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RE: Turkish referendum 4/16 thread
IIRC, Rossi is right. Havin dual citenzhip is complicated in Germany, and for foreings born in Germany, i think they need one of the parents to have at least 8 years of logal residency to ask for the nationality.

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04-19-2017 02:44 PM
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As far as I know, here's how it works:
Minors can have dual citizenship. When they are 18 and legally adults, they have to choose one. Dual citizenship is technically illegal.

For Turkish males for example in Austria, this means renouncing the Turkish citizenship, getting the official statement from Turkish embassy confirming it for the Austrian authorities, doing their military service in Austria (taking the oath...), afterwards asking for a certificate that they completed it (much nicer, shorter, more convenient and safer than doing the compulsory military service in Turkey, unless of course you are rich enough to buy yourself out of it), taking it back to the Turkish embassy and reapplying for Turkish citizenship. It's no problem to get it back at all, you can't get drafted anymore and can enter Turkey again without worries.

For all others:
Turn legally adult, renounce Turkish citizenship, get official statement from Turkish embassy confirming it for the let's say German authorities, keep German citizenship, go back to Turkish embassy and reapply for Turkish citizenship. Get it. Germany will never find out.
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04-19-2017 03:43 PM
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(04-19-2017 12:06 PM)Rossi Wrote:  
(04-19-2017 10:17 AM)911 Wrote:  
(04-19-2017 09:30 AM)Rossi Wrote:  Congrats to Austria and Holland.

By June 1st, they are basically telling Turkish people in those countries, either to keep Dutch/Austrian passport or Turkish passport. They have to make choices. Dual-citizenship won't be allowed anymore.

But Germany and France have to do it as soon as possible too.

That move is largely symbolic, because Turkey will always recognize their citizenship...

No, they won't.

Because there are roughly 5 million Turkish people in Germany right now and over 1.6 million of them de-announced their Turkish passport between 1999 to 2008.

You couldn't have dual-citizenship, Turkish/German at the same time. I dated a girl for 2 months who was born in Stuttgart but Turkish origin, she had to give up her Turkish citizenship to keep her German passport.


Here's a list of countries that disallow dual citizenships (link below):

Australia, Barbados, Belgium, Bangladesh, Canada, Cyprus, United States, United Kingdom, Switzerland, South Korea, South Africa (requires permission) , Egypt(requires prior permission), Greece, France, Finland, Germany (requires prior permission), Iraq, Italy, Israel, Ireland, Hungary, Iceland, Sweden, Slovenia, Syria, Serbia, Armenia, Lebanon, Malta, Spain ( allows only with certain Latin American countries), Tonga, Philippines, Sierra Leone, Sri Lanka (by retention), Pakistan (accepts only with 16 countries), Portugal, Turkey (requires permission).

So yes, apparently Turkey does disallow dual citizenships, but I'm not sure how rigorously that is enforced in practice, considering that their European diaspora is a source of revenues (remittances) and political influence over host countries. A lot of countries on this list will officially disallow dual citizenships, but tolerate it in practice, including the US, Canada, Italy, Ireland, Israel and of course Mexico. It looks like the official stance is mostly windowdressing.

http://dlgimmigration.com/united-states-...tizenship/

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04-19-2017 03:57 PM
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(04-19-2017 03:57 PM)911 Wrote:  Here's a list of countries that disallow dual citizenships (link below):

Australia, Barbados, Belgium, Bangladesh, Canada, Cyprus, United States, United Kingdom, Switzerland, South Korea, South Africa (requires permission) , Egypt(requires prior permission), Greece, France, Finland, Germany (requires prior permission), Iraq, Italy, Israel, Ireland, Hungary, Iceland, Sweden, Slovenia, Syria, Serbia, Armenia, Lebanon, Malta, Spain ( allows only with certain Latin American countries), Tonga, Philippines, Sierra Leone, Sri Lanka (by retention), Pakistan (accepts only with 16 countries), Portugal, Turkey (requires permission).

So yes, apparently Turkey does disallow dual citizenships, but I'm not sure how rigorously that is enforced in practice, considering that their European diaspora is a source of revenues (remittances) and political influence over host countries. A lot of countries on this list will officially disallow dual citizenships, but tolerate it in practice, including the US, Canada, Italy, Ireland, Israel and of course Mexico. It looks like the official stance is mostly windowdressing.

http://dlgimmigration.com/united-states-...tizenship/

Correct - I know for a fact that some countries are of the opinion that "if you don't tell the other country, then we won't tell them". There are countries that even give citizens the opportunity to get a passport/citizenship retroactively if they had lost for example their Turkish citizenship as a child. Essentially those places ignore the rules laid out by European countries.

Strictly speaking the citizens have to stick to it, but enforcement of those laws is lax.
04-19-2017 04:07 PM
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(04-19-2017 02:44 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  IIRC, Rossi is right. Havin dual citenzhip is complicated in Germany, and for foreings born in Germany, i think they need one of the parents to have at least 8 years of logal residency to ask for the nationality.

They changed this law in Germany so many times back and forth. I don't know what it is right now but one thing is certain that over %50 Turkish people in Germany don't even have Turkish passport anymore due to this law.

For example, I was dating with that Sttutgart girl and her brother was 23 at that time, he was born in Sttutgart as well but he didn't have German passport. He only had Turkish passport.

He graduated from college later on, became teacher in Germany. Since he works for the government, he couldn't keep his Turkish passport. He deannounced his Turkish passport to get German passport, so he can be teacher.

This was around 2009. I still talk to him once a while but I don't know if they changed that law after.
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04-21-2017 03:22 AM
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History comes at you fast.
04-21-2017 03:30 AM
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(04-21-2017 03:22 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

I tried to find more info on this piece of news in more established media outside Twitter. No results.
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04-21-2017 08:16 AM
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Looks like it got taken down. My friend is dating a girl living in Turkey so that would have been interesting to show him.
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(04-21-2017 09:49 AM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  Looks like it got taken down. My friend is dating a girl living in Turkey so that would have been interesting to show him.

What's taken down?
04-21-2017 11:41 AM
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The video in Enigma's post.
04-21-2017 04:22 PM
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(04-21-2017 04:22 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  The video in Enigma's post.

Its an old video. I found it here:



original cached tweet:
http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=https%3...feQRjxSiJN

   
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This is old news. They arrested over 7000 judges in September because they were connected to FETO, forget about lawyers.

Over 700 judges escaped to Germany somehow and they're seeking asylum.
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The new movie "the promise" seems so timely coming out at this time. It's about the Armenian genocide done by the Turks and a prophetic deja Vu of what is to come again.

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04-23-2017 12:37 AM
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