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(Maybe the Weinstein "make sure you shake my hand" was more of a "hey make sure you say hi to me at the event!" which would not really be anything untoward)
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(06-26-2018 08:39 AM)Icarus Wrote:  
(06-26-2018 07:41 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  ^ No. The Gamma is the one pissing on his own hand.

I don't see anything alpha about demanding that a semi-famous actor shake one's hand at a charity event. Reeks of approval-seeking. It is one thing to seek the endorsement of superiors, it is another to seek the endorsement of inferiors.

Weinstein is a classic gamma according to your very own definition in past posts on this thread. Someone who seeks power over others in order to exact revenge on the world that rejected him in his formative years. Compare that to Bill Clinton, who is charismatic to the point of extracting others' submission without coercion.

You're not getting it. A gamma is a man who attempts to acts like a King in front of other Alphas, Betas, Deltas and Sigmas, and no-one pays their self-delusion any attention whatsoever. It's only the Omegas who can mistake them for Alphas, and Hollywood isn't them. The formative experiences of a man like Weinstein don't matter - what caused his lust for power - if the end result is Genuine Power, then he became an Alpha.

If no-one is going to stand up to them, then they're the Alpha. If they tell people what to do, and people obey without hesitation, then they're the Alpha. If people cover for their crimes out of fear of retribution due to the power differential, then they're the Alpha. If no-one dares to punch them in the face, then they're the Alpha. Their power is real.

Make sense?

Weinstein was an observable King of Hollywood, no matter how toxic his behaviour was, because there's plenty of Toxic Alphas out there. The Gamma is the one pointing out that, no, he was the Real King all along, usually when they the King has been dethroned.

You can guess at Weinstein all we want, but we can KNOW Perlman is Gamma, because he just clearly told us. Straight from the Gamma's mouth. It doesn't matter what characters he's pretended to be in his movies, this is who he actually is behind the mask: a man who pisses on his own hand rather than confront the alpha about his behaviour, and thinks he's 'shown' him.

Of course Clinton extracted others submission via coercion, usually by blackmail, favours and murder, long before he became President. There's reams of history showing just how terrified people were of him and his wife, even back in the Arkansas days.
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I don't want to keep spamming up the thread, however my experience with my Dad recently was just too hilarious, mind-boggling and ridiculous not to share.

The backstory: I was having a laughing/giggling fit with my friend I was messaging to online about a group chat. It was an inside joke about "winner's mindset"- something he goes on and on about basically trying to always think positive and downplay the negative(to the extent of delusion- because he'd get mildly "triggered" by "complaining"- even if only 10-20% of what I say is negative), then calls it winner's mindset. I've turned it around for the ridiculousness it is and when I thought a lot about it I was laughing really hard.

When my dad heard me as I was walking around the kitchen as he was, he then said the predictable thing "you're not teasing anyone, are you?" with the subtle accusatory, but "naughty" tone. Almost like shaming but faux-positive. I don't know how to describe it exactly. This time I was feeling extra-positive and shitlordy so I decided to call him out on it and stir a little shit too. I think I instinctively projected that he would respond rationally also(at least- somewhat), given that I believe I would.

So I said- "You do realise most people- well, since dysfunction is so common, I guess, most well-adjusted people- don't actually enjoy teasing other people all that much? I'd imagine in well-adjusted people about 20% of the total pleasure/laughter people get actually comes from that. So if you keep asking people that question they are probably going to think something's up, since you should assume they aren't teasing anyone". From then on, his tone got relatively intense and accusatory, though I think he had enough of a handle on his emotions that he suppresses his anger(I believe he's virtually always angry- but hides it). It's sort of a defensive tone. "Where did you get that number?" "The exact number 20% isn't important, it's just that it's roughly that-" "How do you KNOW it's that" "In my case it's 20%-" "Oh it's just you then but clearly you have no friends and you don't know people but I do and so you don't know what you're saying". <--- That really threw me for a loop, historically I thought he said that in good faith, but reading AC I'm realising more and more it's subconsciously intentional to try to demoralise me, which historically worked, and I think would work for most people.

"Have you thought about the fact that most of the people you know, who find teasing 20% of less of the total things they find funny, have self-selected to avoid you, thus you don't know about them?" "That's ONE possibility" "Well, it's a really likely possibility, given how teasing people is actually rather boring" "It's boring FOR YOU, but I don't like how you're so confident about ONE POSSIBILITY"(him getting visibly upset, but still keeping in control) "Well, you can believe what you want to believe, but"(I mean, given he's 40 years older than me) "That's what I'm saying(it isn't what he was saying), but you can't be so confident about something that only applies to you" "I don't care what you believe, believe what you want" "That's what I'm saying(again, it isn't what he was saying), that it's ONE possibility, there's no need to get so upset"

Now here's the interesting bit. Historically this sort of discussion was heated. I sort of now realise it was him(or in some cases, Mum) who made it heated. So often, me or my sisters(or Mum) WOULD get upset. But in this case, I wasn't, I was actually still in a laughing mood. So basically, he tried to "flip things around" by accusing me of being upset. Naturally, I called him out on it. "I'm not upset, I'm actually laughing really hard" "There's no need to deny it" "I mean you can believe what you want to believe". This time I KNEW I was laughing really hard and wasn't upset at all so it was an obvious, ridiculous lie. It's sort of weird that he would lie about something I would know to be so untrue. It was clear he was the upset one and trying to deny it but then had to turn it around and pretend I was the upset one and denying it.

The sad thing is I only got into what I hoped would be a rational, sensible discussion, because I imagined if I were him I would want to know this. I imagined- me as him finds laughing at others/teasing others funny, but well-adjusted people don't- thus I would be repelling people by being so pretentious about "teasing". So really I wanted to help him out here. But it got twisted into him getting triggered and then attacking me. It's also really funny how concerned he was with my opinion. I mean come on, disagree with me and then move on with your life.
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^^^

Those are levels of autism that shouldn't even be possible.

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One clear mark of a gamma is a total lack of intellectual sincerity. Gammas generally have no inherent concern for the truth. In line with their feminine mode of thinking, they seem to have their own gamma hamster which can work its way around truths it finds too uncomfortable, or whose acceptance would mean they were wrong about something.

(05-05-2018 06:10 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  It takes a Gamma level of self-delusion to think that this kind of body language comes across as cool, fun and indicative of high socially-status, instead of false, 'dead' and repellent.

Krauser has a good article on gamma physiognomy:

Quote:What you should be looking for as classic gamma physical traits: Soft smooth skin like it’s fresh from the spa having never experienced rugged outdoor environments; penetrating eyes with barely veiled self-righteous rage, passive-aggressive body posture braced for a snarky comeback, weak shoulders and neck.

[Image: gamma-colbert.jpg?w=300&amp;h=222]

[Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKyG8mw2tDU65pyOc_4Vp...mEpaq23vsQ]

[Image: B88274173Z.1_20180710201853_000_GRK8GHND...00x200.jpg]

Finally, this might be the most intense concentration of gamma on the internet (also from Krauser):



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(12-06-2018 03:42 PM)Oak Wrote:  One clear mark of a gamma is a total lack of intellectual sincerity. Gammas generally have no inherent concern for the truth. In line with their feminine mode of thinking, they seem to have their own gamma hamster which can work its way around truths it finds too uncomfortable, or whose acceptance would mean they were wrong about something.

(05-05-2018 06:10 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  It takes a Gamma level of self-delusion to think that this kind of body language comes across as cool, fun and indicative of high socially-status, instead of false, 'dead' and repellent.

Krauser has a good article on gamma physiognomy:

Quote:What you should be looking for as classic gamma physical traits: Soft smooth skin like it’s fresh from the spa having never experienced rugged outdoor environments; penetrating eyes with barely veiled self-righteous rage, passive-aggressive body posture braced for a snarky comeback, weak shoulders and neck.

[Image: gamma-colbert.jpg?w=300&amp;h=222]

[Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKyG8mw2tDU65pyOc_4Vp...mEpaq23vsQ]

[Image: B88274173Z.1_20180710201853_000_GRK8GHND...00x200.jpg]

Finally, this might be the most intense concentration of gamma on the internet (also from Krauser):




That video appears to be a gamma superfest, but if you watch the whole thing, you notice Will Farrell is one of the guys doing the slow, reverent monologues, and they start saying more and more insane, over-the-top things. It's a spoof of gammas, and therefore it's actually anti-gamma.

I have to admit, it's difficult to watch it long enough to get to the point where they start taking things over the top.

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^^ Will Ferrell did a parody, but the video in the post is the real deal.
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(12-06-2018 04:32 PM)Scoundrel Wrote:  ^^ Will Ferrell did a parody, but the video in the post is the real deal.

I was surprised when I found it was a parody, and couldn't believe I went years without realizing. Now it makes more sense. The two are so similar I didn't realize they were different.

Here it is for comparison.





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(12-06-2018 04:57 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 04:32 PM)Scoundrel Wrote:  ^^ Will Ferrell did a parody, but the video in the post is the real deal.

I was surprised when I found it was a parody, and couldn't believe I went years without realizing. Now it makes more sense. The two are so similar I didn't realize they were different.

Here it is for comparison.





That video is so gay it just broke my gaydar!

Btw, my thinking about gammas is that they are betas who think of themselves as alphas but noone is buying what they are selling!
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Don't buy it.

The first two guys strike me as con-men. I've met a couple in the old PUA community, talking about 'energy' etc, making money from courses, getting lot's of females around them and inevitably having sexual relations with more or more of them.

"Respect the hustle" ... not if its done in this manner.
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Finally finished reading this thread. Very interesting stuff, thanks to everyone who contributed with stories and explanations.

It was a bit painful reading some of it as I recognized some of these tendencies in myself, especially in my teens. I like to think that I am over them now, but on a bad day they will still come out if I don't fight them - so it was helpful to read the awfulness of it exposed and explained. I would be grateful for for this alone but in addition to that it is also very useful for identifying these toxic people and getting the hell away when you spot one.

On another note, I watched this the other day and, as I was reading the thread later, it hit me that Jim Goad is classic Gamma. It's funny watching him be owned. It goes on for about an hour or so after the timestamp.



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No one won that. It was sad all the way around.

The only thing good about it was, Goad can generally seem to best anyone one on one because he is pretty quick, is extremely forceful in his frame, and will talk over you if he can't beat you.

There was something satisfying, if morally bankrupt, about enjoying this video. He was pecked to death by pigeons, with five or six of them throwing things at him one right after the other.

Damn though, sad to be part of, sad to listen to. Bottom of the barrel in human discourse. Led to a 'no more internet blood sports' new year's resolution for me.

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(01-03-2019 02:01 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  ^
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No one won that. It was sad all the way around.

The only thing good about it was, Goad can generally seem to best anyone one on one because he is pretty quick, is extremely forceful in his frame, and will talk over you if he can't beat you.

There was something satisfying, if morally bankrupt, about enjoying this video. He was pecked to death by pigeons, with five or six of them throwing things at him one right after the other.

Damn though, sad to be part of, sad to listen to. Bottom of the barrel in human discourse. Led to a 'no more internet blood sports' new year's resolution for me.

Goad is one of those people to which I have a visceral disgust reaction from day one, and then I started reading about him. It turns out that he did really awful things and never repented. He thinks just because he writes about all the horrible stuff he did, it's ok and is forgiven. It's not. He deserves to be scolded, not reasoned with or debated, IMO. I was glad those guys were doing exactly that and telling him he is going to hell if he doesn't repent.

Having said that, I agree bloodsports is stupid, mostly morally reprehensible and there are a million ways to spend my time more productively. But as soon as I saw 'Jim Goad destroyed' I knew I was going to end up watching it. But I do feel kind of bad about it. It's like binging on junk food.
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(09-02-2018 04:55 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  I don't want to keep spamming up the thread, however my experience with my Dad recently was just too hilarious, mind-boggling and ridiculous not to share.

The backstory: I was having a laughing/giggling fit with my friend I was messaging to online about a group chat. It was an inside joke about "winner's mindset"- something he goes on and on about basically trying to always think positive and downplay the negative(to the extent of delusion- because he'd get mildly "triggered" by "complaining"- even if only 10-20% of what I say is negative), then calls it winner's mindset. I've turned it around for the ridiculousness it is and when I thought a lot about it I was laughing really hard.

When my dad heard me as I was walking around the kitchen as he was, he then said the predictable thing "you're not teasing anyone, are you?" with the subtle accusatory, but "naughty" tone. Almost like shaming but faux-positive. I don't know how to describe it exactly. This time I was feeling extra-positive and shitlordy so I decided to call him out on it and stir a little shit too. I think I instinctively projected that he would respond rationally also(at least- somewhat), given that I believe I would.

So I said- "You do realise most people- well, since dysfunction is so common, I guess, most well-adjusted people- don't actually enjoy teasing other people all that much? I'd imagine in well-adjusted people about 20% of the total pleasure/laughter people get actually comes from that. So if you keep asking people that question they are probably going to think something's up, since you should assume they aren't teasing anyone". From then on, his tone got relatively intense and accusatory, though I think he had enough of a handle on his emotions that he suppresses his anger(I believe he's virtually always angry- but hides it). It's sort of a defensive tone. "Where did you get that number?" "The exact number 20% isn't important, it's just that it's roughly that-" "How do you KNOW it's that" "In my case it's 20%-" "Oh it's just you then but clearly you have no friends and you don't know people but I do and so you don't know what you're saying". <--- That really threw me for a loop, historically I thought he said that in good faith, but reading AC I'm realising more and more it's subconsciously intentional to try to demoralise me, which historically worked, and I think would work for most people.

"Have you thought about the fact that most of the people you know, who find teasing 20% of less of the total things they find funny, have self-selected to avoid you, thus you don't know about them?" "That's ONE possibility" "Well, it's a really likely possibility, given how teasing people is actually rather boring" "It's boring FOR YOU, but I don't like how you're so confident about ONE POSSIBILITY"(him getting visibly upset, but still keeping in control) "Well, you can believe what you want to believe, but"(I mean, given he's 40 years older than me) "That's what I'm saying(it isn't what he was saying), but you can't be so confident about something that only applies to you" "I don't care what you believe, believe what you want" "That's what I'm saying(again, it isn't what he was saying), that it's ONE possibility, there's no need to get so upset"

Now here's the interesting bit. Historically this sort of discussion was heated. I sort of now realise it was him(or in some cases, Mum) who made it heated. So often, me or my sisters(or Mum) WOULD get upset. But in this case, I wasn't, I was actually still in a laughing mood. So basically, he tried to "flip things around" by accusing me of being upset. Naturally, I called him out on it. "I'm not upset, I'm actually laughing really hard" "There's no need to deny it" "I mean you can believe what you want to believe". This time I KNEW I was laughing really hard and wasn't upset at all so it was an obvious, ridiculous lie. It's sort of weird that he would lie about something I would know to be so untrue. It was clear he was the upset one and trying to deny it but then had to turn it around and pretend I was the upset one and denying it.

The sad thing is I only got into what I hoped would be a rational, sensible discussion, because I imagined if I were him I would want to know this. I imagined- me as him finds laughing at others/teasing others funny, but well-adjusted people don't- thus I would be repelling people by being so pretentious about "teasing". So really I wanted to help him out here. But it got twisted into him getting triggered and then attacking me. It's also really funny how concerned he was with my opinion. I mean come on, disagree with me and then move on with your life.

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(01-03-2019 03:12 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Is your dad's name MMX2010 and/or does he have a 150+ IQ?

No but it's still insane and mind blowing how much mental defectives want to pick a fight with you and lie/make stuff up/smear you(in an attempt to make you feel bad) if they are triggered and in a meltdown. Then after they calm down pretend it never happened. I gotta leave my situation Smile
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A supervisor complained to me before the holidays about one of his new employees.

"He doesn't take criticism well at all. You point out a mistake and he'll deny it. Push him on it and he'll explode in indignation. Prove it to him and he'll sulk for days. He acts like he's the smartest guy around. Always contriving cringe-inducing nerdy ways to demonstrate his 'superior' intelligence. Convinced he could do everything right and lead the whole team if the company promoted him. The guy is completely delusional!"

I asked him, "Have you ever heard the term 'gamma male' before...?"

Today, as he relates another eye-roll-worthy incident, said employee walks in, proceeds to interrupt with geeky display of his supposed smarts involving an out-of-left-field assertion that he speaks a half-dozen or so languages. He happens to 'demonstrate' with a flawed use of the other language in which I'm fluent. I shot back with "What does that mean?" in that language. He blanched, stammered something, and walked out.

The supervisor dared not laugh. "So," I ask him, "have you been reading up on gamma males?"

"Oh yeah. And I see what you mean."

I'm tempted to start speaking to this guy exclusively in that language.
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I've watched this video shortly after it came out, and was watching it now again. It seems to me that Gamma is a subset of Diabolical Narcisism. This video should be watched for many reasons, but I think it belongs in this thread as well.



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I was discussing Gammas and early childhood trauma with a friend of mine, and something occurred to me: both of the Gamma's I've known have had abusive mothers, and weak fathers who didn't protect them. Furthermore, they seem to have fetishized the abuse into an adult regression into childish ways. The mother punished them harshly for something that every child does - and now as adults, they manifest the behaviour constantly. It's a "Fuck you, mom, you can't stop me from eating whipped cream NOW!"

Has anybody else noticed this?

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(12-07-2018 09:55 PM)PharaohRa Wrote:  
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(12-06-2018 04:32 PM)Scoundrel Wrote:  ^^ Will Ferrell did a parody, but the video in the post is the real deal.

I was surprised when I found it was a parody, and couldn't believe I went years without realizing. Now it makes more sense. The two are so similar I didn't realize they were different.

Here it is for comparison.





That video is so gay it just broke my gaydar!

Btw, my thinking about gammas is that they are betas who think of themselves as alphas but noone is buying what they are selling!

I am going to insist on my next feminist date to watch this. Hilarious and useful.

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RE: The Gamma Megathread
(01-03-2019 11:26 PM)Alsos Wrote:  A supervisor complained to me before the holidays about one of his new employees.

"He doesn't take criticism well at all. You point out a mistake and he'll deny it. Push him on it and he'll explode in indignation. Prove it to him and he'll sulk for days. He acts like he's the smartest guy around. Always contriving cringe-inducing nerdy ways to demonstrate his 'superior' intelligence. Convinced he could do everything right and lead the whole team if the company promoted him. The guy is completely delusional!"

I asked him, "Have you ever heard the term 'gamma male' before...?"

Today, as he relates another eye-roll-worthy incident, said employee walks in, proceeds to interrupt with geeky display of his supposed smarts involving an out-of-left-field assertion that he speaks a half-dozen or so languages. He happens to 'demonstrate' with a flawed use of the other language in which I'm fluent. I shot back with "What does that mean?" in that language. He blanched, stammered something, and walked out.

The supervisor dared not laugh. "So," I ask him, "have you been reading up on gamma males?"

"Oh yeah. And I see what you mean."

I'm tempted to start speaking to this guy exclusively in that language.

There's been what I hope is a positive development regarding this gamma.

He came to me in confidence, and at first expressed his concern that others (specifically the supervisor) might not think he was doing a good job. Turned out to be a means to bring up his real concern: the possibility that everyone in the office finds him annoying because of his (gamma) behaviors. He was sincerely worried about it, and sincerely interested in advice on how to fix the problem - which he correctly and spontaneously identified as entirely his responsibility rather than blaming the others for any part of it.

I was honestly impressed by this. It's rare for anyone to take responsibility for anything they do or are doing wrong, and here you have someone whose problem is excessive and absurd displays of self-importance setting aside his pride to own up to it and ask for advice on addressing it.

We ended up talking for over an hour. I based some of my advice on what Vox Day said about escaping gammatude a while back, specifically that he needs to learn to be honest with himself about his behaviors and how others see them (regardless of what he thinks he's doing or should come across), and honest with himself about the true extent of his knowledge and abilities. He also needs to improve his skills at reading the social cues of others, to recognize when he's annoying them and stop himself, and to treat criticism not as a personal attack but as a gift of useful information that he benefit from.

But most importantly, I told him, he needs to learn and demonstrate humility, both for his own self-improvement and to improve his working relationships with the others. Don't just bluntly tell people they're wrong, or assert how smart you are or how much more you know. Especially since he's proven on several occasions to be flat-out wrong when he's done this (like his foreign language fail above). Pay attention to whether others are receptive to input, since in a given moment they may be frustrated or convinced of their own correctness or otherwise unwilling or unprepared to receive. Learn to express your input when it's time in a manner that suits the individual and the situation, always approaching from beneath ("Can I make a suggestion...?") rather than above ("Here's what you want to do...").

And for heaven's sake, teach yourself, when you make a mistake, to enjoy the freedom of admitting it and owning it and fixing it and learning from it. It makes life so much easier for yourself and everyone around you, compared to the lies you have to live when you instead deny you were wrong, pass the blame, and insist others need to fix the problem.

There was a lot packed into that conversation. But man, it makes a huge difference when someone is receptive to personal advice and participates in the conversation willingly. I'm interested to see what sort of difference it makes over time.
01-31-2019 10:33 AM
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RE: The Gamma Megathread
Be very careful.

Relapses are a bitch, and they tend to happen at just the moment they've gained your confidence. Don't take it personal, though.

Dog will hunt.

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01-31-2019 11:02 AM
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RE: The Gamma Megathread
Yes, exactly. My optimism is more cautious than it may sound.
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