Post: #326

Man, you Peterson haters are lazy.

Stuart Smalley Memes?

Sad.

Do I, someone who likes Peterson, have to post criticism for you?





Evolve past your projections and jealousies, and criticize him properly.

Post: #327

But doggone it, people like Jordan!

Post: #328

(02-03-2019 02:14 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Man, you Peterson haters are lazy.

Stuart Smalley Memes?

Sad.

Do I, someone who likes Peterson, have to post criticism for you?





Evolve past your projections and jealousies, and criticize him properly.

When everyone and their mothers are calling out Jordan Peterson as a False Prophet, that is not laziness, that is stating the obvious!

Post: #329

(02-03-2019 05:45 PM)PharaohRa Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 02:14 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Man, you Peterson haters are lazy.

Stuart Smalley Memes?

Sad.

Do I, someone who likes Peterson, have to post criticism for you?





Evolve past your projections and jealousies, and criticize him properly.

When everyone and their mothers are calling out Jordan Peterson as a False Prophet, that is not laziness, that is stating the obvious!

Post: #330

TFW a wahmen looks at you like that while she's stroking her pussy.

Post: #331

Here's the thing I'm coming to conclude about this recent dump of criticism on Peterson about how he's a subversive, UN insider, right-wing-mob pacifier... It's super easy and tempting for a 30-something guy, a red-pill community guy, lady-killer, hustling-to-escape-the-corporate-grind kind of guy, to see advice like "take on as much responsibility as possible to find meaning in life", "tell the truth or at least don't lie" and come to the conclusion of: Fuck this guy, he's just trying to calm me down so that I don't join the increasingly visible and relevant right wing group of heritage westerners who are ready to say and do anything to protect our countries. I am preparing for war and this Jordan Peterson fucker is trying to stop me.

BUT, the thing is, 95% of this is posturing on the internet by single men who are employed somewhere, need to make money, aren't fit to fight, and are growing old rapidly... ONLY 5% are either appropriately financed, young enough to not care and be a soldier, smart enough to be a mouthpiece, or gunned up and tough enough to be an effective militiaman... but even then, NOBODY IS ASKING THEM to go fight right now! And this tiny 5% will not stay like this forever. They'll get sick, old and broke rapidly, and there goes their window of effectiveness.

The core of Peterson's advice in the above quotes has always been, and can mean nothing else as far as I'm concerned, "Have an actual career and work hard, don't just do the bare minimum of "location independent work", pick a girl and HAVE KIDS AND RAISE THEM, be brave, tell the truth, but don't throw away your whole life for a political declaration that will destroy your family"

This is the standard advice for all of time that has always worked. Us forum men are largely defying this advice, and Peterson is telling you "Guys, that's a bad choice, your life isn't going to go the way you were hoping for."

Really, the idea that one should not have kids is RADICAL. It is the biggest craziest gamble in life that a people could ever make, and the ONLY time it ever ever works out to be the right decision is when you are a 20 something and your society is at the cusp of imminent war, and you are exactly ready for war at the exact time and place that you are called upon to be in war.

The only way for a society to be constantly prepared and ready for the call to defend against invaders or stand against tyranny is by constantly replenishing the supply of young men willing to do it. Being a 30 year old man and saying "I'm not going to settle down and work hard and have kids because our society is about to collapse" is like taking your entire life saving and buying a Put Option betting that the market is going to crash THIS YEAR. If you're wrong, your fucked. And if enough men do it the whole country is fucked and broke.

The deep down fear of men following the path of banging girls into their 30s and trying to hustle up money on the outside of the traditional economy is that we know this might horribly wrong, we might never find what we want, we might actually destroy the whole world by doing this... Jordan Peterson is just pointing this out, and the backlash and flailings from red-pill intellectuals who look to twist this blatantly simple and obvious fact as Peterson trying to pacify angry men, or attribute it to some elaborate subversion due to his standing among legitimate organization in the world, is all too predictable.

There's a fantasy of young red-pill men of being part of a "bigger cause" and that we should be willing risk it all to defend our culture. That's what we're being whipped up into thinking is the reason for delaying/not having kids or not work as hard as we could be. That it'll all be worth it when we're called to action to SAVE THE WEST.

The entirely more likely life progression is this:

20: These girls are fucked up and hard to fuck. How come I can't get an interview for a job but Sanjay can?
25: Oh I see, girls are dumb and just do whatever ads and their friends tell them to. I feel like a pretty important person in this world, so why does nobody care what's going on in my life? I am getting angry.
30: These sluts are easy to fuck, but there's too many fatties. This is not worth it. Why the fuck did nobody care what happened to me, a smart young man, during my 20s? Fighting a war to fix our culture would be worth it. I am really fucking angry now and ready to fight.
35: Still angry - where's that war? These sluts are getting fatter. Hello?
40: I am so fucking angry and my body hurts all the time. Holy fuck where is that war?
45: God I don't care about banging sluts at all anymore. Look at all these 20 year old brown kids running around, they scare me.
50: These prostitutes sure are getting fat. Wonder if there if there's ever going to be a war?
55: *WAR* Holy fuck I am an old man. Good thing I have two 20 year old sons to fight for the future of our people - Oh fuck wait no I don't - better hide.
60: *After war* Why does this grocery store only have goat and lentils?

Leonard, was it you that said that if it wasn't for your kids you'd definitely be on the watch list by now? (might have been another RVF guy, can't remember)

I'll take your word for it, but we don't *really* know if that's true. In all likelihood the only way a 40 something with a job will take a stand and take a risk is IF he has some young kids to look out for. A single 40 year old man with a job and some money is never going to rock the boat and lose his easy cushy meaningless life. He's too old and tired. The only people that will ever effect change in the world are young men 20-30 who are ready to kill, and old men 30-60 who who have kids and are ready to speak-out, pay-up, and sacrifice so that their sons might not have to go to war.

The only way for civilization to not collapse is for this process to repeat over and over and over, regardless of how hard it gets for a certain generation. For ours, it is definitely harder. We have to work more than we should, suffer more than we should, fuck and have kids with uglier women than we deserve, and suffer through raising them in the hell that is modern western culture. But we have NO OTHER CHOICE. So clean your room, take on responsibility willingly, and try to tell the truth or at least don't lie; and maybe someday your sons or grandsons will have it better than you.

Post: #332

To sum up: You say that Peterson is approved subversion to pacify the right.

I say Peterson is subverting the (((Subverters))) by using politically correct speech to sneakily convince millions of young men to go get married, have kids, find God and save the West.

Post: #333

Here is another of Peterson's *incoherent* ideas that make no sense according to universally respected guys like Vox Day, Milo Yiannopoulos, and Owen Benjamin:

Seek meaning in your life instead of happiness. You will appreciate happiness when it comes but be resilient enough to face the hard times that will undoubtedly arrive.

How many thousands of times has he repeated this one?

If you listened to his critics, you would think that all he does is fantasize about fucking relatives, stare blankly in a SSRI induced haze and run like a coward from violence, albeit in the sixth grade, but it still counts.

Post: #334

Ya, I don't think I've ever found a single sentence he's ever said to be incoherent or *too* confusing to comprehend... Certainly sometimes he's a bit wordy and I have to give it a couple listens in a row to understand the message, but there's always something substantial behind all the adjectives.

Post: #335

Sometimes this forum goes ape-shit-crazy with conspiracy theories. Jordan is just another random guy/professor trying to make a name for himself. It worked out for him as he had the "physical face" and a random number. There are hundreds of him on youtube who will not get that popularity. He's already a fan of the pareto distribution: "only a few people win at the top, the rest are losers". Work hard and maybe if you are lucky you'll get there.

No, he is not conspiring against us. Neither is the random cat that came at my window the other day and begged for food. I'm feeding her up daily. Is there some conspiracy that is working against me that make me give her some of my produce. Evolution, maybe. Or maybe she/he is making me less lonely so I give her/him something for that.

Jordan Peterson has helped me overcome some parts of my depression. I thank him for that. But he is still another human being that is driven by what drives us too. We live in families/communities because our brains are engineered for that. Jordan suggests you do that which is still the best thing an average dude in the west can hope for.

If you are going for a nomad lifestyle, going to SEA and other countries hunting for pussies, being a freeman, you are just a byproduct of the globalization you are fighting. Jordan doesn't seem to believe in that or doesn't think that a majority of people can achieve that. Globalization is still young. In fact, it just started. And countries are struggling about how to deal with it.

I'm a believer that the forces of globalization are inherent in humans and not bound by some "elites" or "corporations" but I don't know how it'll play. In either cases, for christ sake, let's not over-exaggerate things and stay reasonable. Jordan is just another dude and no one is conspiring against you on a daily basis. (as an average person/dude).

Post: #336

(02-19-2019 04:08 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  Sometimes this forum goes ape-shit-crazy with conspiracy theories. Jordan is just another random guy/professor trying to make a name for himself. It worked out for him as he had the "physical face" and a random number. There are hundreds of him on youtube who will not get that popularity. He's already a fan of the pareto distribution: "only a few people win at the top, the rest are losers". Work hard and maybe if you are lucky you'll get there.

No, he is not conspiring against us. Neither is the random cat that came at my window the other day and begged for food. I'm feeding her up daily. Is there some conspiracy that is working against me that make me give her some of my produce. Evolution, maybe. Or maybe she/he is making me less lonely so I give her/him something for that.

...

I'm a believer that the forces of globalization are inherent in humans and not bound by some "elites" or "corporations" but I don't know how it'll play. In either cases, for christ sake, let's not over-exaggerate things and stay reasonable. Jordan is just another dude and no one is conspiring against you on a daily basis. (as an average person/dude).

Is that like cargo cult logic or what? Things aren't controlled because things aren't controlled?

Post: #337

(02-19-2019 04:08 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  Sometimes this forum goes ape-shit-crazy with conspiracy theories. Jordan is just another random guy/professor trying to make a name for himself. It worked out for him as he had the "physical face" and a random number. There are hundreds of him on youtube who will not get that popularity. He's already a fan of the pareto distribution: "only a few people win at the top, the rest are losers". Work hard and maybe if you are lucky you'll get there.

No, he is not conspiring against us. Neither is the random cat that came at my window the other day and begged for food. I'm feeding her up daily. Is there some conspiracy that is working against me that make me give her some of my produce. Evolution, maybe. Or maybe she/he is making me less lonely so I give her/him something for that.

Jordan Peterson has helped me overcome some parts of my depression. I thank him for that. But he is still another human being that is driven by what drives us too. We live in families/communities because our brains are engineered for that. Jordan suggests you do that which is still the best thing an average dude in the west can hope for.

If you are going for a nomad lifestyle, going to SEA and other countries hunting for pussies, being a freeman, you are just a byproduct of the globalization you are fighting. Jordan doesn't seem to believe in that or doesn't think that a majority of people can achieve that. Globalization is still young. In fact, it just started. And countries are struggling about how to deal with it.

I'm a believer that the forces of globalization are inherent in humans and not bound by some "elites" or "corporations" but I don't know how it'll play. In either cases, for christ sake, let's not over-exaggerate things and stay reasonable. Jordan is just another dude and no one is conspiring against you on a daily basis. (as an average person/dude).

1- No, globalization did not just start, it's been very active for over two centuries. You might think it just started but that's only because you've only just became aware of it recently. It's part of a larger agenda of social engineering and cultural debasement which includes poisonpills like weaponized feminism, cultural marxism and the usury monetary system.

2- You state that Peterson has helped you overcome your mental depression problem, so you're going to have a very difficult time being objective about him, or understanding his real agenda, as you will invariably look at him as your personal savor, especially in light of item 1 above, which kind of shows that you have not done any serious research on the subject. Can't blame you for this btw, you have to really step out from the ideological boundaries that have been set for us by a lifetime of indoctrination in order to get there.

3- "If you are going for a nomad lifestyle, going to SEA and other countries hunting for pussies, being a freeman, you are just a byproduct of the globalization you are fighting": agree completely here.

Post: #338

Saying someone helped you with depression is not the same as saying they are your savior.

This is one of the major fallacies that Peterson critics harp on.

I have a Jungian therapist who helps me a lot.

He is not my savior.

He hates my politics, but so what? Has nothing to do with therapy.

This is an unfair and casual dismissal.

I was just listening to Peterson's interview with Cernovich for his movie. His ideas are clear and they make sense.





Basic idea: People make mental maps of the world to understand reality.

You have to constantly redesign your map as new information comes in.

It is very tempting to hang onto false information that comforts you when faced with uncomfortable truths, but this leads to disaster.

The best way to know whether or not you are hanging onto to old ideas or actually moving closer to the truth is to use your intuition, which you feel in your body. You can feel in your body when you are getting closer to the truth.

This is simply an explanation of intuition. Too much rationality leads to rationalizing, so you need to really try to listen to your intuition to develop a mental map that gets closer and closer to the truth.

How is this bad? How is this controlled opposition?

It is a mental methodology, not a conclusion. You could use it to come the the conclusions that you, 911, have come to.

This is where Peterson's value lies. You are underestimating people who appreciate him and overestimating yourself when you make these kinds of arguments.

This is a subject that a good Jungian would have a lot to say about.

Post: #339

(02-19-2019 02:50 PM)911 Wrote:  1- No, globalization did not just start, it's been very active for over two centuries. You might think it just started but that's only because you've only just became aware of it recently. It's part of a larger agenda of social engineering and cultural debasement which includes poisonpills like weaponized feminism, cultural marxism and the usury monetary system.

When I say Globalization, I mean the textbook definition. If you think some elite are working on globalization + feminism + marxism, then that's fine. But that has nothing to do with globalization. globalization was mainly economically driven. No national country would like to change its language, culture, religion or system (to date). But they discovered that trade makes them prosperous and thus opted to open trade and borders.

Full globalization will mean standard border controls across countries, a global database of "citizens", English being spoken officially in every country, a unified system of payment, global courts/laws, no tariffs, etc...

As far as I'm aware we are very far from that.

(02-19-2019 02:50 PM)911 Wrote:  2- You state that Peterson has helped you overcome your mental depression problem, so you're going to have a very difficult time being objective about him, or understanding his real agenda, as you will invariably look at him as your personal savor, especially in light of item 1 above, which kind of shows that you have not done any serious research on the subject. Can't blame you for this btw, you have to really step out from the ideological boundaries that have been set for us by a lifetime of indoctrination in order to get there.

How is that? Peterson gave me specific advice that I followed and helped my case. It's not like he emotionally or financially supported me. It's not that I like the man face but he pushed me to productivity again.

I don't claim the man has higher moral grounds. In fact, I specifically don't agree with him on that. I'm not keen on having kids, a wife or a family life. It just happens that I followed his advice and part of it worked extremely well to my surprise.

Also: If you haven't been through a tough depression, you are very unlikely to understand him. He'll come up as a mythologist.

But that derails my point: Peterson is just a random professor who articulated depression psychology for the masses. It's not rocket science (not that rocket science is hard) but reading psychology books will probably bore you to death or double your depression.

Peterson delivered the curriculum in a very consumable way by the average person. It is entertaining and informative to watch him. He also makes you listen. So you get to learn something. And no, he is not conspiring against anybody or a part of a secret group. That would be crazy and if you think that, you might as well just start doubting your cat/dog.

Post: #340

@jordanbpeterson
2m

Quote:It would be a great advantage to everyone if we had a sensible policy oriented centrist Democrat candidate

O rly?
Cause that's been working out so well for the West...

Post: #341

(02-19-2019 04:08 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  Sometimes this forum goes ape-shit-crazy with conspiracy theories. Jordan is just another random guy/professor trying to make a name for himself.

This is demonstrably false. "Random guy/professor" does not serve on United Nations committees writing globalist policy.

We have covered this already. There is clearly much more to Jordan Peterson than meets the eye.

(06-24-2018 11:26 AM)MidJack Wrote:  Jordan Peterson was on the UN Secretary General’s High Level Panel on Sustainable Development. Peterson talks about this a lot. Here is a secondary source:
http://www.ideacity.ca/speaker/dr-jordan-peterson/

Here is Peterson in 2016 admitting that he was on the panel (at 1:09). He has stated the same publicly many times.
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=fz793O7sxXs

Here is the 2015 Agenda 21 report:
http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/po...Report.pdf

Here is a quote from Chapter 2 of the report:

Quote:A fifth, but perhaps most important, transformative shift for the post-2015 agenda is to bring a new sense of global partnership into national and international politics. This must provide a fresh vision and framework, based on our common humanity and the principles established at Rio. Included among those principles: universality, equity, sustainability, solidarity, human rights, the right to development and responsibilities shared in accordance with capabilities.

So, Agenda 21 is essentially a plan for a global communist system in the image of the Soviet Union. A tiny elite (the UN and affiliates) enforcing equity on a massive underclass.

Post: #342

(02-19-2019 08:29 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  @jordanbpeterson
2m

Quote:It would be a great advantage to everyone if we had a sensible policy oriented centrist Democrat candidate

O rly?
Cause that's been working out so well for the West...

People make mental maps of the world to understand reality.

You have to constantly redesign your map as new information comes in.

It is very tempting to hang onto false information that comforts you when faced with uncomfortable truths, but this leads to disaster.

The best way to know whether or not you are hanging onto to old ideas or actually moving closer to the truth is to use your intuition, which you feel in your body. You can feel in your body when you are getting closer to the truth.

This is simply an explanation of intuition. Too much rationality leads to rationalizing, so you need to really try to listen to your intuition to develop a mental map that gets closer and closer to the truth.

It is a mental methodology, not a conclusion. You could use it to come the the conclusions that you, CynicalContrarian, have come to.

Post: #343

(02-19-2019 09:17 PM)911 Wrote:  People make mental maps of the world to understand reality.

You have to constantly redesign your map as new information comes in.

It is very tempting to hang onto false information that comforts you when faced with uncomfortable truths, but this leads to disaster.

The best way to know whether or not you are hanging onto to old ideas or actually moving closer to the truth is to use your intuition, which you feel in your body. You can feel in your body when you are getting closer to the truth.

This is simply an explanation of intuition. Too much rationality leads to rationalizing, so you need to really try to listen to your intuition to develop a mental map that gets closer and closer to the truth.

It is a mental methodology, not a conclusion. You could use it to come the the conclusions that you, CynicalContrarian, have come to.

I'll come back to your comment when Tusli Gabbard receives a fair hearing from the fake news crowd. Not that I'd vote for Tulsi if given the chance.
The centrist stipulation doesn't surprise me so much, rather the Democrat stipulation.
Between 'overton window' shifts & the promotion of identity politics nonsense.
The Democrats don't come across as the paragons of stoic moral principle nor pragmatism.

Post: #344

^^^^ sarcasm, irony, etc... That was just me repurposing the quinoa world salad Debeguiled had tossed my way.

(02-19-2019 07:14 PM)lookslikeit Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 02:50 PM)911 Wrote:  1- No, globalization did not just start, it's been very active for over two centuries. You might think it just started but that's only because you've only just became aware of it recently. It's part of a larger agenda of social engineering and cultural debasement which includes poisonpills like weaponized feminism, cultural marxism and the usury monetary system.

When I say Globalization, I mean the textbook definition. If you think some elite are working on globalization + feminism + marxism, then that's fine. But that has nothing to do with globalization. globalization was mainly economically driven. No national country would like to change its language, culture, religion or system (to date). But they discovered that trade makes them prosperous and thus opted to open trade and borders.

Full globalization will mean standard border controls across countries, a global database of "citizens", English being spoken officially in every country, a unified system of payment, global courts/laws, no tariffs, etc...

As far as I'm aware we are very far from that.

(02-19-2019 02:50 PM)911 Wrote:  2- You state that Peterson has helped you overcome your mental depression problem, so you're going to have a very difficult time being objective about him, or understanding his real agenda, as you will invariably look at him as your personal savor, especially in light of item 1 above, which kind of shows that you have not done any serious research on the subject. Can't blame you for this btw, you have to really step out from the ideological boundaries that have been set for us by a lifetime of indoctrination in order to get there.

How is that? Peterson gave me specific advice that I followed and helped my case. It's not like he emotionally or financially supported me. It's not that I like the man face but he pushed me to productivity again.

I don't claim the man has higher moral grounds. In fact, I specifically don't agree with him on that. I'm not keen on having kids, a wife or a family life. It just happens that I followed his advice and part of it worked extremely well to my surprise.

Also: If you haven't been through a tough depression, you are very unlikely to understand him. He'll come up as a mythologist.

But that derails my point: Peterson is just a random professor who articulated depression psychology for the masses. It's not rocket science (not that rocket science is hard) but reading psychology books will probably bore you to death or double your depression.

Peterson delivered the curriculum in a very consumable way by the average person. It is entertaining and informative to watch him. He also makes you listen. So you get to learn something. And no, he is not conspiring against anybody or a part of a secret group. That would be crazy and if you think that, you might as well just start doubting your cat/dog.

Yeah, OK, I don't understand him, or more precisely, I don't rely on that kind of a fairly transparent academia-mystic globalist package to be some kind of a life coach guru for me.

Quote:As far as I'm aware we are very far from [full globalism]

The Treaty of Rome was over 60 years ago. So much for border controls in Lampadusa, Lesbos or El Paso for that matter. Unified currency and pan continental courts are already here in much of Europe, we're just a couple of treaties away (hello TPP) from global courts systems.

Post: #345

I love quinoa.

Post: #346

This is more serious than I thought... We've got to get you out of Cascadia pronto, DBG.

Post: #347

(02-19-2019 09:07 PM)MidJack Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 04:08 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  Sometimes this forum goes ape-shit-crazy with conspiracy theories. Jordan is just another random guy/professor trying to make a name for himself.

This is demonstrably false. "Random guy/professor" does not serve on United Nations committees writing globalist policy.

We have covered this already. There is clearly much more to Jordan Peterson than meets the eye.

(06-24-2018 11:26 AM)MidJack Wrote:  Jordan Peterson was on the UN Secretary General’s High Level Panel on Sustainable Development. Peterson talks about this a lot. Here is a secondary source:
http://www.ideacity.ca/speaker/dr-jordan-peterson/

Here is Peterson in 2016 admitting that he was on the panel (at 1:09). He has stated the same publicly many times.
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=fz793O7sxXs

Here is the 2015 Agenda 21 report:
http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/po...Report.pdf

Here is a quote from Chapter 2 of the report:

Quote:A fifth, but perhaps most important, transformative shift for the post-2015 agenda is to bring a new sense of global partnership into national and international politics. This must provide a fresh vision and framework, based on our common humanity and the principles established at Rio. Included among those principles: universality, equity, sustainability, solidarity, human rights, the right to development and responsibilities shared in accordance with capabilities.

So, Agenda 21 is essentially a plan for a global communist system in the image of the Soviet Union. A tiny elite (the UN and affiliates) enforcing equity on a massive underclass.

I have to chime in here....

Agenda 21 came about in the late 1980s and was pumped out during the Clinton years in 1992 - your timelines don't match up. This is not to say Agenda 21 isn't garbage, it is a clear document that is intended to steer the globe towards a collectivist gulag but its creators were involved much more early then you are presenting as the seeds toe Agenda 21 were planted by the Deep Ecologists back in the 1970s.

People are reaching trying to conflate an academic, Jordan Peterson, getting a payday from taking the dozy money to go fly and speak in some hotel ballroom to a bunch of other pseudo-intellectuals. If anyone was in Academia at that time you know full well the UN trash on developing MDGs (Millennium Development Goals) was a hustle where many Academics got good CV line items and goodies to go give their time to the scam (MDGs were all the rage when I was doing one of my degrees, all the Profs couldn't stop stroking themselves over it - likely as that was where the food trough was being filled up for them to eat). I know of 3 other Academics who were involved in the same panel and none of them have any nefarious goals to be sleeper cell trojan solders for the New World Order.

I don't find the JP critiques all that convincing. I try to read all these critiques and many come up very weak or short. Do I think he lets his fame get into his head sometimes? Sure, I do. But, this man has done more good in awakening many men from zombie psychosis and to reject the defeatest cloak placed on them by modern society. The core issue in society today is the dearth of men lost in the cracks, anyone who is helping to shift that I can't say is bad.

Post: #348

(02-20-2019 03:49 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 09:07 PM)MidJack Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 04:08 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  Sometimes this forum goes ape-shit-crazy with conspiracy theories. Jordan is just another random guy/professor trying to make a name for himself.

This is demonstrably false. "Random guy/professor" does not serve on United Nations committees writing globalist policy.

...

I have to chime in here....

Agenda 21 came about in the late 1980s and was pumped out during the Clinton years in 1992 - your timelines don't match up.

I was responding to the idea that Jordan Peterson is just a "random guy".

I do assign responsibility to those who perpetuate bad policy. Certainly not going to apologize for that.

That notwithstanding, here I will present the second half of my original post, which I think is very fair and open-minded.

(06-24-2018 11:26 AM)MidJack Wrote:  I have not been able to figure this out:

- Peterson participated in developing Agenda 21 at the highest level
- Basically, Agenda 21 advocates a communist system...
- ... which Peterson says he is strongly against, specifically ideas like equity.
- The UN seems to have distanced themselves from Peterson...
- ... but he often informs the world that he was on the Agenda 21 panel.

The simplest explanation for these things is that once he was behind the curtain, he did not like what he saw and broke away from some powerful people. (People on these committees are always delegates of more powerful people. For example, John Podesta was there with Peterson.)

Who controls Peterson now? What are his intentions? I don't know the answers to these questions.

He could be controlled opposition.

He could be, indirectly, trying to wake up the west to what is really going on.

If he directly told the world there really is a scheme to implement a global Marxist system, the psychological backfire effect would cause people to move away from him.

He may have decided that playing a prophet and making compromises like 'don't anger the Jews" is the only way forward.

He is self contradictory and goes outside his expertise too often, and I think he is too optimistic about arresting the socio-political pendulum in a neutral position. Maybe he is doing some good though. Time will tell, I guess.

Edited to remove the claim that Peterson isn't listed by the UN as a contributor to the report.