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(10-24-2019 01:00 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 11:47 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 11:24 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 11:12 AM)questor70 Wrote:  Even though SJWs eat their own, they are currently the dominant force in the culture-war BY FAR. There's no way any positive movement will happen if red-pill breaks down into rigid small-tent factions with nobody wanting to extend support unless they match your ideology exactly. I know this sentiment runs counter to the direction of this forum has gone, but it's something to consider. This purity-test stuff is counter-productive.

That sounds contradictory. You claim SJWs are dominant culturally and eat their own, yet also claim eating your own is counter-productive?
Not really. It's the nature of the SJW. If they didn't eat their own, they would simply be more powerful.

On the contrary.







Them eating their own is important because it enforces conformity and scares them out of doing anything other than 100% supporting and amplifying the chosen narrative.


This will not work for the right because the right lacks the enforcement mechanisms that the SJW's have, so they can not effectively enforce "making an example" out of some on their own side in order to prevent defections.[/b]

I'm not so certain. It depends on which factions ultimately prevail. I tend to think that there is a limit to how irrational the 'average' liberal mind might be. I may be wrong though.
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(10-24-2019 07:33 PM)911 Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 02:44 PM)Laner Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 12:57 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  One thought:

I'd probably be pretty torn up emotionally and cry if my wife had cancer. I feel that's perfectly reasonable because we're talking about a woman who is by any objective measure an extremely kind, caring, and good person that has chosen to spend her life hitched to me and working to make my vision of a family be reality. That's an extreme level of commitment that is worthy of huge emotional investment on my part....even if female pscyhology and gender roles require you to keep a straight face and not ever show yourself getting cracked up over it to them. (it's OK to remind them of that, but you must never allow yourself to do it when you're in a simpish mood).


The difference is that I would absolutely never get on an interview or a call like that if I was in a position to where I knew I couldn't hold composure.

It might mean he never does public interviews or speaking engagements ever again.

To use my WW2 veteran grandfather as an example. He spent 5 years in Europe 'killing other Christians' as he said, and it fucked him up for life. My mom mentioned that as a little girl he would often sit in his chair listening to the world news, and he would sob. Even when I was a kid and certain topics would come up as us grandkids bounced around and followed him around the farm, he would sometimes have to stop as he choked up and would blink his tears back inside for a moment.

A life of hearing the darkest, saddest stories of humanity have probable left him with such a thin trigger for emotions. How many people has he watched die? Probably more than most people would ever wish. Suicides, drug overdoses, long walks - all these and more. Now his wife is potentially dying. Even before her sickness I would notice that he touches his wedding band all the time. She has likely been the one rock in his life that kept him from the bottle.

His weeping does not bother me in the least.

Allied troops committed many war crimes on the Western front, including mass rapes (to a lesser extent than in the eastern front, but still common), systematic execution of war prisoners, and the killing of civilians.





https://allthatsinteresting.com/us-war-crimes-ww2

This leaves a much stronger psychological mark than "normal" warfare. Not saying that your grandfather committed war crimes, but he was likely a witness to some, events which in a normal non-sociopathic person will leave an indelible mark.

I understand that, but it does not take away from the fact that JP focused a large part of his teachings on helping boys and young men. War and the destruction it has on young minds is outside of JPs path in life, but it does not mean he doesn't feel the pain of his patients. If I had to argue this point, it would certainly be that he has a very special place for struggling young men because of how many he sees that are dwelling in their own personal hell. And many of those men end up dead.

It cannot be an easy path in life. All the money in the world that he is experiencing now in no way makes up for the sadness he has been a part of through his life.
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I've noticed anecdotally that very often the best psychiatrists are very screwed up on their own in some way. I know of one who is brilliant at the job itself but has a lot of issues due to spending most of his career as a 40+ year old man with the emotional maturity of a 14 year old.

I think to some extent that to be a really effective psychiatrist you need to be on a similar enough wavelength to your patients to communicate with them effectively which means you aren't going to have your own shit together that well.
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(10-24-2019 08:35 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  I've noticed anecdotally that very often the best psychiatrists are very screwed up on their own in some way. I know of one who is brilliant at the job itself but has a lot of issues due to spending most of his career as a 40+ year old man with the emotional maturity of a 14 year old.

I think to some extent that to be a really effective psychiatrist you need to be on a similar enough wavelength to your patients to communicate with them effectively which means you aren't going to have your own shit together that well.

Hence the popular joke for anyone in the psychological sciences: "What's your problem?" Everyone has issues, differential is on how much those issues control a person to the point he can not be a functional human being.
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"Do whatever helps you survive and reproduce" is more or less straight out of the Satanic Bible.

And also Mystery Method.

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10-25-2019 01:32 AM
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(10-24-2019 11:12 AM)questor70 Wrote:  
(10-24-2019 02:13 AM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  This is a clear reminder that we can't exalt any figures or role models. All we should do is take what is useful and move on.

This. I find this ongoing search for messiahs to be childish, as is the pattern of throwing the baby out with the bathwater if the candidate shows even a single human frailty. You take what's useful from various sources and blend it together. But of course, that takes more independent thought and consideration, which people generally don't want to do. It's easier to merely submit to an expert and try to hold onto the illusion he's infallible.

Have people idolized JP too much? Yes. But is there still some usefulness in what he has to say? Yes.

Also, a little pragmatism should be in order before throwing JP under the bus.

Even though SJWs eat their own, they are currently the dominant force in the culture-war BY FAR. There's no way any positive movement will happen if red-pill breaks down into rigid small-tent factions with nobody wanting to extend support unless they match your ideology exactly. I know this sentiment runs counter to the direction of this forum has gone, but it's something to consider. This purity-test stuff is counter-productive.

Unfortunately the zealotry cuts both ways. Both detractors and supporters of Peterson are in large numbers hyper-fanatical and will defend/decry anything he has to say about anything. I know guys that support Peterson for his good stuff and are still reasonable enough to know that he's out of his element on other stuff. Anyone that tries to be all things to all men will fail. It's actually a great way to implode someone who's otherwise doing good in the world. Zoom in on their peripheral strengths and reward them for focusing on it until you inevitably cause them to trip over their own feet.

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(10-24-2019 02:33 PM)Roosh Wrote:  That is not a sound argument. Are you identical to him in all other ways? I am a man with a beard and am not influenced with demons, therefore other men with beards are also not possessed. Maybe it would have more weight if he was your twin.

If his family has a history of mental illness then chances are higher that he inherited it compared to being demonically influenced.

If you don't believe in demonic affliction then you're obviously not going to attribute his conditions to demonic affliction.

If you believe in demonic affliction then it's as plain as the nose on your face that he's tortured by it.

I didn't believe initially and now that I do I can successfully combat the majority of my inner turmoil, but if you asked me what my problem was a year ago I suppose I'd have to spend hundreds of hours in therapy to even make a dent in my emotional issues much less smash the majority of them, and I haven't even reached professional spiritual help yet.

Arguably even if I were spiritually delusional then I'm still way ahead of the game compared to non-believers.

Suffice to say if you want to do good in this world on the scale Peterson was attempting then you need God. Otherwise your works will be corrupted and/or you will be broken down by the forces of evil. Most large scale evil in the world is done by men with intentions to make right what they perceive to be wrong.

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
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(10-25-2019 02:44 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I know guys that support Peterson for his good stuff and are still reasonable enough to know that he's out of his element on other stuff. Anyone that tries to be all things to all men will fail. It's actually a great way to implode someone who's otherwise doing good in the world. Zoom in on their peripheral strengths and reward them for focusing on it until you inevitably cause them to trip over their own feet.

Pretty much /thread, until Jordan comes out with his next expansive bit of content.
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Just a random observation, but applies to Peterson as well... One of the worst things that could happen to you is fame, power and wealth. Those have the power to corrupt even the best of us.

I am not saying this happened to Peterson. I still think the biggest issue, at this point, is probably depression. He may have been caught up in the fame and started talking about things that he wasn't an expert on. In any case, I see people saying things like he was lying for money which is kind of crazy. It's like they can look into his soul and see his true intentions. If spirituality is important to you then I would suggest looking at your statements towards this man and see how you might be failing.
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Jordan Peterson is a big fan of myth and Jungian archetypes. Ancient stories hold great truths. Could Jordan Peterson be an archetype of a pop psychology guru?

   

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(10-25-2019 02:44 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  If you don't believe in demonic affliction then you're obviously not going to attribute his conditions to demonic affliction.

If you believe in demonic affliction then it's as plain as the nose on your face that he's tortured by it.

I didn't believe initially and now that I do I can successfully combat the majority of my inner turmoil, but if you asked me what my problem was a year ago I suppose I'd have to spend hundreds of hours in therapy to even make a dent in my emotional issues much less smash the majority of them, and I haven't even reached professional spiritual help yet.

Arguably even if I were spiritually delusional then I'm still way ahead of the game compared to non-believers.

Suffice to say if you want to do good in this world on the scale Peterson was attempting then you need God. Otherwise your works will be corrupted and/or you will be broken down by the forces of evil. Most large scale evil in the world is done by men with intentions to make right what they perceive to be wrong.

Okay, Leonard, get what you are saying. I still think this is at least partially a false dichotomy.

In a sense, it doesn't matter if you believe you are dealing with demons or mental illness so long as you are working in love to heal people.

If worldwidetraveler has battled depression and can recognize it in others and knows what helps, but doesn't define it spiritually, does that mean that God isn't working through him?

God is still working with all people, loves all people, wherever they are at spiritually, and helps them whether or not they give credit for their healing to him or not. He's just like that.

There are tons of people in healing professions, good people, who are dealing with these issues in a rubber meets the road, boots on the ground way, caring for their patients, looking for ways to help and heal them, who don't believe in Jesus.

Can you honestly say that Jesus isn't working through them? Also, haven't you ever met lip service Christians, very comfortable people, who would never work as a psychiatrist in a prison or a social worker in a welfare office, who smugly think, I've got God, I am better than all these sinners?

To a degree, the point is moot.

Coincidentally or not, I listened to this interview with a prison psychologist yesterday after reading posts on this thread. It is the same guy/different interview as the one I linked to in your thread about the spiritual nature of psych ailments and meds.

If you are interested, pick up this interview at about forty minutes in and listen for about twenty minutes.

He charts his slow conversion to the belief that the voices schizophrenics hear are actually demonic entities. On this journey, he has to fight the orthodoxy of his bosses, his own preconceptions, and most importantly, the denial apparatus of his own brain. It is a fascinating, chilling, eye opening account. Especially the part where a patient comes into his office and says the voices want to speak to him directly. Won't ruin the surprise of what they say, but it is as scary as anything in a horror movie.

https://deepstateconsciousness.podbean.c...marzinsky/

I still don't know whether or not this guy is even a Christian, and suspect he is not.

However, the risks both personal and professional he is willing to take to heal his patients is truly God's work, and many of these internet conversions pale in comparison to the real healing work he is doing.

I think the same about Peterson. He is building a life and work that is based on helping people, and all he is missing is the capstone of Jesus to make the structure less wobbly.

Internet Christians only have the capstone but think they have the whole building.

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I agree that his mental breakdown has to do with the contradiction between preaching the need for truth while obfuscating it. When he started, he was just railing against some narrow issues that bothered him, and I think he was truthful about it. As he rose to fame, he was asked to comment on so many more aspects of life, history, politics, philosophy and being a liberal at heart clearly felt the need to push a certain anti-right wing agenda. But he is not a stupid man, when people ask him about 200 years together or the identity politics for me but not for thee stuff he can obviously see what’s going on but either doesn’t want to admit it for what he sees as moral reasons or due to fear of losing his cash flow.
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^ Yes that exactly.

And the cherry on top seems to be the fear of nuclear annihilation if we "devolve into identity politics" because we're "too technologically powerful".

All those late Boomer/Early GenX dudes say this same thing. That it is unthinkable that we have a new world world or civil war because of nukes. I think these guys were traumatized by the cold war in their childhoods and never recovered.
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(10-25-2019 02:17 PM)christpuncher Wrote:  ^ Yes that exactly.

And the cherry on top seems to be the fear of nuclear annihilation if we "devolve into identity politics" because we're "too technologically powerful".

All those late Boomer/Early GenX dudes say this same thing. That it is unthinkable that we have a new world world or civil war because of nukes. I think these guys were traumatized by the cold war in their childhoods and never recovered.

As a genXer, the reason why nuclear war was unthinkable through the 1970s-80s was that there was a stable balance of power between the superpowers, and US foreign policy was run by relatively competent diplomats, as opposed to Trotskyite neocons like Victoria Nuland or John McCain with nobody to check their aggressive plans and a completely compliant gaslighting MSM. Sources like the NYT, CBC or BBC actually had decent journalistic standards a few decades ago.

War is no longer unthinkable now because a large segment of leftists have drank the Russia koolaid, they are pretty much joining up with the Israel Firster Fox neocon bots.

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(10-25-2019 01:02 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  ...

I think the same about Peterson. He is building a life and work that is based on helping people, and all he is missing is the capstone of Jesus to make the structure less wobbly.

Internet Christians only have the capstone but think they have the whole building.

Is a guy with an 8-figure net worth who is charging underemployed, rudderless young men $300 to watch him speak really that interested in helping out these guys?

To use your metaphor, Peterson not only lacks the capstone to that pyramid, but he also has its base built on a toxic swamp.

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I meant unthinkable as in "not willing to imagine that possibly because it's too horrific" not as in "unlikely to happen"

But yes, the war-fearing boomers/GenXers, like Peterson, are rightly identifying an increase in instability now, and their solution is to squelch identity politics and urge calm for as long as possible, so that they can hopefully be dead before the hot culture wars begin in earnest.
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Peterson can't be too wear-fearing/anti-war given his association to fellow "intellectual dark web" butt-buddy Ben Shapiro.
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(10-25-2019 03:06 PM)911 Wrote:  
(10-25-2019 01:02 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  ...

I think the same about Peterson. He is building a life and work that is based on helping people, and all he is missing is the capstone of Jesus to make the structure less wobbly.

Internet Christians only have the capstone but think they have the whole building.

Is a guy with an 8-figure net worth who is charging underemployed, rudderless young men $300 to watch him speak really that interested in helping out these guys?

To use your metaphor, Peterson not only lacks the capstone to that pyramid, but he also has its base built on a toxic swamp.

Mehville.

He didn't become famous till in his late fifties.

But let's not mention that.

Also, you can get all of his basic advice absolutely free on the internet.

Let's not mention that.

Also, he has helped his clinical patients, the businesses he consulted for, the grad students he mentored, and the undergrads he taught for decades during which no one really ever heard of him.

Definitely not mention that.

Honestly 911, you usually come up with better material than this.

Swampy logic is all that can be seen here.

Edit. By the way I misspoke. I didn't mean capstone, I meant keystone.

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(10-25-2019 03:44 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  
(10-25-2019 03:06 PM)911 Wrote:  
(10-25-2019 01:02 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  ...

I think the same about Peterson. He is building a life and work that is based on helping people, and all he is missing is the capstone of Jesus to make the structure less wobbly.

Internet Christians only have the capstone but think they have the whole building.

Is a guy with an 8-figure net worth who is charging underemployed, rudderless young men $300 to watch him speak really that interested in helping out these guys?

To use your metaphor, Peterson not only lacks the capstone to that pyramid, but he also has its base built on a toxic swamp.

Mehville.

He didn't become famous till in his late fifties.

But let's not mention that.

Also, you can get all of his basic advice absolutely free on the internet.

Let's not mention that.

Also, he has helped his clinical patients, the businesses he consulted for, the grad students he mentored, and the undergrads he taught for decades during which no one really ever heard of him.

Definitely not mention that.

Honestly 911, you usually come up with better material than this.

Swampy logic is all that can be seen here.


DBG, I love you man, but we're going to fundamentally disagree here, because we have a fundamentally different view on what constitutes good advice.

This is not about logic, it's about logos. You're not going to find it in some Cascadian ashram studying Jung or reading Siddhartha, you will instead find it by accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior, and by getting married and building a strong family.

None of the clinical patients, the businesses he consulted for, the grad students he mentored, and the undergrads he taught for decades received that kind of straightforward advice from Jordan Peterson. What they got instead was fuzzy new age self improvement platitudes from a highly unstable, drugged out greedy guy who is incapable of being a good father or holding a family together.

At the risk of being preachy, you would benefit from finding a good woman in her late 30s who is seeing the light and is eager to form a family, as opposed to going on a Boomer quest for "enlightenment"... More Owen Benjamin, less Jordan Peterson.

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(10-25-2019 04:20 PM)911 Wrote:  DBG, I love you man, but we're going to fundamentally disagree here, because we have a fundamentally different view on what constitutes good advice.

I imagine you and I also disagree on that subject.

Quote:This is not about logic, it's about logos. You're not going to find it in some Cascadian ashram studying Jung or reading Siddhartha, you will instead find it by accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior, and by getting married and building a strong family.

Are you talking about debeguiled or someone else? Does someone go to hell for not having a family now?

This sounds more like someone who is using religion to push their worldview instead of accepting the love of God. Accepting Jesus isn't enough, you have to get married and build a family otherwise you aren't doing it right. That isn't the way it works 911.

Quote:None of the clinical patients, the businesses he consulted for, the grad students he mentored, and the undergradsp he taught for decades received that kind of straightforward advice from Jordan Peterson. What they got instead was fuzzy new age self improvement platitudes from a highly unstable, drugged out greedy guy who is incapable of being a good father or holding a family together.

How do you know this?

Quote:At the risk of being preachy, you would benefit from finding a good woman in her late 30s who is seeing the light and is eager to form a family, as opposed to going on a Boomer quest for "enlightenment"... More Owen Benjamin, less Jordan Peterson.

Starting a family with a late 30's woman? Careful debeguiled, this sounds like a trap. Something tells me debeguiled is exactly where he should be.
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The first Peterson video I watched something he said when answering a question of why he suddenly became outspoken stuck with me and I new to be wary of this guy. He felt called to action because he was worried radical leftism left unchecked may cause people to move to the right.

Basically he was afraid the masses may wake up if they move too aggressively. He has taken it upon himself to gatekeep and continue the slow boil.
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(10-25-2019 04:36 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  
Quote:None of the clinical patients, the businesses he consulted for, the grad students he mentored, and the undergrads he taught for decades received that kind of straightforward advice from Jordan Peterson. What they got instead was fuzzy new age self improvement platitudes from a highly unstable, drugged out greedy guy who is incapable of being a good father or holding a family together.

How do you know this?

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Quote:This sounds more like someone who is using religion to push their worldview instead of accepting the love of God. Accepting Jesus isn't enough, you have to get married and build a family otherwise you aren't doing it right. That isn't the way it works 911.

Be fruitful and multiply (Genesis 1:28)

Don't be a fruit and blow a guy (Big Bear $0.05).


Quote:Starting a family with a late 30's woman? Careful debeguiled, this sounds like a trap.

A woman in her late 30s is the right call for a guy in his mid 50s. The alternative is growing old on your own, riding an increasingly creaky carousel or indulging in MGTOW faggotry.

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10-25-2019 04:55 PM
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You're cherry picking your own post. lol

You forgot...
Quote:None of the clinical patients, the businesses he consulted for, the grad students he mentored, and the undergrads he taught for decades received that kind of straightforward advice from Jordan Peterson. What they got instead was fuzzy new age self improvement platitudes from a highly unstable, drugged out greedy guy

Quote:Be fruitful and multiply (Genesis 1:28)

Ah a single (not even the full quote) Bible quote to support your worldview. Never saw that before.

Quote:A woman in her late 30s is the right call for a guy in his mid 50s. The alternative is growing old on your own, riding an increasingly creaky carousel or indulging in MGTOW faggotry.

But he isn't alone. If you felt God's love you would know it.
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10-25-2019 05:00 PM
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(10-25-2019 01:02 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  In a sense, it doesn't matter if you believe you are dealing with demons or mental illness so long as you are working in love to heal people.

This goes back to a topic I unsuccessfully tried to discuss with Leonard. How reality isn't a black and white thing. We may agree on the simple things like jumping off a building is going to hurt. Most everything else will be shades of grey. Like someone seeing a person dealing with demons while another sees a mental illness.

We see this in all parts of society. People beating others because they think they are stopping the next Hitler. They think they are saving people. We see it as fascism.

The reason I mention this is because we get to decide how we feel about these people. We can hate them for all of the pain they cause or we can try and see the humanity in them and not allow ourselves to hate. It doesn't mean we agree with them or won't fight back for what we believe is a better society. We can do that without allowing hate to enter into our hearts.

Peterson makes a lot of money and people automatically assume he is doing what he does for that reason. You have to wonder why he got into psychology to begin with. Maybe he had issues from the beginning and wanted to learn more about what was happening to himself. Maybe he wanted to help others with the same problems. I think we all have it within ourselves to want to help others. We want to spare others the same pain that we have endured. That is God speaking through us.

We can decide what reality we build. Some build the reality that Peterson is a terrible, drug addicted, greedy guy who kicks puppies. Some see him as a savior. Others see him as a human being that has weaknesses just like the rest of us.
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10-25-2019 06:10 PM
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Christians don’t have to marry - and in fact the Bible specifically says not to seek a spouse if you’re able to handle celibacy - but I agree with 911’s other points.

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My post was obviously worded poorly.

I wasn't claiming that he's definitely afflicted by demons, just that people will tend to diagnose within their own life experience.

Unless you're open to both possibilities then you're going to get it wrong a lot of the time. I'm sure there are lots of people living far north/south who suffer perfectly clinical depression when the sun goes away for 6 months.

But other people are straight up hounded by servants of satan.

Based on Peterson's decline after he started on the "little-g-god" stuff I'm betting on demons but I'm also self aware enough to assume some level of bias.

No reason it can't be both causes either.
10-26-2019 12:29 AM
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