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Can't he just take a few months off? He can keep doing livestreams, even, just knock off the travel and public appearances and focus on personal well-being.
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(02-09-2020 10:44 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  But they wouldn't even start the journey without a milder sort to ease them into it.

It's super important to remember this. The purity spiraling you see in alternative communities is so counter-productive. Focus on effectiveness and progress, don't expect masses of people to go from 0 to 100 overnight.
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(02-09-2020 10:44 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  ...
Has anyone come to Christ through Owen or Vox?
...

Excusez moi!?

One goes through Christ to get to Vox.

NOT the other way around.

Show some bloody respect. Whip

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(02-09-2020 10:44 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  God works in mysterious ways.

There are many accounts of people coming to Christ through JP - because he is so superficial it actually got the foot in the door for people who wouldn't dare thread deeper initially. And these people usually go way beyond JP - they actually become Christians. I also know some guys that had the basic bitch atheist mindset starting to doubt this, and giving Christianity another look, because of JP. They might be on the way as well to something more.

Has anyone come to Christ through Owen or Vox?

Bear in mind I sympathize with Owen and have expressed it in the past, particularly because of the lifestyle he chose - but I doubt, even adjusting for audience size, he has had such an influence as JP has. And Vox I can imagine him actually turning people away from Christ due to his prideful attitude. He is the classic example of nominal Christian without any charity, which leads people on the outside away from Christianity because of the sheer hypocrisy of his beliefs versus his actions.

It's like that phenomenon when you are starved, you can't gorge on food as long as it's available. You have to go slow or you will just vomit it out. Start with a cracker. JP is a cracker for a western population completely starved of logos. Not many people stay in the JP stage. Most go beyond. But they wouldn't even start the journey without a milder sort to ease them into it.

I disagree with the bold part, most don't go beyond, his pitch is carefully calibrated to ensure that they don't.

I see Peterson more like the sport fisherman who is giving the hooked tuna some slack, loosening the fishing line in order to keep it from breaking. The fish will feel free, but he will still be on the hook...

Peterson peddles a hollow, suspect gnostic Christian word salad that's completely devoid of the Christian lifestyle and right message to young men: that they should start families and look to their communities, parishes and nation for support and belonging. He tells instead that their communities are dangerous, and that they should take their Soma pills, keeping them in the atomized individualistic globalist plantation.

As well, Peterson earned his stripes about 5 years ago by going after the trans pronoun problem in academia. Since them, that problem has gotten much worse, with laws now in place criminalizing dissent, whereas in the recent past the risk was mainly about getting blackballed and socially ostracized, it's now officially a criminal offense to "misgender" someone. JP hasn't done much about it, he's stayed on the shallow side of the pool after briefly wading in the deep side 5 years ago.


There actually are a lot of people who have been changed by Owen's stream, not just accepting Christ, but being shown the right lifestyle, leading by example. He did have a definite influence on his admittedly much smaller audience. He doesn't get to go on the BBC or CBC, and can't even book normal venues for a tour. He does turn off people with his ego and personal issues, but overall he's doing Christ's work, and doing it well.

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Hope he gets better.

“That sig BTW is a very asinine anti-family anti-parent quote. You live in a country where 40% of children grow up without a biological father, yet somehow “the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents”? Sorry but this is fruity Boomer nonsense.”

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There are some people who become either more religious or become more-right-wing after ingesting JP. But he himself boasted multiple times proudly that he prevented the right-shift of Whites towards more real nationalist goals. That was the reason for the globalist promotion of his despite him opposing the leftie-crazies. The elite works in a Heglian dialectic giving you two sides to argue about, but they command both sides and end up moving society into the middle.
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(02-09-2020 09:28 AM)Batman_ Wrote:  
(02-09-2020 02:47 AM)Sherman Wrote:  Here is a video of Jordan Peterson saying Mindfulness Meditation is a fad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foFYC0AFf10

But it is a fad. Most people are not taught how meditate properly, they remain are disillusioned by dualism, don't understand what purpose meditation serves nor do they know how to do it with the right intentionality. Most people are just wasting their time sitting down thinking with their eyes closed. The popularity of mindfulness has ruined it in some way because there are far too many "gurus" (especially yoga instructors) who have NO IDEA what they're talking about and spread misinformation.

Meditation is not a fad. There have been too many scientific studies now that show its effectiveness. It is here to stay. Jordan Peterson’s response was flippant, shallow, and arrogant. He demonstrated the most shallow familiarity with the subject. First, he talks about the introduction of meditation into the West as being a fad. He doesn’t seem to have any knowledge that the West has its own form of meditation that was practiced by the Desert fathers (see previous post). There has always been a Western meditation practice.

It’s interesting that Jordan decided to go to Russia to get natural remedies to save himself, which are unavailable in the US because they are prohibited by Big Pharma. But when he recovers he will still peddle the same poison to his deluded followers.

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Jordan has encouraged people to have kids plenty of times. He often emphasized the deep meaning of taking care of an infant and the women's biological imperative. He also conceded multiple times that diversity is not a strength, recently on his conversation with Steven Pinker.

Really, the only real downside is when he criticizes identity politics, even though we know (((who))) is very fond of them. The video where he was pushed on the other Solzhenitzyn book and hid completely was really powerful and made me ask myself some new questions. But the rest is a lot of stoic advise which I can only see as a positive in every day life.

The people that dislike him by default forget that politics and Christianity is not all that he talks about.
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I've never paid much attention to JP. My favorite blogger (alfinnextlevel) seems to like him, but also recognizes JP's limitations. Much of what JP used to talk about was just plain common sense to me. So, I never view him as anything special.

However, JP lost me when, having been confirmed by the Senate, he called on Brett Kavanaugh to resign from SCOTUS over the utterly bogus Ford accusations. This convinced me JP was a bit of a "soft egg".

Having said that, Vox seems to have a real bug up his ass over JP, far beyond anything like the latter's support for the Ford accusations against Kavanaugh. Vox's haterd of JP borders on irrational. I do not understand it and I think we just chalk it up to Vox's mercurial personality.

BTW, Vox does seem more mercurial these days.
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Vox' takedown of JP is actually pretty good, it's quite rational and well-constructed, not petty at all. He's a better, more articulate writer than a vlogger/host, and it shows in pieces like the ones he did on JP.

The best analysis of JP however is by this Canadian Youtuber:




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(02-09-2020 07:50 AM)911 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 10:17 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Peterson has not been doing so well:





Owen Benjamin just chimed in yesterday on Jordan Peterson and his daughter's message:

https://youtu.be/6psaZ7L-aeg?t=3672
owen is absolutely reveling in the sadness and hardships that have befallen the Peterson family. He can barely hold back his excitement. Claiming the family is lying about JP's wife having cancer? The daughter referring to JP as "dad" instead of "my dad" is a sign of mental problems in owen's world.

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Owen Benjamin is another mercurial personality I pay no attention to.
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(02-09-2020 04:50 PM)la bodhisattva Wrote:  
(02-09-2020 07:50 AM)911 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 10:17 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Peterson has not been doing so well:





Owen Benjamin just chimed in yesterday on Jordan Peterson and his daughter's message:

https://youtu.be/6psaZ7L-aeg?t=3672
owen is absolutely reveling in the sadness and hardships that have befallen the Peterson family. He can barely hold back his excitement.

A lot of people are.

“That sig BTW is a very asinine anti-family anti-parent quote. You live in a country where 40% of children grow up without a biological father, yet somehow “the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents”? Sorry but this is fruity Boomer nonsense.”

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For what it's worth, I figured I would chime in here since I have had 3 personal Skype calls with JP back in 2017 when he was still doing psychoanalysis.

I asked him a lot of questions regarding depression, issues with my Dad, career, and female relationships.

The guy gave me solid advice. Nothing ground breaking but a few of the things he told me were useful to this day, especially about continuing on with my entrepreneurial activities instead of going back to Uni. "Uni will always be there in case you want to go back."

He also gave me decent advice on finding a girlfriend and getting rid of approach anxiety. I still have the notes somewhere in my drive.

Again, nothing groundbreaking but he did a good job as a therapist.

There was nothing political at all about our conversation, just straight forward therapy and working through problems.

He gave me specific strategies and tactics to work through the problems I was facing. Not just fluff by any means.

I have tried for a while now to understand why he is so hated. The video above does indeed show some of his hypocrisy. However I am not completely sold he's evil. Anyway I don't spend a lot of time thinking about it or researching it so I wouldn't say my views on this are educated.
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(02-10-2020 08:26 PM)thedream Wrote:  I have tried for a while now to understand why he is so hated. The video above does indeed show some of his hypocrisy. However I am not completely sold he's evil. Anyway I don't spend a lot of time thinking about it or researching it so I wouldn't say my views on this are educated.

Because he acknowledges the importance of Solzhenitsyn, but ignores his most important work.

I don't think he's evil. But he's orchestrating a future where we're defeated.

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Anyone who spends a majority of their time in the freudian cuckooland is bound to end up with a flurry of long term mental disorders themselves at best, and a few nervous breakdowns at least. He should know that benzo's don't cure anything, none of that shit works. All of this psychobabble was set in motion to replace a community's connection with their Church elders, who, being respectable men of God, would counsel someone on better solutions than "express your feelings".

Fuck JP, he's an agent of the dialectic, I can tell from his wee beady little eyes alone, don't even need to hear him talk. It's time to cut loose all ties to agents of the beast, whether active or passive.

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(02-10-2020 08:26 PM)thedream Wrote:  For what it's worth, I figured I would chime in here since I have had 3 personal Skype calls with JP back in 2017 when he was still doing psychoanalysis.

I asked him a lot of questions regarding depression, issues with my Dad, career, and female relationships.

The guy gave me solid advice. Nothing ground breaking but a few of the things he told me were useful to this day, especially about continuing on with my entrepreneurial activities instead of going back to Uni. "Uni will always be there in case you want to go back."

He also gave me decent advice on finding a girlfriend and getting rid of approach anxiety. I still have the notes somewhere in my drive.

Again, nothing groundbreaking but he did a good job as a therapist.

There was nothing political at all about our conversation, just straight forward therapy and working through problems.

He gave me specific strategies and tactics to work through the problems I was facing. Not just fluff by any means.

I have tried for a while now to understand why he is so hated. The video above does indeed show some of his hypocrisy. However I am not completely sold he's evil. Anyway I don't spend a lot of time thinking about it or researching it so I wouldn't say my views on this are educated.

I listened to him when he made the first Bill C-16 video in 2016, I watched tons of videos on him, read his book, and listened to his podcasts. My thoughts:

Positives:
+Some of his advice is good. I benefited from advice like treating yourself like someone you are responsible for caring for, stand up straight, eat a large breakfast, and lifting weights. It does not matter to me if some of this is common sense and he just popularized it. He motivated me to improve my life and I am grateful for that.

+He publicly pushed back against some of the far-left nonsense in society. For example, he talked at length about personality differences between men and women at a time when feminism is at an all-time high. I think there are important aspects of women he does not understand, but he has helped me understand them better.

+He encourages people to write about their concerns because writing is a way or organizing your thoughts.

+He promoted "Past Authoring" and "Future Authoring," which is basically just writing about your past, what you want in the future, steps to getting there, and what can happen if you don't take those steps. Again, it's a way of organizing your thoughts. He said no one ever asks this of young people, so he gave the program to high school students. I wish he had stayed focused on these kinds of projects.

+He had some interesting guests on his podcast, talking about topics I had never heard about.

Negatives: (I don't want to be kicking a man when he's down. I hope he recovers, and gets healthy. I'm just criticizing his ideas, especially ones that I think are harmful to follow.)

-Some of his advice is unbelievably awful. One of his central tenants is "Get your house in perfect order before you criticize the world." He was literally flying around the world, criticizing it left and right. His house obviously was not in perfect order. He says be precise in your speech, so when he says "perfect," I believe he means as close to perfect as humanly possibly. I understand if you have serious problems, like unemployment, you should not be protesting global warming on the street corner. You should be focusing on practical solutions to your problem like applying for jobs or attending college. But he never explained the idea in that way.

-Hubris. This relates to the above point. Like Icarus, he flew too close to the sun and his wings melted. I think the massive affection he received did more harm to him than the hate.

-He never spoke out against how people had an unhealthy idolization of him. He can't control people, but he never spoke out against it. Maybe he liked it too much. Bob Dylan was once asked how he deals with fans screaming his name every night at shows. He said he doesn't need to get his love from the audience because he gets it from his family.

-He overexposed himself. He was repeating himself like a broken record. Jordan should have operated more like a band who releases an album, does lots of press, tours, then steps back for the next year or two to work on the next album. They might play a show here or there, do an occasional interview, but mostly they're not in the spotlight. I definitely would not take his advice to work yourself to death.

-He has a million professional photos of him. I think this is my point that most people will find the weakest because they are so used to seeing millions of photos of famous people, but I think the Amish are correct in saying photography leads to vanity. I don't think we can or even should eliminate all photographs of people. I just think they should be kept to a minimum. I don't think it's healthy to pose for all those photos. He also looks like he's trying to imitate a serious philosopher from the past. Again, hubris.

-His name is attached to a sketchy MBA program at a school called Acton. Some people say it's fine, and some people say it's a scam. There are lots of posts about it on his Reddit page. He originally said he wanted to start a university that was affordable and would cut through the nonsense in the university system, but instead affixed his name to a sketchy MBA program that costs $65,000.

-The ultimate criticism is that he offers parenting advice in his book and presents himself as a father figure, but his daughter is really messed up, and causing harm to his granddaughter. She's a divorced single mom of a 3-sh year old girl who has now chosen to date a pimp/pornographer. That is the man she has chosen to potentially be the father of her daughter.



My conclusion is he offered some very useful advice which helped me immensely, and he gave a much needed push against the far-left. However, he also offers terrible advice, was unable to raise his daughter well, and has massive hubris. Don't throw away his good advice, but don't idolize him and think he can do no wrong.
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^ What I find annoying is that most people either seem to love or hate Peterson. There were things he said from the very beginning that I didn't really agree with but that's just how it goes with anyone. The trick is simply to think for yourself and take information here and there from various sources and compile your own framework over time as you test and analyze ideas.

That said, he did have a lot of good ideas, especially from a traditional/conservative perspective, which is something many younger generations have never been exposed to. I think the most helpful thing he talks about is adopting responsibility and finding meaning through purposeful action, and his notion that meaning is a real phenomenon (rather than a pointless illusion as the post-modern nihilistic types would claim) is fairly profound.

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I’m being told by someone very close with the family that Peterson has thrown away all the Leninist and demonic imagery in his house, and that his wife has put an icon of St. Michael the Archangel on the walls instead. Apparently she made big leaps towards conversion during her time in the hospital, and there is an effort underway to get Jordan to an exorcist while he’s in Moscow. Pray that this path is seen through to the end, hope is not lost while the man still breathes.

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(02-09-2020 02:45 PM)Sherman Wrote:  Meditation is not a fad. There have been too many scientific studies now that show its effectiveness. It is here to stay.

I wasn't saying it wasn't effective or well studied. It does work and it's a very powerful tool and force multiplier for your life. But my point was simply that fads tend to ruin things because they become watered down for the masses.

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(02-10-2020 10:13 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  I’m being told by someone very close with the family that Peterson has thrown away all the Leninist and demonic imagery in his house, and that his wife has put an icon of St. Michael the Archangel on the walls instead. Apparently she made big leaps towards conversion during her time in the hospital, and there is an effort underway to get Jordan to an exorcist while he’s in Moscow. Pray that this path is seen through to the end, hope is not lost while the man still breathes.

Big if true.

And if true then I hope the Orthodox priests of the West have been eating their Wheeties because they're about to be hit by a tidal wave of Zoomers.

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(02-10-2020 10:13 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  I’m being told by someone very close with the family that Peterson has thrown away all the Leninist and demonic imagery in his house, and that his wife has put an icon of St. Michael the Archangel on the walls instead. Apparently she made big leaps towards conversion during her time in the hospital, and there is an effort underway to get Jordan to an exorcist while he’s in Moscow. Pray that this path is seen through to the end, hope is not lost while the man still breathes.

Big if true.

And if true then I hope the Orthodox priests of the West have been eating their Wheeties because they're about to be hit by a tidal wave of Zoomers.


Expect a huge rise of Orthodox and Catholics converts very soon.

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(02-11-2020 01:34 AM)pitbullowner Wrote:  Rockstar Sunday Hillsong-esqueJesus concerts are on their way out

Yet another thing which always made me think that the US were on their own planet .. Smile
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RE: The Jordan Peterson thread
Peterson's ideology has long been unmasked as the radical individualism of the Fabian Society - the wolves in sheep clothing (their real logo - look it up).

But Peterson contrary to some other Fabians actually believes in it. He has been fully indoctrinated in it. Collective social cohesion for everyone except Whites and the West. That bloke is what the elite want you to have on the furthest side on the right - him and Ben Shapiro as well as the ever shifting cuckservatives.

Still - I wish him well, because I don't think that he is very high on the globalist machine ladder. Also I might add - cancer is very often misdiagnosed - in some cancers up to 20-30% (breast cancer for example). So his wife may have had the scare which turned out false - often they manage to blast the person with chemo despite the woman not having cancer. But she will more likely get it then and they get to shore up their crappy stats with all those false positives.

No one should take pleasure in man's suffering. Peterson is certainly not an evil participant in the globalist machine. He is a true believer and has likely scores of mental issues.
02-11-2020 10:21 AM
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RE: The Jordan Peterson thread
(02-10-2020 09:55 PM)Lazuli Waves Wrote:  -The ultimate criticism is that he offers parenting advice in his book and presents himself as a father figure, but his daughter is really messed up, and causing harm to his granddaughter. She's a divorced single mom of a 3-sh year old girl who has now chosen to date a pimp/pornographer. That is the man she has chosen to potentially be the father of her daughter.

I had to look this up. So Mikhaela divorced hubby and is now supposedly dating Andrew Tate. If you don't know who Andrew Tate is, he's the latest Christian McQueen look-a-like snake oil salesman selling e-courses on how to making millions on pimping out girls for webcamming.

There's also a massive irony with Andrew Tate bragging up about how many hot women he can get with, only to supposedly get with a divorced single mom. Guess you really can't escape being trash and attracting other trash.

ClownWorld indeed.

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