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RE: Morbidly obese. Desperate for advice on where to start.
Post your progress and the steps you are taking here so we can keep you honest.
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Defintely get a calorie counter app for this and go into a deficit.
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RE: Morbidly obese. Desperate for advice on where to start.
I lost 80 pounds, and have since put 40 back, but at least I ran a half marathon yesterday.

You need, simply, exercise and discipline. Get a treadmill, or get the use of one. Start extremely small, like walk 1/4 mile, then run 1/4 mile, then walk 1/4 mile.
Get the heart rate up. Do this every damn day. Not much, but every day. Go a little further, or a little faster, every day. After a few months, you'll be burning over 1k calories doing 6 miles on a treadmill.

Eating. Look at every thing you eat. Eat healthy. Keep only healthy things at home. Eat less. This is an every minute of the day discipline thing.

Weight tracking. Get a dry erase board and a marker. Every morning, get up, pee, get on the scale, and write your weight down with the day. Every day you weigh less than the day before is you winning. You can lose a pound a day if you try.

Diet change, the treadmill, and tracking weight WILL show immediate results. I went on my diet 4 years ago. My board still says, in the corner, 7/18 300 lbs. I won't erase that one, although I have filled and erased the board many times since then. It said 257 this morning. My lowest was 218, I think. I stopped running, and starting eating more.

It is time to exert your will on part of the world. Stand up, adjust your balls, and get to work.
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RE: Morbidly obese. Desperate for advice on where to start.
I don't know alot about weight loss other than the standard eat healthy and excercise advice yoh have heard a million times already.

But I too have sufferred from depression, and as you said it seems the two are intertwined.

I would recommend finding time to meditate each day. As part of your meditation ritual, listen to some self help/life coaching videos on youtube, or wherever else self help/life coaching audio can be found. I'm not talking weight loss audio, but rather life goal orriented stuff.

After going through some shit, this channel helped me a ton, but the important thing is to find someone who speaks to you:

https://www.youtube.com/user/coachcoreywayne

In fact, I would recommend finding and listening to some self help audio before meditating. Gives you something to think about. I'm not religious, but if you are perhaps there are passages that speak to you. Getting over depression is incredibly hard, but it can be done. You have to make time every day for you. I hope this helps.
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RE: Morbidly obese. Desperate for advice on where to start.
The best solution is joining a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu academy. Most guys will be half your size or less so the risk of them injuring you is small, also has a humble newbie, nobody will push too much with you on the beggining. The cardio that you will do and the satisfaction of learning something new and also a form of self defence, should be enough to keep you motivated to show up in every practice. Also the guys at the gym normally are cool people to hang out and will pick your head if they see you falling out of line with the food you eat. Don't waste more time, your almost 40. It will be hard in the beggining but I bet that in as less as 3 months you will be happy with the results. Everyone will love you and respect you if you keep the discipline of showing up to the practice, also the insomnia problem will cease to exist since you will feel exhausted in the first months while your body gets hardened up.

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RE: Morbidly obese. Desperate for advice on where to start.
Not happy about the guy who posted the potato diet. Giving fad diets to people who are in serious need of help is lame behavior. Also, a Brazilian Ju Jitsu academy for a guy who's topped 300 pounds?

Anyway...

There's nothing wrong with coming to people for help. That's what we're here for.

A few thoughts that may or may not be helpful. I'm going to start with the assumption that you've been putting a good faith effort into diet and exercise, and you don't need somebody telling you "Diet and exercise harder!"

1.) You almost certainly have sleep apnea. Any time a guy is 300 lbs or more, he usually does. Do you have a lot of headaches, particularly in the morning? You've got insomnia, right? These are symptoms of sleep apnea, which is a huge cause of weight gain. Put simply, you're so fat that your body is choking itself to death while you sleep. You're constantly waking up and going back to sleep, sometimes 90 times an hour. Sleep apnea will fuck up anything but the most determined dieter because the lack of sleep ruins your body's ability to regulate hunger. A guy who's got bad sleep apnea can eat an entire pizza and feel HUNGRIER than when he started. Does that sound like you? You need to look into this, and fast, because it will fucking kill you eventually. This is the first thing I would check. The Japanese for it is 睡眠時無呼吸症候群 (suiminji mukokyuu shoukougun). Here's a list of sleep apnea clinics in Japan I just pulled off the net. You can look here. This problem is fixable, and it will improve your life in so many ways. America's medical community is much more advanced in this particular area than Japan, mostly because we've got more fat people, I think, but Japan does have resources for it. There's tons of them in Tokyo, and in every major city.

2.) The second issue is a lifestyle one. The big reason people lose weight when they go to Japan is not that the food is healthier, but because it's a walking based society as opposed to a car-based society. This means that just going about your day, you're burning far more calories and keeping your metabolism up. If you want to get food at a place that's a half-mile away, that's 30 minutes of walking there and back. If you need a special computer part from Akihabara, that can be 2 hours or more. Are you ordering demae all day when you should be going out? Doing takuhai instead of going to the store, buying something, and taking it back? Or are you maybe in the ass-end of Tottori or something where you have to drive a car to get anywhere?

3.) The third and most likely: you sound like you have major depression, and have been using alcohol and food to self-medicate. You mentioned being in your late 30s, not getting laid, and wanting an English-speaking therapist, which implies to me that you feel like you'd have trouble communicating your thoughts in Japanese. You also mentioned an alcohol addiction before that. This makes me think that you're just not adapting well to Japan. Some people do, and some people don't, and it's not due to lack of trying. It can be an incredibly isolating place. How is your social situation there? Do you get along with the people at work? Do you have a lot of friends? If not, would things improve at all if you tried coming back to the US? I know it's a big jump, but you sound like you're absolutely miserable, and things seem to be only going downhill. It might be time for drastic measures. Even if you've been here for a long time, could it really be worse?
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^^ can you breakdown or give any sustainable reason why BJJ is not recommendable for a 300 pounds guy?

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RE: Morbidly obese. Desperate for advice on where to start.
(05-07-2017 02:34 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Not happy about the guy who posted the potato diet.

You aren't happy because I posted about something that actually works for me and many others who have been in the same situation as OP? Sour grapes man. At his weight, hard exercise isn't the solution, and may even be counter-productive.

The potato hack isn't some fad. Body builders and movie actors have been doing the potato hack for a long time to get in shape. Until he loses 50 pounds, a daily walk of 30-60 minutes should be his goal, until he feels comfortable doing light weight lifting a couple days a week.
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(05-07-2017 09:43 AM)etwsake Wrote:  It's a lot to think about and a lot of really great advice. I've already done some of it and that's how I lost the weight the first time around. I just need to find that drive and discipline that I had before so I can do it again.

Never rely on drive and discipline. They only can take you so far.

Whilst certain diets and metabolic boosters can make an expert lose weight faster. I'd recommend strict low carb for a beginner as it doesn't make you hungry, I'd stay away from cheat days/meals as they can easily make you slip up.

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Every other approach in this thread is going to take you years.

If you do Rapid Fat Loss and you do it honest, you'll be able to drop 100 pounds in five months.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-48982.html

If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.
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(05-07-2017 03:31 PM)TheMost Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 02:34 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Not happy about the guy who posted the potato diet.

You aren't happy because I posted about something that actually works for me and many others who have been in the same situation as OP? Sour grapes man. At his weight, hard exercise isn't the solution, and may even be counter-productive.

The potato hack isn't some fad. Body builders and movie actors have been doing the potato hack for a long time to get in shape. Until he loses 50 pounds, a daily walk of 30-60 minutes should be his goal, until he feels comfortable doing light weight lifting a couple days a week.

Where did he suggest to OP to do hard exercise?

Reading his post he was asking if OP is or is not actually walking around daily like most of the people in that country do.

Weight lifting wouldn't kill the guy either, but that would only be if he wants to head there.


Quote:What Is The Potato Hack?


Here are the new Potato Hack guidelines courtesy of Vegetablepharm:

1. Plan on eating just potatoes for 3 to 5 days

2. Eat 2-5 pounds of potatoes each day

3. No other foods allowed (this includes butter, sour cream, cheese, and bacon bits!)

4. Salt, pepper, and vinegar allowed, but not encouraged

5. Drink when thirsty; coffee, tea, and water only

6. Heavy exercise is discouraged, light exercise and walking are encouraged

7. Take your normal medications, but dietary supplements will not be needed



Expected results from 3-5 days of the Potato Hack:

Fat loss of 3-5 pounds
Reduction in inflammation, joint pain
Reduction in digestive complaints
Increased insulin sensitivity, lower fasting blood glucose levels
Restoration of healthy intestinal bacteria
Continued weight loss upon resumption of normal diet
http://www.testshock.com/awesome-attract...tato-hack/

Even if this were to work as it says, it's a short term diet.

OP, from the best of my understanding, needs to get a few things in his life in order in order to fix his mental and physical states.
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OP,

To answer your question if it is too late. No. It is never too late to improve your life. Improving life is like growing. And if you stop growing you are dying.

Also, I applaud you for your humble post with no excuses. It was genuine and sincere. While, I don't wish a weight problem on anyone, I do wish all posters (especially new ones) would be as sincere. Which, is why I imagine you are receiving a huge amount of support.

First of all, give yourself credit for realizing something needs to change. Only when a person wants to change, can he change.

Second of all, you need to find the program that is right for you. You have been offered many different suggestions. It may take a little while to sort out what you are committed to doing. Doesn't matter if you get the most efficient and fastest way to lose weight, if you are not committed to doing it, it is useless. In the short term, I'd suggest walking and eating healthier. I didn't say massive caloric deficits or protein only. Just said, make some healthier choices while you figure it out.

Good luck OP. I am rooting for you.

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Everyone is being far too polite in this thread.

If I were a fat fuck like you, I'd do a 30 day water fast. Probably loose 50-60 pounds right there.

But since you'll undoubtedly not have the discipline for that, I'd advise intermittent fasting...16 hour daily fasts.

Break each fast with a salad that could feed a family of rabbits.

Only drink water, and black coffee/tea.

You'll be a slim jim in no time.
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(05-07-2017 10:33 AM)Hell_Is_Like_Newark Wrote:  Have a full blood panel done, checking hormones, vitamin levels (D especially), etc. I know of several people who had severe issues with weight and depression. Both cases turned out to be their thyroid glands weren't functioning properly. This was easily fixed with medication (which isn't expensive).

I had an issue with weight gain and depression as well (mild depression). I addressed the issue with a diet change and supplements. Down 30 lbs of fat so far (20 more to go).

A lot of people here will offer platitudes about self control, positive thinking, and the like.

But really, depression is a negative feedback loop caused by chemical imbalances. No, the solution isn't SSRIs or talking about your feelings. The solution is to find out what the imbalance really is.

Hell is like Newark has this 100%. Most likely you are severely deficient in key nutrients.

Get a blood panel done and see exactly where you stand, especially if you haven't been to a doctor in a long time or haven't had any blood tests done recently.

While you wait for your appointment, start dieting by eating whole clean foods, make an effort to walk everywhere, use the stairs (instead of an elevator). Stuff like that.
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I have a suggestion to approach the psychological element of what you're going through. You mentioned that you had already succeeded in the past at losing a good amount of weight, but you messed it up at some point in time and undid your progress.

You were doing so well, and then, starting with one moment of weakness, you turned around all of your progress. I'm going to propose a strategy that will help you get through these 'moments of weakness', and give you the strength that you need to persevere. It centers around reminding yourself WHY you are doing what you are doing, something to snap yourself out of the impulsive desires that can lead to relapses of your unhealthy habits.

It's quite simple: take out a sheet of paper and grab a pen. On this sheet of paper you are going to write out all of these things that you have mentioned in the OP and more: your disgust with your current appearance, how fucked up it is that you're out of breath after a flight of stairs, how it's affecting your sex life and so on.

And most important of all, write down how you will do whatever it takes so that you will never look like this again.

When you're writing all of this you should be pouring out every single emotion that you have bottled up inside of you into this, let it serve as a complete representation of your current mental state.

Now make sure that wherever you are, you always have a copy readily available. Maybe you might not even need it for a few months, but the first second that you feel a moment of weakness coming on you need to take out that piece of paper, sit yourself down, and read through everything that you wrote again, and remind yourself WHY you have made the choice to improve your life, and ask yourself if going on a binge is worth returning yourself to your own personal hell. This is why it it is so important to pour your heart and soul into writing this: when you are contemplating a relapse, it should return you to the feelings that you felt when you were writing it: the disgust and the sadness, but most important of all, an overwhelming commitment to never, ever have to feel this way about yourself, ever again. Once again I stress: the reason that relapses often occur is that in the moment of temptation, distracted by our cravings we forget the WHY of the changes that we have made to our lives.

If you can give yourself this very powerful affirmation of the choices that you have made to change your life, you will be able to get through the moments of weakness, and with time you will find it easier and easier to resist them, until you will never ever be able to forget why you have decided to make this change in your life.

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The potato diet does work (I tried it out for a few weeks), but to say that Penn Jillete lost 100 pounds with it is misleading at best. He lost like 10 pounds with it, then hired a team of dickheads to design him a healthy diet so he wouldn't have to count calories.

And yes it's a short term diet if you follow it to the letter. When I did it I took protein shakes because eating nothing but starches is a good way to burn up a lot of muscle tissue.

I also ripped ass like a fucking paper mill for about four days worth of the diet.

All in all, I give it about a 3/5. I lost about three pounds of fat in a week, but I craved meat like mad.

If I were going to design a "mindless" cheap diet, it would be something like :

Sunday : Fast all day
Tues : Potato Diet Day (with 80 grams protein shake)
Thurs : Potato Diet Day (with 80 grams protein shake)
Sat : Potato Diet Day (with 80 grams protein shake)

The other days you'd eat normally.
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(05-07-2017 04:11 PM)Kratomite Wrote:  Everyone is being far too polite in this thread.

If I were a fat fuck like you, I'd do a 30 day water fast. Probably loose 50-60 pounds right there.

But since you'll undoubtedly not have the discipline for that

I disagree. You don't hit a man when he is down. Sometimes, you a hit a guy to get him to rock bottom so he can start rebuilding. He seems to be at rock bottom and he seems quite genuine.

You could have just offered your advice without the extra scoop of tough Internet guy.

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You don't motivate people by mollycoddling them.

The guy already knows how to lose weight. He posted this for sympathy. I don't sympathize with gluttons addicts, etc..Its self inflicted. They hold the keys to their freedom, and they choose not to liberate themselves.
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OP of course posts this here for no-holds-barred advice from men he considers peers. So I'll give my slightly different take on this.
[legal disclaimer wankery: not doctor, this is just for entertainment, not advice, don't do any of it, whatever etc]

Firstly, he has stated that he is 39. He has also been on this forum for 3 years, perhaps lurked longer in the manosphere. This forum and the manosphere generally advocate will-power based body improvement in harsh terms. "Fat fucks should just put the fork down" kind of language.

No one can claim he hasn't been exposed to that advice in the most politeness-free and moderation-free terms. And in spite of being exposed to that, and taking actions motivated by that, he is still exploding in size. He has referred to himself as morbidly obese and says he's powerless to stop it (he probably means though "I have insufficient power to stop it").

Now I feel I have some qualification to comment on this in that I'm the exact opposite of OP, other end of the bell curve. For similar height I'm less than half his weight. Again, similar situation -- my efforts to fix my opposite problem (underweight) have been ongoing for about 10 years now, with little change. Force-feeding, medical meal replacement liquids, and so on.

There is a tendency in this space to overestimate the power of willpower and selectively forget the concept of the bell curve for things willpower can affect.

For this reason we've just heard all the same stuff: exercise more, eat less, change to different food types etc. Has he not heard that probably for more than a decade or two? Will it now work because it's in an RVF thread? This time it will be different?

The fact of the matter is simple: OP's willpower alone is insufficient to bring his body into line with his desires. And definitely not perpetually.

So I will not give an exercise or diet based recommendation, which is best aimed at people who aren't on the tails of the bell curve.

Look at this, OP:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anorectic

That's one big ass list of drugs that suppress appetite. All I get on my list ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orexigenic ) is a list of "Agents with orexigenic effects" i.e. that's not even their purpose, and the few ones that are targeted at it (such as grehlin mimetics) I've tried. Have you tried any of those from that list?

Taking any of that isn't even the "nuclear option", which for obesity is lap-band surgery.

Also, have you got a blood panel done? Thyroid hormones, testosterone etc.

You said it yourself OP. You need to do something drastic. So do it.
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I didn't post for sympathy, but I admit that I'm overwhelmed at the number of responses and private messages I've got already received in just a few hours after posting. It's incredible. I didn't know what kind of response I would get. I was afraid of post after post telling me "suck it up fattie" and stuff like that.

There are threads all over this site ridiculing fat people. I've posted in those threads. I've used those pictures as motivation in the past. I don't LIKE fat people. I never thought of myself as being one of those disgusting fat people. I still wasn't even thinking of myself as a fat person now, but I finally got snapped out of the denial. It's one thing to see yourself from the same angle in the bathroom mirror, but every now and I then I'll see my reflection from a store window from the side and think "Look at that fucking lardass....oh Christ, that's me."

Am I depressed? Hell yeah. But I'm not using that as an excuse to justify being fat. I have no excuse. I'm fat because for the better part of a year I sat on my ass and shoveled food into my face. I watched my weight creep up at a rate of 5-10 pounds a month and thought to myself "I can fix this...I'll start tomorrow." And I kept putting it off and now it's too late.

I appreciate all of your input. Honestly. There are so many good ideas in here. And while I don't think an all potato diet is right for me, I appreciate the poster taking the time to help me. Cause I see now that you guys want me to succeed.

It's the Monday after Golden Week here in Japan. I just weighed myself. 306.8 lbs.

I was actually pretty horrified to see that. It's higher than I thought it would be. But I've started this thread and you guys are being supportive, so I'll just be fully transparent. This is what I'm starting at. And I've had enough of looking and feeling like this, so now with my honor at stake and having put this out as a matter of public record, I won't let myself see a number that high again. From here on, it's only going down.
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Sign up for the gym, get a trainer/coach/whateverthefuck who has experience working with people with your problem and start there.

Approach in the mean time, but you kidding yourself if you don't get this problem fixed. It'll do more for your longevity, game, and self-image if you get yourself down to a healthy weight.

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RE: Morbidly obese. Desperate for advice on where to start.
There are quite a few threads out there:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-60618...pid1508709

Plenty of men compiled a lot.

I would recommend you to check out Red Pill health guru Mangan: http://roguehealthandfitness.com/

His tips are science based and effective.

I would personally recommend an orthomolecular nutrient regimen (takes care of lack of nutrients since that also makes the body hungry), letting go of caffeine (because it heavily impacts the sugar-intake), then a diet program best based on one meal per day (check out PD Mangan for that - is the best program).

In addition I would simply start with long walks - at that weight level you should not be running or jogging - only lifting and walking.

Also - regardless what guys are recommending to you - approaching girls will be incredibly demotivating or you will have to lower your standards so much, that it won't be worth the hustle. Better to have the goal ready. Check out for examples of men who have done similar transformations.

It is not too late yet in order to have a marked immense improvement on your life.

Vitamin C Megadosing: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74755.html
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RE: Morbidly obese. Desperate for advice on where to start.
Hey big guy,

Before you do any type of diet at all, you should probably go to the doctor and get the full workup. You could start on something and find out you got some disease and make it worse.

You are in Japan, and mention you need to find an English speaking therapist. Is that a good idea? Do you need to be in Japan? If you don't speak Japanese this just seems pretty difficult.

Also, I bet everyone there looks at you funny. That probably leads to some discomfort. Why don't you move to Omaha or st. Louis where there's many other people with your issues, and many more treatment options.

Aloha!
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RE: Morbidly obese. Desperate for advice on where to start.
There is tons of valuable advice here. More than enough to get started so how about we do that?

Frame: Every time you look at food, you should see energy. Not pleasure, energy. Keep reminding yourself that food is to fuel your day, not excite your taste buds. This is the most important mental shift you must make.

Actions;

1. Visit a doctor.
2. Write down everything you eat for a week and share it with us.
3. Pick one meal and commit to cooking for yourself every day for a week.

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RE: Morbidly obese. Desperate for advice on where to start.
Hi OP.

Considering your age, i would space out at least 2 years of slow consistent fat loss. I went from 240 pounds to 180 and it took me a year and a half.

https://m.soundcloud.com/dangerandplay/s...-nutrition

I started by walking. Treadmill and podcasts. Mike Cernovich was doing plenty of psychology podcasts then and it really helped me a lot. Build up from 30 minutes to 1 hour gradually.

Once you start gaining extra energy from the walking (building up stamina will take some time) then start weight training. Plenty of information on those here.

One more crucial thing though, i was supplementing on at least 1500mg glucosamine daily. All that walking will eventually take its toll on your knees. So try out different brands and products for yourself. Good thing is Japan does quality supplements, a base line of fish oil 4g and glucosamine 1500mg is definitely recommended.
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