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(06-07-2018 01:58 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

https://www.dailywire.com/news/31375/wok...ly-zanotti

Quote:Joss Whedon spent most of last week defending political comedian Samantha Bee, who used a derogatory slur against Ivanka Trump — an incident Bee was later forced to admit was over the line.

But to further solidify his "woke feminist" credentials, Whedon topped off his campaign against one of the nation's most influential women by attacking professor Jordan Peterson for the crime of — of course — pointing out the hypocrisy of woke feminists.


Quote:In fairness to Mr. Whedon, these last few months have been quite the trying time for the outspoken progressive. After spending years touting his own feminist credentials, The Wrap revealed last year, during the #MeToo wave of sexual harassment allegations that swept the entertainment industry, that Whedon was a serial philanderer.

"Incel"

Unfuckingbelieveable.

says the man who's only possibility of getting fucked regularly outside of escorts, were the female casts of his various series fucking him for the sole purpose of getting ahead. How can they have not self awareness of the human mind (or his own mind) and yet be a story writer and a great one at that?

Remind me, how did this man help create Firefly again?



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Another balding fat fuck too lazy to workout so he panders to feminism in hopes of getting some pussy.
That guy looks like a serial pedophile. I wouldn't be surprised if he was posessed by some demon.

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Bosch has a good explanation of Whedon here

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I listened to the JP interview of the globalist traitor scum Majid Nawaz who poses as Muslim relativist while being effectively for all the globalist goals out there including feminism.

JP clearly compared anyone on the Alt-Right, anyone Identitarian automatically to Hitler. He actually used that term. I think that anyone to the right of him is automatically Hitler. So the far left calls him Hitler and he is perfectly willing to talk to them, but he would not talk with anyone who might actually prevent the dispossession and extermination of the White Western civilization.

And he can shove his "dialogue of Islam with Christianity" up his ass. How long does it take to read the Quran, Sira and a few choice Hadiths? He tiptoes around the issue knowing full well that this insane ideology cannot be allowed in the West.

Two traitors and destroyers of the West among each other.

You should listen to some of Nawaz' show snippets how he comes down hard on anyone showing displeasure with the fact that the native Brits are becoming a minority in their countries and that the culture is being dispossessed.

Then he cuts them off brutally and screams at them. And oh - yeah - he names the Muslim rape problem, but Islam cannot be the issue here according to him. They suckled that shit out of their asses. He also uses terms like Beatles Jihadis - guess the Beatles music made them do it.

Both traitors - beginning to despise that JP guy.
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That is an outright lie Zel. And they are starting to become recurring. He said what he always does. He doesn't like identity politics no matter who does it, that he goes after Leftists more because they dominate the narrative. And on the alt-right he said it's simple another kind of identity politics but that now some whites want to play it too. Maybe you expected that most people wouldn't even bother hearing the interview. Heck, he said "To use a casual comparison to someone like Hitler is an appalling ethical crime."

I actually don't quite agree with his radical individualism, even if it would be not such a bad idea if everyone played that game. JP has some faults, I don't quite like his avoidance of the Jewish question too. It could be approached in a tactful manner though I understand the tactical move. Moreover, the Faith Goldy thing is not much to my liking too, even though I frankly think she is another attention-seeking Patreon peddling E-THOT.... Free-Speech should be free-speech.

As for the Islam thing, he said he "DOES NOT ASSUME" all ideologies to be compatible with Western democracies, regarding Islam. Also said he had a hard time conceptualizing Islam because of how religious-political it is. Slammed them for lack of individual rights and responsibilities. As for the "dialogue", if you read between the lines "it has to be determined whether these religions can really coexist or not", and then factor in WHAT HE SAID in the PREVIOUS 2-3 about Western democracies and it's incompatibility with ideologies like Islam, while he ALSO pointed out the Christian tradition in much of the good that existed in Western democracies.

I, REALLY; dislike this sort of intellectual dishonesty. Having listened to the whole interview, you are being purposefully dishonest or your interpretation skills are faulty to say the least. I like you man but sometimes you go off the rails!

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That's why I stopped engaging with him. He started making similar false statements and accusations about my positions so I have very little interest in having an argument with someone who can't even be bothered to respond honestly to what was written.
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(06-08-2018 06:34 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  That's why I stopped engaging with him. He started making similar false statements and accusations about my positions so I have very little interest in having an argument with someone who can't even be bothered to respond honestly to what was written.

There are two alternate ways to let someone know you agree with them, and in this case also mark yourself as a hypocrite.

You can like their post and/or send them a PM indicating you like their post.

However, engaging in sad little displays of public cliquedom is feminine behaviour, something you're developing a reputation for displaying.

Check your pantry for soy.
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Fast forward to 19:40: he describes what the radical left does - "...... assume that I am on the farthest end of the political spectrum away from you as possible along with the reprehensible Nazis and the Alt-Right types and just assume that that's me."

That is a 100% quote.

So where I am dishonest? He calls the Alt-Right about as right at the Nazis.

Now you might say that I extrapolate and the Japanese and Israeli immigration model is exactly the one advised by many on the the Identitarian and Alt-Right, but that is also a fact.

Don't know if people are aware of it, but the Japanese lock up their prospective asylum-seeking immigrants for 6 months behind bars regularly - even if they speak the language or have family. The Israelis deport black Jews who had called themselves Jewish for centuries while importing white Russians of whom one husband or wife had one Jewish grandparent. That policy is clearly racially based and not religious.

I get it that JP decries all collective movements to the right of him, but in this context he clearly did the same as the SJWs do to him. That is why he de-platformed Faith Goldy - she is certainly not a Nazi-sympathizer herself and he knows that. He just does not want Whites to have any collective identity - not the one practiced Israel, not the one practiced in Japan, not the one practiced in China and not the one practiced by all surviving tribes in all of human history.

As for Islam - I am sure that he is more critical behind doors, but touts the PC-line here.

But don't just accuse me of twisting words - he did say that.

IF I say - those evil guys like Hitler, Stalin and LemonedIscream truly are reprehensible. You see what I did there? I really don't like the ones on the far-extreme like ISIS and Easy_C.

If you miss that little nuance of his, then I am afraid that I cannot help you.

As for he - he will ignore you too Easy_C. His highness shall not be addressed directly by commoners like you. You are correct to not assume direct speech with me.
His highness will not stoop to those levels. Also as a side note Easy_C - his highness understands that your views are not that far apart from his highness' views, but the steps that need to be taken to save Western civilization are highly different. It's just that his highness has a different understanding of it. JP's ideas will do nothing to counter the destruction of the West - but at least the Younglings can learn to wash their asses and clean their rooms.
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He places them in the same spectrum. And while the Alt-Right (mostly) prefers voluntary segregation and wouldn't run around killing minorities, they do have SOME similarities. With the Alt-Right being obviously much more tame. Also, HE DID NOT SAY they are "automatically" compared to Hitler, never. He said a while after that "casual comparisons to Hitler are an appaling ethical crime", I said this above again and you seem to have disregarded it. AGAIN.

And I find it funny you corrected it now, because he used that same sentence to describe what the Left does to him, in order to distance himself BOTH from the radical left and so called Far-Right. I don't see what's wrong with that. Should someone allow themselves to be ideologically slandered routinely?

As for the identity politics, I will say one thing, either everyone plays it or nobody does. I think his intentions regarding individualism and gaining control of lives are good and he is afraid of totalitarianism because of his fixation with Nazis and the USSR. HOWEVER; HE DOES NOT, tolerate identity politics by other minority ethnic groups in Western countries, which in my view does not make him a hypocrite for not endorsing white ethnostates or identity politics.

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< I don't think that he is a traitor by design. He believes in what he says.

He should go to Israel and preach them the values of individualism and tell them to shy away from Jewish collectivism because look what has happened in the past with it with the Jewish Bolsheviks - that mass murder on the Christian Russians, the Tsar family and the Ukrainians is on them.

JP should go and tell the Native American tribes to also focus on individualism and not be concerned with retaining their tribe. And finally he should go travel to Japan, China - convince them of the virtues of more individualism.

Somehow JP has imbued himself with the notion that all collectivism for Whites is wrong, trying to keep Western countries which were created by Whites - that should also be wrong to keep them white majority. But ALL OTHER COUNTRIES AND TRIBES ARE FINE WITH RETAINING THEIR COLLECTIVE IDENTITY! And why the fuck do I have to defend common sense here? I get it that minorities are nervous about the Nazis. But the elite are not nervous for white countries to go back to becoming Nazis. They don't think this - they just want to wipe out their uniform cultures and tribes, so that they can rule over them better. They know that the Nazis are not going to return. That is just bullshit taught to the useful idiots.
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(06-07-2018 01:15 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Trump never said that.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/trump...eo-141856/

He's proud but not that proud.

Look. I really don't see what you're all not seeing in the man that I am. I watched the original interview at the time. Now, that article is simply Trump putting spin on his first statements. That's what Trump does: constantly shift the truth so no-one knows what he really thinks.

This is NOT a virtue.

Quote:Let your talk be, Yea, Yea. No, No: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

His spin makes the issue worse. The original issue:

Quote:"I'm not sure I have ever asked God's forgiveness. I don't bring God into that picture."

Note the bible quote earlier about the Publican who understands that he's a Sinner.

Quote:Trump clarified further about forgiveness in the church setting saying, "When I go to church and when I drink my little wine and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of forgiveness. I do that as often as I can because I feel cleansed. I say let's go on and let's make it right," declared Trump.

He just called the body and blood of my Lord 'my little wine' and 'my little cracker'. Do you understand how blasphemous that is?

Note: 'I guess'. It's clear he doesn't understand what Christ's sacrifice is really about. Note he doesn't discuss confession beforehand. He has to ask God - via a Priest - for forgiveness of his sins before taking the Eucharist, or he's not in a State of Grace, and to receive the host is then a mockery of the Sacrament.

Quote:First, you must be in a state of grace. "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup" (1 Cor. 11:27–28). This is an absolute requirement which can never be dispensed. To receive the Eucharist without sanctifying grace in your soul profanes the Eucharist in the most grievous manner.

My go-to prayer book is from 1891: The Catholic Prayer Book Compiled Chiefly For The Use Of Soldiers. It clearly states that if you haven't Confessed - particularly if a Priest isn't on the Battlefield - you can only perform an Act of Spiritual Communion. Or even, in a church, you'd stay and pray on your knees as those in the State of Grace go to the Communion Rail. One example is as follows:

Quote:O my most loving Saviour, since I cannot have the happiness of receiving Thee this day, suffer me to gather up the precious crumbs that fall from Thy table, and to unite myself to Thy divine Heart by faith, hope and charity. I confess I do no deserve the children's bread; but I venture humbly to declare that, away from Thee, my soul is dried up with thirst, and my heart cast down with faintness. Come then, into me, O my divine Jesus! Come into my mind to illuminate it with Thy light; come into my heart to enkindle in it the fire of Thy love; and to unite it so intimately with Thy own, that it may be no more I that live, but Thou that livest in me, and reignest in me for ever.

From the 1582 Rheims New Testament, with a very detailed footnote on the Corinthians extract above, so important that it ends up totaling three pages of tiny spaced text:

Quote:For it is a deadly sin to receive any Sacrament with will and intention to continue in Sin, or without repentance of former sin.

Why? Because the whole discussion is about Paul describing the Real Presence of the Body and Blood of Christ in the Sacrament, and what Trump is discussing is what is described "the heinous offense of unworthy receiving."

Quote:A man must examine his life diligently, whether he be in any mortal sin, and must confess himself of every offense which he knoweth or feareth to be deadly, before he presume to come to the Holy Sacrament.

Wine and a Cracker!

Why does Trump 'guess' that it a form of forgiveness? Watch what follows:

Quote:I do that as often as I can because I feel cleansed. I say let's go on and let's make it right," declared Trump.

He FEELS cleansed. That's the poison, right there: what you feel cleans you, not what doctrine tells you is necessary under the Natural Law to genuinely have reconciled your spiritual debt to God.

This is what I've spoken before as the New Religion that has skinned most of the Churches and is wearing them as a coat: the Cult of Man. It's not what God commands is Right, it is what Man feels is Right. Pope Francis is one of these idiots, and so were the previous two Popes. Part of the changes at Vatican II were to shift the religion from being Christ Centered to Centered on Man.

So, unsurprisingly:

Quote:Trump too was asked about his faith in God and he elaborated on his admiration with his former pastor, Norman Vincent Peale. Trump said he could listen to Peale, who passed away in 1993, "all day long" and praised his book, The Power of Positive Thinking.

'The Power of Positive Thinking' is a classic example of this new and false religion. It involved a concept called 'Imaging':

Quote:It consists of vividly picturing, in your conscious mind, a desired goal or objective, and holding that image until it sinks into your unconscious mind, where it releases great, untapped energies. It works best when it is combined with a strong religious faith, backed by prayer, and the seemingly illogical technique of giving thanks for benefits before they are received. When the imaging concept is applied steadily and systematically, it solves problems, strengthens personalities, improves health, and greatly enhances the chances for success in any kind of endeavor.

No, no, NO! This is that weird American Prosperity Gospel garbage again. Note that this idea is re-seeded into the mainstream every so often, usually by celebrities. It was later successfully re-sold as 'The Secret'. It's interesting to note both Oprah and Trump push this idea, given that they're both given to hand signalling their allegiance to Mystery Babylon.

If you don't want to be lead astray: you HAVE to curtail your imagination at every opportunity. Under Demonology: each distracted flight of fancy opens a doorway that can be used by the Adversary. Look at how damaged the Left is, and then pay attention to how they dominate the Artistic and Entertainment Culture, and how they're the heaviest users of it. I had no idea of the depth of supernatural understanding I would be graced with by filtering as much as I possibly could out of my life over the last few years. Advertising, movies, television, music, comics, books, video games, even daydreams: it's all dangerous because it allows you to hide from a deeper understanding of yourself.

Even further, any kind of Passionate Fandom - and I know this a Musician - just seems to end up with a bunch of, well, broken people acting in the most toxic fashion. Look at the SJW's ruining everything at the moment, by deciding they 'own' Star Wars or Harry Potter or Comic Books. Do you know how many letters I used to get from people who thought I 'owed' them some enormous life debt because they bought a couple of my albums?

Keep that idea in mind about Passion.

Now, anything you desire of your own free will - the objective you are asked to focus on in these Imaging Gospels - is naturally-corrupt under the Law. It's only with God's Grace that we can be lead correctly, so it's what God desires for you, not what you think you desire, that will bring happiness and order. If you focus on the desire of your free will, you're drawn away from God. Peale is another dangerous idiot giving out advice that will damn people, because he wasn't serving God, he, like Jordan Peterson, was serving his personal definition of God, and those who aren't listening can be easily lead astray by the mislabeling.

This is what Peale said about His God, who is not The True God:

Quote:“Who is God? Some theological being? He is so much greater than theology. God is vitality. God is life. God is energy. As you breathe God in, as you visualize His energy, you will be reenergized!”

Under doctrine and demonology: anything called by the name God that isn't God (i.e. The Truth) is a demon. He was preaching demon worship.

If you think I'm being overdramatic:

Quote:“It’s not necessary to be born again. You have your way to God, I have mine. I found eternal peace in a Shinto shrine … I’ve been to Shinto shrines and God is everywhere. … Christ is one of the ways! God is everywhere.”

This is Satanic Blasphemy. There is one way, and one narrow gate. Note that Pope John Paul II started selling this idea, which Pope Francis also believes: all faiths are equivalent. This is fine: Catholics were warned that Satanists would take over the Church.

Note also that Oprah sells this same idea. Here's a video by her production company full of 'Cult of Man' imagery.





I've heard some people describe it as 'Selling Cowardice as Virtue Under the Brand of Tolerance', or 'The Cult Of Nice'. Feels-based, not rules based. Man is one, above God. Would you like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony? Hell, it's a small world after all.

I've seen this garbage all my life, and it's only accelerating.

Back to Trump:

Quote:Cooper followed up asking Trump if "asking for forgiveness" is a central tenet in his faith life.

"I try not make mistakes where I have to ask forgiveness," Trump answered.

Nice swerve. We all have the stain original sin. One very confronting Hard Truth I had to accept lately is we are fundamentally-incapable of making the correct moral choices without God's Graces. It's not our personal strength, it's God's strength working through us, that lets us do the right thing.

It was initially-horrifying to consider this, but once it clicked into place, everything around me gained a deeper clarity, and I can see why the Cult of Man sells ideas such as 'Believe in yourself', and 'You're the Perfect Version of You', and 'Celebrate Your Strength'.

Because they're all lies that make you worship yourself, not the Lord.

Your will is disordered: the idea is to NOT believe in yourself, believe in God, and he orders your life for you.

It's such an important idea that I don't think I possess the words to describe it, because it threatens to make the entire world cease to matter to you.

Which is the entire point: you're then in the world, not of the world, as you're supposed to be.

The question then becomes: "What is God's will?" I'll come back to this.

Quote:When further asked about repentance again by Cooper, Trump said "I think repenting is terrific."

'Terrific'. This is the type of baby-kissing blather that drives me up the wall.

Quote:"Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?" asked Trump. "I work hard, I'm an honorable person."

Can you see how Trump is the Pharisee, not the Publican? Can you understand why I say, despite what you think he's saying, that he doesn't believe in God?

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I didn't have time to write this up yesterday, but I originally-wasn't going to write anything in this thread. It didn't seem to matter. I wrote two responses, and deleted both, then wrote the one I posted the next day. Was I being judgmental?

With prayer and requesting aid, I received clarity of understanding. Note it not what I think, it's what I'm lead to after asking for the Truth. So, unsurprisingly, I was wondering why there seems to be a recurring problem with people on the right side of politics being unable to detect a lack of ordered morality in the people they choose to follow. Milo, Kek, Trump, Candace Owen, Jordan Peterson, Richard Spencer, on and on.

It's almost like it's the Primary Defect of the Right: how the demons keep seeming to do damage.

I've been reading a work from the late 1500's: 'The Spiritual Combat' by Lawrence Scupoli. I ordered it a while ago thinking it was about something else entirely, and had taken so long to get here that I forgot I'd even ordered it. Unsurprisingly, it turned up a couple of days ago, just the exact time I both needed it, and had conquered the Desolate State to understand it.

Aurini, do you remember earlier this year, when I listed my suspicions as to the messages for the last three years, and then said I had a feeling that 2018 was about Putting on the Armour of God? This book says its how to don the Spiritual Armour: it's right there in the text. As I said, the knowledge came exactly when I needed it.

So, just after considering this defect, the next chapter was 'The Correct Use of Our Faculties", which describes how to correctly-order your Free Will:

Quote:The primary means is prayer, by which is sought the light of the Holy Spirit, Who never rejects those who earnestly-seek God, who delight in obeying His Law, and who, in all decisions, submit their own judgment to that of their superiors.

The second is a persistent application of serious and diligent examination of every object in order to distinguish the good from the evil. A judgment if formed, which is not in accord with external appearances, the testimony of our senses, or the standards of a corrupt world, but which is conformable to the judgment of the Holy Spirit.

Then we shall clearly see that what the world pursues with such eagerness and affection is mere vanity and illusion...

Prosperity Gospel anyone?

Quote:... that ambition and pleasure are dreams which, once shattered, are succeeded by sorrow and regret; that ignominy is a subject of glory, and sufferings a source of joy; that nothing can be more noble or approach the divine nature more closely than to forgive those who injure us, and to return good for evil.

We shall see clearly that it is greater to despise the world than to have it at one's command; that it is infinitely-preferable to submit to the humblest of men for God's sake, than to command Kings and Princes; that a humble knowledge of ourselves surpasses the deepest sciences; in short, that greater praise is due to whim who curbs his passions on the most trivial occasions, than to him who conquers the strongest cities, defeats entire armies, or even works miracles and raises the dead to life."

Note my persistent and diligent examination of objects to detect their moral worth seems to annoy people who resemble fans in their thinking. It was a flash of clarity for me. The next Chapter continues on "How To Form A Correct Judgment".

Quote:ANY DIFFICULTY in forming a correct judgment of the things we have just mentioned, and of many others also, arises from a superficial notion of love and hatred, from a hasty conception we might form of them at first glance. Since our reason is influenced by blind passions, everything appears in a far different light from that in which it should be considered. Whoever, therefore, desires to entrench himself against such a dangerous and common illusion must carefully preserve his heart free from all inordinate affection.

In other words, don't be a fanboy or a hater, or you will judge poorly.

Quote:When an object presents itself, let the understanding weigh its merits with mature deliberation before the will is permitted to embrace it if agreeable, or reject it if otherwise.

As long as the understanding remains unbiased by the passions, it will easily distinguish between truth and falsehood, between real evil masquerading as good, and real good under the false appearance of evil. However, as soon as the will is moved either to love or hatred by the object, the understanding cannot form a true estimate of it, because the affection disguises it and imprints an incorrect idea. When this is again presented to the will which already is prepossessed, it redoubles its love or hatred, pushes beyond all limits, and is utterly deaf to the voice of reason.

Hence, the frustration for me of examining any object without passion, the way I tend to. I've spoken before of my sense of being both participant and outside observer in every situation I find myself in. People will always assume there's passion involved in the judgment, rather than, say, something just being objectively-crap.

Quote:In this distorted confusion, the understanding plunges deeper and deeper into error and represents the object to the will in vivid colors of good and evil.

Consequently, whenever the rule laid down before, which is of the greatest importance on this occasion, is neglected, the two noblest faculties of the soul are bewildered in a network of error, darkness and confusion. Happy are those who strip themselves of all attachment to creatures and then endeavor to discover the true nature of things before they permit their affections to be attached, who formulate their judgments by the principles of reason, and particularly by the supernatural guides which the Holy Spirit willingly communicates, either immediately from Himself, or through those whom He has appointed as our directors.

Summing it up: the closer you are to traditional masculinity - emotionally removed - where girls are eternally annoying you by looking at you and asking you 'what are you thinking right now?', or by calling you a monster when you don't cry over a stupid Disney movie - the more correctly you will judge the moral worth of an object, particularly if you don't care about them.

I've met very famous people over the years, and, as a Producer Friend once commented to me, "You didn't give the slightest f...".

I tried to explain it. "Well, sure they made [genius album], but they also made [tacky 80's album with cheap drum machines]. I'd rather just see who they are."

A keyboard player I knew had the same attitude as me: "It's all awe-inspiring until they're asking for Take 95 and scumming cigarettes off you."

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After reading all that, I was suddenly struck with the need to talk to my sister, so we arranged to meet quickly on her way to work after she dropped my nephew off from school. I thought, initially, it was going to be about our Appointed Task, but we were going through our conversation, and she mentioned how hard it was to detect the truth at times.

I mentioned to her how I thought I failed the day before by posting a long-winded blog post correcting a false interpretation of someone I considered bad news, and I hated myself for getting involved, because did it really matter.

She explained a similar feeling, and we moved onto the next topic: I'd asked her to watch a short youtube video by one of the speakers I follow - no, no-one on the forum has ever mentioned him, which is how I know he's Correctly-Ordered - because I said it was deeply-related to what we were about to do.

She'd earlier said she was so pressed for time earlier, and I kind of knew she wouldn't have watched it, so I said "You need to watch it, that point you just said is expanded upon beautifully in it."

She swerved - I could see it happening - and then she discussed listening to an interview this morning, and how 'some of the points' the guy made FELT important.

Yes, it was Jordan Peterson.

And, having written what I wrote the day before, I understand why I wrote it: it was to stop her being lead astray. I could, quickly and succinctly, correct her emotion distraction via truth and reason, because she has the female tendency to wander off into being distracted by what FEELS good - note she read 'The Secret' back in the day - and tends to have a habit of grabbing onto what sounds right on a casual appraisal, because she's not detached enough.

She said "But it sounded like Truth."

"That's how they work: it'll sound very close to truth, whilst not being truth. Remember Matthew 24."

"See that you are not deceived..."

"Watch the video. It's Doctrine. It's Truth. You'll know it."

See how I was, well, pre-loaded with the knowledge to help her at the moment she needed it?
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LemonadeIceCream Wrote:HOWEVER; HE DOES NOT, tolerate identity politics by other minority ethnic groups in Western countries, which in my view does not make him a hypocrite for not endorsing white ethnostates or identity politics.

In my opinion, the three most damaging examples of minority groups in Western Countries are La Raza (Mexican identity politics), Black Lives Matter (American Black identity politics), and CAIR (Muslim identity politics).

I don't listen to everything Jordan Peterson says, nor read everything he writes (because it's too much volume in either case) - but I don't recall him criticizing either of these groups by name the same way he criticizes the Alt-right by name.

Can you provide three examples of him criticizing reach of these groups by name?
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Again, I should stress, JBP attacks identity politics as a whole on numerous occasions, doing it by name is another story and it's not as if I count everything he says with minute precision...

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LemonadeIceCream Wrote:HOWEVER; HE DOES NOT, tolerate identity politics by other minority ethnic groups in Western countries, which in my view does not make him a hypocrite for not endorsing white ethnostates or identity politics.

In my opinion, the three most damaging examples of minority groups in Western Countries are La Raza (Mexican identity politics), Black Lives Matter (American Black identity politics), and CAIR (Muslim identity politics).

I don't listen to everything Jordan Peterson says, nor read everything he writes (because it's too much volume in either case) - but I don't recall him criticizing either of these groups by name the same way he criticizes the Alt-right by name.

Can you provide three examples of him criticizing reach of these groups by name?

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I must admit, if Peterson doesn't get out of politics and stay out of politics then on a personal level I'm not going to be able to defend the "good stuff" about him.

I could understand if he ran through that fire to get attention and draw focus to his work on psychology.

Well he has it. He has his attention. Millions of young men. More money than he knows what to do with. Sold out speaking events. Booked on God knows how many shows.

He has his attention to do the work he's cut out for.

If he doesn't quickly get the fuck out of politics then in my book he goes from well meaning to boomer cancer in need of excision.
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(06-07-2018 03:02 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  How long have you been a Christian, debeguiled?

I am finding discussions of spirituality on the forum and the internet in general to be, nonproductive, and I am not engaging in them anymore.

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I don't disagree with anything he said in the video of course.

The thing with him is that I think that he is a radical utopian individualist. His comments regarding South Africa show this clearly. He bemoans the economic inequality in such a society and calls the steps taken by their government terrible.

To any realists regarding race and culture the actions of the South African government are logical. The ANC instantly went into White-punishment mode and this is just another step along the line - one that will likely culminate in the attempt of total actual white genocide done by the military, prima nocte or other such extreme measures.

He essentially expects the Africans to listen to his non-tribal non-racial colorblind utopian individualism as much as Whtes do. But the reality is that Whites are already the most color-blind most individualist of all races and in they are becoming minorities in their countries now. In addition you have the far-left ideology which is financed and promoted by the likes of the UN and the globalists (and he worked for the UN recently). The UN was pushing that transgender and children rights' stuff decades ago.

So he says the right things, but when it comes to actions he shoots his mostly white awakening listeners in the foot saying: "You better believe in my own radical utopian individualism - it will certainly happen - just around the next rainbow bucko!"

No wonder that he is on the same platform as Ben Shapiro. He says the right things until it comes to Western identity vs Israel identity. Then suddenly his views regarding immigration become very globalist and very open while Israel is allowed to have an identitarian immigration policy denying even entry to African Jews who considered themselves Jewish for centuries.





Here he is crying about the evils of collectivism.

And I will tell you this - even if humanity reaches interstellar level of technology - we shall likely always remain a group-collectivist civilization.





Creating civilization is always a group effort. You can be an individualist while belonging to a larger civilization collective working together.





I think that statements of his as saying that a collectivist society would not have invented the car is interesting. Ford's US had very very tribal views on many issues and they were still individualist. A car is an individualist thing because it transports one person and not many? How about a horse? Is a horse a collectivist method of transport? Is a house that is not open to anyone collectivist? Seriously - that bloke cannot get his story straight.

It's as if someone chose him to deflect all the Whites from joining parties or movements that prevent their minority status in the West. All Western countries were working on the car - there were countless producers who worked on new production methods and factory settings - Ford was just one of the first ones in certain fields and had a head-start while Europe was engaged in WWI and the chaos and poverty coming out of it.

His conclusions frankly are puzzling at times. Also interesting that he says the first thing about the car IS THAT IT TRANSFORMS THE CLIMATE! So the global warming crap coming in promoted by the UN. Funny that he harks on about collectivism while the UN Agenda 21 plans to eliminate the private car in the next decades - the UN is the ultimate collectivist organization led by far-left radicals, but he was perfectly willing to work for them.
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LemonadeIceCream Wrote:Again, I should stress, JBP attacks identity politics as a whole on numerous occasions, doing it by name is another story and it's not as if I count everything he says with minute precision...

In my experience, the only identity-political group that Jordan Peterson has called out by name is the Alt-right.

He was asked more than once (by a questioner at one of his lectures, and by RamzPaul in YouTube video format) to condemn Jewish identity politics - but he refused, literally by saying "I can't..."

And he had a chance to condemn Muslim identity politics in England by commenting on the Tommy Robinson imprisonment - but he, instead, only condemned the "rape apologists" who refused to name the Muslim grooming gangs "serial rapists" or "rape gangs".

I don't know whether you're subconsciously lying about Jordan Peterson, or deliberately lying about Jordan Peterson - but you are lying about him.

He doesn't "criticize identity politics as a whole", nor does he "criticize identity politics equally, whether it's coming from the left or the right". He criticizes only White identity politics, and avoids criticizing Jewish and dark-skinned identity politics.
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(06-07-2018 03:02 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  How long have you been a Christian, debeguiled?

I am finding discussions of spirituality on the forum and the internet in general to be, nonproductive, and I am not engaging in them anymore.


That doesn't answer my question, guy. What the fuck?

Have you considered joining a church?
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(06-08-2018 01:28 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  
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(06-07-2018 03:02 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  How long have you been a Christian, debeguiled?

I am finding discussions of spirituality on the forum and the internet in general to be, nonproductive, and I am not engaging in them anymore.


That doesn't answer my question, guy. What the fuck?

Have you considered joining a church?

Looks like the condescending Gamma won't ever get his trolling questions answered now...

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(06-08-2018 05:20 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  
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(06-08-2018 12:59 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  
(06-07-2018 03:02 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  How long have you been a Christian, debeguiled?

I am finding discussions of spirituality on the forum and the internet in general to be, nonproductive, and I am not engaging in them anymore.


That doesn't answer my question, guy. What the fuck?

Have you considered joining a church?

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MMX was banned? Oi. I dindunuffin! Either way, he was accusing me of lying while lying himself. Quite interesting.

PS: I still don't believe why the hell does Israel have or Japan or what the hell ever have to be mentioned in every breath. Yeah, JP doesn't talk about those countries, he talks predominantly about Western Europe and North America because those are the ones most relevant to him culturally and where he has more followers. SO WHAT, it's the market audience, it does not automatically make him some shabbos goy or whatever. Jeez. The JQ must be debated with seriousness and all that stuff, but daaaaaaaaaamn. Better change the name of the forum or whatever.

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I was running out of time last night to fully-expand what I was writing:

The point is to not judge by your immediate passions, but to pause and consider the speaker, and research them.

Say, you hate the Left, and you see someone smacking them down. Your Free Will will immediately respect that person, and want to take their side. They might be very good at it (Peterson, Milo, Trump). That, however, doesn't mean they're on God's side.

I can see why Vox strikes everyone as a troublemaker: all he's doing is dispassionately-investigating certain parties, then pointing out that they're not exactly what people following their passions want to believe they are, which creates a disordered emotional fanboy sperg out in response.

Of course, he can still be selective - his (even joking) Sanctification of a Mass Killer shows he's disordered - which explains why he doesn't apply his same process to, say, Milo, or Q, or Cernovich.

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Remember how I said, if you're sincerely-seeking knowledge, you will be graced with all the answers you need when you need them. In my post a couple of days back I said you're in your right to rebuke people selling falsehoods, and quoted an often-quoted phrase from Saint Paul's Letter to Saint Timothy 4:2.

Guess what this morning's Missal Reading turned out to be?

And, in its proper context, it's even more perfect for this moment.

Quote:2 Preach the word, urge in season, out of season, reprove, beseech, rebuke in all patience and doctrine.

3 For there shall come a time when they will not bear sound doctrine; but according to their own desires they will heap to themselves Masters, having itching ears.

4 And from the truth certainly they will avert their hearing, and to fables they will be converted

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The margin note for 4:3: 'The Apostle prophesied of our new delicate Preachers'. They're speaking of the Schismatic Faiths that stem from the Reformation, but the True Word always can describe multiple events because it is Truth, and Sin disorders people in the same way, hundreds, or even thousands of years apart.

The footnote for 4:3, with my clarifications in brackets.

Quote:If this time ever comes (as needs it must now that the Apostle foresaw and foretold) now it is undoubtedly. For the properties fall so just in every point upon our new masters [Reformationists] and their disciples, that they seem to be pourtered out [being written about from observation of current events], rather than prophesied of. Never were there such Delicate Doctors that could so pleasantly calm and so sweetly rub the itching ears of their hearers, as these, which have a doctrine framed for every mans fancy, lust, liking and desire. [Note Imaging / Visualization, or the Feels-based changes of modern churches, to be nice and tolerant].

The people not so fast [not steadfast in their faith] crying speak placentia, things that please [tell us things are pleasing to man's will], but the Master as fast [steadfast in his faith] warranting to do placentia [Do things that are pleasing to God's Will].

Beautiful. Can you see what I was getting at in my last post: distrust your will and be suspicious of it. You are incapable of acting in an ordered fashion without God's Grace. Clamp down hard on your passions and desires, and control your imagination: even fantasies of Saintly Holiness can be used by the adversaries. Simply exist to serve God in a humble man as possible, not yourself. Elevation to Sainthood would be by his Grace, not from your desire for it.

It's all perfectly logical, like the beautiful inner workings of a vintage pocketwatch.
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(06-08-2018 06:31 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  I was running out of time last night to fully-expand what I was writing:

The point is to not judge by your immediate passions, but to pause and consider the speaker, and research them.

Say, you hate the Left, and you see someone smacking them down. Your Free Will will immediately respect that person, and want to take their side. They might be very good at it (Peterson, Milo, Trump). That, however, doesn't mean they're on God's side.

I can see why Vox strikes everyone as a troublemaker: all he's doing is dispassionately-investigating certain parties, then pointing out that they're not exactly what people following their passions want to believe they are, which creates a disordered emotional fanboy sperg out in response.

Of course, he can still be selective - his (even joking) Sanctification of a Mass Killer shows he's disordered - which explains why he doesn't apply his same process to, say, Milo, or Q, or Cernovich.

Ironically enough, I get the same vibe out of a lot of his readers. The type that go beyond being "readers" to the level of "fanboys". They tend to flip out at even the mildest criticism of Vox.

Personally I think it's kind of silly to expect any pundit or speaker to be a movement leader that you can hero worship. They are by definition commentators and NOT the men of action who actually effect change.

Quote:PS: I still don't believe why the hell does Israel have or Japan or what the hell ever have to be mentioned in every breath. Yeah, JP doesn't talk about those countries, he talks predominantly about Western Europe and North America because those are the ones most relevant to him culturally and where he has more followers. SO WHAT, it's the market audience, it does not automatically make him some shabbos goy or whatever. Jeez. The JQ must be debated with seriousness and all that stuff, but daaaaaaaaaamn. Better change the name of the forum or whatever.

I care somewhat less because that's not his area of expertise. There's no reason why he would know what the hell he's talking about when it comes to the history of any specific group. His expertise only extends to discussing the psychology of how groups form and operate.

This might sound a bit harsh but I care about his opinion there as much as I care about what Milton Friedman has to say about automotive maintenance. If it sounds harsh keep in mind JBP himself said that people should keep in mind their expertise and intelligence is both focused and limited.
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(06-08-2018 06:03 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  MMX was banned? Oi. I dindunuffin! Either way, he was accusing me of lying while lying himself. Quite interesting.

PS: I still don't believe why the hell does Israel have or Japan or what the hell ever have to be mentioned in every breath. Yeah, JP doesn't talk about those countries, he talks predominantly about Western Europe and North America because those are the ones most relevant to him culturally and where he has more followers. SO WHAT, it's the market audience, it does not automatically make him some shabbos goy or whatever. Jeez. The JQ must be debated with seriousness and all that stuff, but daaaaaaaaaamn. Better change the name of the forum or whatever.

Nah - has nothing to do with the JQ in this case. One could also cite some African countries which start to sperg out when a few hundred Chinese men start marrying their women.

But no one wants to move to those places, so non-African mass migration to their countries is irrelevant. The issue is JP's constant criticism of any White tribal conventional nature - civilizations functioning as uniform groups after all. He does this while ignoring other collectivist states and the entire collectivist human history that aligned itself always in racial and cultural tribes.

Israel's policy is just curious in that respect because it is clearly White-centric - a White ethno-state so to say. Also JP not a peep about it.

I wonder why people can be so blind to this and his conventional criticism of white Christian collectivism while letting any other tribe to have theirs. In that respect he is full-on globalist and SJW. In addition you have the topic of global warming - the biggest con in human history - "car is changing the climate". Didn't he read the long-range plans of Agenda 21 where they outlined the ultimate banning of all private cars? (or making them so expensive that most would not be able to afford it anyway)

And I haven't even looked at his Christian analysis where he dissects the scripture.

Why can't folk accept that we have a different view of him? It's not "lying". JP is a good globalist stooge.
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