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RE: The Gamma Megathread
Alphas are generally not vindictive. There can be vindictive people in every personality type but only gammas are vindictive due to it as such.

Being a delta is pretty great. You are probably too sigma or gamma to understand how comfortable it is for most people. I do prefer using the term beta though, yeah.

I am not going to claim that people don't misuse the terms but I do think personality traits and measurements are pretty clear cut. That is, people don't change personalities just because you like/dislike them.

Sigmas are pretty close to gammas but also distinct. I would also say sigmas are close to alphas and omegas in different ways. I think if you look at the manifestation of the personality traits sigmas are closest to omegas.

Btw I think alphas and sigmas generally have fewer mood swings, so all of that is pretty irrelevant to them.

> Vox Day also contradicts himself by claiming Gammas are conflict avoidant but also will argue and debate relentlessly far past the point where they've been beaten.

They're both true. I know for certain gammas do the latter; and a large amount of the time they back down when getting into serious trouble. They also generally don't fight battles directly.
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Achilles = Alpha - fights for glory
Odysseus = Beta - fights for his family
Ajax = Sigma - fights for duty

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(04-15-2019 06:50 AM)Aurini Wrote:  Achilles = Alpha - fights for glory
Odysseus = Beta - fights for his family
Ajax = Sigma - fights for duty

What about Patroclus? Is he an alpha or a beta?
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Patroclus is beta.

Diplodocus is alpha.

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Diplodocuses are vegetarians!!

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Go tell a diplodocus he's a vegan faggot and then we'll see who's alpha.

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(04-15-2019 01:09 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Go tell a diplodocus he's a vegan faggot and then we'll see who's alpha.


Might have to borrow your Outback Time Machine.

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I'm not saying being a delta is bad, since it's closest to "normal" that's what most people are. But no one would enjoy being described as such, look at how we deride the bug-men for liking popular culture herd mentality stuff. Beta is another normal-sounding personality description but more flattering. And is there any difference between a delta and beta beyond just the beta being an alpha's lieutenant?

Also, if Alphas aren't vindictive then Trump is looking a lot more like a gamma. I remember reading about some woman that worked for him and later on she had a different job and he wanted a favor from her that she thought was an ethics violation so she refused. For years after that he went out of his way to trash her as a work reference in order to hurt her career. This doesn't fit with the description of the alpha only attacking to secure a strategic goal and then being magnanimous in victory. And once again that description sounds more like a movie character than a real person. Powerful people in real life don't seem to possess much in the way of honor or mercy.

I'd boil it all down to just aggressive, socialized, and antisocial personalities.
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(04-15-2019 04:40 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  I'm not saying being a delta is bad, since it's closest to "normal" that's what most people are. But no one would enjoy being described as such, look at how we deride the bug-men for liking popular culture herd mentality stuff.

Hmm... my first instinct is that isn't true. I imagine many deltas would, if this categorisation became more popular, accept this and think it makes perfect sense.

(04-15-2019 04:40 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  Also, if Alphas aren't vindictive then Trump is looking a lot more like a gamma. I remember reading about some woman that worked for him and later on she had a different job and he wanted a favor from her that she thought was an ethics violation so she refused. For years after that he went out of his way to trash her as a work reference in order to hurt her career. This doesn't fit with the description of the alpha only attacking to secure a strategic goal and then being magnanimous in victory. And once again that description sounds more like a movie character than a real person. Powerful people in real life don't seem to possess much in the way of honor or mercy.

1) This probably says more about what fake news is than what Trump is
2) Cruelty is different from pettiness.
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Interesting takes and warnings on Gammas, only this guys uses the technical term:

Covert Narcissist.









Vox Day has covered this too, defining the Gamma as a covert narcissist and this link has a questionnaire that diagnoses them.

http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2015/1...ssist.html

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(06-20-2019 01:21 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  


This guy needs to get in to the Marines!

Ok, so he wouldn't pass basic.

This was so funny. The payoff at the end where he just does a comedy turn around when faced with fat dad authority.

What a coward.

Gamma to the max!
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(04-15-2019 05:14 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  Alphas are generally not vindictive.

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You've never fucked one of their bitches when they've been out on a charity run, now have you?


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Dude you're gonna say that and post a pic of crotch rocket riders?

Weak.
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(06-21-2019 02:55 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Dude you're gonna say that and post a pic of crotch rocket riders?

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So, all my prayers have been answered.

Ok, not all my prayers. And the prayers I had were pretty low-key anyway. I've learned not to ask God for too many miracles. Unless I really need them. And then, it's quite surprising what he can come up with.

My step dad who I've talked about at length in this very thread before, well, he kind of nearly died. 3 times. But who's counting?

He's in a wheelchair now for the rest of his life. Which won't be long, seeing as he only had 5 years to live about 8 years ago. Borrowed time.

But that doesn't stop the old marxist lefty from going from strength to strength. Just met up with them again the other day and all that 6000 calories a day is paying off. He's getting fitter and stronger. What a hard bastard - I'll give him that.

Narcs never humble, they only appear to humble.

As soon as he got a bit better it was all Jeremy Corbyn is the saviour of the UK. He's a fellow Trot!

He really went to town on Trump as well, still calling him a prick and calling anyone who supported him a prick. The old guy was back! Yes! Full of that piss and vinegar. Wheelchair bound. In fact, bed-bound really. Nastier and more vicious than ever.

Little old mumsy looks after him. Lifts him even, even is she is recovering from cancer herself. No matter, she is a martyr.

Fixed the printer for him. Set up a new wifi and router. Printer and computers needed networking which I did. No biggie. Took me a few hours. No problemo.

Got it all set up. Said to him: there ya go, all set up now, you should be able to print remotely from any computer/laptop in the house.

Response?

Nothing. Nada. Sweet fucking fuck all.

Again, the narc waits for this moment. The gamma waits for this moment. They live for it and relish it.

Thought it might have been an anomaly so set up some other computer stuff. But no, no thanks there either.

Mumsy is getting a bit upset by this point at the abuse my crippled step father is giving out so she is extra nice to me. "Would you like some sauce on your sarnie son?". Sure, mum, knock yourself out...

Triangulation still being played.

Earlier it was my mum being a complete bitch and my step-dad playing nice policeman. God, these cunts fucking drain me.

So I set up the wifi, got the printer working. Backed up the laptop and desktop. Printed out a return for Amazon to pick up some stuff so they could get their money back. Mowed the lawn. Hoovered all the upstairs of the house.

When my step dad first got out of hospital after six months, after nearly dying a few times, he was as low as low can be.

I stayed awake till six in the morning. I heard him crying out. I went downstairs. He had dropped his piss bottle. I picked it up. He had tears in his eyes. He was so fucking thankful. Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou...

But all that is forgotten now as the old sort gets stronger. Getting bigger and fitter and meaner by the day. Mumsy cooking him 4 meals a day. Hoisting him in and out of bed to piss and shit. Fair fucking play to them both.

When I set the router up before for them, he said to me, very terse:

Are you going to get this done any time soon or do I have to pay for an engineer to come out and do this for us?

Fuck me, when you put it like that!

So I set it up.

Gammas always pretend to be nice. They fool you.

They always watch though and when you are at your weakest they strike. No matter if they are in a wheelchair or bed-bound even.

It's a marriage made in heaven: mumsy and him. A covert and an overt. Textbook.

I know I've been played like a fiddle. That's what hurts. I woke up a little while back but when I started pointing out that I knew what was going on was when the real violence started. Since then it's been cat and mouse between us.

I no longer have any feelings for my mother. I certainly have no feelings for my step-father. I'm just working out a plan to go 'no-contact' as we say in the narc recovery community.

Imagine being totally crippled. And yet, this person who you have treated like shit your whole life still forgives you and comes to help you, but you still can not resist to exercise your narc personality. Silence. Nothing. No thanks. No words. You know it unsettles. You've done it your whole life and it brings rewards.

Such fucking bollocks. I almost admire him in a way.

As always, I ain't even mad bro'...

I observe.

Not a lot I can do really as my mum is his main enabler.

Still, he's getting strong now, even with late stage heart failure and all this just being palliative care.

It just makes them more vicious.

I got everything I prayed for. I asked God 'please, set him back to his old self, make him as vicious and as obnoxious as he always was', and all my prayers were answered.

He's getting stronger by the day.

The Gamma rises!
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Have you ever tried carrying on the conversation you wished you were having with the narc, playing both side yourself?

Thanks for taking the time to do all that.

Oh, you are welcome.

Really, you took a good chunk out of your day.

No problem, I know you would do the same for me.


That kind of thing. The gammas hate it, and tell you that you are being childish, or that it is the least you can do.

And than you can say, innocently:

Oh, I just like to pretend people are polite. Makes the day better.

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Explaining what they're doing and then forgiving them for it is cleansing of the soul and also fulfils your daily trolling requirements.

"You're being rude and ungrateful, but I forgive you."

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(08-04-2019 11:45 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Explaining what they're doing and then forgiving them for it is cleansing of the soul and also fulfils your daily trolling requirements.

"You're being rude and ungrateful, but I forgive you."

Yes, LD. You got it.

The point isn't changing them.


The point is expressing your own feelings in a roundabout way, in the moment, however you decide to do that, so that you don't bottle it up and let it build for months and then you lose your temper, and the gamma can play the victim to the crowd.

I have learned this the hard way. Address your frustrations when they happen as a source of self therapy and you don't end up carrying around the gamma's bad behavior in your soul.

The trolling, of course, is the fun part, and only limited by your imagination.

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(08-04-2019 12:45 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  
(08-04-2019 11:45 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Explaining what they're doing and then forgiving them for it is cleansing of the soul and also fulfils your daily trolling requirements.

"You're being rude and ungrateful, but I forgive you."

Yes, LD. You got it.

The point isn't changing them.


The point is expressing your own feelings in a roundabout way, in the moment, however you decide to do that, so that you don't bottle it up and let it build for months and then you lose your temper, and the gamma can play the victim to the crowd.

I have learned this the hard way. Address your frustrations when they happen as a source of self therapy and you don't end up carrying around the gamma's bad behavior in your soul.

The trolling, of course, is the fun part, and only limited by your imagination.



Excellent tactic, I do this consistently when dealing with these "gamma" types. I consider these losers "Legends in their own mind" type of dudes.

Is that a more normal description of them by layman's terms ?

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(08-03-2019 07:36 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  When I set the router up before for them, he said to me, very terse:

Are you going to get this done any time soon or do I have to pay for an engineer to come out and do this for us?

Fuck me, when you put it like that!

So I set it up.

I've always just dropped whatever I was helping with and calmly left at the first snotty comment. Works great when you don't give them the screaming match they wanted in the first place.
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(08-04-2019 11:32 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  Have you ever tried carrying on the conversation you wished you were having with the narc, playing both side yourself?

Thanks for taking the time to do all that.

Oh, you are welcome.

Really, you took a good chunk out of your day.

No problem, I know you would do the same for me.


That kind of thing. The gammas hate it, and tell you that you are being childish, or that it is the least you can do.

And than you can say, innocently:

Oh, I just like to pretend people are polite. Makes the day better.


I haven't gone that deep. But who knows, I might try it.

At this point it's not about scoring points, it's about favourable outcomes.

I just want to do my duty.

These poor cunts have no one to help them. They keep holding out.

I sound brutal, but I'll be there for them - no one else will.

This isn't even martyrdom on my part, it's just decency.


It really is like dealing with a 5 year old kid - which is the age most people who deal with narc parents say they got arrested at..

It's hard because up until recently my step dad needed carers to come in 4 times a day for him to piss and shit. TMI, I know.

I'm sorting it out.

Actually, it has nothing to do with me. My mother has taken total control. She loves it. She is the General, totally in charge. My step dad was happy to see I was up for helping him, but mumsy made sure I was fucked out of the picture pretty soon - she will be the only one helping him.

It's sick 'Misery' level kind of shit.

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At some point he will die.

But probably not in the next 20 years, and I'll probably be dead by that point my self.

Here I am, giving, to an entity that only sucks the life force from me.

Need to go 'no contact' as soon as I can. But they still haven't shown me my bro's will or given me the money he left me. What a perfect pity party they have for an empath like me.

Things couldn't have turned out much worse really.

It really is a living nightmare. I have no leg to stand on. No moral support.

Yeah, it's a narc's dream.

At some point this will be sorted out and I will be able to grieve for my brother.

My mother will die alone in a home.

My step father will never die. He should have died 20 years ago.

The Devil looks after his own.

But be careful what you wish for.

I pray every night for him to get stronger, to keep my mother safe.

So far my prayers are answered.

There is probably a chapter and verse in here some where, and I'm happy to hear it.

Prick next door to my mother giving them a hard time and making a mug of me don't know how fucking close he's coming to a good hiding either.

It's slings and arrows all around.

All good.
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This won't be something I can solve by myself.

I have no reference point.

My mother and my step father are both severely co-dependent.

If she leaves the room for 60 seconds he cries out. If she does not answer, he cries out louder.

My mother loves this. It proves she is needed.

I've almost begged her to talk to me. To make up some kind of sense of my childhood. But remember, my brother had beed dead for 3 days before she told me. "Oh, I called you, you didn't answer the phone".

This was a swipe at my inability to contact with others. A form of punishment.

I was in a pretty bad state.

My mother has survived cancer, so has my step father. They will never die.

I'm still trying to find a frame work though to look after them.

I tried really hard to kill myself, but it's pretty difficult. I know they might be a bit upset, but I don't want them to pick up the pieces.

Somehow I will find a way out of this.

People are weak. Sometimes you can't rely on family or friends.

Here we are on a forum, but you are some of the best friends I have.

I love you bruvs!
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I'm going to lead into my post with two things you love most, Rigs.

God and Jews.

Hear me out, it doesn't require believing or work-camps.

In another post I noted that the Jews are the devil's delivery men for the fruits of the sinful lives of Europeans. The devil's advocate in my mind immediately demanded of me "what, then, is the punishment for the Jews?" My better guides who I'm learning how to listen to laughed and replied immediately.

"Imagine living in the mind of a Jew. You would be begging to go to hell."

And anyone with an IQ north of 100 knows what I'm talking about. I know for a fact that you know what I'm talking about, Rigs. How us big-brain people use our big-brains to create our own personal psychological hell and populate it with as many demons as we could possible conceive of. How we can be surrounded with good things and still live under a perpetual dark cloud of our own making. How we can conjure up the most amazing invisible chains for ourselves and give bad people psychic daggers to lodge in our backs.

And then you ask a "stupid" person how they deal with a similar situation and they say something "stupid" like "I don't know, I guess I just don't think about it, really."

Whether you believe in God or not, forgiveness is a gift to yourself, not the person you are forgiving. What you are giving them is their own sins, return to sender, so that you don't have to carry them around in your great big brain anymore.

After all, like the neurotic Jew there is no greater punishment you can level upon people like that than their own self-imposed suffering they create for themselves every second of the day. I know better than anyone that a present battle of wills is a precious distraction for these people from their self-manifested suffering.

Forgive them and take a deep breath. Though they hurt you, they suffer constantly. Theirs is a life sentence regardless of whether they appear free.

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Oh, I know alright.

And I know you know I know.

And you know I know you know I know.


Not trying to be coy, or even looking for guidance.

Just putting this out there. Probably shouldn't have.

I'll do my duty. Out of the goodness of my heart.

Bodichitta, Agape...

I do understand about forgiveness. Compassion. Empathy.

Anyway, got some hard days up ahead. I'll deal with it.

These recent posts weren't even meant to be so much about me, but perhaps to provide an insight in to the narc, gamma, whatever you call them. Overt or covert.

There's not a lot that can come good now after such damage done. I'm at the point of understanding and on the precipice of where to go next with this higher knowledge. Doesn't seem anywhere to go now. Just over the edge.

I touched base with God for a while, but even that has all gone now. I feel totally lost without anything to live for, without any reason to live. No God, no meaning, no family, no friends.

Totally lost.

Except for the curiosity of 'what happens next?'.

But yeah, I know. And I know you know I know. And you know I know you know I know.

:-)

What I would like to see is the eye that sees me when I know that I know that I know...


“There was a young man who said though, it seems that I know that I know, but what I would like to see is the I that knows me when I know that I know that I know.”



https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/712424-...h-it-seems
08-05-2019 06:54 PM
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