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(04-16-2017 12:03 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  I'm not sure about that. I'm thinking about the Japanese during world war 2 with their emperor and think there is a sizeable amount of them who would fight to the death. The level of brainwashing is on another level way past what I even think the Japanese did.

Like they say war is hell, I hate seeing innocent people get caught up in stuff like this though, not like they have the choice to leave, I cant help but feel sorry for them all said
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(04-16-2017 12:31 PM)Gmac Wrote:  US may have caused the failure of the NK missile:


https://www.axios.com/north-korea-taunts...94674.html

This may be why Trump was so confident he'd solve the Nork problem.

If Trump knows he can basically humiliate and shame the Norks through technological superiority, then he can of course walk with the biggest set of balls in the room. Since China got the impression of Trump being someone who is very aggressive and powerful, a new development of the USA being able to hack launch systems only creates further confirmation bias of the Chinese into allying with the USA. Why stay allied with such weak and incompetent fools?

Then of course Russia, who absolutely must stay on good terms with the Chinese, will see the Chinese abandon the Norks and follow suit.

As China cozies up the USA, Russia, who will fear an alliance between China and the USA, will then also feel the pressure to give up on Syria as well. Knowing the Chinese will stay neutral means Russians know any sustained war with America can only endanger their relationship with the Chinese.

If Trump manages to secure peace in these areas by playing the two minor world powers against each other, he earns tremendous respect the world over. He will go down as one of the Great Presidents.

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North Korea's 'devastating' new missiles mocked as FAKE after footage of rockets 'wobbling with bent nose cones' emerges

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/...s-10238885

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Quote:But Lee Il-Woo, a senior analyst at the private Korea Defence Network, told AFP: “I suspect they all might be mock-ups aimed to impress the outside world".

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The brilliant thing here is that North Korea is prone to comical fuck ups on a regular basis, but now Trump's influence will be connected with every failed missile launch and misstep.
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(04-16-2017 06:16 PM)Enigma Wrote:  North Korea's 'devastating' new missiles mocked as FAKE after footage of rockets 'wobbling with bent nose cones' emerges

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/...s-10238885

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So one day, the mainstream media tells us the DPRK has dangerous nuclear missles that can almost reach the USA and are a huge threat that must be stopped, and damn the expense and human lives lost.

The next day the same media liars tell us their missile launches are failures and their parades are fake props.

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"Putin moves military forces to North Korean border as world prepares for war."

Quote:Russia has reportedly moved military vehicles towards the city, which is within striking distance of North Korea.

The dramatic move, unconfirmed by the Russian government, was spotted by residents in the border city and posted on social media.

This comes as North Korea warned that they are prepared for all-out war with the US, while China pleads for the two powers to back down from escalation.
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(04-17-2017 01:29 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  ...

So one day, the mainstream media tells us the DPRK has dangerous nuclear missles that can almost reach the USA and are a huge threat that must be stopped, and damn the expense and human lives lost.

The next day the same media liars tell us their missile launches are failures and their parades are fake props.

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Poor argument. They have plenty of means and motive to develop ICBMs. The props are simply for dragging through town square a few times a year.

The existence of one doesn't disqualify the existence of the other.
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I find it surprising the number of respected and intelligent forum members who buy into whatever lies the media tells you about this tiny country who most of you have never have visted. Remember, this is the same media that tells you climate change is real, rape culture is everywhere, Muslims are harmless, and Shillary had a 90% chance of winning against Trump. If they lied to you about everything else, why the fuck should they be honest about this ?!

The DPRK may have thousands of starving people and horrible prison camps, or it may NOT. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. One thing is for sure, I certainly don't believe any of the "secret inside view" TV documentaries and dissident refugees who escaped from the north, that the media parades in front of us ever so often. All these "escaped" Koreans remind me of is that Kuwaiti girl, Nayirah, who claimed in October 1990 babies were thrown out of incubators by Iraqis before the 1st Iraq war in 1990, who was proven to be a total fucking liar to play on people's emotions of dead babies. The same dead babies Trump quoted on television as one of the reasons to justify the recent bombing of Syria. Apparently a large part of these Korean escapees from the north, actually try to go back into the north after living in the south for a while, cause they can't cope with the selfish southern culture where people don't care about eachother. How come these kinds of people never get interviewed and get TV time ?

The globalists don't give a fuck about the welfare of Koreans. They hate the DPRK for the same reason they hate Cuba or Iran, because they don't control it and don't control their central bank. The globalists are pure worshippers of satan and want to control everyone and everybody and every foreign country's politicians.

If I had my own country and these globalists were constantly threatening to invade if I don't do things their way, I'd be getting my own nuclear missiles too. They keep telling us the DPRK shoots missiles into the sea or over Japan, but we never hear what things the west does to them to provoke them. We all just assume that the Koreans periodically go apeshit one day and say "lets shoot a missile and piss everyone off and endanger our country". No, these acts are a response to something that was done to them. It's a message that says, "fuck off or we will fight back."

From the reports of tourists who have been there, they note that it is one of the cleanest countries on earth, people are polite, the family structure is intact, and men and women actually look and talk to eachother cause they aren't actually glued to their smartphones like zombies all the time. Girls there don't act like sluts with tattoos, nose piercings, and notch counts of over 100 until their aged 35 and then desperately try to find a beta provider to have one child with. Flawed as it may be, the DPRK still has a lot of characteristics of a patriarchal system of society that most of us would kill to be able to live in, instead of our degenerate western culture that is slowly dying. I imagine most dudes in the DPRK marry a virgin wife and divorce is rare. Compare that to the south where many dudes are hopeless gammas addicted to video games and porn, the birthrate is low, families are falling apart and girls all get plastic surgery to make their eyes bigger to look like westerners.

I'm not naiive. I don't think the DPRK is some kind of paradise, and I don't support communism and leftism, but I don't believe a word of the endless bullshit the western lying media tell us about the DPRK. They have been proven to be pathological liars about everything.



We need some DPRK propaganda here to balance things out in this thread.
If I'm going to read lies, I want lies from both sides, so I can decide who is the better liar:



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THE DPRK has their own dead baby propaganda too.
2 can play it this game.

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The reason I have few doubts about NK atrocities is because they were par for the course in all communist regimes spawned during that era, of which NK is the only remaining ideological cesspit.

You're really dancing on the precipice here, Mercenary. There's a difference between being sceptical and being a raving contrarian yahoo or simply someone who hates your own culture so badly that he's desperate to identify with and support anything different for the mere sake of it being an unknown quantity to him.

Let's not pretend that if you could snap your fingers and appear in NK as a random citizen then you'd take the option to live in that patriarchal paradise.
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North Korean scientists need to download and run Kerbal Space Program.

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Beautifully succinct, Leonard.

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https://youtu.be/EhmzpMP3bEE

To Mercenary 's point. The guy on the video mentions how he was happier in South Korea despite being hungry. And actually many North Koreans defectors have said South Koreans are not very happy people.
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"The Era Of Strategic Patience Is Over!" Mike Pence In South Korea




He starts around 09:45 mark.









Your move Kim.
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When I visted Seoul, almost everyone (both men and women) looked either annoyed or depressed everywhere I went. Huge difference to China where I saw people smiling, giving eachother eye contact and starting conversations with strangers regularly. Although that's starting to slowly change there too sadly.

People China often have their own family run businesses, while people in the ROK (south Korea) work for soulless corporations in offices for impossible hours like from 9am to 10pm or 11pm, including weekends.

Later I found out that the ROK (south Korea) has one of the highest suicide rates in the entire world.
I'm not surprised.
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I once found out that people who work at Burger King are some of the unhappiest people in the world.

I therefore pledge my support to KFC and anyone who questions The Colonel is obviously a mindless corporate Burger King shill.
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North Koreans train in traditional TaeKwonDo.





For those who have seen it, it has nothing to do with TKD as it is known today (or ITF TaeKwonDo). Even on the South Korean side, their "Tiger" division was known for engaging in hand-to-hand combat during the Vietnam War:

http://www.kidokwan.org/articles/history...in-action/

Certainly, the superior logistics and technology of the US armed forces, and the weight of numbers when the Chinese surely intervene, will be enough to destroy the mass of the NK military in a matter of days.

However, I doubt it will be a painless experience.
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NK's officer corps has been the subject of ruthless purges for generations. They have equipment that's generations out of date.
They haven't fought a war since my grandpa was 20. They're under the absolute control of a fat manchild who couldn't do 5 pushups.

It's possible they'll be a powerful fighting force, but I would want more than a propaganda video of screaming people being hit with bats to convince me.
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So what's the consensus here? Would toppling the NK regime be giving in to the globalists?

I can imagine on the other hand there are a lot of special interests who don't want Korea unified in the long term.

It seems like keeping Un around is becoming more and more of a liability to China. A unified Korea with 1.5x times the GDP they have now would still not be able to resist a China that still has over 15x the population. Most of Korean culture historically came from China and they still hate the Japanese more. Seems like it would be easier to just use traditional diplomacy to dominate a slightly larger Korea rather than deal with this psycho and invite the world's animosity for keeping his regime alive.

The SK alliance with the U.S. is a Cold War relic that quickly loses its relevance once NK no longer exists.
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My personal opinion is that the US allows NK to exist solely as a boogeyman. The most powerful country in the world needs 'enemies', such as NK, Iran and Russia in order to justify the massive amounts of money that are feed into the industrial war complex. "We need 10 aircraft careers because of NORTH KOREA!!!" Etc.

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(04-17-2017 06:20 AM)AFS Wrote:  North Koreans train in traditional TaeKwonDo.





For those who have seen it, it has nothing to do with TKD as it is known today (or ITF TaeKwonDo). Even on the South Korean side, their "Tiger" division was known for engaging in hand-to-hand combat during the Vietnam War:

http://www.kidokwan.org/articles/history...in-action/

Certainly, the superior logistics and technology of the US armed forces, and the weight of numbers when the Chinese surely intervene, will be enough to destroy the mass of the NK military in a matter of days.

However, I doubt it will be a painless experience.

There's something to be said for doing unarmed combat training, if only to toughen soldiers up and get them used to pain and working when exhausted. It builds confidence, and it's worth doing occasionally... if you don't injure a bunch of your men in the process.

But hand to hand skill is not going to be directly useful in 99.99% of engagements in a modern war.
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(04-17-2017 08:31 AM)RIslander Wrote:  My personal opinion is that the US allows NK to exist solely as a boogeyman. The most powerful country in the world needs 'enemies', such as NK, Iran and Russia in order to justify the massive amounts of money that are feed into the industrial war complex. "We need 10 aircraft careers because of NORTH KOREA!!!" Etc.

This is a new view for me. Can you explain the mechanics of how this works?
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China will not let NK fall otherwise they'll have US troops on their borders.

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(04-17-2017 02:27 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  I find it surprising the number of respected and intelligent forum members who buy into whatever lies the media tells you about this tiny country who most of you have never have visted. Remember, this is the same media that tells you climate change is real, rape culture is everywhere, Muslims are harmless, and Shillary had a 90% chance of winning against Trump. If they lied to you about everything else, why the fuck should they be honest about this ?!

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I think we should all be skeptical of the corporate (old) media, but let's not act like they're the only authority on this subject. We're not talking about one or two North Korean refugees testifying about various atrocities, there are hundreds of them. They've drawn detailed pictures of the prison camps and the torture "prisoners" are subjected to. Their ideology of "three generations of punishment" is very real and corroborated by too many sources.

You can literally see the concentration camps on Google Earth.

Western culture is deeply flawed, especially in 2017. That doesn't mean there is anything positive whatsoever about the North Korean prison state. Yes, we have dumb slut feminist dykes running around screaming about patriarchy, but they have an authoritarian psychopath who forces his people to worship him like a God. The DPRK religion isn't Christianity or Buddism or Hinduism, it's a system that forces people to worship the state. This is the NWO model, which is why Hillary stands against unification of the peninsula.

We have shitty smartphones and Instagram whores, but they have a government that tells them their "dear" leader can read their thoughts, that tells them what to eat, what to drink, how much food they get, where and when to work, where they can live and what they can and can't say. It's hell on earth.

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(04-17-2017 06:20 AM)AFS Wrote:  Certainly, the superior logistics and technology of the US armed forces, and the weight of numbers when the Chinese surely intervene, will be enough to destroy the mass of the NK military in a matter of days.

(04-17-2017 08:25 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  They have equipment that's generations out of date.

The north Vietnamese had crap equipment and inferior tech and logisctics in the 1960s too, but the USA still got their asses kicked and left in shame in 1973. Funny how all that modern weaponery, high tech, and great logistics doesn't do jack shit to help you win in the end, against a population that actually wants to keep their way of life the way it is.

When the nazis invaded the Soviet Union in 1941 they expected more than half the population to turn sides and help them defeat Stalin. Didn't happen. Despite over 24 years of dictatorship and gulag prisons, the vast majority of Russians, still fought on the side of Stalin. The soviet union was also "vastly inferior" in terms of military and technology. They barely even had an air force. German wehrmacht with their great logistics and high tech weaponry still got their asses kicked hard all the way back to Berlin.

People who think the DPRK will be defeated overnight without fighting, and the population there will be ever so grateful for being "liberated" have another thing coming to them. Whether or not the people of the DPRK believe in the propaganda of their leaders is irrelevant. They have a way of life and will fight to keep it that way.


(04-17-2017 09:50 AM)eskimobobseal Wrote:  They've drawn detailed pictures of the prison camps and the torture "prisoners" are subjected to. Their ideology of "three generations of punishment" is very real and corroborated by too many sources.

You can literally see the concentration camps on Google Earth.

I'm sure prisons exist in the DPRK, but how many people are actually incarcerated in them, and for what crimes, and what actually happens in there is a whole other matter. Are you really sure everyone in a prison in the DPRK is in there cause of purely political reasons and innocent of all other crimes ? Are you sure you are not getting a vastly censored and edited view of what happens in those prisons ? Reminds me of the media and "survivors" telling me my whole life how evil the nazi camp of Auschwitz was, until I later found out the Auschwitz death camp had a swimming pool with diving boards.


(04-17-2017 09:50 AM)eskimobobseal Wrote:  It's hell on earth.

Really ?

Then expain why scores more people are commiting suicide in the south than in the north.
Also, explain why the birthrates are higher in Pyongyang than in Seoul.
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(04-17-2017 09:09 AM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  China will not let NK fall otherwise they'll have US troops on their borders.

Without NK threat how could the U.S. still justify having troops in SK? Couldn't a withdrawal of all U.S. troops from the Korean peninsula be a condition of China's allowing reunification?
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