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(06-03-2018 11:02 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Do you sometimes wonder why you never get repped even thought you try to agree with all the popular sentiments here?

I am not here to collect reps or to convince everyone that I am the cool kid. This is not high school, college or some social event where everyone is engaging in a dick measuring contest. This is akin to a think tank where men, yes men, give their inputs with respect to what they observe in the world. I am here to give my observations with respect to current events not debate how many fucking angels can dance on the head of a fucking pin. I am not perfect but I say it as I see it. If you agree, fine, if not, too bad. Btw, only women are obsessed with things like rep points or judging people by a number when as a guy, I view reputation as something I earn because I earn my bones and I am willing to put the effort into it, right or wrong. Are you sure you are not a woman because you sound like one with such a statement.

(06-03-2018 11:02 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I'm guessing you stagger in from /pol with the expectant attention span of a field mouse on cocaine, dropping your single sentence posts and thinking that's how we do things here too.

/Pol is a very useful site because they are a think tank of people who give their 2 cents with respect to their observations. What you see is what you get with little/no deception. Their statements and the statements and counter-statements of others aggregate into something akin to group intelligence. They are logic incarnate because they aim to find the facts, connect the patterns and read between the lines. Yeah they have their share of shills (looking at you Shareblue, Feds and JIDF since anyone with 2 neurons knows that you also lurk this site too) but they are often sidetracked because their arguments are not valid.


(06-03-2018 11:02 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Well let me indulge you and all the other anti-Peterson obsessives with a little reality check.

/pol and the young white male demographic was never a mere five minutes away from storming the battlements before Peterson arrived.

I aim to be part of "changing the culture", not "storm the battlements", that is how you fall into (((their))) trap. How I aim to be part of the change is to take what I learn from here, /pol, ZeroHedge, historical texts, etc. and aim to improve myself so I can improve others, male and female. I voted for Donald Trump because I supported his way of doing things and I did not want to see the world nuked into oblivion because of (((their))) hubris.

(06-03-2018 11:02 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I myself fell into the trap with a lot of members of imagining a violent uprising of white incels if it weren't for that pesky shill Peterson but give it a rest. It's a fucking fantasy. Video game, porn and /pol addicts are not a threat to the establishment. The second a bullet whizzed over their shoulder they would shit themselves and hide in the closet for the next decade.

I despise Peterson because he is a false prophet who takes Red-Pill knowledge and twists it for his and (((their))) goals. Many religious texts and even the Semitic claptrap the Book of Revelations warn of those with silver tongues who use knowledge to mislead and misdirect their followers (and direct them straight to hell may I add).

I do know people who obsess about video games and porn though, they are lost because they choose to be lost. They are omega to the core. However, it is a foolish assumption to make to assume /pol is only filled with Omega neckbeards the same way it is a foolish assumption to assume that the reason why men come to the Manosphere is to only get laid or they are loser nerd virgins who cannot get women.

(06-03-2018 11:02 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Whatever Peterson is or isn't, he's doing something and being effective doing it.

It is effective because people are always looking for a quick solution rather than figuring out how everything works. I see this all the time everywhere with people who are rabbit thinkers who are able to think quick on their feet but zone out when you ask them do you understand what you are doing or engaging in.

(06-03-2018 11:02 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  When are your one sentence posts on the RVF going to tip the balance of power, huh PR?

Life is a struggle. The strong survive and you are either the hunter or the hunted.
As a descendant from the original Indo-European tribes who conquered half the world whose descendants conquered the rest in due time to understand that, nothing comes easy, and what I have earned is because of my own merit to push myself to the extreme and seeking knowledge everywhere it is. I aim to change things by doing my part here and in the real world, no matter how small some things that I do are. Remember that great oceans form from small puddles.

(06-03-2018 11:02 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  See, at the behest of a friend I actually listened to a JPpodcast and as a father I gained real and valuable insight from it.

I have also gained insight from men who have failed in life and learned not to do those things that caused them to fail. I also spoke with people who are successful to understand how they succeed. They didn't use a man who speaks with a silver tongue as a crutch to help them, they put the effort in themselves. How is that for insight and guidance??


(06-03-2018 11:02 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  What am I suppose to weight that against, eh?

The great incel uprising of 2018Q3?

I pray for peace but I acknowledge that war may come and prepare for it accordingly. What is going on in this country right now is akin to what Rome went through in the 3rd century AD after the Severan Dynasty bit the dust. I do my part to help myself and others even though I am only one person. Apart from using Jordan "False Prophet" Peterson as your crutch, what are you doing to improve yourself in life??

Btw, with my responses, were you expecting something different??? Icon_biggrin
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266 one line posts and the 267th is an immaculately spaced quote-bubble fest.

Welcome back to the forum. Lets see how long it is until you get banned again.

Aside, I don't know why guys that get banned keep coming back. It seems unconscionably needy to me. It's like lying every time you hit the post button.
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Damn, I have been really digging Jordan Peterson stuff more than ever before.
I actually prefer him over Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder and other activists on YouTube.

I looked "Jordan Peterson" up on Google and he has 90 million results. Wow. I remember searching him couple months ago and it was like 70 million or something. Growing at very fast pace.

Cathy Newman interview on Youtube has 10mil view count. Wow.

I wonder what those numbers will be in a year or two...

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(06-03-2018 08:49 PM)bgbusiness Wrote:  Damn, I have been really digging Jordan Peterson stuff more than ever before.
I actually prefer him over Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder and other activists on YouTube.

I looked "Jordan Peterson" up on Google and he has 90 million results. Wow. I remember searching him couple months ago and it was like 70 million or something. Growing at very fast pace.

Cathy Newman interview on Youtube has 10mil view count. Wow.

I wonder what those numbers will be in a year or two...

That's the thing - the mainstream media keeps on inviting him. If he were truly dangerous than they would not do it.

They refuse to talk to guys like Jared Taylor and actual scientists who can also rip apart their arguments live on TV. But they don't do it, because they know that debating true opposition is not how it's done. They invited Tommy Robinson to try and discredit him, but stopped that after a time as it backfired.
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(06-03-2018 05:02 PM)PharaohRa Wrote:  Btw, only women are obsessed with things like rep points or judging people by a number when as a guy, I view reputation as something I earn because I earn my bones and I am willing to put the effort into it, right or wrong. Are you sure you are not a woman because you sound like one with such a statement.

/Pol is a very useful site because they are a think tank of people who give their 2 cents with respect to their observations. What you see is what you get with little/no deception. Their statements and the statements and counter-statements of others aggregate into something akin to group intelligence. They are logic incarnate because they aim to find the facts, connect the patterns and read between the lines.
(06-03-2018 05:02 PM)PharaohRa Wrote:  I aim to be part of "changing the culture", not "storm the battlements", that is how you fall into (((their))) trap. How I aim to be part of the change is to take what I learn from here, /pol, ZeroHedge, historical texts, etc. and aim to improve myself so I can improve others, male and female.

Life is a struggle. The strong survive and you are either the hunter or the hunted.
As a descendant from the original Indo-European tribes who conquered half the world whose descendants conquered the rest in due time to understand that, nothing comes easy, and what I have earned is because of my own merit to push myself to the extreme and seeking knowledge everywhere it is. I aim to change things by doing my part here and in the real world, no matter how small some things that I do are. Remember that great oceans form from small puddles.

Apart from using Jordan "False Prophet" Peterson as your crutch, what are you doing to improve yourself in life??

Btw, with my responses, were you expecting something different??? Icon_biggrin

So let me get this straight....

Jordan Peterson is a "False Prophet"
Tommy Robinson is "controlled opposition"

Somehow their activistim isn't good enough for you, yet you cite reading ZeroHedge as a source for your knowledge to "push yourself to the extreme".


I have no doubt that /Pol has intellgent and insightful posters, but to use phrases like the bolded above, you come off as hurting their cause more than helping.

The only extreme thing I read in your post is the Gamma level declarations of superiority.

I don't have a lot of reps either but I can't say I ever tried to defend anyone's honor with statements that are borderline meme worthy:

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"Are you sure you are not a woman because you sound like one with such a statement."

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The rationalisation hamster is real...
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(06-05-2018 03:38 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  



The rationalisation hamster is real...

Nah - Ezra clearly said that he fired Faith only because she talked to Neo-Nazis. It did not matter whether she was critical or not - Ezra would not allow talking to them despite the fact that Vice and countless mainstream crews talked to them.

JP claims that she wasn't critical enough of them.

Also JP here shows that anything pro-white and anything related to a White Western ideology is instantly Nazi. Here he displays clear SJW symptoms - by that measure then he would not be able to talk to any mainstream sheisters, any college liberal and any SJW - currently those buggers are full-on Marxists, but he talks to them.

So clearly he is talking to commies, but he does not want to talk to anyone to the right of him. My guess is that he would never debate Jared Taylor, because then his pure anti-White stance would get blown open for everyone to see. He can win all the debates against the communists and far leftists, because they follow an insane ideology. Even the blessed Majid Nawaz here is all for "sensible" mass non-White migration and for more Muslims being imported in the West, because Islam is a indeed a Religion of Peace. Ultimately both JP as well as Nawaz are traitors to the West who are just saying that maybe we should not play Music on the Titanic. Maybe if we all kept quiet, then it would sink slower.
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I'm still not quite sure why everyone expected Faith to go full-retard in her interview with those neo-nazi guys. Seems pretty ridiculous from a journalistic integrity standpoint.

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(05-31-2018 05:03 PM)BlueResolute Wrote:  And that is why I can easily differentiate and treat black, Persian and Afghani friends just like I treat all other ones. I frankly don't see the race in personal contact. But I am not blind to mass-group-behavior that is endemic to cultures and tribes. In the past that used to be called just common sense.

A: Nobody is arguing for miss-migration. Their cultures are barbaric in many ways and we shouldn't import that here.

B: Nobody is arguing for a multi-cultural Utopia. That isn't mutually exclusive with saying "White Nationalism is a stupid platform".

Ultimately the crux of my argument is pretty simple.

I still have yet to hear anyone answer my point. If this needs to be a movement about whiteness, then WHY are you still here on a Middle Eastern man's forum?

The fact of the matter is that there's no room for someone like Roosh in a movement founded on white identity. It's just that none of you are brave enough to come out and say that on his forum.

Quote:Those comparisons are faulty. And no one is afraid of any British nationalism when there are 3-4 races and religions in equal number. That kind of civic nationalism in a 30% Muslim, 20% Indian, 35% British and 15% African society matters jack shit. You can "nationalize" all you want, but unless you put all the men into the military to go fight some Aliens, then you are in bad luck

So that's why they went to such dramatic lengths to stop BREXIT including rigging the polls?

Going from bottom to top.

They tried to rig Brexit because it was going to set them back a few years. Not stop them. Just set them back. It's no threat. It's just a delay. Brexit won. Where is your British nationalist utopia bearing down on the globalists? Any minute now?

But here you are again, desperately trying to equate members commenting on the stark realities of the day with being political activists trying to steer a "movement".

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to tell you this. I'm not sure this will ever get through to you.

This. Forum. Is. Not. A. Political. Movement.

It's not anything except a bunch of guys exchanging game tips, arranging a few meetups, shooting the breeze and debating the red-pill issues of the day.

The only people pushing a partisan political divide on the forum are you and guys like you demanding that nobody talk about issues you don't want discussed.

Bizarrely the so called "white nationalists" on the forum never ask for the non-whites to be kicked out, yet the "tolerant diversity" crowd on the forum are routinely calling for anyone using the term "white" non derisively to be cast into exile.

You're a social justice warrior policing "problematic, divisive speech" and invoking Roosh's ancestry as your deputy's badge. What's more, you're assigning a political movement to his brand and going further still to rule in and out what Roosh stands for.

I should wonder if he's noticed, and if not what will happen when he does. I'm pretty sure he doesn't need a 21-rep self appointed forum cop to protect him from the howwible waycists on his own forum.
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The rationalisation hamster is real...

I have been one of Peterson's biggest supporters, but even I admit this is weak.

Instead of speaking the truth, he is engaging in image control.

However, unlike many of Peterson's detractors, who expect him to be all things to all men, I simply see this as a sign that he is an imperfect human being, and this is something that I would forgive if a friend did it, so . . .

By the way, I don't think it was weak on ideological grounds, I think it was weak because Goldy was invited and then disinvited, which involves going back on your word. I think they should have kept their word to Goldy, taken whatever image hit resulted, learned from it, and then been more circumspect in the future about who they invited to their events.

But that is just a view from the sidelines.

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(06-05-2018 03:38 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  



The rationalisation hamster is real...

Nah - Ezra clearly said that he fired Faith only because she talked to Neo-Nazis. It did not matter whether she was critical or not - Ezra would not allow talking to them despite the fact that Vice and countless mainstream crews talked to them.

JP claims that she wasn't critical enough of them.

Also JP here shows that anything pro-white and anything related to a White Western ideology is instantly Nazi. Here he displays clear SJW symptoms - by that measure then he would not be able to talk to any mainstream sheisters, any college liberal and any SJW - currently those buggers are full-on Marxists, but he talks to them.

So clearly he is talking to commies, but he does not want to talk to anyone to the right of him. My guess is that he would never debate Jared Taylor, because then his pure anti-White stance would get blown open for everyone to see. He can win all the debates against the communists and far leftists, because they follow an insane ideology. Even the blessed Majid Nawaz here is all for "sensible" mass non-White migration and for more Muslims being imported in the West, because Islam is a indeed a Religion of Peace. Ultimately both JP as well as Nawaz are traitors to the West who are just saying that maybe we should not play Music on the Titanic. Maybe if we all kept quiet, then it would sink slower.

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(06-02-2018 12:43 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  If Jay Dyer had faith, he wouldn't say that Peterson's philosophy leads inexorably to incoherent solipsism, because he would believe that God is in control and that all things are working towards the good.

The Catholic Viewpoint:

No. This is a Fallen World. Corruption is the result of the Sin of the Fall, resulting in original sin in humans, and a disordered natural world. God can't turn Falsehood into Truth - since God is Goodness in himself, and the Absolute Truth, and, as such, has no need for deception, which is the Devil's Way.

Scripture says any trace of corruption taints a good act - you can't willfully Sin for good purposes. God can't stop the Corruption that our sins - chosen of Free Will - creates upon his creation (ourselves and the world). He can, however, use the - usually painful - results of these disorders as opportunities for our own personal sanctification. Whilst he can compel a Sinner towards Truth, they have to make the choice to repent and do penance to make restitution for the balance owed by their sin of their own Free Will.

In the early days of coming to God, you enter what is known as the Purgative State. You will be freely-graced with what is known as Consolation - the sense of being compelled or 'pushed', given the knowledge you seek, been given clear direction. It's a beautiful and humbling experience, but it doesn't lead to true holiness, only the sense of feeling holy.

You need to steel yourself for what happens next, because you are then put under, well, tentation. And the older versions of the Lord's Prayer takes on a much deeper meaning, for it means not only the temptations of sin, but also the state of being tested via painful trial.

This is the second stage of The Purgative State. You will Fall, and hard, and not understand why, when you thought were doing everything right. No, you were doing everything right by your disordered will's view of God's will, not His actual will.

Consolation is suddenly withdrawn, almost cruelly, because God wants you to love him perfectly, not just because he graces you. He wants to know you don't love his graces more.

I'm going through this now: it's brutal. You see yourself as God sees you, and you truly understand that it's all or nothing, and every little thing matters. It's the dawning horror of truly-realising you would rather die than to keep offending God.

This is where people usually turn their back on God, because they're not prepared to suffer the - incredibly painful - burning away of their sinful nature to purify themselves, or they despise God and return to their own lives.

I didn't know any of this. I prayed with true repentance for guidance to understand how I had failed, and then, within a few hours, multiple casual references all lead to this knowledge, (the true revelation of an oft-repeated name on a regular podcast, a footnote in that day's bible reading, a book I was looking at), allowing me to research the state, and the - very hard - knowledge of what to do next has snowballed.

Unsurprisingly, my sister is on the edge of it too, so the next morning, she said "I really make excuses to myself for not doing the painful work, don't I?" We've both come to instinctively-understand the Generational Curse upon our family over the last 18 months, and have been quietly working on repairing in. We've realised we've both dance around the core issue, and now have to somehow repair a vicious family wound that dates back thirty-five years.

We talked about how much this is going to hurt, to truly forgive without using the hurt to wound in return, then laughed how insignificant it really is compared to the sufferings of Jesus and Our Lady during the Passion.

We understand we are giving back to God what is rightfully-owed Him, and this is how we can be purified.

As such, it's not a matter of all things working naturally towards the good or him using Evil for Good purposes. It's him offering us Grace and Strength to bear the painful emotional sacrifice of giving to him what is rightfully-owed him against the selfish and spiteful drives of our Free Will to rebel against this. We can't make a Evil Act Holy, since by it's very nature it's an Evil Act, (Anti-Natural Law, and so, disordered). However, we can avoid or repair the lasting effect our Free Will response to an Evil Act can inflict upon our Immortal Souls.

Which leads to your next point:

Quote:If you are going to take a Christian point of view, which critics like Dyer and Vox Day claim to have, first of all, you are not supposed to judge non-Christians by Christian standards, and second of all, you have clear directives in the Bible not to be a mocker, and to turn the other cheek, and yet guys like Day and Dyer sound sometimes like schoolyard bullies making fun of an underclassman.

How can two people who don't even live up to their own philosophy be taken seriously when they accuse someone else of being in error or not living up to his?

The hypocrisy is amazing.

Again, no.

'Judge not, that you not be judged' makes sense in greater context, not isolated for one's convenience to win the current argument, the way the Left do. It means, under the Natural Law, you have no Legal Right to Finally-Condemn someone, particularly as the New Covenant would be doing away with traditions like stoning. Final Condemnation is God's decision alone. This means you have to forgive someone who is seeking penitence under the Law, with the genuine openness of your heart, usually by encouraging introspection and self-examination so that you don't accuse others of the sins you have committed.

However:

It does not mean you have to tolerate sinners, or encourage heretics. You are told to flee from bad company, and avoid the near occasion of sin. This implies the necessity of making value judgements between what conforms to the Natural Law, and what doesn't.

In Roman Catholicism, you are tasked with the Seven Corporal and Seven Spiritual Works of Mercy. Two of the latter are to Admonish the Sinner, and to Instruct the Ignorant.

Look:

You are within your rights to admonish sinners if you understand that you too are a sinner, and the best way to do this is to see their sin reflected in yourself, so that you can then compassionately and effectively-help them to stop. Jesus even tells us to do so:

"Look well to yourselves. If thy brother sin against him, rebuke him: and if he do penance, forgive him."

St Paul writing to Timothy:

"Preach the word, urge in season, out of season, reprove, beseech, rebuke in all patience and doctrine."

Some are better at this than others, but, understand, they are in their legal right to call out Peterson.

Quote:They are pretending, for the sake of their own proud feels, not to be sinners themselves and going hog wild.

God can and does work through whoever he wills, and he is not taking directives from Dyer or Day, no matter how righteous they feel themselves to be.

So, you're saying God obviously-isn't influencing them, but he is influencing Peterson? How can you discern the deep truth of a penitent heart, and what goes on in the confessional when one party clearly says he doesn't believe in a Literal God, and the other two do? I've heard Vox Day call himself a Sinner in the past. My Sister and I were both calling ourselves Sinners yesterday in conversation, but the most important part of this is doing such before God:

Quote:And to some who trusted in themselves as just, and despised others, he spoke also this parable: Two men went up into the temple to pray: the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee standing, prayed thus with himself: O God, I give thee thanks that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, as also is this publican. I fast twice in a week: I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not so much as lift up his eyes towards heaven; but struck his breast, saying: O god, be merciful to me a sinner. I say to you, this man went down into his house justified rather that the other: because every one that exalteth himself, shall be humbled: and he that humbleth himself, shall be exalted.

It's not about your perception of Vox or Jay's Christianity: it's how they privately-humble themselves before God, whom them makes the decision on whom is righteous or not. With my Sister and I, I initially said "I can forgive this old injury if I can see genuine repentance on his face and he asks for forgiveness." That was my will talking. With further study and research today, no, I was wrong. I need to simply say, "I can truly forgive this old injury." God offers him final judgment, as is his Right. My Sister and I have fulfill our duty to the Law by forgiving him, and that is all we need to concern ourselves with.

This doesn't mean to take on board every opinion. As my understanding deepens, I simply see who spouts open heresy and who doesn't, and who has awareness of their own sinful nature. I often wound people I care about through carelessness, or the Disorders of my own will. I have to face that fact that I have a couple of thousand injured parties under my belt due to my lustful passions.

Remember, I said Desolation involves the true understanding of your severe culpability under the Law.

Quote:I would say the two of them are woefully bereft of spiritual discernment, and are foundering on the sharp rocks of coldly literal, overly analytical, and ultimately cold hearted rationalism.

...which is what men are tasked to be, due to the Natural Law. Men are expected to respond with rationality in any situation because they are tasked to serve the truth, frequently in life and death situations where feelings can't be allowed to matter. Women are always cursed to respond emotionally, because of their uncontrollable desire to rebel against the Natural Law. This is why women who try to take on the male role end up miserable and half-insane. This is also why Feminine Women are drawn to rational, controlling men, who balance out their worst instincts, which makes them want to be submissive to them. It's why Men and Women need each other to be complete.

'Cold hearted' is a subjective emotional value judgement favoured by the female point of view, because women don't tend to understand the deeper sacrifices men make for their family.

You're criticizing them for being masculine. You're doing it in an emotional manner. I've paid attention to how easily-dismissed valid disagreements are on here by particular men, and how often this is sold as emotional defect rather than attacking the truth of the argument, where you can be mocked and labelled a 'conspiracy theorist' for, say, accurately-repeating what the Jewish Media writing for a Jewish Audience says. This is good, it means I'm serving the Truth - we're promised ridicule for doing so - and they're serving Deception, which means I can sense who leads disordered lives. Hell, I've even noticed who jumped on the concept of Gamma as a weapon to wield in any argument.

Hence, I know what to expect from, say, Trump, who has publicly-stated he doesn't believe in asking God for forgiveness. Then he doesn't serve the Truth, and his backers and his circle are evidence of that. Disorder will follow.

Meanwhile, Peterson's fanboys seem to keep responding to even the mildest criticism of the man in any forum with pompous, emotional rants, which is why I've long thought, whatever he claims to be teaching them about being a man, obviously doesn't work. He seems, like 'Rick and Morty', to be Gamma Bait. They respond in the Feminine manner.

What's funnier, is that one of his rules is this:

Quote:Assume the person you are listening to might know something you don’t.

His own followers are the evidence that his influence hasn't worked.

Quote:Jordan Peterson is a gift to all men everywhere. He is teaching people to take responsibility for themselves and for their societies instead of being demoralized resentful snowflakes, and young men are flocking to him and changing their lives jsut by changing their mindsets.

No, this sounds like hyped-up rhetoric from a Press Release distributed to everyone in the media who is tasked to write about him. If you write "Album of the year!" enough on a press release, you'd be surprised how often they'll repeat it, unchecked.

I've yet to see any evidence of this, particularly as Peterson hasn't been around long enough to accurately-judge the long-term effectiveness of his Self-Help Book and speaking tours. When I do see his fans, I inwardly-cringe. They're not men, at least, what I used to know as men before Millennials flipped us into the Berensturn universe.

Quote:And all people want to talk about are the Jews, race *realism,* and all about how he is secretly a puppet of the global masters.

Except Vox Day didn't. He went - quite clearly and methodically, if you have ears to hear - through Peterson's arguments and challenged them intellectually, particularly his heretical speech. Vox is within the Law to smack him down: Peterson wasn't interested in showing any Penitence towards demonising someone like Adam Piggott - who has always struck me as truthful - so, he can suffer the rebuke his actions have earned. That video of him weaseling his way around the Faith Goldy situation, breaking another one of his purported rules, clearly shows a servant of Deception.

The Cult building around this man - and, at first I thought it was simple Hype, but it's increasingly-becoming a Cult - has made me upgrade him from my initial summation of him - deeply-uninteresting - to, well, dangerous. I thought he'd blow over, but even the toxic Left Wing media here are celebrating him, under the tried-and-tested Anti-Authoritarian Cool method: which is, historically, how power sells the perception of threats to their power whilst being no genuine threat at all.

Quote:This is all fine for atheists, but if you have a spiritual bone in your body, you have to know that the global elites aren't in power, they are only in power for now.

No. Christians are promised persecution, mockery, and suffering in their mortal lives, since Satan controls the world, which Christ says again and again in the Bible. Christ doesn't come back the second time to save us - the 1000 years Reign of Peace is another weird - as always, American - Heresy - he comes back to end the old earth and bring about the new, with results in a purification of the entire world and everything on it with fire. The small mercy is those who have already purified themselves under the natural law - paying what is rightfully-owed to God for their transgressions - don't feel pain. The rest burn with the full pain of their sins. But all passes away, to then be judged.

This is all Catholic Doctrine.

My sister and I were talking about this the other night. We sense to purify ourselves now is God's Will, and the final purification fire came up in discussion. To no surprise to me, it was mentioned in yetserday's Missal reading:

Quote:But the day of the Lord shall come as a thief, in which the heavens shall pass away with great violence, and the elements shall be melted with heat, and the earth and the works which are in it, shall be burnt up. Seeing then that all these things are to be dissolved, what manner of people ought you to be in holy conversation and godliness? Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of the Lord, by which the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with the burning heat? But we look for new heavens and a new earth according to his promises, in which justice dwelleth. Wherefore, dearly beloved, waiting for these things, be diligent that you may be found before him unspotted and blameless in peace.

I was about to send it to her, when she texted me to say that something else we'd discussed was in a short podcast she listened to this morning and it 'seemed important'.

Seek the truth and you shall find it, to the extent you can't avoid finding it.

However, Peterson isn't it.

He's the product of a Corrupt Institution that serves Deception, sold by a Corrupt Media Complex that serves Deception. His intentions, therefore - no matter how well-intentioned he mistakenly-believes them to be - can only result in corruption.

Whilst I'd expect the same of Vox Day, I'm often surprised at his blunt revelation of Uncomfortable Truth. Somehow, he sees. Note, however, I don't serve Vox, and don't take everything he says as Gospel. He's simply less false than Peterson.

Interestingly, the older Catholic books I'm reading through are filled with Uncomfortable Truths, ones that are sometimes painful to accept.

Catholics are tasked to speak up. Cowardice is NOT a virtue, though it can be mistaken for one. That reminds me, today's first Missal reading was St Paul to Timothy: God has not given us the Spirit of Fear.
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I'm relieved to see that you're speaking in defense of Vox on this matter, Bosch; I have been as well, albeit hesitantly.

I perfectly understand all the criticisms of Vox. I see them as well. I see how it's bad optics, how it can be used to easily attack his character (your'e a Gamma, you're jealous, you're whatever)... but his criticisms are also correct.

Peterson is a brilliant man, but his work is forming a cult, and at the core of it lies deception. Nothing good will come of this.

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(06-06-2018 06:28 PM)Aurini Wrote:  Peterson is a brilliant man, but his work is forming a cult, and at the core of it lies deception. Nothing good will come of this.

Add in the fact that many men that are drawn to Peterson on a personal level, see with as father figure they never had. This does not forbore well for many in the near future.
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It's a shame. There are a lot of guys with their heads on straight who see the good in Peterson's work for the value it provides, and they're mentally capable of taking or leaving the politics regardless of where JP directs them in that regard.

But there are also a great deal of young men who I agree are likely drastically over-represented in fatherlessness who are latching onto him as a father figure slash messiah.

Strange times. It's just occurred to me. I'm not sure if there has ever in the history of mankind been such a large population of fatherless males in a single society. Talk about uncharted territory.
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(06-07-2018 07:27 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  It's a shame. There are a lot of guys with their heads on straight who see the good in Peterson's work for the value it provides, and they're mentally capable of taking or leaving the politics regardless of where JP directs them in that regard.

But there are also a great deal of young men who I agree are likely drastically over-represented in fatherlessness who are latching onto him as a father figure slash messiah.

Strange times. It's just occurred to me. I'm not sure if there has ever in the history of mankind been such a large population of fatherless males in a single society. Talk about uncharted territory.

There have been other times with some 30% female overhang due to all the deaths in wars. However that was still with the patriarchy intact and a saner worldview on all things gender prevalent. Young boys simply learned from older boys and men.

Now it's all feminized or put into a very negative viewpoint.

In the past a society that deviated that much from a sane equilibrium was simply conquered - sometimes by superior and sometimes by inferior tribes.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out since the globalists already control pretty much the entire world and have some 50-70 years in technological advantage in their backwater weapons arsenal. So conquest is only an option when it comes from an Alien world. The only other option is that humans, entire nations start to rebel against the mass conditioning. The novels 1984 and Brave New World had panned out both systems that were supposedly designed to work for millennia. Though somehow I doubt it - there is always something stronger and more powerful beyond the current rulers - and even human nature can surprise them just as life can.
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And there's always the possibility of a natural black-swan event.

We've discussed it before but another Carrington event would pretty much flip the table.
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Quote:Hence, I know what to expect from, say, Trump, who has publicly-stated he doesn't believe in asking God for forgiveness. Then he doesn't serve the Truth, and his backers and his circle are evidence of that. Disorder will follow.

Trump never said that.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/trump...eo-141856/

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https://www.dailywire.com/news/31375/wok...ly-zanotti

Quote:Joss Whedon spent most of last week defending political comedian Samantha Bee, who used a derogatory slur against Ivanka Trump — an incident Bee was later forced to admit was over the line.

But to further solidify his "woke feminist" credentials, Whedon topped off his campaign against one of the nation's most influential women by attacking professor Jordan Peterson for the crime of — of course — pointing out the hypocrisy of woke feminists.


Quote:In fairness to Mr. Whedon, these last few months have been quite the trying time for the outspoken progressive. After spending years touting his own feminist credentials, The Wrap revealed last year, during the #MeToo wave of sexual harassment allegations that swept the entertainment industry, that Whedon was a serial philanderer.

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He's just trying to get his feminist credentials back. I'd love for someone like Dave Chapelle or Gervais to rip the piss out of him. I mean, his behaviour is worthy of an entire 'bit', as comedians call them.

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How long have you been a Christian, debeguiled?
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LA Times wouldn't write an article about Peterson unless he's been pre-approved by the mass media in some degree or another.

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