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Peterson should be telling his daughter "you're on track to inherit millions of dollars and I'm willing to give you a 6 figure allowance if you just put your fucking clothes back on and don't do anything you wouldn't do in a church."

A more cynical and suspicious man would suggest that he's not allowed to hamstring her degeneracy, so sayeth the handlers.

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11-30-2018 11:27 AM
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I listened to the first 45 mins of the latest Rogan one. I don't think he's a bad guy or anything like that, I'm just bored of him. He has a hollywood agent, I don't know why they aren't advising him like they advise top actors... "stay out of the limelight for 12-18 months or risk overexposure."

Maybe he just wants to get as much dough as he can and then bow out. I genuinely don't know, and nobody here can claim to know either. I for one believe Tom Hardy's career suffered from overexposure—people get sick of seeing you after a while. Leonardo DiCaprio handles it perfect, a really good film once every few years but apart from that you barely hear from him.

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(11-30-2018 09:50 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  But I wouldn't necessarily put that off on JP. You do what you can as a parent in today's crazy world and the rest is out of your hands. Get your house in order ≠ take responsibility for all of your grown kids' behavior.

I think JP is already very happy and grateful that she's still alive.
If nature had her way and without modern medicine, it's very possible that his daughter would have died a long time ago.

Instead of dying she's reasonably healthy now, got married (to a Russian guy actually) in her mid 20s, and became a mother with 27.
Now she's even building her own business, and while it's obviously based on JP's success and brand, it still takes some effort and initiative.

From the point of view of a father, that's not a bad outcome at all.
Realistically speaking it's all you should expect from a daughter.
Stay sane, marry a decent man, have children.
Could be a lot worse.
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Quote:(If we had to go Myers-Briggs, whilst there's likely a bunch of sociopaths amongst cops and career military officers, I'd suggest most are ISTJ - society's watchmen, the guys who assume an order or structure to civilisation and orient to making sure it continues. Lawful Neutral, if you will. Where the cops are former criminals or scum from their ethnic neighbourhoods, they are still believing in a certain hierarchical order to things, believing that police are Authority and therefore they can do best for themselves and/or their communities by turning particular cogs in Authority to "serve their communities".)

Partially correct: https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a401567.pdf

It's as much Es as Is.

The reason for the success of these personality types in the military and in corporate management roles is fairly well understood: they are people who seek to maintain and create order in their environments. They generally believe in hierarchy, structure, and would rate highly on the "Conscientiousness" personality trait.

I'm going to make one assumption without clear evidence in this post: the best players are also the best marketers because both abilities are ones that depend on the ability to conceptualize, crystallize, and then communicate a brand. Many of us can anecdotally vouch for this. Doing that to some extent requires not a mindset of imposing structure, but on manipulating chaos to your own advantage.
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(11-30-2018 11:27 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Peterson should be telling his daughter "you're on track to inherit millions of dollars and I'm willing to give you a 6 figure allowance if you just put your fucking clothes back on and don't do anything you wouldn't do in a church."

A more cynical and suspicious man would suggest that he's not allowed to hamstring her degeneracy, so sayeth the handlers.

Does anyone know anything about his son, does he have any kind of public presence? I wonder about that. In another thread someone pointed out that boomer dads shunned their sons in favor of building up their daughters. I wonder if that's what happened here? If deep down JP just wants to see his daughter famous and happy then her e-whoring is a logical choice.

I often wonder about boomer dads' motivation in disinheriting their own sons while worshipping their daughters. The short answer seems to be, having grown up watching their own dads be abusive assholes, but then men have been through that all throughout history. I think the x-factor is the comfort and excess that have allowed men to sustain this delusion, the idea that their lovely beautiful daughters are fit to take the throne. A dose of socio-economic-political reality would give them the reality check they need, but they have avoided this by accident of birth.
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It is amazing how grating it is to listen to this guy, strangely so in fact.

There are at least two basic reasons I was never able to have any sustained interest in him:

- He is completely humorless. You might argue that such a virtue doesn’t matter in his type of discussions, but it actually matters a great deal. A man needs an ability to pique interest and drive home a point through humor or near-humor. Simply, you need something in the tank to connect with people. Jordan Peterson is unlikeable even when I agree with him- that is a feat!

- It is virtually impossible to take someone with his silly accent seriously, or feel the necessary weight from his words. His is almost parody level. There has never been a single man of cultural relevance with that accent, and for good reason. That’s just the way it is.

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(11-30-2018 02:29 PM)Teedub Wrote:  I listened to the first 45 mins of the latest Rogan one. I don't think he's a bad guy or anything like that, I'm just bored of him. He has a hollywood agent, I don't know why they aren't advising him like they advise top actors... "stay out of the limelight for 12-18 months or risk overexposure."

Maybe he just wants to get as much dough as he can and then bow out. I genuinely don't know, and nobody here can claim to know either. I for one believe Tom Hardy's career suffered from overexposure—people get sick of seeing you after a while. Leonardo DiCaprio handles it perfect, a really good film once every few years but apart from that you barely hear from him.

That's exactly my impression. I think he should spend some time out of the spotlight (maybe researching some of the best criticism of his points and adapting his own positions appropriately).
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Owen Benjamin's rant on Jordan Peterson.

"Jordan Peterson's Hollywood Handlers Exposed (CAA Owen Benjamin) - Corpus Mentis"
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If you're actually interested in real thought-provoking conversation (instead of being like every other basic idiot focused on conspiracy theories about JP), here's a great one.




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(12-04-2018 09:29 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  It is amazing how grating it is to listen to this guy, strangely so in fact.

There are at least two basic reasons I was never able to have any sustained interest in him:

- He is completely humorless. You might argue that such a virtue doesn’t matter in his type of discussions, but it actually matters a great deal. A man needs an ability to pique interest and drive home a point through humor or near-humor. Simply, you need something in the tank to connect with people. Jordan Peterson is unlikeable even when I agree with him- that is a feat!

- It is virtually impossible to take someone with his silly accent seriously, or feel the necessary weight from his words. His is almost parody level. There has never been a single man of cultural relevance with that accent, and for good reason. That’s just the way it is.

That is true indeed. Some guys have humor in their voice, some do jokes even on the most dire subjects - then albeit in a black humor nature. Whenever I did a talk or presentation on any subject - even one that is dark and had children dying in it - I added my black humor to it, because it's how some people add focal points and some attitude to a bleak or dry subject. Plus - you tend to remember it better.

I saw Peterson laugh maybe 2 times - he is a dour man indeed. And if he was more intellectually honest then this could be forgiven, but he isn't.
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Weird to have a guy who can't even properly raise his daughter lead a discussion about making the world a better place.

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(12-16-2018 02:14 PM)911 Wrote:  Weird to have a guy who can't even properly raise his daughter lead a discussion about making the world a better place.

Rush Limbaugh was the one who got the ball rolling with going after the kids of people he hated.

Said Jimmy Carter's daughter was ugly.

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I don't really hate Peterson, just the idea that he's being held up as some kind of a guru for young lost souls, when his own daughter didn't turn out very well. In this context, it's pretty relevant to point out his shortfalls as a parent.

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