for one believe Tom Hardy's career suffered from overexposure—people get sick of seeing you after a while. Leonardo DiCaprio handles it perfect, a really good film once every few years but apart from that you barely hear from him.

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(11-30-2018 09:50 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  But I wouldn't necessarily put that off on JP. You do what you can as a parent in today's crazy world and the rest is out of your hands. Get your house in order ≠ take responsibility for all of your grown kids' behavior.

I think JP is already very happy and grateful that she's still alive.
If nature had her way and without modern medicine, it's very possible that his daughter would have died a long time ago.

Instead of dying she's reasonably healthy now, got married (to a Russian guy actually) in her mid 20s, and became a mother with 27.
Now she's even building her own business, and while it's obviously based on JP's success and brand, it still takes some effort and initiative.

From the point of view of a father, that's not a bad outcome at all.
Realistically speaking it's all you should expect from a daughter.
Stay sane, marry a decent man, have children.
Could be a lot worse.
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Quote:(If we had to go Myers-Briggs, whilst there's likely a bunch of sociopaths amongst cops and career military officers, I'd suggest most are ISTJ - society's watchmen, the guys who assume an order or structure to civilisation and orient to making sure it continues. Lawful Neutral, if you will. Where the cops are former criminals or scum from their ethnic neighbourhoods, they are still believing in a certain hierarchical order to things, believing that police are Authority and therefore they can do best for themselves and/or their communities by turning particular cogs in Authority to "serve their communities".)

Partially correct: https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a401567.pdf

It's as much Es as Is.

The reason for the success of these personality types in the military and in corporate management roles is fairly well understood: they are people who seek to maintain and create order in their environments. They generally believe in hierarchy, structure, and would rate highly on the "Conscientiousness" personality trait.

I'm going to make one assumption without clear evidence in this post: the best players are also the best marketers because both abilities are ones that depend on the ability to conceptualize, crystallize, and then communicate a brand. Many of us can anecdotally vouch for this. Doing that to some extent requires not a mindset of imposing structure, but on manipulating chaos to your own advantage.
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(11-30-2018 11:27 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Peterson should be telling his daughter "you're on track to inherit millions of dollars and I'm willing to give you a 6 figure allowance if you just put your fucking clothes back on and don't do anything you wouldn't do in a church."

A more cynical and suspicious man would suggest that he's not allowed to hamstring her degeneracy, so sayeth the handlers.

Does anyone know anything about his son, does he have any kind of public presence? I wonder about that. In another thread someone pointed out that boomer dads shunned their sons in favor of building up their daughters. I wonder if that's what happened here? If deep down JP just wants to see his daughter famous and happy then her e-whoring is a logical choice.

I often wonder about boomer dads' motivation in disinheriting their own sons while worshipping their daughters. The short answer seems to be, having grown up watching their own dads be abusive assholes, but then men have been through that all throughout history. I think the x-factor is the comfort and excess that have allowed men to sustain this delusion, the idea that their lovely beautiful daughters are fit to take the throne. A dose of socio-economic-political reality would give them the reality check they need, but they have avoided this by accident of birth.
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It is amazing how grating it is to listen to this guy, strangely so in fact.

There are at least two basic reasons I was never able to have any sustained interest in him:

- He is completely humorless. You might argue that such a virtue doesn’t matter in his type of discussions, but it actually matters a great deal. A man needs an ability to pique interest and drive home a point through humor or near-humor. Simply, you need something in the tank to connect with people. Jordan Peterson is unlikeable even when I agree with him- that is a feat!

- It is virtually impossible to take someone with his silly accent seriously, or feel the necessary weight from his words. His is almost parody level. There has never been a single man of cultural relevance with that accent, and for good reason. That’s just the way it is.

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(11-30-2018 02:29 PM)Teedub Wrote:  I listened to the first 45 mins of the latest Rogan one. I don't think he's a bad guy or anything like that, I'm just bored of him. He has a hollywood agent, I don't know why they aren't advising him like they advise top actors... "stay out of the limelight for 12-18 months or risk overexposure."

Maybe he just wants to get as much dough as he can and then bow out. I genuinely don't know, and nobody here can claim to know either. I for one believe Tom Hardy's career suffered from overexposure—people get sick of seeing you after a while. Leonardo DiCaprio handles it perfect, a really good film once every few years but apart from that you barely hear from him.

That's exactly my impression. I think he should spend some time out of the spotlight (maybe researching some of the best criticism of his points and adapting his own positions appropriately).
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Owen Benjamin's rant on Jordan Peterson.

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If you're actually interested in real thought-provoking conversation (instead of being like every other basic idiot focused on conspiracy theories about JP), here's a great one.




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(12-04-2018 09:29 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  It is amazing how grating it is to listen to this guy, strangely so in fact.

There are at least two basic reasons I was never able to have any sustained interest in him:

- He is completely humorless. You might argue that such a virtue doesn’t matter in his type of discussions, but it actually matters a great deal. A man needs an ability to pique interest and drive home a point through humor or near-humor. Simply, you need something in the tank to connect with people. Jordan Peterson is unlikeable even when I agree with him- that is a feat!

- It is virtually impossible to take someone with his silly accent seriously, or feel the necessary weight from his words. His is almost parody level. There has never been a single man of cultural relevance with that accent, and for good reason. That’s just the way it is.

That is true indeed. Some guys have humor in their voice, some do jokes even on the most dire subjects - then albeit in a black humor nature. Whenever I did a talk or presentation on any subject - even one that is dark and had children dying in it - I added my black humor to it, because it's how some people add focal points and some attitude to a bleak or dry subject. Plus - you tend to remember it better.

I saw Peterson laugh maybe 2 times - he is a dour man indeed. And if he was more intellectually honest then this could be forgiven, but he isn't.
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Weird to have a guy who can't even properly raise his daughter lead a discussion about making the world a better place.

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(12-16-2018 02:14 PM)911 Wrote:  Weird to have a guy who can't even properly raise his daughter lead a discussion about making the world a better place.

Rush Limbaugh was the one who got the ball rolling with going after the kids of people he hated.

Said Jimmy Carter's daughter was ugly.

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I don't really hate Peterson, just the idea that he's being held up as some kind of a guru for young lost souls, when his own daughter didn't turn out very well. In this context, it's pretty relevant to point out his shortfalls as a parent.

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Jordan Peterson has been working on a replacement for Patreon for a while, and he had Rubin and many others are planning on implementing it, and moving away from it, and the impetus for this, among other things, is support for Sargon of Akkad. They knew this crackdown of free speech was going to come and they have been preparing for it.





Or that's just what they are saying, and it is a meat eating cult leading mentally unstable deluded person's pack of lies.

In any event, content creators outside their sphere seem to be taking them at their word.


It is almost too good to hope for, that free speech advocates do an end run right around Patreon and carry on.

Must be a Jew trick. No way these guys are sincere or actually doing something positive.

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(12-19-2018 12:52 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  It is almost too good to hope for, that free speech advocates do an end run right around Patreon and carry on.

Must be a Jew trick. No way these guys are sincere or actually doing something positive.

Would you call me cynical for saying "I've heard these promises before."?

Peterson's already censored people for extremely spurious reasons. I'm not sure I want him involved in a Free Speech site that is more reasonable... but still censors.

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(12-19-2018 01:54 PM)Aurini Wrote:  
(12-19-2018 12:52 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  It is almost too good to hope for, that free speech advocates do an end run right around Patreon and carry on.

Must be a Jew trick. No way these guys are sincere or actually doing something positive.

Would you call me cynical for saying "I've heard these promises before."?

Peterson's already censored people for extremely spurious reasons. I'm not sure I want him involved in a Free Speech site that is more reasonable... but still censors.

A fair statement.

I'm taking a wait-and-see approach on this myself. Peterson also promised to debut a website powered by AI-based NLP that would highlight cultural Marxist rhetoric in college class descriptions so students and parents could boycott those classes--this also has yet to appear. Although to be fair, such a project is highly ambitious and labor intensive and would require the services of a knowledgeable data scientist.

We will see what happens.

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(12-19-2018 02:01 PM)Buck Wild Wrote:  
(12-19-2018 01:54 PM)Aurini Wrote:  
(12-19-2018 12:52 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  It is almost too good to hope for, that free speech advocates do an end run right around Patreon and carry on.

Must be a Jew trick. No way these guys are sincere or actually doing something positive.

Would you call me cynical for saying "I've heard these promises before."?

Peterson's already censored people for extremely spurious reasons. I'm not sure I want him involved in a Free Speech site that is more reasonable... but still censors.

A fair statement.

I'm taking a wait-and-see approach on this myself. Peterson also promised to debut a website powered by AI-based NLP that would highlight cultural Marxist rhetoric in college class descriptions so students and parents could boycott those classes--this also has yet to appear. Although to be fair, such a project is highly ambitious and labor intensive and would require the services of a knowledgeable data scientist.

We will see what happens.

To be fair to Peterson, he wasn't that internet savvy when he had the AI website idea, and shelved it because he was convinced that it was too close to a name and shame, doxing kind of idea.

As to silencing free speech, the only one I am aware of is disinviting Faith Goldy, which, while weak, is not censoring in my book.

When it comes to Peterson, everything becomes oversimplified and black and white.

He's for free speech? But he didn't want that loose cannon Goldy on the same stage as he was? He's against free speech!

To me the issue is, he invited her, so he should deal with her, even if he later regrets it, so disinviting her was a weak move.

It isn't evidence of being against free speech. It is evidence of exercising freedom of association.

Anyway, I am in a wait and see mode too. It's just that there was a lot of talk about how Peterson wasn't standing behind Sargon, and all he was doing was tweeting, and isn't he ungrateful.

And now that he actually expresses his gratitude to Sargon for helping him at the beginning of his wider public life, and also openly says that he and others are creating an alternative to Patreon, well, no one would have posted that video if I hadn't.

The negative things he does are exaggerated, and the positive things he does are ignored.

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I forgot to post here a couple of weeks ago that I read Vox Day's book "Jordanetics".

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Here are the things I learned:

1. Jordan Peterson really does have a tendency to waffle without actually making a point.

2. If Jordan Peterson publishes something that turns out to be misleading or false, rather than offering a clear and emphatic clarification or retraction, in most cases he tends to waffle without actually making a point.

3. Vox Day really, really dislikes Jordan Peterson.

You know those posts here that pick apart a post from above sentence by sentence?
Imagine one of those 223 pages long that covers mostly 12 rules, but the rest of Peterson's work as well.
That this is the man who identified, and coined the term "Gamma Male" amuses me to a degree.

If your hobby is arguing with Jordan Peterson fans on the internet, then this book is a must have. Every argument, question, and comeback you will ever need to become supreme lord of some forum thread somewhere is here for you.

If you are (still) an avid Peterson supporter who fills his idle hours white knighting for The Messiah in the internet's darkest corners, this book could change your life, for you will either cry out with the impotent rage of denial and slam it down declaring Vox a "complete Gamma"
Or the painful truth will be slowly, painstakingly, page by page be hammered into your head until you can't ignore it any longer. He's not the Messiah, his faults are numerous.
You could leave it at that, but you won't. Because fuck doing things by halves. You must now switch your allegiance to the rightful heir to Peterson's millions (and daughter too, why not?).

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Quote:3. Vox Day really, really dislikes Jordan Peterson.

Vox Day is basically a professional contrarian and he's really tenacious and good at it. When he finds something juicy to take a strong contrary position on he'll go all-in on it. It doesn't make him wrong but he doesn't always give you the whole picture.
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Peterson is backing up Sargon without too much waffling and his criticism of Patreon has led to a predictable mass exodus, which means he is standing up for a belief despite the cost to himself.

Can't wait to see how this is spun as gamma cult shill behavior.


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< He doesn't need the Patreon-poor-men-money now since he has the full support of the globalists as well as a Hollywood agent.

Taking a stand for the similarly deluded civic nationalists like Sargon does not cost him anything. Peterson will be fine no matter what. He is what the elite would love as the outermost "opposition" to their plans - the same with Rubin or Shapiro - all globalist lackeys.

They are in good company. It has nothing to do with Gamma behavior, but encompasses the usual boomerism crap that made sense in the 1970s - and not even then, since the foundation was set in those times for the total destruction of today and absolute annihilation of Western civilization in the future. But at least his daughter can swim in a pool of Patreon money in Bangkok while the West burns.
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(12-20-2018 03:16 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  < He doesn't need the Patreon-poor-men-money now since he has the full support of the globalists as well as a Hollywood agent.

Taking a stand for the similarly deluded civic nationalists like Sargon does not cost him anything. Peterson will be fine no matter what. He is what the elite would love as the outermost "opposition" to their plans - the same with Rubin or Shapiro - all globalist lackeys.

They are in good company. It has nothing to do with Gamma behavior, but encompasses the usual boomerism crap that made sense in the 1970s - and not even then, since the foundation was set in those times for the total destruction of today and absolute annihilation of Western civilization in the future. But at least his daughter can swim in a pool of Patreon money in Bangkok while the West burns.

And we have a winner.

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(12-20-2018 05:36 AM)Tex Cruise Wrote:  3. Vox Day really, really dislikes Jordan Peterson.

You know those posts here that pick apart a post from above sentence by sentence?
Imagine one of those 223 pages long that covers mostly 12 rules, but the rest of Peterson's work as well.

I too have just finished the book. What Vox really, really dislikes is Jordan Peterson's intellectual dishonesty. This he meticulously picks apart and exposes over the course of 223 pages. It is what I expected from the book and it did not disappoint.
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I saw someone (reputable, well known business author) saying that Peterson had come out against US aid to Israel.

Search engines just show me 2017 results of him defending. Can anyone prove/disprove?
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