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RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites
As someone making films and trying to get higher in the film industry (Europe, not Hollywood), I have to wonder... how fucked am I? I'm in a lucky position that I can get financing for my first feature film but after that? Will my film get any meaningful festival presence or distribution? What about my next film, will that get financing even though it's pretty red pilled?

Not feeling really confident about my chances in face of this assault from all sides.
05-03-2017 03:42 PM
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So what are the possibilities then of creating an alternative payment network from scratch?
This could be an interesting initiative not just for Roosh and ROK but for the rest of the entrepreneurs amongst the ranks here, you know, taking the gentleman's club idea to the next level?

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(05-03-2017 02:45 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Big picture wise, the Book of Revelation is getting to be more true everyday in regards to not being able to buy or sell without the Mark of the Beast. Today it is Paypal, but if VISA, Mastercard, AMEX, and others start going down this path of refusing services to customers for speech reasons, it will push many underground or into alternatives. Trump in office doesn't scare them, they are playing the long game, and 4 or 8 years is not a big deal to them. Once they get a government leader that will let them go wild, it's over. The end goal would be for them to make those alternative services illegal to use unless they follow the same rules. This is alot of the reason why they (the Fed and the US Govt) hate Bitcoin so much.

This is why I'm so staunchly opposed to ANY restriction of money or speech. Trying to ban something for moral reasons might seem like a good idea at first blush, but that approach will inevitably boomerang. Today we ban some extreme, deviant form of pornography - tomorrow they're coming after us.

It really boils down to two principles:

1. Enforce the laws that are on the books. Illegal immigrants are already illegal - a wall isn't actually necessary, just enforcement. Problematic speech is already illegal - we don't need to create "Hate Crimes" to punish those who advocate for violence. Financial fraud is already illegal, and furthermore it's usually the result of some other illegal activity which is going on; instead of mucking about in the manner described by Hypno, just do good police work.

2. Recognize that sites like Google and Facebook are Common Carriers. The phone company is allowed to make a profit as a private entity, but it doesn't have the right to refuse you service because of your politics. The same should hold true for major Internet companies, and financial institutions.

These are straightforward and simple strategies for moving forward, but even so I'm pessimistic about seeing them adopted. Aside from brief pockets of self-awareness (this board, members of the military, the occasional church) most people are utterly asleep; they're too deep within their own narcissistic dreamscape to see what's going on, and the only slogans which penetrate are the simplest, and the most worthless.

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(05-03-2017 03:43 PM)El_Gostro Wrote:  So what are the possibilities then of creating an alternative payment network from scratch?
This could be an interesting initiative not just for Roosh and ROK but for the rest of the entrepreneurs amongst the ranks here, you know, taking the gentleman's club idea to the next level?

We do absolutely need our own platforms, for everything. I'm no programmer so I don't know how to go about it but the system is realigning itself as we speak to prevent another Trump-like movement and to silence all dissident voices. I know initiatives like gab and voat don't have much activity right now but its important to have alternatives like this ready to go when the inevitable death blows come.
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If my earlier suggestion was too vanilla (Revolut) then how about AIRTM? https://www.airtm.io it's built on top of https://uphold.com which does bitcoin to $ seamlessly behind the scenes. On uphold you can store bitcoin as, anything, Yuan, Dollars, Gold, Silver, all backed by dollars.


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(05-03-2017 03:46 PM)Aurini Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 02:45 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Big picture wise, the Book of Revelation is getting to be more true everyday in regards to not being able to buy or sell without the Mark of the Beast. Today it is Paypal, but if VISA, Mastercard, AMEX, and others start going down this path of refusing services to customers for speech reasons, it will push many underground or into alternatives. Trump in office doesn't scare them, they are playing the long game, and 4 or 8 years is not a big deal to them. Once they get a government leader that will let them go wild, it's over. The end goal would be for them to make those alternative services illegal to use unless they follow the same rules. This is alot of the reason why they (the Fed and the US Govt) hate Bitcoin so much.

This is why I'm so staunchly opposed to ANY restriction of money or speech. Trying to ban something for moral reasons might seem like a good idea at first blush, but that approach will inevitably boomerang. Today we ban some extreme, deviant form of pornography - tomorrow they're coming after us.

It really boils down to two principles:

1. Enforce the laws that are on the books. Illegal immigrants are already illegal - a wall isn't actually necessary, just enforcement. Problematic speech is already illegal - we don't need to create "Hate Crimes" to punish those who advocate for violence. Financial fraud is already illegal, and furthermore it's usually the result of some other illegal activity which is going on; instead of mucking about in the manner described by Hypno, just do good police work.

2. Recognize that sites like Google and Facebook are Common Carriers. The phone company is allowed to make a profit as a private entity, but it doesn't have the right to refuse you service because of your politics. The same should hold true for major Internet companies, and financial institutions.

These are straightforward and simple strategies for moving forward, but even so I'm pessimistic about seeing them adopted. Aside from brief pockets of self-awareness (this board, members of the military, the occasional church) most people are utterly asleep; they're too deep within their own narcissistic dreamscape to see what's going on, and the only slogans which penetrate are the simplest, and the most worthless.

Obama's admin once threatened to make Google and several other tech companies like Facebook a type of utility, subject to government regulations, like cable companies, etc.

Once he got their attention, they started donating and cooperating with law enforcement alot more!

The lesson they learned was to participate with the overlords before they force them to and take away their ability to act like a private business that could refuse your business for any reason they felt like it, even though they are the only game in town and have virtual monopolies on things.

America is far more pro monopoly than ever before. You could make the case that it is about as bad or worse than years before the Sherman Act of 1890.

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I have to believe that these gobalist idiots are playing with fire in ways they don't understand.

Every time I see moves like this to squash emergent players like Roosh and their movements with these dirty tricks it makes me just a little more militant. It sends the message "we will never allow this to be settled with words and ideas". Well what's left then? Force. That is all.

And I know I'm not alone in this. If I'm feeling the squeeze at the ass end of the world then there's plenty of guys like me that are much closer to the flames and no doubt even more angry than I am.

But of course the line between observation and wishful thinking is always so blurry.

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what do folks know about Venmo?
05-04-2017 09:39 AM
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(05-04-2017 09:39 AM)Hypno Wrote:  what do folks know about Venmo?

It's owned by Paypal.

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It's not quite ready yet, but particl could be an option:

https://particl.io/

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Particl is an open source, decentralized privacy platform built for global person to person and business to person eCommerce. The native marketplace, currency tokens and suite of encrypted communication tools offer unfettered access between buyers and sellers worldwide or just down the street.

WHO IS GOING TO USE IT?

Particl will be an attractive option for anyone who buys or sells anything online.

HOW IS PARTICL DIFFERENT?

You can buy or sell anything, similar to eBay, Etsy or Amazon, except that all the transaction data, payments and conversations happen over a self-governed, distributed network instead of a central server. Think of it as going to a local market to buy something you need, from the person who is actually selling it, without a third person as an intermediary.

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I cant stand Paypal myself... Unfortunately its a necessary evil for me because I do business on eBay and everyone is just used to it. I don't want to alienate customers by switching a payment provider they arent comfortable with.

If I could get away with switching I would.

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For what it's worth, Roosh, I think that Roosh V Store looks way cooler than what you had earlier, PayPal or not.

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(05-03-2017 03:42 PM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  As someone making films and trying to get higher in the film industry (Europe, not Hollywood), I have to wonder... how fucked am I? I'm in a lucky position that I can get financing for my first feature film but after that? Will my film get any meaningful festival presence or distribution? What about my next film, will that get financing even though it's pretty red pilled?

Not feeling really confident about my chances in face of this assault from all sides.

If you got to that stage, and you need to ask that question on this forum, I feel it's fairly safe to say you have been marked, and you are being played.

If your film makes any money at all, it will all be taken away from you with an accountancy error.

You are playing in a world of sharks, yet you ask advice in a world full of minnows?

Good luck!

Seeing as you ask though, I would say you are pretty fucked.
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This is all getting blown out of all proportion.

Roosh just needs to release his next e-book masterpiece and charge 20 Dollars for it. It's just kicking the can down the road, but hey ho.

Sorry if you already thought of this method Roosh.

Shit needs to get real. But there will be a way to make it work.

This is just the first salvo.

If it can't be made to work, then the whole lot closes down, and the whole lot of us are truly fucked.

Don't need to tell you we all have a vested interest in this. Even if it is just spite to start with. It will be survival later on.

Spite is fun. Survival, not so much.

E-Books are good. Fuck the content. Just release one every quarter. Keep on doing what you do. Don't stress. Stress goes in to the website.

Apologies if you or someone else thought of this before.

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2Checkout has PayPal as an option and can be integrated within your website, so the design makes it such that you are not going to another 3rd party site to process the payment. People who buy from or who subscribe to donations would be more trusting of this. All customers are effectively using 2CO's merchant account and you're still again dependent on 2CO to not ban you, but there are other options like Stripe and Authorize.net.

While there is a clear crackdown and censorship of the sort of content that Roosh creates, it is surely nowhere near ban worthy in the majority of payment processors' policies. PayPal is just particularly bad in this respect; they even ban absolutely 100% squeaky clean businesses because of mere "suspicions of irregular activity" or whatever other crap they choose to come up with.

And while it is ideal to find a payment processor who would love to do business with Roosh, this is not always realistic. Unfortunately, unless you are a huge business generating millions and millions in processing fees, we are all subjects of the payment processors. Even if totally legit, one can only make backup plans and hope one does not get canned by the first choice, and adapt accordingly. I think that is sufficient for now. If the censorship becomes extreme, more extreme anti-fragile measures would be required. These are unfortunately quite costly e.g. while 2CO allows use of their merchant account, an independent merchant account direct with the card processing bank is a consideration. Hopefully by then more people are using and trusting Bitcoin which would solve a lot of these problems.
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(05-05-2017 08:00 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  For what it's worth, Roosh, I think that Roosh V Store looks way cooler than what you had earlier, PayPal or not.

That was the product of 11 days of hardcore labor. My existing store wasn't compatible with other payment processors so the cancellation lit a fire under my butt.

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(05-02-2017 02:52 PM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  I think this is part of a wider crackdown by PayPal against any business that people could possibly complain about. A lot of the larger web hosts are the same way; as soon as someone drops the dime on you for having objectionable content, they don't even evaluate the complaint's legitimacy. They just send you a boilerplate takedown notice, because they don't want to deal with the headaches involved in hosting a controversial site.

It seems that PayPal also stopped handling transactions for CareerExcuse, a site that helps people fired from their jobs find new jobs. They would give you a fake reference so that you could get your foot in the door at another company and move on with your life rather than sitting in the unemployment line forever.

Some might argue, this type of service helps people who were fired for legitimate reasons fraudulently obtain jobs they don't deserve. Actually, though, most people who use CareerExcuse are well-qualified. Normally, during the interview process, the hiring manager will shoot the shit with you about what you did at your previous jobs and what kind of work you want to do in the future. You won't be able to tell a convincing story in a relaxed way unless you actually did do some similar work as what your resume describes.

What CareerExcuse helps you with is that slight detail of why you left your previous job. This is a much-needed lifeline for those who got fired for some bullshit like sexual harassment. These days, applicants are supposed to have a spotless record with lengthy tenures at each company and smooth, logical transitions from one job to the next that don't involve terminations for cause. Yet, as Andy Rooney notes, "There's something wrong with anyone who's never been fired from a job."

CareerExcuse's explanation was, "We have cancelled our partnership with PayPal, and the reason is quite simple; our expansion as a company is growing at a rate that is too quick for PayPal." But bear in mind, CareerExcuse specializes in spinning negative events as positives, and giving fake reasons for why events transpired the way they did. They even do that with their customers; when they were taking awhile to set up my account, they gave a bunch of excuses about how they were in the process of moving. Overall, I can't complain too much, though, because I did land a fairly decent job with their help.

how does the reference company have a fake address or business listing with the government for background check snoopes? This doesn't sound it would work for supra-retail jobs??
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(05-02-2017 05:12 PM)Going strong Wrote:  Paypal does business with the criminal, extreme-Left organization, FEMEN, specializing in serial sexual indecent-exposure (and brewing violent anti-Russian racism): https://femenshop.com/

Scandalous that an organization (Femen) that's been convicted of aiding and abetting sexual-indecent-exposure, all over the world, be allowed to use (covertly though, they hide it from their homepage, you have to simulate buying a product) Paypal, don't you think?

FEMEN is bankrolled and run by eskimos. They remember living on the Pale and peasants spontaneously rioting every few decades after getting fleeced. It's the same battles. These middle easteners dont forget a feud...
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What online payment processor are you using now?
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(08-14-2017 03:51 AM)Tayo Wrote:  What online payment processor are you using now?

its better he doesnt say here, nothing good can come from it.
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(08-16-2017 05:50 PM)frenchcorporation Wrote:  
(08-14-2017 03:51 AM)Tayo Wrote:  What online payment processor are you using now?

its better he doesnt say here, nothing good can come from it.

Agreed, unless the company has an explicitly stated goal of protecting free speech, better to keep it quiet. These SJW mobs will never rest until you are broke and on the street as they beat you with a baseball bat.

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Heard there was a site called “Hatreon" that would be an alternative to Patreon?

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Hatreon just got banned from their hosting company today. The digital leftists are banning people left and right. The great summer purge is well underway.

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TL;DR

I was tempted to buy a ROK t-shirt buy I am afraid of being black listed from PayPal. I use them for everything from ebay to buying Pizza from Dominos. Am I safe to purchase from ROK or will they fuck me?
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You aren't buying anything illegal. I've never heard of PayPal closing yout account for buying something legal. They go after the seller. You should be fine.

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