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(04-10-2017 11:15 PM)Jameson Ranger Wrote:  Korean military service is compulsory for the men.

Aaaand that's all I needed to know.

Forcing people to waste a significant chunk of contiguous time doing make work is just a really good way to piss them off and make them hate the military.

The only compulsory service that makes any sense to me outside a time of total war is something like making all the men go through basic infantry training at minimum--3 months tops--and giving them basic kit to keep at home (rifle, armor, LBE). Then say "hey, we'll pay you $100 a day for drill weekends" or similar to encourage continued proficiency training. There are lots of ways to encourage people to keep their skills up without being a prick about it.

Even that way, I doubt it's worth making everyone do it in a nation with tens to hundreds of millions of people. Just letting people keep their kit at home and making the training voluntary would probably fill a huge reserve force.

But naturally, since that requires treating citizens with respect and trusting them, no government is likely to take that route.
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Best thing for NK would be a military coup followed by whichever general takes over handing the keys over to China. At least the Chinese could develop the country and bring it out of poverty. NK would be a millstone around SK's neck so if China wants to keep the US away from it's borders, take over NK and make overtures towards SK to be besties. Without a NK threat SK is free to unshackle itself from the US. Minus one headache for the US, minus one for China. It's very much in China's favour to castrate Kim Jong-Un to keep the US away.

Trump probably will strike NK at some point just to warn the Chinese to keep their dog on a leash.
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If Kim gets even a whiff of someone moving to kill him or do a regime beheading he will order every gun and missile to be fired at SK.

He'd order his military to force thousands of civilians into the DMZ as a meat wall.
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(04-10-2017 10:08 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 09:38 PM)Kona Wrote:  Is there a n. Korean sub 130 miles from California?

This is it.

[Image: nk-sub.jpg]



It's also the sub that sank the RMS Lusitania.

It has an Umbrella Corporation logo on the front hatch. Sink it, now.
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(04-11-2017 07:04 AM)weambulance Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 11:15 PM)Jameson Ranger Wrote:  Korean military service is compulsory for the men.

Aaaand that's all I needed to know.

Forcing people to waste a significant chunk of contiguous time doing make work is just a really good way to piss them off and make them hate the military.

The only compulsory service that makes any sense to me outside a time of total war is something like making all the men go through basic infantry training at minimum--3 months tops--and giving them basic kit to keep at home (rifle, armor, LBE). Then say "hey, we'll pay you $100 a day for drill weekends" or similar to encourage continued proficiency training. There are lots of ways to encourage people to keep their skills up without being a prick about it.

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Personally I lean more towards the Starship Trooper model. It's as yet untested but I'd say it's worth the gamble.
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He's saying the same source that said there is 75% chance Syria will be struck last thursdsay, is now saying North Korea strike has 50% chance of happening imminently. Judging by Trump' tweets and all other settings, it isn't that unlikely.

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(04-11-2017 06:53 AM)not-a-pua Wrote:  Why do people question an attack on NK is imminent?
Remember Iraq. Warned, bombed. The fleet is already being moved into position.
I'm just not sure 150.000 Chinese troops will cut it.

Because we have fleets out there all the time. No way to know for sure.

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The only countries left in 2011 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family are:
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Sino-North Korean Mutual Aid and Cooperation Friendship Treaty


The Sino-North Korean Mutual Aid and Cooperation Friendship Treaty was a treaty signed on July 11, 1961 between North Korea and the People's Republic of China.


Treaty signing in Beijing on July 11, 1961

The treaty was signed in Beijing and came into effect on September 10 of the same year.[1][2] Premier of the People's Republic of China Zhou Enlai and Prime Minister of North Korea Kim Il-sung signed for their respective countries.[3] The treaty generally promoted peaceful cooperation in the areas of culture, economics, technology and other social benefits between the two nations.[3] Specifically, Article 2 of the treaty declares the two nations guarantee to adopt immediately all necessary measures to oppose any country or coalition of countries that might attack either nation.[4]

The treaty is in effect and automatically renews every 20 years. It has renewed in 1981 and 2001.[3] The most recent renewal will remain in effect until the year 2021.[5]

Kim Il-sung arrived in Beijing in 1961 to sign this treaty just a few days after the signing of the North Korean-Soviet Mutual Aid and Cooperation Friendship Treaty (朝苏友好合作互助条约).[3] The Soviet treaty however has no longer been in effect since the 1990s, only a revised "consultation" treaty was re-adopted in 1999.[4] The right to cancel can be invoked at specified 5 year intervals, and each party must give advance notice of one year.[4]
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What the wording of that treaty really means is that after the US plants a bomb on top of Kim Jong-un, China moves into North Korea to keep it from falling into the hands of "US imperialists." Which of course is part of the deal; Trump doesn't want to occupy NK anyway and probably neither does South Korea.
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(04-11-2017 10:40 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  The only countries left in 2011 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family are:
•Cuba
•North Korea
•Iran

Exactly! They will be taken out one by one. Hence Trump's shenanigans on NK right now.
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(04-11-2017 10:40 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  The only countries left in 2011 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family are:
•Cuba
•North Korea
•Iran

You can add Syria to that list, but who knows for how long....

In the year 2000, this was the list:
Afghanistan
Iraq
Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran
Syria

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(04-11-2017 11:23 AM)Horus Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 10:40 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  The only countries left in 2011 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family are:
•Cuba
•North Korea
•Iran

You can add Syria to that list, but who knows for how long....

In the year 2000, this was the list:
Afghanistan
Iraq
Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran
Syria

Dodgy

Go back 1 year and you can add Yugoslavia to the list.
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(04-11-2017 11:12 AM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  What the wording of that treaty really means is that after the US plants a bomb on top of Kim Jong-un, China moves into North Korea to keep it from falling into the hands of "US imperialists." Which of course is part of the deal; Trump doesn't want to occupy NK anyway and probably neither does South Korea.

Yes, that is possibly the most logical conclusion.
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Short take (conjecture):

NK only survives because of Chinese support, their last economic partner.

Trump sends carrier fleets, threatens war in region.

China doesn't want war in its backyard. Forced to end relationship with NK, thus leading to eventual collapse of regime.
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China is as communist as Katy Perry is Christian. I suspect the new generation feel no sense of comradeship towards the North Koreans and simply view them as a liability. Xi Jinping probably only offers support to please the old, powerful members in the Communist Party who will die off quite soon.

I would not worry too much about North Korea's nuclear threat. Missile defense shields should take out incoming missiles- the only potential problem is a fallout when a NATO force (most likely the US) retaliates, if China or Russia tries to get in their way.
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(04-11-2017 12:57 PM)britchard Wrote:  China is as communist as Katy Perry is Christian. I suspect the new generation feel no sense of comradeship towards the North Koreans and simply view them as a liability. Xi Jinping probably only offers support to please the old, powerful members in the Communist Party who will die off quite soon.

I would not worry too much about North Korea's nuclear threat. Missile defense shields should take out incoming missiles- the only potential problem is a fallout when a NATO force (most likely the US) retaliates, if China or Russia tries to get in their way.

You are entirely missing the point. There isn't and never was any feeling of "communist solidarity" between China and N. Korea. China's support of NK has always been entirely due to wanting a buffer zone between itself and US controlled territory (S. Korea).

If China was worried about the US 50 years ago, those feelings much be an order of magnitude increased today. China has seen the US become increasingly unhinged, overthrowing sovereign regimes left and right, invading countries and sponsoring "color revolutions."

The Chinese government understands that the biggest, shiniest prize still dangling in front of the eyes of US (((elites))) is....ruling China. Oh, how dearly they would love to rule China! Not only would they love to rule China, they are thinking that in the long run, they will have to rule China because in the next several decades the West will collapse under the weight of its own "diversity."

The Chinese are not going to simply let the USA plant boots on the North Korean-Chinese border.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-11...s-bottom-l

Per the Global Times, which is very much state-controlled:

Quote:“China has a bottom line that it will protect at all costs, that is, the security and stability of northeast China... If the bottom line is touched, China will employ all means available including the military means to strike back. By that time, it is not an issue of discussion whether China acquiesces in the US’ blows, but the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) will launch attacks to DPRK nuclear facilities on its own."

Quote:[North Korea] has limited resources of nuclear materials and is strictly blockaded in the outside world, erasing the possibility for DPRK to get the materials again. ... Nuclear weapons is DPRK's trump card for its defiance of China and the United States. Once this card is lost, it will become obedient immediately."

The article was deleted pretty quickly, but the fact that it could be published at all is significant.

Also, I like how Chinese journalists can say things like "it will become obedient immediately." The SJWs would never allow that kind of language here.
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(04-11-2017 02:48 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-11...s-bottom-l

Per the Global Times, which is very much state-controlled:

Quote:“China has a bottom line that it will protect at all costs, that is, the security and stability of northeast China... If the bottom line is touched, China will employ all means available including the military means to strike back. By that time, it is not an issue of discussion whether China acquiesces in the US’ blows, but the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) will launch attacks to DPRK nuclear facilities on its own."

Quote:[North Korea] has limited resources of nuclear materials and is strictly blockaded in the outside world, erasing the possibility for DPRK to get the materials again. ... Nuclear weapons is DPRK's trump card for its defiance of China and the United States. Once this card is lost, it will become obedient immediately."

The article was deleted pretty quickly, but the fact that it could be published at all is significant.

Also, I like how Chinese journalists can say things like "it will become obedient immediately." The SJWs would never allow that kind of language here.

Don't believe this nonsense. It is a Langley production - all part of psychological warfare.

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^^^

Notice that same article confirms my suspicions: Obama and the Clintons didn't want Korea reunified, because they didn't want South Korea dominating the north, out of Ill Hill's own mouth in the Goldman Sachs speeches.

But again globalist tentacles reaching into this arena. The same article goes on to add:

Quote:The move to take stronger action against North Korea comes in the immediate aftermath of a political scandal that has rocked South Korea and disrupted the influence of state and private foreign actors in the country. On March 31st, 2017, Disobedient Media reported on the arrest of South Korean President Park Geun-hye, which also led to the indictment of Samsung Group leader Lee Jae-yong after it emerged that he had paid 43 billion Korean won ($36.6 million) to entities connected to President Park. The Samsung Group maintained business relations with the Clinton Foundation, an obvious supporter of policies opposing Korean reunification which were outlined in Clinton's Goldman Sachs speeches. The Samsung Group also had financial ties to the Rothschild family, who have been revealed in Wikileaks releases to have been staunch supporters of Clinton during her 2016 political run for President.

President Park's arrest and the disruption of Western-friendly business entities in South Korea tied to parties who oppose reunification creates a unique window for the United States and China to reverse previous policies which kept the peninsula divided. With China reining in factions who have traditionally supported the North Korean government, the opportunity to create a unified Korea has never been closer to realization. So long as both parties are able to manage the transition in a way that benefits both China and the United States politically and economically, the North Korean crisis could result in a successful exercise of bipartisan cooperation that would avoid military conflict and lay the ground for further cooperation on broader trade issues that the two countries are continuing to negotiate.

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If things are really as bad as people say in Korea I dont see the point in even fighting. For the cost of 50 million you could probably load up 50 million cheeseburgers and air drop em with some liberation pamphlet. Probably can roll in there afterwards without a bullet fired then go pick up Kim. Im sure the MIC is dying to get its pistons firing though, so we'll probably go about it in the most unproductive way possible.

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(04-13-2017 10:46 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/m...northkorea

Good ole Rumsfeld.

Yep, the same Rumsfeld who was in Baghdad in 1984 shaking Saddam's hand and selling him stuff.

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Will this effect the South Korean election in May?

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U.S. May Launch Strike If North Korea Reaches For Nuclear Trigger

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