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I'm all for killing that fat fuck manlet dictator but spreading even rumours around when someone like him and his maniac regime is still in charge of thousands of weapons pointed at some very vulnerable citizens isn't the best way to go about things.

Of all the types of people to spite the world, he is the type to do so.
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Since some people had been curious what the Japanese are saying, here's something I pulled off one of the big JP "news" sites. (It's news with kind of goofy commentary, very wildly read. Think 4chan?)

[OH SHIT] "America to Launch Preemptive Strike on Korea Upon Evidence of Nuclear Tests".

"Are they doing it? Are they finally really doing it?"
[Image: 53fb7b0c.gif]


"Some places are denying it, by either way, holy shit! Is it finally starting? Is it finally starting?"
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Some representative comments:

"I want to see a war during my lifetime."
"Can't wait for war!"
"An experiment isn't enough to justify it. Russia and China will bitch."
"I don't know about attacking someone over a nuclear experiment."
^-(Response to above.) "They've made it obvious they intend to use the bomb on America, of course they're gonna attack."

"If there's war, are there gonna be tanks running through the streets where there's US bases? Are US soldiers gonna rape people again?"


"Fuckin' do it."

"What's the answer to this from the cockroach Koreans who live in Japan?" (JPs do not like Koreans...)

"The whitehouse is denying this..."

"Gotta keep out refugees."

"They said this was fake news."

"Trump did drop that MOAB..."

"Everyone knows nothing's gonna happen anyway."

"Stop talking about this shit and let's play the nintendo switch"

”This is definitely war, right?
Kim who 100% Won't Do What Anybody Tells Him vs. Trump Who 100% Does What He Says He Will
100% War"


"I'm glad it's Trump. Trump will get pissed off and use his nuclear carriers."

"Do it!
I love how strong Trump is. It's great to watch!
I liked Obama, but he was always a good guy, and nothing more. It was kind of frustrating because he was a wimp who couldn't make a decision.
But Trump knows exactly what he's doing, which is nice."


Hope this is clarifying!
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(04-14-2017 12:14 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Are US soldiers gonna rape people again?"

It's a bit rich to hear any Jap mention rape.

"After the destruction of the POWs, the soldiers turned their attention to the women of Nanking and an outright animalistic hunt ensued. Old women over the age of 70 as well as little girls under the age of 8 were dragged off to be sexually abused. More than 20,000 females (with some estimates as high as 80,000) were gang-raped by Japanese soldiers, then stabbed to death with bayonets or shot so they could never bear witness.

Pregnant women were not spared. In several instances, they were raped, then had their bellies slit open and the fetuses torn out. Sometimes, after storming into a house and encountering a whole family, the Japanese forced Chinese men to rape their own daughters, sons to rape their mothers, and brothers their sisters, while the rest of the family was made to watch."
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(04-14-2017 12:20 AM)BrewDog Wrote:  
(04-14-2017 12:14 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Are US soldiers gonna rape people again?"

It's a bit rich to hear any Jap mention rape.
...

Read that comment again and picture a sweet, young Jap girl* at her computer in long socks, panties and a tank top, her ankles crossed, her thighs rhythmically pressing against each other as she gets a little breathless.

"Are US soldiers gonna rape people again?"

Laugh
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(04-14-2017 01:56 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(04-14-2017 12:20 AM)BrewDog Wrote:  
(04-14-2017 12:14 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Are US soldiers gonna rape people again?"

It's a bit rich to hear any Jap mention rape.
...

Read that comment again and picture a sweet, young Jap girl at her computer in long socks, panties and a tank top, her ankles crossed, her thighs rhythmically pressing against each other as she gets a little breathless.

"Are US soldiers gonna rape people again?"

Laugh

I sort of feel as if the police are gonna come break down my door tonight for having seen this.
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*Legal age Angel
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Quote:"Do it!
I love how strong Trump is. It's great to watch!
I liked Obama, but he was always a good guy, and nothing more. It was kind of frustrating because he was a wimp who couldn't make a decision.
But Trump knows exactly what he's doing, which is nice."

Coming from someone in Japan, nice guy game doesn't pay off.
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Trump is good for Kim. Without the attention the get from Trump now or of the world with his rocket tests. Nobody would care about them. They really fully on China and China sees North Korea as a trouble in some way but also a tool to keep of South Korea and a puffer zone to the USA. Till with the economical change in Asia, North Korea is not good for the business but still not to bad to keep them off. So Kim now get what he want, more attention and maybe something of for him as well.

A united Korea will have to deal with a lot of issues. Far worse then Germany had. Hopefully they don't do the same mistakes as Germany did. We did exchange the money on a to high level, then western Germany company sold off everything in eastern Germany. Its more then 25 years ago and you still have some differences. Imagine how it will be in Korea where the standards of living and the cultures have a bigger gap then West and East Germany. North Korea is bad for its people but I see no way to change that situation soon. Best is to ignore it.

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(04-14-2017 12:14 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Since some people had been curious what the Japanese are saying, here's something I pulled off one of the big JP "news" sites. (It's news with kind of goofy commentary, very wildly read. Think 4chan?)

[OH SHIT] "America to Launch Preemptive Strike on Korea Upon Evidence of Nuclear Tests".

Most Japanese would love to see that fat dwarf get taken out. Might have to do with never-ending threats as well as Japanese citizens being kidnapped and disappeared by his father's regime. Not to mention the "test" missiles that sometimes fly over Japanese land.

Was talking to a Japanese girl today who said as much. "Why don't they just blow them up already?"

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(04-14-2017 05:38 AM)Parzival Wrote:  Trump is good for Kim. Without the attention the get from Trump now or of the world with his rocket tests. Nobody would care about them.

I like your posts Parzival, but you have a very Eurocentric viewpoint. Actually their neighbours do care about them. Quite a bit in fact. It's easy for westerners to ignore North Korea but Asians don't have that luxury. I was in Tokyo when some of the Nork missiles flew towards the city. People tend to care about this kind of thing.

(04-14-2017 05:38 AM)Parzival Wrote:  A united Korea will have to deal with a lot of issues. Far worse then Germany had. Hopefully they don't do the same mistakes as Germany did. We did exchange the money on a to high level, then western Germany company sold off everything in eastern Germany. Its more then 25 years ago and you still have some differences.

Quite different situations in my opinion.

1. South Korea isn't nearly as socialist as West Germany was.
2. I'm sure the Koreans have studied what happened in Germany to learn from it (the currency disaster etc.).
3. Koreans are also extremely hard working (like the Japanese) and you can bet there won't be any welfare for unemployed North Koreans.
4. If anything, peaceful reunification could provide the South with a competitive advantage. Dirt cheap and obedient labour that speaks the same language and shares the same culture.

(04-14-2017 05:38 AM)Parzival Wrote:  Imagine how it will be in Korea where the standards of living and the cultures have a bigger gap then West and East Germany. North Korea is bad for its people but I see no way to change that situation soon. Best is to ignore it.

This defeatist attitude is the reason why the North Korea problem just gets worse and worse. Ignoring them has not helped at all. It has emboldened them. Obama was useless. There is always something that can be done. Trump is doing the right thing by working with China. Let's see if they can weaken the regime at the least.

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(04-14-2017 01:56 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(04-14-2017 12:20 AM)BrewDog Wrote:  
(04-14-2017 12:14 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Are US soldiers gonna rape people again?"

It's a bit rich to hear any Jap mention rape.
...

Read that comment again and picture a sweet, young Jap girl* at her computer in long socks, panties and a tank top, her ankles crossed, her thighs rhythmically pressing against each other as she gets a little breathless.

"Are US soldiers gonna rape people again?"

Laugh



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Interesting take on the Vinson's presence in the vicinity of North Korea from John T. Reed. In particular, it's probably not the aircraft carrier Kim needs to worry about, it's likely the nuclear submarines stooging around in those waters and just waiting for an opportunity to launch.

https://johntreed.myshopify.com/blogs/jo...orth-korea

Quote:Why did Trump send the Carl Vinson carrier strike group to the vicinity of North Korea?

My Unelected President allowed a carrier strike group to stay in the Persian Gulf, to his great regret, but he did not send one to North Korea.

Trump declined to comment on what’s next in Korea. Smart. But smarter not to draw attention with the strike group to begin with.

Readers of my Unelected President novel probably can see what’s going on very clearly.
1. That carrier can be sunk by North Korea.
2. The U.S. can “sink” North Korea—with just one of the US boomer submarines that Trump went out of his way to mention to Maria Bartiromo. Actually, we can sink about ten North Koreas with just one of those subs.
I think the strike group is bait or a provocation in the warped mind of Kim Jong-un but not the mind of the sane world. The strike group is in international waters.

Kim threatening a nuclear attack on us in response is Kim taking the bait.
Trump just attacked Syria after a gas attack on civilians including children and got almost universal, enthusiastic praise for it around the world and even from Democrats. I think he is teeing up Kim to be an Assad-like villain and to be the target for another U.S. missile strike.

Major point: The boomer submarines to which he referred are very different from the destroyers that fired the Tomahawk cruise missiles at Al Shayrat air base in Syria. Tomahawks have 1,000 pounds of high explosive—conventional high explosive. The boomer Trident missiles carry 12 independently-targeted nuclear warheads each.

It looks like Trump is trying to get justification like that provided by Assad and his poison gas attack. What might that be? A Kim Jong-un attack on the carrier strike group or a Kim Jong-un attack on Seoul.

What form would such an attack take? Nukes. North Korea is often said to have the fifth biggest-military on earth. Yeah, but I’m not sure they have boots or rifles. North Korea’s military is a one-trick pony: nukes. Their multi-million man military is a Potemkin village of a military.

The key moral difference between what Trump seems to be doing and what my President “Mike Medlock” did in my novel is the “don’t shoot first” objective.

In 1941, FDR could see war coming. He had instituted a draft and increased the size of the military. But he wanted the enemy to take the first shot so he would have political support. He issued a written order to that effect.
The first shot may sound abstract, but if you were at Pearl Harbor or Corregidor or Wake Island, it was anything but abstract.

Mike Medlock does not like his guys taking that first shot—especially in the nuclear era.

If Kim nukes that carrier, would Trump have public support to take North Korea out with Trident missiles? Absolutely. If Kim nukes Seoul, would Trump have public support to take out North Korea with Trident missiles? Absolutely.
A nuke attack on the carrier would kill about 10,000 U.S sailors. A nuke attack on Seoul would kill about 2 million people. Pearl Harbor, in comparison, was 2,500 killed.

Mike Medlock would consider either immoral if it could be avoided. There is no requirement to send a strike group to the vicinity of North Korea. The Aegis missile cruisers in the strike group can shoot down North Korean missiles. But they do not need the carrier.

The carrier launches piloted aircraft. They can carry all types of weapons but are vulnerable to anti-aircraft weapons.

Trident missiles are vulnerable to nothing. The carrier planes also have a shorter range than the Tridents. The Trident missiles could reach North Korea if they fired them from San Francisco Bay.

So the main offensive motivation for the carrier getting closer would appear to be to deliver conventional weapons on North Korea. But North Korea can only fight nuclearly. They don’t have the money to afford both a conventional and a nuclear defense.

So maybe the purpose of the carrier is a “Go ahead, make my day,” message to Kim. That is, sink my carrier so I thereby get moral authority to nuke you.
I would think Assad might deescalate, maybe resign and move to Iran to spend more time with his family. Kim has no choice but to be the nuclear mad man. He has no weapons to speak of other than nuclear. If he backed down, he would almost certainly be assassinated. Trump is backing a crazy nuke dictator into a corner. If those destroyers cannot shoot down a bomber flying toward the carrier or a missile aimed at the carrier, it will be sunk by a nuke explosion. Then Trump takes out North Korea.

If Kim shoots a nuke at Seoul—25 miles from North Korea—I doubt it can be stopped. But Trump thereby gets moral authority to nuke North Korea.

It looks to me like Trump is trying to provoke Kim into an outrageous action that will give Trump an excuse to attack North Korea with nukes.
Furthermore, he is doing so in a way that could cause the deaths of thousands or millions below the South Korean border with North Korea.
Would China intervene if Trump nuked North Korea? I don’t think so. It would be a national disaster for the benefit of a 33-year-old punk dictator of another country.

What will Kim do? I don’t know. He should not call Trump’s bluff. Can he survive that internally? Don’t know. What happens if Kim attacks?
BOOM.

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One tricky thing in mind of the Russians and Chinese must be, that in case Kim' regime is overthrown....then US would have a military base right on their border. No matter how much of a crazy lunatic Kim is, In mind of the Chinese he provides the perfect buffer zone. Would they really want a US-friendly regime (be it a united Korea, or a puppet) right by their border ?

Maybe I'm underestimating NK' potential threat to China, but thinking long-term, It makes little sense for China to want a US army base on their doorsteps.

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^^ Nice article from John T Reed. He doesn't mention that it could be simultaneous attacks: nuke the carrier - if they even have the ability to do so - and unleash the 13,000 pieces of heavy artillery they've got dug into the mountains next to the DMZ. This is a really detailed article on the ability of the estimated artillery attack: https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/how-no...-retaliate The authors posit that the North Koreans' lack of technology and poor training would necessarily limit effectiveness. Still, Seoul is the economic/cultural/political capital of Korea: each hit against it is 5x as potent as any other part of the country. It's not like a "should we hit NYC, LA, Chicago, SF?" scenario with the US, Seoul is the only choice.

As for the refugee/reunification issue, I've asked dozens of friends and relatives in South Korea about it. The unanimous response - once we got past the obligatory "we are one Korea" cliches - was that the status quo was much more preferable than the many unknowns of millions of refugees pouring over the border. The generation who were separated from family members because of the war are now in their 80's+ and the visceral emotions that they've experienced having had their families broken apart is dying out with them. There's also lots of documentation on the difficult experiences of North Korea defectors in South Korea and there's still a strong undercurrent of prejudice against them in the South.

Sudden reunification is a social and economic nightmare. Imagine the equivalent of 20% of your population flooding in to your country, almost all of them suffering from PTSD and a host of related mental/physical issues. Most have scant education, the same technological exposure as a Western European in the 1920's and were brainwashed for decades to believe that their leaders were gods. These are not people that are going to be easily integrated into normal South Korean life, especially in the aftermath of a scenario where their leadership obliterates Seoul.

My armchair political scientist solution: In the event of a war and toppling the N Korean government, I'd think it'd have to be a "stay on your side while we figure this shit out" plan for South Korea. Yeah, starving children and elderly are gonna die in the confusion and South Korea is gonna take a big political hit on the world stage for their callousness... but send as much food aid as possible, allow the educated elite and marriageable women over in a trickle (gotta tackle that pesky birth-rate issue) and try and implement as many infrastructure projects in North Korea to get people to stay put and hopefully establish a baseline for a new normal.
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Read the whole thing.

North Korea’s Punggye-ri Nuclear Test Site: Primed and Ready

Quote:Commercial satellite imagery of North Korea’s Punggye-ri Nuclear Test Site from April 12 shows continued activity around the North Portal, new activity in the Main Administrative Area, and a few personnel around the site’s Command Center.

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(04-14-2017 07:52 AM)Bushido Wrote:  Most Japanese would love to see that fat dwarf get taken out. Might have to do with never-ending threats as well as Japanese citizens being kidnapped and disappeared by his father's regime. Not to mention the "test" missiles that sometimes fly over Japanese land.

Was talking to a Japanese girl today who said as much. "Why don't they just blow them up already?"

Walk into any Tokyo subway and you'll see signs demanding the return of Japanese citizens who were kidnapped by the NKs, some of whom I think were kidnapped before I was born.
I hope Kim gets his face melted off by a MOAB. Jam it right down the fucker's throat.

(04-14-2017 12:50 PM)booshala Wrote:  As for the refugee/reunification issue, I've asked dozens of friends and relatives in South Korea about it. The unanimous response - once we got past the obligatory "we are one Korea" cliches - was that the status quo was much more preferable than the many unknowns of millions of refugees pouring over the border. The generation who were separated from family members because of the war are now in their 80's+ and the visceral emotions that they've experienced having had their families broken apart is dying out with them. There's also lots of documentation on the difficult experiences of North Korea defectors in South Korea and there's still a strong undercurrent of prejudice against them in the South.

There's a certain callousness to this approach that has always pissed me off. "Sure, my countrymen are being literally fed to dogs. But helping them might damage my GDP!"


I don't think there'll be war, just because status quo bias is so incredibly strong in regards to the NK issue. But if we could finally put an end to this nightmare, it would be wonderful.
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(04-14-2017 08:16 AM)Bushido Wrote:  
(04-14-2017 05:38 AM)Parzival Wrote:  Trump is good for Kim. Without the attention the get from Trump now or of the world with his rocket tests. Nobody would care about them.

I like your posts Parzival, but you have a very Eurocentric viewpoint. Actually their neighbours do care about them. Quite a bit in fact. It's easy for westerners to ignore North Korea but Asians don't have that luxury. I was in Tokyo when some of the Nork missiles flew towards the city. People tend to care about this kind of thing.

(04-14-2017 05:38 AM)Parzival Wrote:  A united Korea will have to deal with a lot of issues. Far worse then Germany had. Hopefully they don't do the same mistakes as Germany did. We did exchange the money on a to high level, then western Germany company sold off everything in eastern Germany. Its more then 25 years ago and you still have some differences.

Quite different situations in my opinion.

1. South Korea isn't nearly as socialist as West Germany was.
2. I'm sure the Koreans have studied what happened in Germany to learn from it (the currency disaster etc.).
3. Koreans are also extremely hard working (like the Japanese) and you can bet there won't be any welfare for unemployed North Koreans.
4. If anything, peaceful reunification could provide the South with a competitive advantage. Dirt cheap and obedient labour that speaks the same language and shares the same culture.

(04-14-2017 05:38 AM)Parzival Wrote:  Imagine how it will be in Korea where the standards of living and the cultures have a bigger gap then West and East Germany. North Korea is bad for its people but I see no way to change that situation soon. Best is to ignore it.

This defeatist attitude is the reason why the North Korea problem just gets worse and worse. Ignoring them has not helped at all. It has emboldened them. Obama was useless. There is always something that can be done. Trump is doing the right thing by working with China. Let's see if they can weaken the regime at the least.

I even have a German centric point of view. On my world map we are the centre of the world!
My friends in China, Korea and China worry for sure more. Like I worry more about the Migrant invasion. We all have our focus of view and therefore its good to interact with others to create the awareness of other perspectives.

And it may a defeatist attitude, but the US attitude to take care of a lot of things seems to fuck a lot of things up. And we in Europe have to deal a way more with failed adventures in the middle east and Afghanistan then the US has to do. North Korea is for sure a different case then some middle east place. First has rockets and maybe even nuclear ones. Around the middle east you can just build a wall and deport them all back. Hard to do with a missile.

Today we are at a point because a long chain of things lead to it and for me many of those things go back to American interactions that went wrong.

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Can the world handle a fight with NK and the aftermath? We're all talking about how Kim needs to get snuffed out, how his regime must be decapitated and how the US armada will crush them like an ant but whats the cost here?

China and Russia have played their hand and he knows he is isolated. This is a warning to Iran as well so a very clear message will be given.

I expect a full retaliation if the nuclear facility is hit.
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(04-14-2017 01:41 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  There's a certain callousness to this approach that has always pissed me off. "Sure, my countrymen are being literally fed to dogs. But helping them might damage my GDP!"

I agree it's callous, but let me offer a rebuttal: South Korea and North Korea are two separately recognized countries on the world stage. Sure, we share the same language with minor differences in dialect, but then again so does all of Latin America minus Brazil and you don't see them rushing to take in Venezuelan refugees right now. As for ethnic backgrounds, North and South Koreans come from much the same homogeneous ethnic stock, but then again so do Austrians and Germans and they don't largely meddle in each other's political affairs. They used to be all part of one country, but now they're separate entities.

Similarly, in just about every sense of the word, North Koreans and South Koreans aren't countrymen anymore. KJU and his party commit terrible atrocities on a constant basis and I agree that it should be stopped... but as someone with family/friends in South Korea, I know there would be immediate and most likely negative consequences for my loved ones. If you were in a similar situation would you be so dogmatic with the possibility of serious repercussions to your personal interests?
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(04-14-2017 06:04 PM)booshala Wrote:  Similarly, in just about every sense of the word, North Koreans and South Koreans aren't countrymen anymore. KJU and his party commit terrible atrocities on a constant basis and I agree that it should be stopped... but as someone with family/friends in South Korea, I know there would be immediate and most likely negative consequences for my loved ones. If you were in a similar situation would you be so dogmatic with the possibility of serious repercussions to your personal interests?

Well, we can put this into terms that are more relevant, I think.
Would I take a 30% pay cut to save the entire population of Texas, Utah, Arizona, and Nevada from being tortured and put into death camps for 50 years?

Yes, yes I would, and I would look down on anybody who wouldn't take that deal.
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(04-14-2017 11:47 AM)AManLikePutin Wrote:  Looks like the Russians are shoring up their border in case something goes off.


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Not trying to belittle you, because your decency comes across in your writing and I think you've got a strong moral compass. Merely explaining my views as a Korean and one that I share with just about every well reasoned South Korean that I've discussed the matter with.

Re: your Texas/Utah/Arizona/Nevada point, you know as well as I do that 40 million people aren't simultaneously being tortured and put to death in North Korea. This wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_North_Korea (which I always take with a grain of salt, but couldn't find any other source) lists 37,800 estimated prisoners in reeducation camps N. Korea. That's .14% of the entire North Korean population and roughly equivalent to the sleepy little town I grew up in, not the combined populace of four US states. It's a wildly flawed metric.

Even if we bump it up to let's say 50k people being violently beaten/executed/imprisoned on a static basis, I'd say the holistic per capita danger of living in Syria, Honduras, Venezuela, Iraq and Afghanistan would be just as bad as North Korea. Shit, even next door there are millions of Mexicans that are figuratively dying to get across the border to work in the US and escape the poverty and narco violence of their country. Literally dying too: my cook's two cousins died just last year when the truck they were smuggled in flipped over. Do they deserve the same 30% allocation when many of their choices are "illegally cross, join the Zetas or wallow in poverty"? Obviously, we'll never get an apples to apples comparison, but with the political bent on this forum, I don't see a lot of support for a 30% haircut on income for any of these beleaguered groups.

There's always going to be tragedy and atrocities in the world and people are always going to look out for their best interests. Deep down, I'd argue that South Koreans know that the reunification issue is a huge economic and social debacle waiting to happen. They're hoping that the uneasy status quo - as despicable as it is - will continue to hold as South Korea has enough problems of their own to handle.
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I can confirm that Booshala's point of view is sadly a commonly held one among many South Koreans.

We don't know too much about what happens in North Korea, but what we do know about the camps is truly horrific. To be clear, this is no rationale for invasion but it surely gives you a picture of the moral element to moving to weaken this regime in any way we can. There is absolutely no comparison to the regime change policy being implemented in the Middle East. Educate yourselves guys before spouting off.

- 3 generations of families get sent to concentration camps for all manner of minor crimes or perceived threats to the regime. Guilt by association to one family member is enough. Once you're in there you're fucked. There's no release date. Everyone must remain until they die.
- Hard labour all year round. New Year is the only day off. No meat, next to zero vegetables. Reports of prisoners hunting for rats to stay alive. Children killing or ratting out their own parents to get food.
- Any escape attempt by one person usually means execution of the whole family.
- Guards can rape anyone as they please. This is said to happen more or less daily. Resistance will usually mean death.
- Violation of any minor rule can also mean death.
- Starvation, extreme torture (and I'm not talking waterboarding here) and disease is rife.

I could go on and on. Read a book or two about it. I guarantee it will make your stomach churn inside out. Bear in mind this has been going on for decades and decades. The nightmare is never-ending.

Think you'd off yourself? Aha! Think again. Suicide will guarantee your family members aĺl being punished accordingly. I really struggle to think of any regime on earth as cruel to its own people. This situation continues daily in 2017.

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Maita station in Yokohama shut down to "unusual smell". Speculation (almost certainly wrong) that it's a gas attack by Korean spies.

People are on edge.
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I have a ticket to Japan next week, but I hear grom different sources (for example my government) NK might attack Tokyo if this conflict escalates. Why would Nk attack Tokyo? If there's a nuclear conflict and the Us attacks NK, will that have consequences for Japan?
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