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One thought:

I'd probably be pretty torn up emotionally and cry if my wife had cancer. I feel that's perfectly reasonable because we're talking about a woman who is by any objective measure an extremely kind, caring, and good person that has chosen to spend her life hitched to me and working to make my vision of a family be reality. That's an extreme level of commitment that is worthy of huge emotional investment on my part....even if female pscyhology and gender roles require you to keep a straight face and not ever show yourself getting cracked up over it to them. (it's OK to remind them of that, but you must never allow yourself to do it when you're in a simpish mood).


The difference is that I would absolutely never get on an interview or a call like that if I was in a position to where I knew I couldn't hold composure.
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(10-24-2019 11:47 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 11:24 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 11:12 AM)questor70 Wrote:  Even though SJWs eat their own, they are currently the dominant force in the culture-war BY FAR. There's no way any positive movement will happen if red-pill breaks down into rigid small-tent factions with nobody wanting to extend support unless they match your ideology exactly. I know this sentiment runs counter to the direction of this forum has gone, but it's something to consider. This purity-test stuff is counter-productive.

That sounds contradictory. You claim SJWs are dominant culturally and eat their own, yet also claim eating your own is counter-productive?
Not really. It's the nature of the SJW. If they didn't eat their own, they would simply be more powerful.

On the contrary.







Them eating their own is important because it enforces conformity and scares them out of doing anything other than 100% supporting and amplifying the chosen narrative.


This will not work for the right because the right lacks the enforcement mechanisms that the SJW's have, so they can not effectively enforce "making an example" out of some on their own side in order to prevent defections.[/b]
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(10-24-2019 04:05 AM)Teedub Wrote:  
(10-22-2019 04:42 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  It’s sad to see what’s become of him, but it wasn’t that hard to predict. I’ve never seen a grown man cry over being insulted on the internet, and I hope he takes a break from all this and starts lifting weights instead. He said in that video that “when people mob attack you on Twitter, your first response is to examine your own conscience and see where you transgressed.”

Have you ever been attacked by an online mob? I have and it was deeply unpleasant. I posted something under my real name and real profile picture in earnest, and some major feminist account (who obviously search for terms like "rape culture" in order to find things to be outraged about and people to attack) picked it up and overnight I had hundreds of people attacking me. I didn't cry, but I was full of adrenaline and was quite shook by the experience, particularly because I hadn't posted anything deliberately inflammatory.

I had a hit piece written against me by an "Orthodox" blog last year with a large audience, the author of which went through a series of my podcasts and ROK articles making up lies about me and trying to associate me with LARPing wignats like Matt Heimbach.

Though there was a moment or two of shock at having something like that written and published with no forewarning or conversation, my response to the author was "nice hit piece but you missed my Gab posts, here's the link if you want to go through that too." At no point did I turn inwards and cry over it as if I was somehow in the wrong or as if some random hater on the internet had moral authority over me.

And in response to the guy who suggested I've never been depressed, I was treated for depression throughout my late teens and early twenties. The difference between my depression and Peterson's is that I wasn't charging younger guys $300 to hear lectures about how to be paragons of masculine strength and health while secretly being a drug-addled emotional trainwreck, to use Vox's words. I have less sympathy at the moment than I do for your average depressed person, who is not promoting themselves as pillars of strength and making $800,000 per month by pretending they've figured out all the secrets and mysteries of the universe.

I told Jonathan Pageau almost a year ago that Peterson was about to spiral into collapse, and asked him to put me in touch with Peterson so that I could help him. And I COULD have helped him, because I don't worship him or care about his work or think he's even that smart, but would rather have a normal conversation with him - something that apparently nobody in his entire life will do because they see him as some kind of god - since from my past dealings with the occult I know exactly what's going on inside his soul. Pageau refused to put me in touch and now, here we are. I'm still willing to help but I don't know anyone else with a direct line to him, the only thing I know for sure is that there is nobody in his life telling him the truth and it's blackened his spirit. I know what kinds of images the demons are filling his head with and still believe I could articulate it to him in a way that would make him realize what's happening and, possibly, snap out of it.

If anyone reading this, lurker or otherwise, has a direct line to him, I'll repeat it here - I believe I can help him if you put me in touch.

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(10-24-2019 01:28 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  And in response to the guy who suggested I've never been depressed, I was treated for depression throughout my late teens and early twenties. The difference between my depression and Peterson's is that I wasn't charging younger guys $300 to hear lectures about how to be paragons of masculine strength and health while secretly being a drug-addled emotional trainwreck, to use Vox's words. I have less sympathy at the moment than I do for your average depressed person, who is not promoting themselves as pillars of strength and making $800,000 per month by pretending they've figured out all the secrets and mysteries of the universe.

This shows more ignorance on the topic. I never said you were never depressed. Everyone gets depressed. That isn't even close to the same type of depression I am talking about.

This is pure ego thinking you know what this guy has been through and can help him.
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I'm not talking about helping him with depression, I'm talking about helping him with his spiritual corruption from the inside out as a result of selling his soul for fame and money. I don't believe that even he understands what's happening, and call it ego if you want, but I've been through the pagan initiations and the demonic influence and I understand how it works and what it takes to come out the other side. I don't see how it's "ego" to suggest that you can help someone through something that you have already been through and have more experience with than they do.

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(10-24-2019 01:47 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  I'm not talking about helping him with depression, I'm talking about helping him with his spiritual corruption from the inside out as a result of selling his soul for fame and money. I don't believe that even he understands what's happening, and call it ego if you want, but I've been through the pagan initiations and the demonic influence and I understand how it works and what it takes to come out the other side. I don't see how it's "ego" to suggest that you can help someone through something that you have already been through and have more experience with than they do.

A major part of his problem is clinical depression, not demonic influence. That is why he is on the drugs. Unless I am mistaken and it is something entirely different. You don't just shrug off that type of depression. You just try and ride the wave with the use of drugs and hope you get to the other side.

I'd say your ego is at play because you insist you know what is happening while also insisting he doesn't. Who are you to decide if this man is spiritually corrupt?

Peterson hasn't tried to hide any of this from what I have seen. How many people making that type of money would try and hide their weaknesses so they could continue to profit?
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Quote:A major part of his problem is clinical depression, not demonic influence.

How do you know that?

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(10-24-2019 02:23 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
Quote:A major part of his problem is clinical depression, not demonic influence.

How do you know that?

I have clinical depression and have experienced many of the things I see Peterson going through. This is a lifetime issue that never goes away. The best you can do is mitigate the chances of depression happening. I don't know if that would be possible to mitigate if one had learned your wife had cancer and could die.
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That is not a sound argument. Are you identical to him in all other ways? I am a man with a beard and am not influenced with demons, therefore other men with beards are also not possessed. Maybe it would have more weight if he was your twin.

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(10-24-2019 02:33 PM)Roosh Wrote:  That is not a sound argument. Are you identical to him in all other ways? I am a man with a beard and am not influenced with demons, therefore other men with beards are also not possessed. Maybe it would have more weight if he was your twin.

If his family has a history of mental illness then chances are higher that he inherited it compared to being demonically influenced.
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(10-24-2019 12:57 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  One thought:

I'd probably be pretty torn up emotionally and cry if my wife had cancer. I feel that's perfectly reasonable because we're talking about a woman who is by any objective measure an extremely kind, caring, and good person that has chosen to spend her life hitched to me and working to make my vision of a family be reality. That's an extreme level of commitment that is worthy of huge emotional investment on my part....even if female pscyhology and gender roles require you to keep a straight face and not ever show yourself getting cracked up over it to them. (it's OK to remind them of that, but you must never allow yourself to do it when you're in a simpish mood).


The difference is that I would absolutely never get on an interview or a call like that if I was in a position to where I knew I couldn't hold composure.

It might mean he never does public interviews or speaking engagements ever again.

To use my WW2 veteran grandfather as an example. He spent 5 years in Europe 'killing other Christians' as he said, and it fucked him up for life. My mom mentioned that as a little girl he would often sit in his chair listening to the world news, and he would sob. Even when I was a kid and certain topics would come up as us grandkids bounced around and followed him around the farm, he would sometimes have to stop as he choked up and would blink his tears back inside for a moment.

A life of hearing the darkest, saddest stories of humanity have probable left him with such a thin trigger for emotions. How many people has he watched die? Probably more than most people would ever wish. Suicides, drug overdoses, long walks - all these and more. Now his wife is potentially dying. Even before her sickness I would notice that he touches his wedding band all the time. She has likely been the one rock in his life that kept him from the bottle.

His weeping does not bother me in the least.
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(10-24-2019 12:48 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Trigger Warning:

This is a measured, reasonable, compassionate take on Jordan Peterson by Black Pigeon Speaks.

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Very balanced.

The threat from the leftists to a Church that was going to screen a documentary of his at 15:10 is particularly worth while to put in front of your eyes.

For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. Rom 1:22
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(10-24-2019 02:36 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 02:33 PM)Roosh Wrote:  That is not a sound argument. Are you identical to him in all other ways? I am a man with a beard and am not influenced with demons, therefore other men with beards are also not possessed. Maybe it would have more weight if he was your twin.

If his family has a history of mental illness then chances are higher that he inherited it compared to being demonically influenced.

Yes, "chances". But we can't say for sure.

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(10-24-2019 02:25 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 02:23 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
Quote:A major part of his problem is clinical depression, not demonic influence.

How do you know that?

I have clinical depression and have experienced many of the things I see Peterson going through. This is a lifetime issue that never goes away. The best you can do is mitigate the chances of depression happening. I don't know if that would be possible to mitigate if one had learned your wife had cancer and could die.

It seems reasonable that someone who has experienced depression might have better ability to spot it in others than someone who hasn't.

You also make a good point about his wife's cancer. This could have terrible effects on anyone.

It seems disingenuous to me when Vox Days says he told us so.

He was predicting a meltdown based purely on Peterson's character, and wasn't saying anything about reaction to a serious life event that could unhinge anyone for a time.

It's kind of like saying, "You're a bad driver, you are going to get in an accident," and then when a person, minding their own business at a stop sign gets rear ended, saying, "See, I told you so."

As for the demon angle, I think it is beyond human understanding whether or not these are two separate phenomena at all.

On the one hand, all of what we call mental illness may well be due to actions of demons, only we can't see it.

On the other hand, modern psychiatric treatment for depression might be a low level, secular sort of exorcism that God allows people to participate in whether they believe in him or not, because he cares about everyone, not just Christians.

“That sig BTW is a very asinine anti-family anti-parent quote. You live in a country where 40% of children grow up without a biological father, yet somehow “the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents”? Sorry but this is fruity Boomer nonsense.”

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Got to hand it to Vox.

Appears Peterson is going through some personal trials. May God have mercy, though His will be done.

Doing a highly profitable public 12 part series on The Word of God may come with some strings attached eh?
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Quote:You also make a good point about his wife's cancer.

I'm not 100% convinced his wife had cancer. They claimed that she had terminal cancer. Terminal means terminal. This is a long battle that doesn't resolve easily. Miracles happen, but usually involves a pious family or holy elder. If a miracle happened to an atheist, they tend to turn spiritual after that. Didn't happen here. They are as atheist as ever.

Chemotherapy is guaranteed to be prescribed in a terminal case, but she didn't lose her hair (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPwaixIuTrU ). So she had a tumor, the surgeons removed it, but no chemo? That's not standard medical treatment.

Also, the Petersons are an oversharing family. They went on TV to talk about their depression years ago. We know everything about their diets and lives. Yet they have been mum on the cancer. Why? It's easier to talk about cancer than depression, since there is less personal embarrassment. Where are the details? Mikhaila shares all the prescription drugs she takes. Which drugs did the wife take for her cancer? What exactly did her surgery entail? If I'm a private person and decide not to share my cancer diagnosis, that would make sense, but if I share everything, then suddenly go quiet during terminal cancer, that's a red flag. Unfortunately, it's extremely common for people to fake cancer diagnoses (Google "fake cancer"). You could argue that the wife doesn't want to share gory details, but if you are going to use cancer to justify Jordan's behavior, it should be convincing. I don't see this family as one who can be trusted.

I believe it's possible for the cancer to be a cover story for Jordan's addiction, because without the cancer, it would look like Jordan is a fraud, since he just made millions advising others to lead his lives but collapses with a cancer diagnosis, something that is quite common these days. The cover story is something that Hollywood would come up with, and Jordan does have a Hollywood agent. I wouldn't be surprised if his wife had a kidney stone or some vague syndrome and that was spun into cancer. Based on the level of deceit coming out of the Peterson family, I would need to see evidence.

In summary, it's very possible she has cancer, and I hope she recovers from that, but it's also possible that she does not.

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(10-24-2019 03:30 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  It seems disingenuous to me when Vox Days says he told us so.

Just remember where the "I told you so" is really coming from.

Quote:As for the demon angle, I think it is beyond human understanding whether or not these are two separate phenomena at all.

On the one hand, all of what we call mental illness may well be due to actions of demons, only we can't see it.

On the other hand, modern psychiatric treatment for depression might be a low level, secular sort of exorcism that God allows people to participate in whether they believe in him or not, because he cares about everyone, not just Christians.

I view mental illness as just another test some of us have to go through on our journey here. Life isn't easy for anyone. Even if your rich, good looking, built, or whatever... everyone is going to be tested and through those tests we can spiritually grow.

My situation helped me to learn more about forgiveness and to remind myself that I shouldn't be judging others. I and many in society would view me as weak when I was at my lowest. I don't view myself that way any longer.
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(10-24-2019 04:02 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
Quote:You also make a good point about his wife's cancer.

I'm not 100% convinced his wife had cancer. They claimed that she had terminal cancer. Terminal means terminal. This is a long battle that doesn't resolve easily. Miracles happen, but usually involves a pious family or holy elder. If a miracle happened to an atheist, they tend to turn spiritual after that. Didn't happen here. They are as atheist as ever.

Chemotherapy is guaranteed to be prescribed in a terminal case, but she didn't lose her hair (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPwaixIuTrU ). So she had a tumor, the surgeons removed it, but no chemo? That's not standard medical treatment.

Also, the Petersons are an oversharing family. They went on TV to talk about their depression years ago. We know everything about their diets and lives. Yet they have been mum on the cancer. Why? It's easier to talk about cancer than depression, since there is less personal embarrassment. Where are the details? Mikhaila shares all the prescription drugs she takes. Which drugs did the wife take for her cancer? What exactly did her surgery entail? If I'm a private person and decide not to share my cancer diagnosis, that would make sense, but if I share everything, then suddenly go quiet during terminal cancer, that's a red flag. Unfortunately, it's extremely common for people to fake cancer diagnoses (Google "fake cancer"). You could argue that the wife doesn't want to share gory details, but if you are going to use cancer to justify Jordan's behavior, it should be convincing. I don't see this family as one who can be trusted.

I believe it's possible for the cancer to be a cover story for Jordan's addiction, because without the cancer, it would look like Jordan is a fraud, since he just made millions advising others to lead his lives but collapses with a cancer diagnosis, something that is quite common these days. The cover story is something that Hollywood would come up with, and Jordan does have a Hollywood agent. I wouldn't be surprised if his wife had a kidney stone or some vague syndrome and that was spun into cancer. Based on the level of deceit coming out of the Peterson family, I would need to see evidence.

In summary, it's very possible she has cancer, and I hope she recovers from that, but it's also possible that she does not.

Why does everything has to be a conspiracy Jesus Christ.
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There is a reason that everything Jordan says should be treated with the greatest skepticism. His definition of 'truth' is way different to the rest of us. By his own admittance he is 'gerrymandering' it.

Peterson subscribes to a Darwinian theory of truth, 'Darwinian' being his wacky take on Pragmatism. He believes that no ideas are true, only true enough to keep us alive.

Truth is 'that which serves life' or 'that which keeps us alive'.

If a discovery is made that leads to peoples' deaths or we think will lead to deaths it is not true. He then goes futher to link in morality by saying that scientific truths are nested within morality. If something is immoral then it is not true. It is a false idea.





The clips from the arguments with Sam Harris are devastating. Peterson even says at one point "I don't think facts are necessarily true". I'm no fan of Harris but he has revealed to us that Peterson has a highly warped concept of truth and as such cannot be trustworthy.
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Sin attracts demons and allows them to set up shop in our hearts, minds, and souls. Lying for money is a serious sin, as is spreading exterminationist propaganda under the guise of “bonding together with your community is evil so do the virtuous thing and be a radical individualist instead.”

Imagine if during World War 2, some random guy was suddenly catapulted into an iconic guru for telling gypsies, Jews, and other targets of the Nazi regime that protecting their own communities was a pathologically evil ideology and that the right thing to do was bury their heads in the sand and just look out for their own individual interests instead.

What would you say about a person like that? Would said Jews and gypsies say he’s a pillar of virtue and a good guide to life and its meaning, or would they say he’s obviously being paid and artificially promoted to help the establishment pursue their agenda?

And if your answer to that is the obvious and correct one, then how can you defend people of European heritage who pay him big money to hear that exact same message towards their own people?

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(10-22-2019 04:42 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  It’s sad to see what’s become of him, but it wasn’t that hard to predict. I’ve never seen a grown man cry over being insulted on the internet, and I hope he takes a break from all this and starts lifting weights instead. He said in that video that “when people mob attack you on Twitter, your first response is to examine your own conscience and see where you transgressed.”

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As for Peterson, I think his fall from grace proves that he is not (as if it wasn't evident anyway) some high-end CIA operative or whatever, as was suggested by some, ahem 'conspiratorial types', on here.

He didn't really "fall out from grace", he's still raking it in, and getting major MSM coverage like that interview above.

The only thing that happened here is that the smarter element of his audience is starting to see through his bullshit. Unfortunately we're not large enough to make a dent into his bottom line or popular reach. I recently saw his book sold in the local language at a German airport and an Italian newsstand.

As to his depression, i would imagine it's hard to reconcile the opposition between his preaching being true and holding back the truth. This is somewhat similar to the depression of Apollo astronauts, who have had to live the rest of their lives as a lie.

Fundamentally, his entire public persona is a mask, something he himself alluded to. He's what Joe Atwill calls a "lifetime actor". Many of these people will experience some inner turmoil by virtue of their duplicitous nature.

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(10-24-2019 04:02 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
Quote:You also make a good point about his wife's cancer.

I'm not 100% convinced his wife had cancer. They claimed that she had terminal cancer. Terminal means terminal. This is a long battle that doesn't resolve easily. Miracles happen, but usually involves a pious family or holy elder. If a miracle happened to an atheist, they tend to turn spiritual after that. Didn't happen here. They are as atheist as ever.

Chemotherapy is guaranteed to be prescribed in a terminal case, but she didn't lose her hair (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPwaixIuTrU ). So she had a tumor, the surgeons removed it, but no chemo? That's not standard medical treatment.

Also, the Petersons are an oversharing family. They went on TV to talk about their depression years ago. We know everything about their diets and lives. Yet they have been mum on the cancer. Why? It's easier to talk about cancer than depression, since there is less personal embarrassment. Where are the details? Mikhaila shares all the prescription drugs she takes. Which drugs did the wife take for her cancer? What exactly did her surgery entail? If I'm a private person and decide not to share my cancer diagnosis, that would make sense, but if I share everything, then suddenly go quiet during terminal cancer, that's a red flag. Unfortunately, it's extremely common for people to fake cancer diagnoses (Google "fake cancer"). You could argue that the wife doesn't want to share gory details, but if you are going to use cancer to justify Jordan's behavior, it should be convincing. I don't see this family as one who can be trusted.

I believe it's possible for the cancer to be a cover story for Jordan's addiction, because without the cancer, it would look like Jordan is a fraud, since he just made millions advising others to lead his lives but collapses with a cancer diagnosis, something that is quite common these days. The cover story is something that Hollywood would come up with, and Jordan does have a Hollywood agent. I wouldn't be surprised if his wife had a kidney stone or some vague syndrome and that was spun into cancer. Based on the level of deceit coming out of the Peterson family, I would need to see evidence.

In summary, it's very possible she has cancer, and I hope she recovers from that, but it's also possible that she does not.

Maybe the wife wants her details kept to a minimum?

Jordan and the daughter are selling a product so they have a duty to divulge personal details.

Jordan divulges his battles with depression because his book and lectures partly deal with depression.

His daughter shared all her meds because she's selling a diet and wants to show how great the diet is because it helped her get off the meds.
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(10-24-2019 02:44 PM)Laner Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 12:57 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  One thought:

I'd probably be pretty torn up emotionally and cry if my wife had cancer. I feel that's perfectly reasonable because we're talking about a woman who is by any objective measure an extremely kind, caring, and good person that has chosen to spend her life hitched to me and working to make my vision of a family be reality. That's an extreme level of commitment that is worthy of huge emotional investment on my part....even if female pscyhology and gender roles require you to keep a straight face and not ever show yourself getting cracked up over it to them. (it's OK to remind them of that, but you must never allow yourself to do it when you're in a simpish mood).


The difference is that I would absolutely never get on an interview or a call like that if I was in a position to where I knew I couldn't hold composure.

It might mean he never does public interviews or speaking engagements ever again.

To use my WW2 veteran grandfather as an example. He spent 5 years in Europe 'killing other Christians' as he said, and it fucked him up for life. My mom mentioned that as a little girl he would often sit in his chair listening to the world news, and he would sob. Even when I was a kid and certain topics would come up as us grandkids bounced around and followed him around the farm, he would sometimes have to stop as he choked up and would blink his tears back inside for a moment.

A life of hearing the darkest, saddest stories of humanity have probable left him with such a thin trigger for emotions. How many people has he watched die? Probably more than most people would ever wish. Suicides, drug overdoses, long walks - all these and more. Now his wife is potentially dying. Even before her sickness I would notice that he touches his wedding band all the time. She has likely been the one rock in his life that kept him from the bottle.

His weeping does not bother me in the least.

Allied troops committed many war crimes on the Western front, including mass rapes (to a lesser extent than in the eastern front, but still common), systematic execution of war prisoners, and the killing of civilians.





https://allthatsinteresting.com/us-war-crimes-ww2

This leaves a much stronger psychological mark than "normal" warfare. Not saying that your grandfather committed war crimes, but he was likely a witness to some, events which in a normal non-sociopathic person will leave an indelible mark.

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(10-24-2019 03:23 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 02:36 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 02:33 PM)Roosh Wrote:  That is not a sound argument. Are you identical to him in all other ways? I am a man with a beard and am not influenced with demons, therefore other men with beards are also not possessed. Maybe it would have more weight if he was your twin.

If his family has a history of mental illness then chances are higher that he inherited it compared to being demonically influenced.

Yes, "chances". But we can't say for sure.

More likely than not, this "history" is not genetic. Children born in dysfunctional homes are likely to perpetrate that dysfunctionality. Abused children are likely to become abusers. Some of it is physiological rather than genetic, for example children born in warzones will be more likely to be unstable as adults.

Reducing mental conditions to a disease is a way to absolve social and familial dysfunction, it's become ingrained in the culture today because the culture itself is dysfunctional, leading to the explosion and normalization of mental issues like depression.

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