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RE: How do you deal with depression and isolation?
(04-22-2017 03:50 PM)Vicious Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 02:57 PM)Jack Ronin Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 02:06 PM)Vicious Wrote:  Interesting, my reply to this is going to be identical to another I just wrote : https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-62386...pid1555885

I work out. I'm in good shape. Used to compete professionally in a sport. I have travel plans coming up very soon.

Your advice is pretty generic "do stuff".

Guess I'm lookin for anything to help me become congruent socialy again. Even if that means I just accept the fact that I'm a prick and be ok with it.

It's only as generic as the info you've been giving out on yourself.

As you say your condition is clinical, and for those occasions I'd say you should be highly cautious of anything beyond general advice that is not from a licensed medical professional.

But no, I'm not telling you to "do stuff". I'm saying you need a foci in your life to be passionate about, something that can rub off positive energy ever so slightly to the rest of your day.

Fair enough and point taken.

I trust official medical opinions regarding my health like I trust a dish rag whore's opinions on astro physics.

When I was a child the answer that all these "professionals" had for me when they "diagnosed" me as having manic depression was to shove a cascade of drugs down my fucking throat. Drugs which many years later were found to cause serious illness, even more depression and even linked to suicide.

So no, a "medical professional" is nothing more than a glorified crack dealer in a lab coat. Except these assholes have a fucking license to kill you and keep you sick.
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(04-22-2017 01:22 PM)Jack Ronin Wrote:  I refuse to be a dancing monkey for these fucking worthless whores just to score some washed up snatch.

You sound like a good candidate for MGTOW.
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(04-22-2017 04:41 PM)questor70 Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 01:22 PM)Jack Ronin Wrote:  I refuse to be a dancing monkey for these fucking worthless whores just to score some washed up snatch.

You sound like a good candidate for MGTOW.


I'm sure that many of my views align with the movement. That being said I'll never brand myself under that designation. I'm not swearing off women either. They may all be whores but whores can be great at times.

In the eyes of modern society, I'm just the mother fuckin bad guy. When your society is a bunch of fagged out chumps raised by single mom skankazoids, becoming the god damn Villain is the only way to go.
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RE: How do you deal with depression and isolation?
RVF changed my life. When I joined RVF, like Fortis, I made it a point to meet as many members as possible, even travelling to meet them. It helped me immensely.

That said, I got there by posting both 'request for help' as well as 'self help' threads, posting my actions and accomplishments in both. You may find it therapeutic to do so as well and I highly recommend it.

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(04-22-2017 04:41 PM)questor70 Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 01:22 PM)Jack Ronin Wrote:  I refuse to be a dancing monkey for these fucking worthless whores just to score some washed up snatch.

You sound like a good candidate for MGTOW.

Aren't you the Camgirl pen pal guy that pretty much ignored the advice we gave you? I would humbly request your presence off of threads where people are asking for advice. I'm not a moderator so I'm just asking as a member who has got a lot of benefit from the forum.

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RE: How do you deal with depression and isolation?
You seem to be some quite intelligent dude but didn't get this pattern: The secret of Socialization is shallowness, everytime, everywhere
You don't go in any social gathering hammering people with how nuclear fusion works or shit like that, you'll get isolated as fast as a mangina in a Tampax convention.
They don't want to hear you talk back to them, they only want to hear what they just said but with another voice.

You start understanding this when you go to the doctor and you say "it hurts here" he answer "so you telling me that your tummy is aching" and you answer back "Yeah exactly" but you even move a finger when he starts to check your shoulder, that's because from what he repeated to you he seem to have understand you so he might know what he's doing...

Dale Carnegie, Robert Cialdini and many others said it "Mirror them and what they say for them to open to you..."

Being social has nothing to do this Myers-Briggs shit, it's like horoscope, people want to believe, so they hang on this like it's binding them to their fate and that's why they can't get anywhere "Hey I'm INTJ so being asocial is what I'm bound to..."
Being social is a system, a process that have to be repeated countless time to get mastered and it start with small talk and empty conversation...

Quote:People will do anything for those who encourage their dreams, justify their failures, allay their fears, confirm their suspicions, and help them throw rocks at their enemies.

Fuck this shit, fuck the doctors who want to feed you some meds, fuck them all...
They diagnose you with some deviant shit because you're not a sheep, you can't follow or even blend in, something is wrong, you saw how things works, now that you figured out the WHY and the HOW you need to get to the WHAT.

The fact that you've being diagnosed mean that you operates at one level above other, so use them, make them laugh, obfuscate them, talk about some useless shit and see how they react then try something else...
You only have to turn things around to get some traction into your "miserable" life but STOP COMPLAINING, from what you wrote here it seem that you already gave up, too bad for you but nobody want to read how depressed you are...

Tell them too much, they wouldn't understand; tell them what they know, they would yawn.
They have to move up by responding to challenges, not too easy not too hard, until they paused at what they always think is the end of the road for all time instead of a momentary break in an endless upward spiral
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(04-22-2017 08:42 PM)blck Wrote:  You seem to be some quite intelligent dude but didn't get this pattern: The secret of Socialization is shallowness, everytime, everywhere
You don't go in any social gathering hammering people with how nuclear fusion works or shit like that, you'll get isolated as fast as a mangina in a Tampax convention.
They don't want to hear you talk back to them, they only want to hear what they just said but with another voice.

You start understanding this when you go to the doctor and you say "it hurts here" he answer "so you telling me that your tummy is aching" and you answer back "Yeah exactly" but you even move a finger when he starts to check your shoulder, that's because from what he repeated to you he seem to have understand you so he might know what he's doing...

Dale Carnegie, Robert Cialdini and many others said it "Mirror them and what they say for them to open to you..."

Being social has nothing to do this Myers-Briggs shit, it's like horoscope, people want to believe, so they hang on this like it's binding them to their fate and that's why they can't get anywhere "Hey I'm INTJ so being asocial is what I'm bound to..."
Being social is a system, a process that have to be repeated countless time to get mastered and it start with small talk and empty conversation...

Quote:People will do anything for those who encourage their dreams, justify their failures, allay their fears, confirm their suspicions, and help them throw rocks at their enemies.

Fuck this shit, fuck the doctors who want to feed you some meds, fuck them all...
They diagnose you with some deviant shit because you're not a sheep, you can't follow or even blend in, something is wrong, you saw how things works, now that you figured out the WHY and the HOW you need to get to the WHAT.

The fact that you've being diagnosed mean that you operates at one level above other, so use them, make them laugh, obfuscate them, talk about some useless shit and see how they react then try something else...
You only have to turn things around to get some traction into your "miserable" life but STOP COMPLAINING, from what you wrote here it seem that you already gave up, too bad for you but nobody want to read how depressed you are...

Good advice my man and thanks.

I definitely have not given up. Have you read my replies to people? I was feeling down then other day due that specific circumstance I outlined. Then I realized I needed to stop doubting myself, my past..whatever and be actively aware of the frames Im putting myself in.

Just doing that alone immediately put me in the right mood.
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I don't agree. Hanging out with people having shallow conversations all the time is poisonous to your soul. It makes you into a basic bitch. Of course, you can't always have deep conversation but you should seek out people who are as excited about your hobbies and interests as you are.

Of course, starting out, you shouldn't go too deep on people, but I now go deep on people to screen them out. If they can't take a deep topic while speaking to me 1-1 then they're not worth my time. The world is full of shallow idiots who don't wanna connect with others meaningfully. Leave them alone.

Bitch doesn't wanna talk rap or metal? Fuck her.

Doesn't bitch have an interest in politics? fuck her.

Honestly, I'm pretty past the point of tolerating people I don't like simply to get laid. I don't do that shit unless it's an easy easy layup. I am much happier as a result of this.

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Good points Fortis. This is basically how I feel too
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That said, if you are isolated you should learn how to speak on their level and have fun on their level. it's good socialization training.

I say that now since I don't have isolation or depression problems, but you should definitely go and hang out with those people until you are able to find better social circles.

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(04-22-2017 10:00 PM)Fortis Wrote:  I don't agree. Hanging out with people having shallow conversations all the time is poisonous to your soul. It makes you into a basic bitch. Of course, you can't always have deep conversation but you should seek out people who are as excited about your hobbies and interests as you are.

Of course, starting out, you shouldn't go too deep on people, but I now go deep on people to screen them out. If they can't take a deep topic while speaking to me 1-1 then they're not worth my time. The world is full of shallow idiots who don't wanna connect with others meaningfully. Leave them alone.

Bitch doesn't wanna talk rap or metal? Fuck her.

Doesn't bitch have an interest in politics? fuck her.

Honestly, I'm pretty past the point of tolerating people I don't like simply to get laid. I don't do that shit unless it's an easy easy layup. I am much happier as a result of this.

I agree with you, my point was that at first you need to be as shallow as they are to be able to socialize then you start including innuendos/metaphors and then forcing your opinion on them, becoming a basic bitch mean that you enjoy too much small talk just for small talk without adding anything after, it's approaching just to give compliments and eject.

1. You hang out with them all, as shallow as them
2. When you're used to small talk and able to understand the process you start sorting those you like

I don't connect with them as deep as you want to, bitch doesn't know shit but what her friends/familly/boyfriend put in her head, even her opinions are not her own, basically if I like what I see I destroy her mind to get it back the way I want her to be.

Tell them too much, they wouldn't understand; tell them what they know, they would yawn.
They have to move up by responding to challenges, not too easy not too hard, until they paused at what they always think is the end of the road for all time instead of a momentary break in an endless upward spiral
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^ I agree. He's gotta develop his social skills.

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(04-22-2017 01:22 PM)Jack Ronin Wrote:  ...
This is all good advice. I gotta be honest here though. When it comes to conversing with people, I really don't care about whatever interests them, what they've done, who they know and which corporate turds they consume. It gets harder and harder for me to pretend that I care also.

Unless I can make money off them, fuck them or they are offering something of more value I generally don't want to see or speak with people.

I say many of those conversational things you mentioned like
"that's incredible"
"that must've been hard" etc

I say these things but my mind isn't even paying attention to what they are talking about and to be honest...I don't care. Most people I talk to I don't find very interesting.......ESPECIALLY women.

Since I learned game I had down pat the douche bag asshole direct game. The problem for me now is I refuse to be a dancing monkey for these fucking worthless whores just to score some washed up snatch.

I'd rather pay for a few prostitutes, some cocaine and get my fuckin money's worth. When it's all said and done I don't have to waste any time pretending I give a rat's furry fuckin ass about a dipshit female's tard opinions.......spare me.

Charity work I could maybe do just for the experience. Just to see how a legit con game is ran and to feel good about myself for seeing people who are failing big time in life.

The truth is I'm doing quite well in a lot of areas in my life. In fact I've surpassed myself in several ways. I just want to feel more "congruent" socially I suppose. I think that is going to mean I just say how Im really feeling. Which is that everyone can kiss my ass and suck my dick.

However I realize that for business, jobs and what not I have to put on this stupid fuckin amiable pretend face. It's really god damn tedious.

Humans are tribal animals.

If your sole motivation in dealing with them is "what transactional benefit do they offer" then you are destined to misery and loneliness.

The mountain you have to climb in this life is obviously a lot higher than I initially thought.
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(04-23-2017 08:23 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 01:22 PM)Jack Ronin Wrote:  ...
This is all good advice. I gotta be honest here though. When it comes to conversing with people, I really don't care about whatever interests them, what they've done, who they know and which corporate turds they consume. It gets harder and harder for me to pretend that I care also.

Unless I can make money off them, fuck them or they are offering something of more value I generally don't want to see or speak with people.

I say many of those conversational things you mentioned like
"that's incredible"
"that must've been hard" etc

I say these things but my mind isn't even paying attention to what they are talking about and to be honest...I don't care. Most people I talk to I don't find very interesting.......ESPECIALLY women.

Since I learned game I had down pat the douche bag asshole direct game. The problem for me now is I refuse to be a dancing monkey for these fucking worthless whores just to score some washed up snatch.

I'd rather pay for a few prostitutes, some cocaine and get my fuckin money's worth. When it's all said and done I don't have to waste any time pretending I give a rat's furry fuckin ass about a dipshit female's tard opinions.......spare me.

Charity work I could maybe do just for the experience. Just to see how a legit con game is ran and to feel good about myself for seeing people who are failing big time in life.

The truth is I'm doing quite well in a lot of areas in my life. In fact I've surpassed myself in several ways. I just want to feel more "congruent" socially I suppose. I think that is going to mean I just say how Im really feeling. Which is that everyone can kiss my ass and suck my dick.

However I realize that for business, jobs and what not I have to put on this stupid fuckin amiable pretend face. It's really god damn tedious.

Humans are tribal animals.

If your sole motivation in dealing with them is "what transactional benefit do they offer" then you are destined to misery and loneliness.

The mountain you have to climb in this life is obviously a lot higher than I initially thought.

Yes that would be my sole motivation when dealing with others not of my "tribe". The modern world is just a bunch of atomized consumers who have no loyalty or tribal bonds themselves. So I feel no guilt towards acting in my best interests.

Every human is inherently selfish and is it that much of a surprise? We all have our own wants/needs and motivations. The difference with me is that I have no illusions about the way the world works or the way humanity is at its core.

It's survival of the fucking fittest. You can candy coat it all you want if it makes you feel better. The truth is we are cognitively aware yet still savage beasts. Altruism is for weaklings unless you live in a homogeneous society or tribe.

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Don't ask for advice if you are just going to rationalize your anti-social and outright narcistiic tendencies.

In order to get what you want, YOU have to change. Most people are able to form meaningful connections that go beyond exploiting each other. If you can't, then you are the problem, not the rest of the world.

If you can not accept this, you won't see any benefit from advice we give you

Social cohesion is the foundation of human life. You can't opt-out and expect to thrive.you want to solve your problems? Opt-in, and be thorough about it.

Or keep starving yourself of a social life and join Sluthate. Whichever.
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So who is your tribe?

Who are the ones that have your back?

Who are your womenfolk?

Why is it that you think wolves run in packs? What purpose do the young wolves serve? Are they not simply a drain on the pack's resources? Surely survival of the fittest would at best compel the strongest male wolves to kill or drive off all others, females included, since sex is not linked to individual survival.

In other words, if you think you can simply rationalise away your innate tribal biological yearnings then you're only fooling yourself.

Again, who is your tribe?
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(04-23-2017 02:12 AM)Fortis Wrote:  That said, if you are isolated you should learn how to speak on their level and have fun on their level. it's good socialization training.

I say that now since I don't have isolation or depression problems, but you should definitely go and hang out with those people until you are able to find better social circles.

I think that my feelings of isolation come to a large extent by my view of the world around me and my view of the average male or female living in western civilization.. I'm sure that I need to make some adjustments in my viewpoint/worldview but I've learned to trust my gut.

I loathe the modern world because at the heart of our culture is simply a ravenous consumer. Constantly devouring corporate products that are slowly killing them. A world of the blind leading the blind right off a fucking cliff and stuffing their mouths with mickey godamn D's while they do it.

The modern world though full of luxuries and distractions which make our lives easier, has only severed us finally from our culture, tradition, family and the upward striving of a young and energetic people. We are a dying people in the west and nearly everyone is now infected with ideologies that resemble a death cult.

The isolation I feel is often because of this very alarming realization endlessly smacking me in the face. I know simple shit just from reading books or doing some basic research that most people are unwilling and unable to see themselves. I no longer have any desire to change hearts and minds of all the mindless New World Faggots. They can take the poison for all I care. Fuckin choke on that shit.

I look around and I don't see friends or family, culture or national identity. I see a bunch of consumers identified by which products they purchase.

Yes the modern world is anathema to masculinity. Because of this I don't wanna go along to get along with everyone. I feel like I have out grouped myself in many ways and you know what? I fucking like it.

I don;t see how any sane man could do otherwise. The modern world is the fucking enemy of a man and his future. I don't wanna just accept that and be a good chump that follows the fucking rules.

I want to smash every mother fucker that gets in my way. I want to assert my own will to power in this world without apologies. I want to stand apart from the masses because I know that I'm superior.

The problem sometimes is just dealing with basic needs that come and go like loneliness and such. I am human after all.

Put an average joe in front of me. I can say things to him which would eviscerate completely his entire worldview and belief system. For this reason many people have and will hate me. I know that what most everyone believes about the world, our history, our future is a complete lie.

But people love their lies you know. Especially the ones they believe about themselves. I was not content to believe the lies either about the world around me or the lies I believed about myself. I've conquered many of my fears by challenging myself and aggressively pushing past barriers. I've realized that my approach to improving myself is not an approach that most people are comfortable ever admitting they need much less implementing.

For this reason I don't care about convincing anyone of a god damn thing. I just want to beat them over the head with some hard hitting real talk. I'm not trying to win friends and influence people like Carnegie. I'd prefer infamy over fame. Fuck it. That's what this world needs more of I think. More men gone hostile to the modern world..
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(04-23-2017 09:18 AM)asdfk Wrote:  Don't ask for advice if you are just going to rationalize your anti-social and outright narcistiic tendencies.

In order to get what you want, YOU have to change. Most people are able to form meaningful connections that go beyond exploiting each other. If you can't, then you are the problem, not the rest of the world.

If you can not accept this, you won't see any benefit from advice we give you

Social cohesion is the foundation of human life. You can't opt-out and expect to thrive.you want to solve your problems? Opt-in, and be thorough about it.

Or keep starving yourself of a social life and join Sluthate. Whichever.

You obviously havent read this entire thread with my responses to people. Your making several false assumptions.
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(04-22-2017 09:28 AM)RIslander Wrote:  My advice to you: Join a Crossfit gym. Crossfit gets some hate on the forum and in some of the respectable weightlifting forums but for an introverted guy looking for self improvement and forced social interactions, its a great choice. Its like joining a fraternity in college. I've gotten alot out of it having moved to several cities across America not knowing a single person. Classes tend to be 50% female and opening girls after a workout while stretching and cooling off tends to be fairly easy.

I would second CrossFit if you need to be more social and connect more with people. Its great for isolated folks who work alone or live alone, it tends to attract a lot of them. Then they get cocky and highly sexualized, its a funny thing to watch sometimes. Even if it isn't your cup of tea, you should commit for 90 days at a local Crossfit gym. Just try it for the hell of it, in the spirit of self experimentation. There is a way out of this if you try lots of things, other than drugs.
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(04-23-2017 09:21 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  So who is your tribe?

Who are the ones that have your back?

Who are your womenfolk?

Why is it that you think wolves run in packs? What purpose do the young wolves serve? Are they not simply a drain on the pack's resources? Surely survival of the fittest would at best compel the strongest male wolves to kill or drive off all others, females included, since sex is not linked to individual survival.

In other words, if you think you can simply rationalise away your innate tribal biological yearnings then you're only fooling yourself.

Again, who is your tribe?

Interesting that you somehow see the things I've stated here as "rationalise away your innate tribal biological yearning" when in fact what Im saying is in support of biology and natural instincts.

Tribe is connected to family, blood and race. I am a white man raised in western civilization. I don;t have a tribe just like every other deracinated white male in the west.

I am building a non blood related tribe and thats where my loyalties lie. Im saying that I dont view the man next to me necessarily as my countryman, tribe member or even someone with peaceful intent. I view them correctly as a potential threat or mark until I am convinced otherwise

Surival of the fittest is not some fairy tale idea. Its commonly observable in nature. Only the strong and most resilient survive. You stating you personal opinion of what "survival of the fittest" is by separating it from nature or biology is also incorrect.
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RE: How do you deal with depression and isolation?
(04-23-2017 09:37 AM)Jack Ronin Wrote:  
(04-23-2017 09:21 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  So who is your tribe?

Who are the ones that have your back?

Who are your womenfolk?

Why is it that you think wolves run in packs? What purpose do the young wolves serve? Are they not simply a drain on the pack's resources? Surely survival of the fittest would at best compel the strongest male wolves to kill or drive off all others, females included, since sex is not linked to individual survival.

In other words, if you think you can simply rationalise away your innate tribal biological yearnings then you're only fooling yourself.

Again, who is your tribe?

Interesting that you somehow see the things I've stated here as "rationalise away your innate tribal biological yearning" when in fact what Im saying is in support of biology and natural instincts.

Tribe is connected to race. I am a white man raised in western civilization. I don;t have a tribe just like every other deracinated white male in the west.

I am building a non blood related tribe and thats where my loyalties lie. Im saying that I dont view the man next to me necessarily as my countryman, tribe member or even someone with peaceful intent. I view them correctly as a potential threat or mark until I am convinced otherwise

Surival of the fittest is not some fairy tale idea. Its commonly observable in nature. Only the strong and most resilient survive. You stating you personal opinion of what "survival of the fittest" is by separating it from nature or biology is also incorrect.

You think too much. Just go out and do some shit. Then come back and tell us if you still feel the same way.
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RE: How do you deal with depression and isolation?
(04-23-2017 09:45 AM)Vaun Wrote:  
(04-23-2017 09:37 AM)Jack Ronin Wrote:  
(04-23-2017 09:21 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  So who is your tribe?

Who are the ones that have your back?

Who are your womenfolk?

Why is it that you think wolves run in packs? What purpose do the young wolves serve? Are they not simply a drain on the pack's resources? Surely survival of the fittest would at best compel the strongest male wolves to kill or drive off all others, females included, since sex is not linked to individual survival.

In other words, if you think you can simply rationalise away your innate tribal biological yearnings then you're only fooling yourself.

Again, who is your tribe?

Interesting that you somehow see the things I've stated here as "rationalise away your innate tribal biological yearning" when in fact what Im saying is in support of biology and natural instincts.

Tribe is connected to race. I am a white man raised in western civilization. I don;t have a tribe just like every other deracinated white male in the west.

I am building a non blood related tribe and thats where my loyalties lie. Im saying that I dont view the man next to me necessarily as my countryman, tribe member or even someone with peaceful intent. I view them correctly as a potential threat or mark until I am convinced otherwise

Surival of the fittest is not some fairy tale idea. Its commonly observable in nature. Only the strong and most resilient survive. You stating you personal opinion of what "survival of the fittest" is by separating it from nature or biology is also incorrect.

You think too much. Just go out and do some shit. Then come back and tell us if you still feel the same way.

A world where thinking too much is a sin. Pardon me while I bathe in the irony.

I'm not sure where in this entire thread I stated that I'm not doing anything at all. Just that I was having a difficult time with something. I feel much better than when I first made this thread and there is a llot of good advice which I am following.
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(04-23-2017 09:26 AM)Jack Ronin Wrote:  I think that my feelings of isolation come to a large extent by my view of the world around me and my view of the average male or female living in western civilization.. I'm sure that I need to make some adjustments in my viewpoint/worldview but I've learned to trust my gut.

I loathe the modern world because at the heart of our culture is simply a ravenous consumer. Constantly devouring corporate products that are slowly killing them. A world of the blind leading the blind right off a fucking cliff and stuffing their mouths with mickey godamn D's while they do it.

The modern world though full of luxuries and distractions which make our lives easier, has only severed us finally from our culture, tradition, family and the upward striving of a young and energetic people. We are a dying people in the west and nearly everyone is now infected with ideologies that resemble a death cult.

The isolation I feel is often because of this very alarming realization endlessly smacking me in the face. I know simple shit just from reading books or doing some basic research that most people are unwilling and unable to see themselves. I no longer have any desire to change hearts and minds of all the mindless New World Faggots. They can take the poison for all I care. Fuckin choke on that shit.

I look around and I don't see friends or family, culture or national identity. I see a bunch of consumers identified by which products the purchase.

Yes the modern world is anathema to masculinity. Because of this I don't wanna go along to get along with everyone. I feel like I have out grouped myself in many ways and you know what? I fucking like it.

I don;t see how any sane man could do otherwise. The modern world is the fucking enemy of a man and his future. I don't wanna just accept that and be a good chump that follows the fucking rules.

I want to smash every mother fucker that gets in my way. I want to assert my own will to power in this world without apologies. I want to stand apart from the masses because I know that I'm superior.


The problem sometimes is just dealing with basic needs that come and go like loneliness and such. I am human after all.

Put an average joe in front of me. I can say things to him which would eviscerate completely his entire worldview and belief system. For this reason many people have and will hate me. I know that what most everyone believes about the world, our history, our future is a complete lie.

But people love their lies you know. Especially the ones they believe about themselves. I was not content to believe the lies either about the world around me or the lies I believed about myself. I've conquered many of my fears by challenging myself and aggressively pushing past barriers. I've realized that my approach to improving myself is not an approach that most people are comfortable ever admitting they need much less implementing.

For this reason I don't care about convincing anyone of a god damn thing. I just want to beat them over the head with some hard hitting real talk. I'm not trying to win friends and influence people like Carnegie. I'd prefer infamy over fame. Fuck it. That's what this world needs more of I think. More men gone hostile to the modern world..

How old are you?

Judging by what you're writing you have the emotional maturity of a 15 year old. You feel isolated because you're just too edgy and intelligent to get along with the delusional proles who make up the rest of society.

You are not better than anyone else. You're intelligent, but there are millions of people more intelligent than you in the world. You're clearly not a very likable person. You have no friends. You are not special. The world owes you nothing. Stop living as if you're entitled to happiness. When you act like a miserable wretch, no one will want to be around you.

Yes, the world is a fucked up place. You're hardly the first person to notice that. Get over it and grow up. You're not doing yourself or anyone else any favors by marinating in this constant bath of negativity and hatred. You've become consumed by pure narcissistic fury and its destroying your soul. You desperately need a new perspective to snap you out of this narcissistic rage spiral. You aren't going to find it by bitching about women and society on the internet. Go take action. It's your life and your responsibility as a man to take care of it.

If you actually want to feel better and not just continue to make edgelord posts on the internet, here's what you need to do:

1) Start studying the Bible
2) Practice positive self talk and cultivating a positive mental attitude
3) Volunteer with disadvantaged, elderly or disabled people in your community

Make no mistake, the anger you're carrying around is toxic. It will destroy your quality of life and eventually kill you outright if you don't do something about it (stress, heart attack, depression/suicide/substance abuse, etc...). You can let it destroy you or you can change. You decide.

"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.” - Romans 8:18
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RE: How do you deal with depression and isolation?
(04-23-2017 10:04 AM)scorpion Wrote:  
(04-23-2017 09:26 AM)Jack Ronin Wrote:  I think that my feelings of isolation come to a large extent by my view of the world around me and my view of the average male or female living in western civilization.. I'm sure that I need to make some adjustments in my viewpoint/worldview but I've learned to trust my gut.

I loathe the modern world because at the heart of our culture is simply a ravenous consumer. Constantly devouring corporate products that are slowly killing them. A world of the blind leading the blind right off a fucking cliff and stuffing their mouths with mickey godamn D's while they do it.

The modern world though full of luxuries and distractions which make our lives easier, has only severed us finally from our culture, tradition, family and the upward striving of a young and energetic people. We are a dying people in the west and nearly everyone is now infected with ideologies that resemble a death cult.

The isolation I feel is often because of this very alarming realization endlessly smacking me in the face. I know simple shit just from reading books or doing some basic research that most people are unwilling and unable to see themselves. I no longer have any desire to change hearts and minds of all the mindless New World Faggots. They can take the poison for all I care. Fuckin choke on that shit.

I look around and I don't see friends or family, culture or national identity. I see a bunch of consumers identified by which products the purchase.

Yes the modern world is anathema to masculinity. Because of this I don't wanna go along to get along with everyone. I feel like I have out grouped myself in many ways and you know what? I fucking like it.

I don;t see how any sane man could do otherwise. The modern world is the fucking enemy of a man and his future. I don't wanna just accept that and be a good chump that follows the fucking rules.

I want to smash every mother fucker that gets in my way. I want to assert my own will to power in this world without apologies. I want to stand apart from the masses because I know that I'm superior.


The problem sometimes is just dealing with basic needs that come and go like loneliness and such. I am human after all.

Put an average joe in front of me. I can say things to him which would eviscerate completely his entire worldview and belief system. For this reason many people have and will hate me. I know that what most everyone believes about the world, our history, our future is a complete lie.

But people love their lies you know. Especially the ones they believe about themselves. I was not content to believe the lies either about the world around me or the lies I believed about myself. I've conquered many of my fears by challenging myself and aggressively pushing past barriers. I've realized that my approach to improving myself is not an approach that most people are comfortable ever admitting they need much less implementing.

For this reason I don't care about convincing anyone of a god damn thing. I just want to beat them over the head with some hard hitting real talk. I'm not trying to win friends and influence people like Carnegie. I'd prefer infamy over fame. Fuck it. That's what this world needs more of I think. More men gone hostile to the modern world..

How old are you?

Judging by what you're writing you have the emotional maturity of a 15 year old. You feel isolated because you're just too edgy and intelligent to get along with the delusional proles who make up the rest of society.

You are not better than anyone else. You're intelligent, but there are millions of people more intelligent than you in the world. You're clearly not a very likable person. You have no friends. You are not special. The world owes you nothing. Stop living as if you're entitled to happiness. When you act like a miserable wretch, no one will want to be around you.

Yes, the world is a fucked up place. You're hardly the first person to notice that. Get over it and grow up. You're not doing yourself or anyone else any favors by marinating in this constant bath of negativity and hatred. You've become consumed by pure narcissistic fury and its destroying your soul. You desperately need a new perspective to snap you out of this narcissistic rage spiral. You aren't going to find it by bitching about women and society on the internet. Go take action. It's your life and your responsibility as a man to take care of it.

If you actually want to feel better and not just continue to make edgelord posts on the internet, here's what you need to do:

1) Start studying the Bible
2) Practice positive self talk and cultivating a positive mental attitude
3) Volunteer with disadvantaged, elderly or disabled people in your community

Make no mistake, the anger you're carrying around is toxic. It will destroy your quality of life and eventually kill you outright if you don't do something about it (stress, heart attack, depression/suicide/substance abuse, etc...). You can let it destroy you or you can change. You decide.

Eh. You're making a litany of assumptions here buddy.

Where did I say or imply I was entitled to happiness? Is asking for advice entitlement?

I've read the Bible. I was a Christian once then I grew the fuck up. Practice what you preach on that growing up spiel. You are advising me to read a book which would convince that I need to become Jewish, accept their worldview and "chosen" status as true while laying to rest in a shallow grave, all the culture, history and wisdom of my own people.

Sorry shlomo. Not gonna happen.

BTW hatred is one of the best motivators. In fact your jewish god tells you to hate. Perhaps you need to read that book some more mr hypocrite.
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